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Title: Mando Mow
Post by: Bast Qadesh on Jan 20, 2018, 06:24 PM
Also, MANDO FUTTS.

Bast Kadesh is a TOGORIAN Mandolorian which is the only feline anthro race that is currently canon by Disney's standards, unfortunately. Any other species have been legendized.

The first time I introduced the idea of an anthropomorphic Mando, it was....not received with too much excitement. In fact, I was non-chalantly told HOW to make one look realistic and NOT "Furry". Well, I got some news for you guys...

Gird your Cod Pieces everyone! This IS Happening! Regardless if you are afraid of a "Furry" or "Mascot" making you guys look bad. I'm sorry, this Murder-Death-Mow is NOT "Furry". She is a feral monster in need of a shot, kay?! Kay! Good talk!

(https://pics.me.me/look-atmyleg-look-atit-15835281.png)

It took me about a week to fully get this all fleshed out and ready to post. This Collage of artwork is copyrighted to ME, Bast Qadesh. Yes, I drew this, and I am freaking relieved she is done. I had a bit too much fun adding to the concept....to the point I thought it was too much., near the end. It's been a very long time since I have enjoyed myself that much while drawing. I took advantage of the inspiration to draw for myself.

I have fully accepted the likely-hood this project is going to take more than 8 months to construct...possibly. I don't know. I am used to building mascot costumes within a month or a bit more's time. It might actually only be more like three or four. I am working on a shistavanen sith, as well and that will probably take just as long. I'm not going to be able to troop for a while, LOL! *Goes in a corner and weeps* Addition to detail is curcial on this kit. I will not dissappoint. I was out of a lot of my saved money with the TDE with my first version of my sith. It was the most realistic mascot costume I had ever done, for me, but it still wasn't what TDE wanted. I am going to take it slow, this time and easy.

I may have exaggerated some of her features a bit, which is my personal style and interpretation on how I see my Mando, so just take that with a grain of salt. With some of the features on her person or costume design, they are supposed to be exaggerated and dynamic like that.

The SCARF is actually supposed to be THAT long. I plan on making it out of a durable fabric that can get caught, stepped on or even torn, if something happens. It will most likely drag the ground. I know I might need to have it above the ground, depending on the event, photoshoots, parades, etc. I really like dragging drapery that's too much.

The "HAIR" is supposed to be dreads...kay? Yeah, those are Dreads, because you try to draw "Dreads" and make them actually look like "Dreads" and we'll talk. It's not easy, LOL! My fellow mando friend teased me and said they look like "Feathers".  I was starting to get lazy near the end of this sheet. I wanted it to be completed, I was so excited.

The HELMET is going to be a bit "Non-Traditional" as she has a kitty "Schnoot" and the helmet needs to be modded for such. The mask is like that of a predator "Face Plate-Mask". It doesn't have a "Dome" and it is half of a Mandalorian helmet.

I am SO excited for this, and I have always admired the Mercs and the community. It is INSANELY active and supportive of itself and people are very enthused to see other people's costumes and kits. I know there can be a few bad apples in the mix, which is why I am back and I really don't care if people don't like it, this time, I will PROVE that this IS an ally you want in your brotherhood of adoption-family-ship.

I am well aware that this is probably going to leave some people skeptical, which is fine with me, in all honesty. Why? Because I don't flipping know what it's going to finish as, either, but I do know, it's going to be damned better than my first shistavanen sith I did. Smaller, more streamline, human sized, feminine accented with less padding, etc. I have figured out my mistakes on what I thought was "Realism" and I have made the detail even more strict and accurate to real-life animals, claws, and leg structure. As good as I can get as a hobbiest costume maker.

(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26239872_1768102389867243_4406893865798116122_n.jpg?oh=fa82133a1caba4859640c5fe99a2b324&oe=5ADB0FAD)
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Straka Zulu on Jan 20, 2018, 08:52 PM
Well, it is certainly interesting...  :o 8)

The head reminds me of the Shistavanen species, the wolfman from the Cantina Scene. Only thing is they don't have tails.
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Bast Qadesh on Jan 20, 2018, 08:58 PM
Well, it is certainly interesting...  :o 8)

The head reminds me of the Shistavanen species, the wolfman from the Cantina Scene. Only thing is they don't have tails.

Yeah, my "Cat"-style kind of took on a rather "Wolfish"-look. She's a Togorian, which are canon and the Canon aspect, it is never mentioned if they do or do not have tails, so I figured it was open for interpretation. If things are going to walk on the balls of their feet, they SHOULD have tails, scientifically. It is a balancing mechanism, It would only make sense.

My sith shistavanen was actually cleared that she could have a tail, because, in the movie, it is never shown if they do or not. Since the movie is the CANON and NOT the toys, the comics or the games or concept art, I was given artistic liberty. Since the focus of this group is the armor, I don't think anyone would really care if or if not she has a tail, but I completely understand your point on the accuracy of the franchise and that's why I love you guys!
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Straka Zulu on Jan 20, 2018, 09:02 PM
Since you've pulled it off before, give it a shot.  Hit up an App Team member, just to play it safe, though.   ;) ;D
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Bast Qadesh on Jan 20, 2018, 09:10 PM
Since you've pulled it off before, give it a shot.  Hit up an App Team member, just to play it safe, though.   ;) ;D

Sounds good to me! Thanks for the insight! :)
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Kris Jasra on Jan 22, 2018, 06:42 AM
Hit up an App Team member, just to play it safe, though.   ;) ;D

We have eyes everywhere...

Definitely keep us in the loop. Alien builds are not the easiest thing to do and you'll need to work with us through the process.

