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Mandalorian Armor => Female Armor => Topic started by: spartafett on Jan 05, 2016, 04:32 PM

Title: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: spartafett on Jan 05, 2016, 04:32 PM
Hello everyone! It's been some time since I've been on these forums. I've dabbled in working on my own kit for several years now--drawing and redrawing my designs, picking up components here and there, experimenting with templates--but never had the commitment or skills to really get moving.

I have several completed costumes under my belt so I'm feeling pretty good about my ability to actually do this now. And I'm just plain tired of putting this off!

But enough of me talking...here is my design:
(http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y350/Alexandra_Wincek/Mandalorian/image_zpsovbustuo.jpeg)

My color scheme will be a little deeper in the end, and this is kind of how I'm imagining my armor will turn out:
(http://img08.deviantart.net/12a4/i/2003/37/e/a/gold_bronze_brown.jpg)

I started out with working on my soft parts. The jumpsuit and vest are done now.
(http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y350/Alexandra_Wincek/Mandalorian/image_zpsdxhha5g8.jpeg)
(http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y350/Alexandra_Wincek/Mandalorian/image_zpsuqrptngl.jpeg)

The zipper on the front of the shirt will be covered by the scarf, but I'll probably make a little flap to cover it up just in case. The zipper on the back of the vest will be covered by armor and the cape. I still have to put snaps on the collar-neck-seal.

I did go ahead and start a soft parts WIP too:
http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=105384.0 (http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=105384.0)

I look forward to any critiques and suggestions! And I'm ridiculously excited I'm actually getting somewhere at last!
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: Kryamla Redalur on Jan 05, 2016, 10:30 PM
Awesome concept art! And your vest looks amazing! Looking forward to seeing more :)
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: Carid Vhett on Jan 05, 2016, 11:28 PM
Nice start vod.
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: Mav runi on Jan 05, 2016, 11:29 PM
First of all, i am so happy you finally started a thread, can't wait to see how it goes.

Second, i still can't get over your mad art skills XD

In case you weren't aware, there is going to be an armor party in the east valley next saturday. check the shonare vhekadla clan boards for details :)
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: Kavryn Falco on Jan 06, 2016, 01:56 PM
Love the concept drawing, and that's a nice vest ;D Although, you'll probably need to modify your gauntlet design - the App Team prefers gauntlets to be fully enclosed. ;) You'll also need to make sure that those zippers are hidden.

It looks to me like your chestplates are angled. Are you aware of Viradectis's chestplate design (http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=53595.0), and the template (http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=53595.msg755222#msg755222) that is available for it? It's what I use (and Jorikad uses it, too, and her armor looks an awful lot like yours).
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: Carid Vhett on Jan 06, 2016, 01:59 PM
Gauntlets like that are fine.
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: Kavryn Falco on Jan 06, 2016, 02:02 PM
Hm, I suppose so. Apologies, I misremembered.

Quote from: CRLs
Forearms must be fully covered by one of the following:

  • Full or half/bracer style hard shell gauntlets.
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: Orar Jaxx on Jan 06, 2016, 09:54 PM
Am I the only one who can't see the photos?
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: Kavryn Falco on Jan 06, 2016, 10:43 PM
They were there when I commented, but are no longer visible  :(
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: spartafett on Jan 06, 2016, 11:46 PM
Love the concept drawing, and that's a nice vest ;D Although, you'll probably need to modify your gauntlet design - the App Team prefers gauntlets to be fully enclosed. ;) You'll also need to make sure that those zippers are hidden.

It looks to me like your chestplates are angled. Are you aware of Viradectis's chestplate design (http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=53595.0), and the template (http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=53595.msg755222#msg755222) that is available for it? It's what I use (and Jorikad uses it, too, and her armor looks an awful lot like yours).

Thank you all! Yeah those zippers will be covered. Some of it I'm sort of making up as I go, but I'll make sure of it. I like those angled plates! I'm currently working on bending some plastic for my plates (not angled), so we'll see how that goes. If it doesn't work out I'll definitely check those templates out.

I don't think I'll be able to make the armor party next weekend unfortunately but I'll watch out for other upcoming ones. Thanks.

And thanks for the feedback!

I think I also finally figured out how I kept messing up posting the pictures.
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: spartafett on Jan 07, 2016, 01:07 AM
Quick question since I can't seem to make up my mind and have been agonizing about it...should I start up a separate thread for all my soft parts? Clearly there are a lot of non-armor components, and this section of the forums seems to be mostly dedicated to armor. I'm probably going to end up with a lot more posts about the soft parts, especially right now.
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: Kavryn Falco on Jan 07, 2016, 01:20 AM
Since you seem to be a capable seamstress, I say go for it ;D I didn't because "yup, tailored those legs, bought a flak vest" isn't interesting in the least, haha, but you've definitely got enough content to make a separate thread worthwhile.
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: spartafett on Jan 07, 2016, 01:49 AM
Thank you! Will do!
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: stifler on Jan 07, 2016, 01:55 AM
Nice concept!
Your kit remember armor of Jorikad, a mando'ade of Orar Galaar!