- Like a Wookiee build the fur will take the place of a flightsuit I am presuming?
- You will need a backplate as the draped fabric will not be heavy enough to cover that there is not one there. The other alternative is to switch the drapery for a heavier fabric cape.
- You will likely need to provide more images for the helmet as I believe it may still need to be a full helmet since this species does not have anything on the rear of the head (Twi'lek etc get to remove part of the back to allow the lekku space to exit, however the front must remain Mandalorian). Since this species will require a front adjustment for the muzzle and a slight raise of the dome on the sides for the ears the back should be kept as Mandalorian as it can.

Otherwise I'm not seeing anything that won't meet CRLs.
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Straka Zulu on Jan 22, 2018, 07:20 AM
We have eyes everywhere...

Which is why I keep saying for people to ask you guys.  ;) :laugh:
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Thrantusix on Jan 22, 2018, 09:53 AM
Meoooow! A Mando kitty I here? Lol
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Fenris Claddanna on Jan 22, 2018, 10:17 AM
Commenting to follow.

I like your concept art, and I'm really looking forward to see how this progresses. Building a Togorian Mando has been on my list of things to do forever, I've just never gotten past the initial concept, so I shall definitely be watching with great interest.
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Bast Qadesh on Jan 22, 2018, 04:13 PM
We have eyes everywhere...

Definitely keep us in the loop. Alien builds are not the easiest thing to do and you'll need to work with us through the process.

- Like a Wookiee build the fur will take the place of a flightsuit I am presuming?
- You will need a backplate as the draped fabric will not be heavy enough to cover that there is not one there. The other alternative is to switch the drapery for a heavier fabric cape.
- You will likely need to provide more images for the helmet as I believe it may still need to be a full helmet since this species does not have anything on the rear of the head (Twi'lek etc get to remove part of the back to allow the lekku space to exit, however the front must remain Mandalorian). Since this species will require a front adjustment for the muzzle and a slight raise of the dome on the sides for the ears the back should be kept as Mandalorian as it can.

Otherwise I'm not seeing anything that won't meet CRLs.

Sweet! I will inform one of my mando-dudes about what was recommended! You know, I do have something in mind to make the helmet a bit more "Mando" I had a backup plan just in case, LOL! So, let me sketch up a front, side, and maybe a 3/4 view for you guys to see. I can see it in my head, clear as day, right now.

Also, to clarify about the "Soft Parts" or the fuzzy bodysuit, Yes, it will be a fursuit, Besides the armor. You don't have to worry about anything human or odd showing through the armor that would give it away that I am human. It's pretty easy to hide all the underworks. All though, it's freaking hilariously terrifying how man "Layers" Of criss-crossing elastic straps, suspenders, shirt, underarmor, and whatnot the personal mascots have that you couldn't and wouldn't even concieve when they run around performing. I need to take a picture so people can see how flipping crazy it gets under the fur and the armor, sometimes. You human mandos think you have to put a lot on, hehehe, that's cute!

One more thing! On the backplate. Are you suuuuurrrre, I need one? I was told I wasn't because the scarf, however, A local mando has a "Trench Coat"-like setup to make him more "Cowboy-esque" with no armsleeves. He said he didn't need a back plate because you can never see his back anyways, but I do think a backplate makes sense, now, because the fabric I plan on using is probably going to be light and airy. Yes, it will be moving even if I walk a little fast.  if you press that, yes, I can always make a backplate, it's no big. I just wanted to make sure if I did need one, I would surely need one. I also have a backup drawn "Skeleton" of a backview of this character that I had been dying to use, but I left it unused to change anything. So, I can draw a new backview of Bast so you guys can see the backplate, this time and the helmet changes. How does that sound? :)
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Kris Jasra on Jan 22, 2018, 04:18 PM
The backplate is basically: you have to have a backplate which covers 2/3rds of the back from neck to girth belt.

Therefore if you wear a duster/cape which covers the back completely and is heavy enough to not shift around when moving then you can not wear the backplate because nobody will know it's not there. (If you wear a really tight duster then you may still need the backplate because it makes it obvious it isn't there)
If you have a cape that has a drapy bit at at the neck then you may need just the top section of the backplate to cover that bit, but can get away without the rest.
If you have a light drifty cape or one that is not as wide on the back then you'll still need the full plating underneath.
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Bast Qadesh on Jan 22, 2018, 04:26 PM
Meoooow! A Mando kitty I here? Lol

LOL! "Meow" is an understatment, lol! I am seriously wanting to get a voice enhancer, modify it with like one of those old MP3 player mother boards and have Puma snarls, growls, lion, tiger, whatever I could get my hands on, so when people walk by or want to stand next to me, I can spook them with a growl, LOL!
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Bast Qadesh on Jan 22, 2018, 04:50 PM
The backplate is basically: you have to have a backplate which covers 2/3rds of the back from neck to girth belt.

Therefore if you wear a duster/cape which covers the back completely and is heavy enough to not shift around when moving then you can not wear the backplate because nobody will know it's not there. (If you wear a really tight duster then you may still need the backplate because it makes it obvious it isn't there)
If you have a cape that has a drapy bit at at the neck then you may need just the top section of the backplate to cover that bit, but can get away without the rest.
If you have a light drifty cape or one that is not as wide on the back then you'll still need the full plating underneath.

By the concept art the scarf is pretty much a "Cape" within it'self, but I don't think as wide, yet, at the same time, if that makes sense? It's not a narrow realistic human proportioned cape it's more like "Anime"-styled, where it's ridonkulously voluminous and wide. Hopefully, that helps with visuals, lol. But, you are right, with what I have done in my research of custom dye lots and the fabrics that will give me the freaking unicorn colors on my kit reference sheet-Yaaaay(Never done this before, so like not really) The one I chose that won't choke me to death or make me overheat, because hot fuzzy costume, is pretty light-weight and majestic. Which is what I want, anyways. Yes, I will be needing a back plate, lol!

Actually, should I make the cape first and then I can see if I really need a backplate? It shouldn't be too hard to make one if it doesn't work out. I'm going to be tugging on your kama's every half a picture anyways so you can tell me if I'm doing it all right or not, lol!
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Havelock on Jan 22, 2018, 05:04 PM
Actually, should I make the cape first and then I can see if I really need a backplate? It shouldn't be too hard to make one if it doesn't work out. I'm going to be tugging on your kama's every half a picture anyways so you can tell me if I'm doing it all right or not, lol!

Sounds like a solid plan.

By the way, forum rules prohibit double-posting, or posting right after yourself, without someone else replying first.  If, after at least 24 hours, no one has replied, at that point you're welcome to reply to your last post.  If it's been less than a day, though, simply "Modify" your last post.  If you avoid double-posting, the moderators won't yell at you.   ;D
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Jan 22, 2018, 05:19 PM
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It shouldn't be too hard to make one if it doesn't work out

Just remember, backplates are a team sport! Hitting up an Armor party will save you a lot of time and fowl language.
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Bast Qadesh on Jan 22, 2018, 05:33 PM
Sounds like a solid plan.

By the way, forum rules prohibit double-posting, or posting right after yourself, without someone else replying first.  If, after at least 24 hours, no one has replied, at that point you're welcome to reply to your last post.  If it's been less than a day, though, simply "Modify" your last post.  If you avoid double-posting, the moderators won't yell at you.   ;D

Oopsie, Daisy! Sorries! Weird, I had been doing so well, hadn't I? Lol! I posted right after myself, because I wanted to answer the quote before I forgot what I was going to say. I try to do that because I have A LOT to say sometimes and if I wait too long to reply, I lose my whole structure of my paragraph or whatever it was. Thanks for the headsup, though:)
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Havelock on Jan 22, 2018, 05:33 PM
My pleasure.   :)
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Bast Qadesh on Jan 23, 2018, 12:57 AM
We have eyes everywhere...

Definitely keep us in the loop. Alien builds are not the easiest thing to do and you'll need to work with us through the process.

- Like a Wookiee build the fur will take the place of a flightsuit I am presuming?
- You will need a backplate as the draped fabric will not be heavy enough to cover that there is not one there. The other alternative is to switch the drapery for a heavier fabric cape.
- You will likely need to provide more images for the helmet as I believe it may still need to be a full helmet since this species does not have anything on the rear of the head (Twi'lek etc get to remove part of the back to allow the lekku space to exit, however the front must remain Mandalorian). Since this species will require a front adjustment for the muzzle and a slight raise of the dome on the sides for the ears the back should be kept as Mandalorian as it can.

Otherwise I'm not seeing anything that won't meet CRLs.

I did some research with a fellow mando and we found out that Togorian's were the first eager race to join the Mandalorians in the ancient times. However the more modern day Mandalorian Togorians in the comics do not seem to wear helmets at all, at least, from what we've seen. To save myself time and frustration, is it possible to get approved without a helmet? Is it just the armor you guys need? I am trying to come up with some creative ways to get the helmet the way I want it, but I would rather spend time on how the heck I'm going to make the head of the costume look alarmingly reallistic. A helmet would take even more time to construct just for approval. This kit is going to take me a while, anyway, but goodness, gracious, lol.

P.S. If this posts AFTER I have posted about two or three times, I was not doing it intentionally. I have posted twice since someone ELSE posted and my replies are....gone? They never did show up? I don't know what is going on or if they were deleted or something. So, if the website corrects itself, it was not my doing.

!!!EDIT!!! HEeeeyyyy! TWO pages, now! Well, then! Fixed the problem and deleted any double posts! Is the web forum supposed to be condensed to the middle of the screen with stuff on either side of it? Anyone else getting this weird stuff happening? This squishes peoples pictures, images and text and I cannot judge nor see the crafting people have put into their stuff because its distorted and skewed. I've tried to find settings on this site to see what is wrong, but ever since they updated it, it went weird like that. Highly annoying.
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Fenris Claddanna on Jan 23, 2018, 08:49 AM
Have you tried clearing your cache and deleting cookies? I think for most browsers, it's control + F5, or on a Mac, Command + F5.
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Kris Jasra on Jan 23, 2018, 09:33 AM
Unfortunately yes, a helmet is required even for alien builds. Was 50% of my Twi'lek construction time too.
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Bast Qadesh on Jan 24, 2018, 12:46 PM
Unfortunately yes, a helmet is required even for alien builds. Was 50% of my Twi'lek construction time too.

Oh, sweet baby jesus, lol! 50% ?! Yay...this is going to be fun, lol! Were there any problem areas you had with the construction of the helmet for the sake of the lekku? If I can get my reference sheet for the helmet and the back plate finished, you could, hopefully, identify, or point out, to be expected problem areas that I would not mind being prepared to struggle with.
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Kris Jasra on Jan 24, 2018, 05:42 PM
The main problem I had is that lekku fit onto everybodies heads differently, so I had to do helmet templating of the rear of my head in the mirror because that was the only way to ensure it was fitting me. You should have less issue as your head piece would more than likely be a full head so it could be put on a stand and worked on.
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Bast Qadesh on Jan 26, 2018, 12:55 AM
The main problem I had is that lekku fit onto everybodies heads differently, so I had to do helmet templating of the rear of my head in the mirror because that was the only way to ensure it was fitting me. You should have less issue as your head piece would more than likely be a full head so it could be put on a stand and worked on.