Sorry for my english, thank Google trad!
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: spartafett on Jan 07, 2016, 04:04 PM
Nice concept!
Your kit remember armor of Jorikad, a mando'ade of Orar Galaar!

Sorry for my english, thank Google trad!

Thank you. That's a nice kit she's got. The armor looks fantastic.
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: Myra Tiin on Jan 08, 2016, 04:04 AM
Gjsibfoahfizhgjd your concept drawing is awesome and your vest is rad ! Can't wait to see more of your build :D
Oya for desert mandos ! :D
And you can create a thread for your soft parts, but that's not an obligation.
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: Orar Jaxx on Jan 08, 2016, 10:59 AM
Now I can see the pics!  Looks awesome!
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: Laaran Dala on Jan 13, 2016, 04:20 PM
Your concept drawing is amazing and that vest is absolutely killer!  :o  Can't wait to see where you go from here!
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: spartafett on Jan 14, 2016, 03:07 PM
Thank you everyone! And now for some armor updates! I worked out paper patterns first, tested them on my dress form and on myself several times and thought I had them just about perfect. So I cut my templates out of my plastic and started heatforming them.

It wasn't working. I spent several hours slowly adjusting them, and getting them close, but not perfect. It was getting frustrating.

I got the idea that I didn't want darts in the armor and really preferred the idea of more subtle shaping. The pieces worked alright when I tried them just on me but sat really weird as soon as I put my vest on. They were also too wide, so they dug into my arms.

Here's what I learned: female armor is shaped very differently than male. This is obvious if you're busty, but I am very much not, so I didn't anticipate it. My pieces were cut very similarly to male pieces, which stuck out on my skinny frame. I didn't draft my templates properly.

To compare: the white piece is my first attempt, with all my crazy lines to help me keep track of everywhere it needed to curve. The black is my new and improved piece. I was impressed with how subtly and yet essentially different the angles were. That and the size.
(http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y350/Alexandra_Wincek/Mandalorian/D116CF16-60C8-433E-B4BE-104211179689_zpsiru0joby.jpg)

I also discovered that it's very important to do mock ups. I should've known that: I'm an artist, and am very well aware of how essential it is to do foundation work before jumping right into what you want to become the final product.

So I started over, copied the templates from here: http://www.mediafire.com/view/dbws61k7fwwl48c/Mercs-Female-ChestPlate-prototype.pdf

They were very nice because they helped me to understand the shapes for female armor. I altered these to give still more subtle shaping and extended them slightly.

Once I had my basic shapes worked out in paper, I made the templates again, this time out of pellon--a stiff, interfacing sort of fabric. Paper tends to only want to bend in one direction or another, but the pellon was better simulating how the plastic will actually bend (I think). More adjustments were made till those were sitting right.
(http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y350/Alexandra_Wincek/Mandalorian/47A71FEF-3534-4946-8E8E-F7A09934C01D_zpsgj34toql.jpg)

Then I made a full mockup out of craft foam. In theory, I'm ready to cut my plastic and it should work better this time. (I think.)

But since I don't want to screw it up again, I'm looking for some feedback!  :D

(http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y350/Alexandra_Wincek/Mandalorian/14B2CF82-6E3B-46B5-A6C8-BF16848463D5_zpsfxjnhhrz.jpg)

(http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y350/Alexandra_Wincek/Mandalorian/4D4C5E60-D0BB-42AC-B9F3-6E9E25E6474E_zpsxtysroum.jpg)

(http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y350/Alexandra_Wincek/Mandalorian/4A25B9C3-88AF-4295-8F96-8933004B9B4B_zps9x07t5zb.jpg)

(http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y350/Alexandra_Wincek/Mandalorian/BDF0FD93-964A-4A25-BA4B-C386EC0F5C3A_zpsw11r5cn2.jpg)

I did end up with a seam, but as they were coming together I came around to the idea and started to really like how it looked. It more closely reflects the look of the armor in my drawing--and since I'm pleased with how that looks I think I won't try deviating from it. :) The zippers are hidden by the armor and the scarf. It all sits well on me and doesn't dig in anywhere. But is there too much space between plates?