Awww, shucks! I'm glad it worked out, but it must have been a pain in the tucus!!  I agree, I have 22 inch head male mannies. I need to buy, at least, two more. I'm running out of room to put project creature costumes  on that aren't finished yet. I'll see if I can't make a base off of the foam-work of my creature head and then use it to basically round-up the measurement so it can fit around a furred mascot head and not just a foam base.

Here is what I have, so far, as far as the helmet design goes.


(https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/27369130_1773750629302419_8706044978252541817_o.jpg?oh=35aa953b6b6de5b3a2b80b055fa32910&oe=5AEBF1D4)

Vents! Vent the crap out of EVERYTHING, for the love of being alive and not dead from a heatstroke!

Is this all right as far as the proportions, go? The vents will be an easy to breath through "Mesh", but not  the kind you can easily see through. I really want to wear my helmet, even over the creature head. I have an idea to make it easy to come on and off and it has to do with magnets. The helmet will basically, still be a "Two Piece". A faceplate and then the back that houses the ear guards.

For the sake of my physical safety and my physical condition, so far this year, my mando will probably have a lot of hidden heat guider-outers to make her more bearable and more comfortable. been learning my lesson to try and install more vents in the creature costumes, themselves and even the armor. I have some ideas for some "Cool-looking" vents that could go in the leg gaurds where her "Thrusters" are. Those are probably going to be heat, expelled vents, in reality, but since nobody can intentionally see up at that angle, they look like thrusters.

Let me know if anything needs to be fixed.
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Kris Jasra on Jan 26, 2018, 07:18 AM
Yes. All the venting. Is a good plan.

I've adjusted your torso plating - added a full collar (necessary item) and shortened off the torso plates at the bottom - better comfort and for the ability to bend and giving  room for your waist items.

On the helmet I tried squaring off the visor a little - since you will not have a full T shape, (the mesh will be fine btw, not dying is good) keeping the horizontal part as in your face recognisably Mandalorian as possible will help. Same with adjusting the sides to have a small cheek indent and the more traditional earcap shaping (my drawing skills were not up to moving the side venting? forward a little to fit the new shape) Along with the traditional rear vents (mesh those as well) it should have as much Mandalorian influence as it can while also being alien fitting.
Obviously, your drawing skills are far superior to mine so I believe you'll be able to integrate those changes without it looking like my five year old finger painting additions :P
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4655/39008988595_b17bfa3819_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Jinthal on Jan 29, 2018, 08:27 PM
 :o you brave soul. lofty goals with heavily customized gear...i shall be watch with much interest. o.O
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Dha'werd on Jan 31, 2018, 06:26 PM
The concept looks amazing. I will definitely follow this process

Oya!!!

Regards
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Jango Nova on Feb 05, 2018, 10:36 AM
So on the concept of the helmet if you are going for the Modern era which by the plate design it looks like you are keep this in mind.

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Custom visor designs are allowed, however at least 1/3 of the total vertical T portion must be apparent. The Executioner helmet represents the bare minimum allowable area of visor exposure allowable. If changes are made to the Executioner helmet, they must not further obscure these elements.

Your design has no resemblance of a T and would have to at least meet the minimum requirements to pass muster on that.

Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: TalonKashyyk on Feb 05, 2018, 10:54 AM
This looks amazing!  And I love the colours - I'll keep a close eye on what's going on.
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Mojo Khuriso on Feb 05, 2018, 12:30 PM
This is looking like it's going to be an in credible build!!
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Yogi on Feb 05, 2018, 04:41 PM
Touching so I can follow the build per our conversation on facebook
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: GraTuaVerd on Feb 05, 2018, 04:58 PM
Hey! This is Jacob Summers from Facebook. Commenting here to keep track of this to keep you going.
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Dio Broxis on Feb 05, 2018, 07:41 PM
Hey there! Your Friendly Neighborhood Ruus dropping in here :) It looks like quite the ambitious build you got there! I like the idea,  but you will run into some issues during app here: the closest I can come to reference would be here on the wikia: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Alfreda_Goot, and its got only a little head hair and not much in the way of those ears... also, a full head helmet in the comic. As well,  reference (including miniatures) do not show that species with a tail, and the face shape in general is quite a bit different: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Togorian/Legends.    Gimmie a bit,  I'm looking for references for a more wolf-like species we may be able to use.

*EDIT*  Okay, I found a few References.  According to the artwork and the armor model you are using,  it looks like We have a couple options you could work with:
Shistavanen: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shistavanen/Legends : A bit more wolf;
Cathar: ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cathar_(species)  It let's you keep the hair, in a sense, but there is some face shape to be changed up a bit;
and something REALLY esoteric, you may be able to work with a Nalroni:  http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nalroni to keep the tail, and if you find some references,  anything else you can prove :)

Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: CLouvar on Feb 06, 2018, 06:55 AM
Hey i thought I'd comment here. This looks super ambitious and I can't wait to see it come to life. We have the first full-sized wookie here in Krayt clan. It may be useful to check out some of the things he did on his build, as for the bucket there is a man who specializes in designing custom mando buckets for 3d printing. His US vendor is here in Utah as well that's how we got a bucket to fit our wookie. He's also churrning out buckets to fit a couple twi'leks building here too and he's offered to make me a trandoshan. May be worth looking into
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: michaeljscully on Feb 06, 2018, 09:16 AM
Great concept! I'm looking forward to seeing where you're going with this.
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Omega on Feb 06, 2018, 05:52 PM
What are the acessoty pieces on the girth belt? They look like spoons. And I know I'm wrong
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: levi.peterson94 on Feb 06, 2018, 06:25 PM
ok i think im a believer now!! this kit looks like it will be fantastic, what clan will you be with?
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Bast Qadesh on Feb 07, 2018, 07:15 PM
Hey there! Your Friendly Neighborhood Ruus dropping in here :) It looks like quite the ambitious build you got there! I like the idea,  but you will run into some issues during app here: the closest I can come to reference would be here on the wikia: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Alfreda_Goot, and its got only a little head hair and not much in the way of those ears... also, a full head helmet in the comic. As well,  reference (including miniatures) do not show that species with a tail, and the face shape in general is quite a bit different: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Togorian/Legends.    Gimmie a bit,  I'm looking for references for a more wolf-like species we may be able to use.