And the back.
(http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y350/Alexandra_Wincek/Mandalorian/DD9D8B68-F02C-4C67-891B-C45F06BAB423_zpsldiijutz.jpg)

I wasn't sure if the lower piece needed to be a bit wider or not. I will also have a cape that hangs something like this:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/4f/b7/8b/4fb78ba671083eef0735c03cfdf082c0.jpg)


Even if these aren't quite right, they have gone way better than any of my armor mockups have gone before, so I'm still thrilled by that!
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: Raestin Ke'Varek on Jan 14, 2016, 03:23 PM
First, let me say, you're concept art is stunning.  Seriously.  :o

Great job with the new mock-ups!!  Sizing and spacing look spot on, very cleanly done.  If you get your hard plates looking like the foam ones, you're gonna have some nice plates.   8)
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: Ram'or Kranak on Jan 14, 2016, 03:30 PM
I'm responding simply to keep track of how you do this.  I have two sets of female armor to do for my wide and daughter.  Honestly it scares me.  Great build so far!
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: spartafett on Jan 14, 2016, 03:57 PM
First, let me say, you're concept art is stunning.  Seriously.  :o

Great job with the new mock-ups!!  Sizing and spacing look spot on, very cleanly done.  If you get your hard plates looking like the foam ones, you're gonna have some nice plates.   8)

Yay! Thank you!

I'm responding simply to keep track of how you do this.  I have two sets of female armor to do for my wide and daughter.  Honestly it scares me.  Great build so far!

I'll try to keep up with posting detailed progress reports for you then. :)
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: Kavryn Falco on Jan 14, 2016, 04:35 PM
Nice work on those chestplates! And I hadn't seen those templates before - where did you find them?

I would make that backplate a little bit wider - even with a cape, the idea is still to create the illusion of having a full-coverage backplate. An inch or two wider couldn't hurt, I think ;)
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: 3mandos on Jan 14, 2016, 04:48 PM
Looks really cool. Great work.
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: Raestin Ke'Varek on Jan 14, 2016, 05:12 PM
I would make that backplate a little bit wider - even with a cape, the idea is still to create the illusion of having a full-coverage backplate. An inch or two wider couldn't hurt, I think ;)

Kavryn makes a good point about the backplate & cape.
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: Ram'or Kranak on Jan 14, 2016, 05:25 PM
Yay! Thank you!

I'll try to keep up with posting detailed progress reports for you then. :)

Thanks!  You don't know how much I would appreciate that.
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: spartafett on Jan 14, 2016, 08:12 PM
Nice work on those chestplates! And I hadn't seen those templates before - where did you find them?

I would make that backplate a little bit wider - even with a cape, the idea is still to create the illusion of having a full-coverage backplate. An inch or two wider couldn't hurt, I think ;)

It was in the female armor reference thread, in the chest armor section. Here's the link. http://www.mediafire.com/view/dbws61k7fwwl48c/Mercs-Female-ChestPlate-prototype.pdf

And thanks for the advice on the backplate
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: WhatATimeToBeAMando on Jan 16, 2016, 12:17 AM
Oh dear goodness gracious, I love this so much there's no words!  The concept is fantastic and all you've done with it so far is absolutely amazing!  Keep doing what you're doing and I can't wait to see it finished.
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: Mav runi on Jan 17, 2016, 04:23 PM
I should have jumped in sooner!

For my chestplates, i simply had a mando friend whom i trust to be a professional lol the plates were heated up, then while wearing my vest and a layer or 2 of tshirt and sorry for tmi, a bra that is push up/padded, then he formed them directly on me since he can see where they should sit.

He went back over it later with a heat gun to even out the top edges and make other slight adjustments.

The mock ups look fantastic! If you are using 3mm sintra, you might be able to get the shaping you want with the sectioned pieces you drafted, however it will be harder to achieve with 6mm.

I know it can be frustrating, but take your time and breathe. If you need a femmando to help out, let me know and i will see how my schedule looks.
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: spartafett on Jan 26, 2016, 01:58 AM
I should have jumped in sooner!

For my chestplates, i simply had a mando friend whom i trust to be a professional lol the plates were heated up, then while wearing my vest and a layer or 2 of tshirt and sorry for tmi, a bra that is push up/padded, then he formed them directly on me since he can see where they should sit.

He went back over it later with a heat gun to even out the top edges and make other slight adjustments.

Thank you for the advice! That's basically exactly what I tried here. With my first pieces it didn't occur to me to bend them directly on me for some reason--I was working on my dress mannequin, which is not shaped the same as me it turns out. I'm apparently smaller than it is. :/

Patience is paying off. I think I'm getting closer. I'm using six inch pvc pipe. It's nice and thick. I traced my templates around the pipe, using the curve of the pipe to my advantage. My first time around I didn't think to do that and I was trying to unbend the plastic and then reshape it in almost the opposite direction. For example, here are the first collar pieces.