*EDIT*  Okay, I found a few References.  According to the artwork and the armor model you are using,  it looks like We have a couple options you could work with:
Shistavanen: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shistavanen/Legends : A bit more wolf;
Cathar: ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cathar_(species)  It let's you keep the hair, in a sense, but there is some face shape to be changed up a bit;
and something REALLY esoteric, you may be able to work with a Nalroni:  http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nalroni to keep the tail, and if you find some references,  anything else you can prove :)

Just to clarify, with the limited amount of cocept art of the togorians, you specificaally want me to follow the concepts that DO exist, but, technically are no longer canon, correct? I wanted to know if you guys want to make me follow concept art that is Legendized, Have artistic freedom if not enough information is provided for certain features in the NEW CANON of said species or do, strictly, the canon version which has no current concept art?

Hopefully, that makes sense. I would prefer to keep her togorian, that was my original intent and itís hard for me to change that, lol. Either way, I have all ready made it clear I am happily geared to be advised by you guys so I will do what I can to make sure we are both on the same page for a fair building process! :)

Letís face it, what I am doing isnít exactly ďtypicalĒ, lol! We HAVE to work closely. The planning process, alone is going to be pain staking; but after my sith build with the TDE was denied even though I updated DAILY and had yes or no approvals from staff, I donít want to be out of the amount of money I spent for my costume to sit on a shelf, lol.

Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Feb 07, 2018, 08:31 PM
You've been really great and patient working with App team and Ruu's.  I think the only concern here is that it not drift into simply "Anthropomorphised Wolf"- Mando crossover land.  Also, around here, "legends" doesn't = imaginary.  Those references are still valid for our costuming work here, regardless of what Mother Mouse Ears says.  That said, I'll leave which features/appendages of your concept are approvable or not to those with more experience with alien mandos like Kris who's been super helpful in your WIP.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Havelock on Feb 07, 2018, 09:31 PM
The links Dio found for you were to give you some options on keeping the features you wanted - the feline aspects, plus the elongated fur for the hair, tail, etc.  We're just trying to help you find some Canon or Legends references that will satisfy you and keep you inside the pretty wide CRL sandbox.  That said, a good 70% of initial concepts - whether for a straight-up, nothing fancy human or for an obscure alien species - undergoes a bit of revision and re-imagining during both the design/concept phase, and when you start putting the actual kit together and seeing what works and what aspects that...well, not so much.

We'll be here with you every step of the way, and will happily work with you to ensure that your build satisfies both the CRLs and you.  One of the issues I'm running into is that all the official artwork I've seen of Togorians depicts them without tails.  Admittedly, it's been awhile since I've read those comics, and I don't own them any longer, but I'm still researching for a definitive answer on the tail question.  I'll keep you posted.
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Havelock on Feb 09, 2018, 01:52 PM
I was able to track down some images of Togorians from the Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic comics and from the Star Wars: Dark Times comics.  Oddly enough, both the Togorians are white, but Togorians definitely come in a variety of colors, according to the Han Solo Trilogy by AC Crispin who first introduced the species.

At any rate, I figured I'd include some of the artwork here to help guide your own concept.

(http://i.imgur.com/l0xH8ZU.png) (https://imgur.com/l0xH8ZU) (http://i.imgur.com/Bds8384.png) (https://imgur.com/Bds8384) (http://i.imgur.com/gKL6srM.png) (https://imgur.com/gKL6srM) (http://i.imgur.com/KPRIdsC.png) (https://imgur.com/KPRIdsC) (http://i.imgur.com/F2CufNp.png) (https://imgur.com/F2CufNp) (http://i.imgur.com/UGkMKzb.png) (https://imgur.com/UGkMKzb) (http://i.imgur.com/1bA0LO7.png) (https://imgur.com/1bA0LO7)

I'm really interested to see how you work out the lower legs and the four fingered hands.
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Bast Qadesh on Feb 09, 2018, 08:13 PM
You've been really great and patient working with App team and Ruu's.  I think the only concern here is that it not drift into simply "Anthropomorphised Wolf"- Mando crossover land.  Also, around here, "legends" doesn't = imaginary.  Those references are still valid for our costuming work here, regardless of what Mother Mouse Ears says.  That said, I'll leave which features/appendages of your concept are approvable or not to those with more experience with alien mandos like Kris who's been super helpful in your WIP.

Cheers!

Yes, and I appreciate that very much! Sounds good!

Hey i thought I'd comment here. This looks super ambitious and I can't wait to see it come to life. We have the first full-sized wookie here in Krayt clan. It may be useful to check out some of the things he did on his build, as for the bucket there is a man who specializes in designing custom mando buckets for 3d printing. His US vendor is here in Utah as well that's how we got a bucket to fit our wookie. He's also churrning out buckets to fit a couple twi'leks building here too and he's offered to make me a trandoshan. May be worth looking into

Thanks, Mandude, I'll keep that in mind! :D


They are my "Ammo Packs" it was just how I drew them to get the point across. I spent more time than I should have trying to get that perspective and anatomy on the feline, right so the clothing wasn't as paid attention too, as we know what that looks like more than say a physical creature on digigrade legs looking around, LOL. The detail on the "Ammo Packs" was an after thought, LOL!

The links Dio found for you were to give you some options on keeping the features you wanted - the feline aspects, plus the elongated fur for the hair, tail, etc.  We're just trying to help you find some Canon or Legends references that will satisfy you and keep you inside the pretty wide CRL sandbox.  That said, a good 70% of initial concepts - whether for a straight-up, nothing fancy human or for an obscure alien species - undergoes a bit of revision and re-imagining during both the design/concept phase, and when you start putting the actual kit together and seeing what works and what aspects that...well, not so much.

We'll be here with you every step of the way, and will happily work with you to ensure that your build satisfies both the CRLs and you.  One of the issues I'm running into is that all the official artwork I've seen of Togorians depicts them without tails.  Admittedly, it's been awhile since I've read those comics, and I don't own them any longer, but I'm still researching for a definitive answer on the tail question.  I'll keep you posted.

Awww, I find you tryin to close the "Tail-Case" Endearing, lol! If they officially have no concept that exists with one, I can deal, I do like tails on my creature costumes, because Digigrade legs cannot be scientifically balanced on well, unless a huuuge rudder tail is whipping the body on the tippy toes to and fro. Cats and dogs and anything has them. It wasn't a "Furry" thing, it was a legit Biologicial, anatomically-correct, sensible....thingymajig, lol! I think it all started when they had werewolves without tails. That bothered me because something that runs, lunges and whirls to kill things on tippy toes(Digigrade) cannot possibly balance that meat carcass and pivot without an equally thick or lengthy tail at such high-speeeds. Let alone a Togorian, with as big as they are and their strength and athleticism that exceeds that of a human by natural defaults. I digress, though, lol!

But seriously, if you cannot find a "tail" on one, don't sweat it, I won't press the issue anymore, you told me this IS star wars and if there's no tail, here, there's no tail and that's OK! :)

I was able to track down some images of Togorians from the Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic comics and from the Star Wars: Dark Times comics.  Oddly enough, both the Togorians are white, but Togorians definitely come in a variety of colors, according to the Han Solo Trilogy by AC Crispin who first introduced the species.

At any rate, I figured I'd include some of the artwork here to help guide your own concept.

(http://i.imgur.com/l0xH8ZU.png) (https://imgur.com/l0xH8ZU) (http://i.imgur.com/Bds8384.png) (https://imgur.com/Bds8384) (http://i.imgur.com/gKL6srM.png) (https://imgur.com/gKL6srM) (http://i.imgur.com/KPRIdsC.png) (https://imgur.com/KPRIdsC) (http://i.imgur.com/F2CufNp.png) (https://imgur.com/F2CufNp) (http://i.imgur.com/UGkMKzb.png) (https://imgur.com/UGkMKzb) (http://i.imgur.com/1bA0LO7.png) (https://imgur.com/1bA0LO7)

I'm really interested to see how you work out the lower legs and the four fingered hands.

OOOOoooo! So nice! Thank you so much, this helps, quite a bit! Oh, the digilegs will not be an issue. I know exactly how to make those work real nice. The four fingered paws are not an issue, either, I have a tauntaun costume that has four fingers. They are more "Cartoon/simple" but my middle and ring finger get smushed into one of the costume's "fingers", thus only leaving four to function, but you still have dexterity.

Now, this brings up another issue, because I don't have the budget, the knowledge, physical ability nor the skill, but I am not required to be on stilts, am I? I can give you guys that delightful "animal leg" look WITHOUT stilts. That's possible and it WILL look like I am standing on my toes like the togorian. I do not have the physical ability to stand or to man stilts, let alone the money. Also, to clarify, for the sake of this being adapted to a human form and leg structure, it won't be EXACTLY like the comic or concepts, but, that's where the more "Realism" comes into make it a physical creature in an Earth realm. Either way, you will get as close as I can to a realistic digileg :)

My "Dreads/mane" idea will work better than I anticipated with these guys. My girl will be Bwown. All Bwown. Because, easy to clean and I can probably get muddy in the rain and not worry about cleaning the mud until it dries and it flakes out. Had to do that with one of my first costumes. She was brown. Was the most amazing thing ever, because I thought I would have to do some serious cleaning. My first tauntaun is an off-white. So it's a pain in the tucus to clean her and everything about her.

Another thing, if I can find a realistic-enough short-pile fur and use more  "Long synthetic/extremely dulled out, ratted, and dirty" faux hair. You can mix the fake hair and make it look less sheeny if you do it with mulitiple shades of the fur color. There ARE realistically patterend faux furs out there. I think my best bet is to use short pile and to make anything "Long or flowy" with faux hair or proffessionally made movie-grade faux fur, which is used on movie creature costumes in commercials or films. Which is....kinda spensive, not going to lie. I would do the "Chewbacca" method, but I don't know anything about that and I've been working with faux fur for five years. I'll show you guys what can be done to fur to make it to someone that knows nothing about it (General public/Star Wars fans that don't costume) look like a real beast breathing and walking around. :)
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Havelock on Feb 09, 2018, 08:34 PM
The more you write about your concept, the more intrigued I get.  :)

You don't have to be on stilts for this.  And you definitely don't have to go the Chewbacca method for your fur.  Essentially, if your kit looks like it belongs on the set of a Star Wars movie, that's what we're looking for.  If you can achieve that with with faux fur and longer fur-looking extensions, then all well and good.  Heck, if you can take an old shag carpet and make it look realistic, then great.  I mean, Star Wars prop building and costuming is all about repurposing things, right?  If the end result looks great on camera, fits the CRLs, and looks "Swarzy," then awesome. 