(http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y350/Alexandra_Wincek/Mandalorian/AC56C0B9-4FE2-40B3-B173-4E37BE8B31EA_zps7njnmmxo.jpg)

I forgot to flip my template over, so I basically had two left collar pieces. I was trying to bend against the will of the pipe to get my right piece and it wouldn't go for it. It's all warped and uneven.

So I kept that in mind this time around and that helped a lot. I thought about what direction my deepest curve would sit on me and that's how I placed the template.

I put my top and vest on and softened the plastic real good with the heat gun, almost to the point that it was getting all flappy and rubbery, held it between two pot holders and then just held it in place right on me till it cooled down. My family found it terribly amusing to find me standing in the kitchen holding my chest.  :P

Here's a couple shots of how it is all fitting right now.

(http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y350/Alexandra_Wincek/Mandalorian/408E7818-29FA-47FD-98DB-389640930D38_zpso4wsksp1.jpg)
(http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y350/Alexandra_Wincek/Mandalorian/4F2B0AC5-9266-4EDB-9037-71FC911DA9E1_zpslej5x47w.jpg)
(http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y350/Alexandra_Wincek/Mandalorian/5b6713dd-e065-4001-ad03-d4fa07bb4476_zps256ykq4g.jpg)

I just got the seams on the chest plates fused with pvc cement, and I'm hoping to get a chance to fill them in, as time allows. I've never used bondo before, so that'll be a fun experiment. Apparently it needs hardener mixed in though? I have to go get that. Then I'll do some sanding! I also need to get the key area cleaned up--the edges aren't equal on each piece

I need to adjust collar piece, but I'm not sure how...it's too wide, so I'll trim the ends off a bit. It also digs into my collar bone, so I think I need to make it a little more narrow. I also don't like that I can't move in it comfortably, so I'm thinking of cutting it into three sections, about where my scribbly lines are. Would that be ok?

Overall, everything is fitting much better than my first attempt, so that's cool!

I added some width to the back plate, as suggested. Does this look better?
(http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y350/Alexandra_Wincek/Mandalorian/A19280D0-4943-477A-9928-630C8BF91DC9_zpsxc2bnsnh.jpg)

Eh, while I'm at it...I'm trying to figure out what to do for gauntlets. I didn't want the traditional weaponized gauntlets, so I'm trying to figure out something a little simpler. Are these too simple? The black will be leather, the yellow armor.  Leather strips will wrap keep the two pieces together. I think I'll have wraps like I made for my legs go under the gaunts, over the sleeves.
(http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y350/Alexandra_Wincek/Mandalorian/6EC3F97C-F477-41D9-9932-D5E9FBA58E4C_zps3dprow9u.jpg)
(http://i1028.photobucket.com/albums/y350/Alexandra_Wincek/Mandalorian/9952084F-7230-4EA2-B080-D2CEA9A27819_zpsrlpturot.jpg)

Thank you!
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: Carid Vhett on Jan 26, 2016, 02:25 AM
Simple gaunts. Just get two pieces of PVC, heat one so it wraps around your wrist most of the way, then glue the second piece flat on top to complete it. Like this.

(http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p541/EXALDEAR/gaunts.jpg) (http://s1155.photobucket.com/user/EXALDEAR/media/gaunts.jpg.html)

You just need a few pieces on the inside to make sure it has some support.
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: corriban on Jan 26, 2016, 09:19 PM
vod, it's looking really great! you're moving right along! Only thing I see is the ab needs to come up just a little bit. As for the collar plate, maybe take off a bit on the edges-- perhaps round them so they don't dig so much? Back plate looks awesome! So do the gaunts!

One thing to remember about bondo, as soon as you mix that hardener in you gotta work fast. And it typically comes with hardener, so you shouldn't have to buy it separately.

Get this http://www.homedepot.com/p/3M-Bondo-32-fl-oz-Lightweight-Body-Filler-PN0262/202077782
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: Evaar'la Kal on Jan 27, 2016, 12:01 PM
Great work on your kit so far!  Gauntlets won't be super hard to make since you want to go with a simple style, and I love the pattern you've made for them. 

If you want a simple one-piece-no-gluing-no-bondo design, here's a picture of what I did for mine.  They're basically each triangle shape that curves around my arm with the other two points overlapping each other at the back.  They stay on really well and because there's no glue or bondo on them they have a lot of flex, which is nice when sliding them on.

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s397/EvaarlaKal/image.jpg1_zpsux7kyclx.jpg)
Title: Re: spartafett's First Build WIP
Post by: GardenGeek on Feb 24, 2016, 10:41 AM
I had the same problem with my collar plate. After trimming the edges you have marked off, make sure you can move your arms forward. I'm in love with your kit so far- looks amazing vod :)