You clearly have some experience as a costumer and that'll stand you in good stead in putting together a Mandalorian kit.  Just keep updating your WiP regularly and we'll be happy to work with you.  And if something is definitely not going to work, we'll let you know as soon as we can so that you don't spend time, effort, and money on something that's not going to pan out; instead, you'll be able to try a different tack.

And I was hoping that the artwork would help you not only with the concept, but with plans for the actual build itself.  I have quite a bit more, but those are pretty fair samples.  If you'd like me to send you more, drop me a PM and I'll shoot them over to you.

Happy building, vod, and I'll be watching this with a great deal of interest.
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Bast Qadesh on Feb 10, 2018, 05:29 PM
The more you write about your concept, the more intrigued I get.  :)

You don't have to be on stilts for this.  And you definitely don't have to go the Chewbacca method for your fur.  Essentially, if your kit looks like it belongs on the set of a Star Wars movie, that's what we're looking for.  If you can achieve that with with faux fur and longer fur-looking extensions, then all well and good.  Heck, if you can take an old shag carpet and make it look realistic, then great.  I mean, Star Wars prop building and costuming is all about repurposing things, right?  If the end result looks great on camera, fits the CRLs, and looks "Swarzy," then awesome. 

You clearly have some experience as a costumer and that'll stand you in good stead in putting together a Mandalorian kit.  Just keep updating your WiP regularly and we'll be happy to work with you.  And if something is definitely not going to work, we'll let you know as soon as we can so that you don't spend time, effort, and money on something that's not going to pan out; instead, you'll be able to try a different tack.

And I was hoping that the artwork would help you not only with the concept, but with plans for the actual build itself.  I have quite a bit more, but those are pretty fair samples.  If you'd like me to send you more, drop me a PM and I'll shoot them over to you.

Happy building, vod, and I'll be watching this with a great deal of interest.

Thank you and I will definitely look pm you for more photos! I will be spitting out more concepts of a more accurate togorian so just stay tuned it might take awhile lol :-)
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Ifis Skirata on Feb 11, 2018, 09:09 AM
i am HIGHLY intrigued by this, tbh i didnt even actuallty know this species existed in SW till this thread so yay for learning, im planning to do an alien build at some point myself but having never done anything like this before im sticking to plain jane human for my first kit, but i will be eagerly following this build with bated breath keep up the great work
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Bast Qadesh on Feb 23, 2018, 08:02 PM
You've been really great and patient working with App team and Ruu's.  I think the only concern here is that it not drift into simply "Anthropomorphised Wolf"- Mando crossover land.  Also, around here, "legends" doesn't = imaginary.  Those references are still valid for our costuming work here, regardless of what Mother Mouse Ears says.  That said, I'll leave which features/appendages of your concept are approvable or not to those with more experience with alien mandos like Kris who's been super helpful in your WIP.

Cheers!

This took about two days to get to this point on a basic level. Redesigning the anatomy of the Togorian to fit canonical proportions/fur color/ fur length/ etc. Then, comes the armor being placed on her. I want to do what I did before with my first concept and have multiple shots of her face. However, this time, the helmet will be on some of the shots. It will be easier to keep everything together, I think, at that point. I will update the other helmet concept I posted before with the correct helmet side, front, and 3 quarter view.

What has been changed is the amount of phalanges or "Fingers" the anthro humanoid possess and the number of toe phalanges (Toes). They have a human-creased palm and human toe-like toes with claws on them, all the same, with a digigrade anatomy attatched to them. A main accent of the togorians is the super loooong foot and shorter "Leg" anatomy. When this is brought into the physical realm the anatomy on the paper and in the comics will change and probably be a bit "Thicker" or "Meatier" because a human plantigrade leg has to be in pants and with shoes that create a "digigrade" leg effect with pillows and such. The head, the paws, and the legs/feet will be the hardest parts to really push on for this build, but I'm all four it.

I am going to test the waters for a type of "Mane" as the togorians do and CAN have a type of longer luxurious "Fur" on the back of their heads, going down their neck. With my original concept, I wanted it to be in the form of  dreads. Now, even typing this, I won't worry about the daggum thing, right now. I would make the costume too hot and it would be a pain in the buttius crackius to make all the dreads I wanted her to have. We are going to keep it basic, for now. As you can see, I don't "Basic and Simple" Very well, lol. I might be able to flare up the back of her head, with her own fur for "Fluff" or "Flowy". I like lots of fluff on creature costumes.

Anyways, is this acceptable? I can change anything you need on this, at anytime. :)

(https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/28058972_1801725713171577_9179459869062279266_n.jpg?oh=5a6b14de82d9bff8e96a0759bae28106&oe=5B0EF910)
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Havelock on Feb 27, 2018, 05:50 PM
Excellent.   ;D
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Bast Qadesh on Mar 19, 2018, 06:59 PM
Excellent.   ;D
(https://orig00.deviantart.net/0166/f/2018/078/1/f/bast_kadesh_update_by_grizzled_dog-dc6dnev.png)

!!!OPENING IMAGE IN NEW TAB WILL HELP WITH JUDGEMENT AND QUALITY!!!

Another belated update. Made her face more "Big- Cat'ish" as the first attempt wasn't referenced...at all, lol. I was just trying to one up myself from the last time. Is everything in order for the armor? there will probably be some additional views of this same pose without the draperies like the scarf so the app team guys can see the collar and such. Let me know if there is anything I need to change, will gladly alter whatever it is to your heart's content! After this is good to go, I'll get it off of my 10.1 inch tablet and onto my computer. So tired of this thing being tiny, but I started drawing her on it, so I kept it on there, lol.

With the thought of keeping things simple, I finally figured out what needed to go, after not working on this or a bit. So, the fancy blades and sharp thingies, you saw in the originally drawing are gone. I can always add those later. I have everything I need, I believe, as far as basic armor. She DOES have weapons and I'll draw those onto her wardrobe, accordingly. They are not guns, as she didn't seem the type to need one, currently. Also, with our local convention cracking down on how realism will irk the security, I don't want to mess with a rifle of sorts right at this time. :)
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Straka Zulu on Mar 19, 2018, 08:49 PM
Could always go for a melee specialist.  I could see this character wielding a
 staff or pair of blades.
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Bast Qadesh on Mar 20, 2018, 09:39 PM
Could always go for a melee specialist.  I could see this character wielding a
 staff or pair of blades.

She does have two electro whips she uses. Sh mods and makes original tech and sells it as togorian females are raises to so and she has modded both of them.

One is to cause a BUTT ton of pain an agony, but not break skin and the other she uses to break open skin or sever a limb, such as a head. It doesnít hurt as much, but it doesnít matter when your head is gone, lol.

She uses them one after the other to stop you amd then finish you off when you are

stunned. Shr also made their intensities
adjustable. To the point she can keep from breaking a solid surface or a body amd just do a little bit of damage as a pair or one over the other.

She can do acrobatics amd aerial combat with them thanks to leg thrusters, which i will add later after approval.
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Ordeyn on Mar 25, 2018, 04:29 AM
So, I just read through your whole concept thread to make sure I was up to speed on what other App Team Members and Ruus'alore have been saying. I'm looking at your most recent concept drawing in a new tab (as suggested ;) ) and the armor meets the basic requirements of the CRLs. You have all the chest armor, shoulder armor, knees, two waist items, a loin cloth, gauntlets, fur as the flightsuit, and a cape to cover the back.

Two things that I was thinking about:
1) The cloth around the neck can't replace a collar; the armor plate still needs to be underneath there.
2) I know that the helmet is going to be a challenge with the facial structure of the Togorian, and I can't really speak to how to design that right now (and if it was me building I wouldn't even know how to tackle it until I completed the actual Togorian head). However, I wanted to throw out there that you could just make a helmet that you wear without the Togorian face underneath at first, and then tackled the face and helmet later on after approval. This whole costume will still be freaking awesome with the whole body and a helmet.
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Mar 25, 2018, 12:00 PM
From what I've read from other alien builds and apps, if you're starting with the alien body, the helmet would still need to be large enough/shaped to appear to have the Togorian head underneath.  I remember this coming up on the Trandoshan Mando -- i.e. you don't have to have your Trandoshan mask on UNDER the helmet, but the helmet needs to look like it could accommodate a Trandoshan head since you have trandoshan hands and feet visible.
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Sorokhan on Mar 25, 2018, 08:14 PM
Just amazing ! need to see more
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Bast Qadesh on Mar 25, 2018, 08:31 PM
So, I just read through your whole concept thread to make sure I was up to speed on what other App Team Members and Ruus'alore have been saying. I'm looking at your most recent concept drawing in a new tab (as suggested ;) ) and the armor meets the basic requirements of the CRLs. You have all the chest armor, shoulder armor, knees, two waist items, a loin cloth, gauntlets, fur as the flightsuit, and a cape to cover the back.

Two things that I was thinking about:
1) The cloth around the neck can't replace a collar; the armor plate still needs to be underneath there.
2) I know that the helmet is going to be a challenge with the facial structure of the Togorian, and I can't really speak to how to design that right now (and if it was me building I wouldn't even know how to tackle it until I completed the actual Togorian head). However, I wanted to throw out there that you could just make a helmet that you wear without the Togorian face underneath at first, and then tackled the face and helmet later on after approval. This whole costume sill still be freaking awesome with the whole body and a helmet.

Thank you, App Team Mandude! Duley noted on those points and yes, she has a collar "plate" this concept just hides because you can't see through clothes, lol.
You are actually on the right track about completing the head, first. I always do the head first for my costumes, as it helps me figure out the sizing and look of the rest of the costume. I tried to start out with creature feet, THEN everything else and that actually was not a great come out. It could have been much more regulated if i would have done the head, first, lol.

From what I've read from other alien builds and apps, if you're starting with the alien body, the helmet would still need to be large enough/shaped to appear to have the Togorian head underneath.  I remember this coming up on the Trandoshan Mando -- i.e. you don't have to have your Trandoshan mask on UNDER the helmet, but the helmet needs to look like it could accommodate a Trandoshan head since you have trandoshan hands and feet visible.

Hey, that is kind of how it has to work out, actually, to be frank, so you are spot on! I planned on building the helmet over the finished head, anyways (There's no other way to make it have the head's personal shape! :)) and then I could wear both or one or the other. Would love to wear both at the same time, but I am trying to be practical and not too ambitious to achieve that, because, I don't want to actually die to death of heat stroke. When you death to death from heat stroke, your costume has to come off with scissors and stuff. I don't like that too much, lol! But, if I can make it light, which I think I am using the lightest armor there is,  this helmet should literally not weight too much and should fit comfortable with it on the head or not over it, I think.

Just amazing ! need to see more

Keep an eye out! In the next day or so I'll get her started over on the physical build forums! I already have the faux fur for the costume bought and all! :D
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: The Unknown Mando on Apr 12, 2018, 05:57 PM
Great looking pics vod, love stories on werewolves and dogmen ....so I'll be watching this from now on
Title: Re: Mando Mow
Post by: Slade Kel on Apr 12, 2018, 06:32 PM
I've always been a sucker for non-human mandos, so I'm interested to see how this comes out. The App folks seem to have the critiques and suggestions on the design well in hand, so I'll reserve comment until the build actually starts. The latest concept sketch looks excellent, so from there it's just art-to-life execution :D.