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Brigades => Legends => Canon/Legends => Mandalorian Protectors => Topic started by: Hondo Karr on Aug 18, 2010, 04:38 PM

Title: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 18, 2010, 04:38 PM
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k201/PJR_76/Armor/894955-mandalorian_protector_large.jpg)

Do you have, are working on or planning to build a Mandalorian Protector? If so, this is your spot!

What is a Mandalorian Protector?

The Mandalorian Protectors, also known as the Mando Cabure in Mando'a, were a branch of the Mandalorian Supercommandos and were formed during the Clone Wars.


Organization and philosophy
Much of their teachings came from the Supercommando Codex which contained many commandments that not only resurrected but modernized the ancient Canons of Honor. Thus, they highlighted the many tenents of the resol'nare which governed Mandalorian society.[1] Unlike the Mandalorians of old, who were crusaders facing various other races for honor, these Mandalorians simply protected the borders of the Mandalore Sector. They also were the closest thing the Mando'ade had to a police force and worked to protect the Mandalorian people as a whole. Despite this being the case, they were at times involved in operations if the fate of the galaxy was at stake.[2] Part of the reason of the group was to stem the mercenary style ways of the Mandalorian people who had often previously fought only for money. At the time of the Clone Wars, however, its members believed in the righteousness of their cause.[1]
In terms of tactics, their strategies varied during the different periods the Protectors were in operation. At the time of the Clone Wars, they served as elite shock troopers who made use of superior weaponry as well as training to decimate their foes. Furthermore, Spar's origin as a former clone trooper meant that he knew critical weaknesses within the clone army which allowed for devastating blitzkrieg style attacks. They also made use of battle droids to distract their foes while the Protectors themselves used jetpacks to outmaneuver their foes. In the post-Clone Wars era, many of the resources the group possessed were gone and thus they had to alter their combat strategy. This led to them becoming an insurgent movement that used their police training to wage a guerrilla campaign against their enemy. However, once they regained their freedom, they returned to the old tactics of heavy weaponry and battle tactics.[1]
The missions of the Protectors were often high profile and difficult targets that were incapable of being overwhelmed by simple brute force. As a result, the Protectors preferred the use of tactics, employing mind over matter. Due to there being only 212 members in the organization, the group often found itself very busy during the Clone Wars. In the post war period, they were simply involved in liberating their home world and conducted hit-and-run operations against their foes. Following that period, their mission profile simply involved the strict protection of the Mandalore Sector.[1]
The Mandalorian Protectors were heavily centered on rank, a practice that owed itself to their culture's long tradition of discipline and the values of respect. The lowest rank was that of a private, or verd'ika. The next rank was corporal (alor'uus). The sergeant or ruus'alor was followed by the lieutenant, or ver'alor. Above these ranks were the captain (alor'ad) and commander, which, in the Mando'a, was the al'verde. The ultimate authority over the Protectors was the Mandalore who served as commander-in-chief of the group.[1]

Mandalorian Protector’s tend to have a standardized look not typically seen in other Mandalorians or in times or relative peace. The Protector’s seem to organize primarily in the Modern Era and beyond and heed the call of the Mandalore to form up at times of war. We see Mandalorian Protectors in the Clone Wars Era under Fenn Shysa, Spar and later Boba Fett. We also see the look return in the Legacy Era under Mandalore Chernan Ordo.

The look of the Mandalorian Protector seems to signify a unified military force for  the Mandalorians, although that is speculation, as it seems to be most prominent during times of war in which the Mnadalroians are fighting on behalf of Mandalore rather than as Mercenaries. It could be a traditional harking to the day sof the Neo Crusader’s, rather than the more typical custom to the Mando’ad look seen during times when Mandalroians aren’t fighting as a unified army, which is more reminiscent of the Cursader Era Mandalorians.

Mandalorian Protector’s wear recognizable Super Commando or Legacy Era armor. The primary armor color is a variety of greens, generally in muted or natural tones, not bright or fluorescing tones. The helmet is typically 3 colored. Meaning the armor’s primary color (or a similar shade) along with a primary or possibly rank color over the T and headband and a auxiliary color, not always seen on the armor, on the cheeks and back of the helmet. Auxiliary armor pieces, such as shoulder plates, knee’s and gaunts tend to be in a color other than the base green of the armor.

Is this you? Or, is this your plan? If so, this is a great place to discuss it and show it off!
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ohl'd Vart on Aug 18, 2010, 04:42 PM
Well, my wiki claims me to be one, so I guess I need to be here..... ;)
Rob
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 18, 2010, 04:42 PM
I consider my armor to be Mandalorian Protector armor in design and color. Although I costume as a canon character, descriptions are vague at best and there islikely  no plausible chance it will be counteracted in the future.

Here I am...
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k201/PJR_76/Library%20Invasion%205-29-10/P1030744.jpg)

Also, my GF's son costumes as Kom'rk Skirata. His armor was recently repainted into a Protector scheme...
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k201/PJR_76/Armor/101_3060.jpg)

Who else has a Protector or is planning one? Show off your work here and let's chat them up!
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 18, 2010, 04:44 PM
Welcome aboard Vart although by your colors I would guess you're either former or in between deployments.

While all are welcome, I'd like to keep the primary direction of this to focus more on teh Mandalroian Protectors as most commonly seen in canon with a similar, traditional color palate  ;D
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ohl'd Vart on Aug 18, 2010, 04:47 PM
Welcome aboard Vart although by your colors I would guess you're either former or in between deployments.

While all are welcome, I'd like to keep the primary direction of this to focus more on teh Mandalroian Protectors as most commonly seen in canon with a similar, traditional color palate  ;D

Yeah, my backhistory is a "former" reference....we old guys have to retire some time, you know.

I'll be lurking and reading up here on what you MP guys are doing...one of these days, I'm gonna make a ref-specific set...for now, I'm just watching and learning.  ;)
Rob
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: TheMandoMan on Aug 18, 2010, 04:47 PM
I've been considering a second set of armor in the Protector style and color scheme.  I really like the way they look, plus if a kid calls me Boba, I'll at least look enough like Boba that it won't annoy me.   :P
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ohl'd Vart on Aug 18, 2010, 04:48 PM
...plus if a kid calls me Boba, I'll at least look enough like Boba that it won't annoy me.   :P

If I used that logic, I'd be costuming Darth Vader.... ;D :D
Rob
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 18, 2010, 04:50 PM
Ive alwasy loved the look of Boba Fett but, I don't want to be Boba Fett. As I got more and more into Mandalorians and read all the old stories of the Protectors and the newer literature on them, I found the direction I wanted to take my costume. It's still custom to me but, it fits into a unified army.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dar'manda on Aug 18, 2010, 04:55 PM
I might consider myself a remnant of the protector's, but my character didn't get his start until after Jango's death and the protectors sort of disbanded until Fenn defeated the Empire on Mandalore.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dar'manda on Aug 18, 2010, 04:59 PM
Nice basis... ! I love the look of these guys myself, so i've always toyed with trying to make one.

This is the only work I have so far, other than a recently dyed flightsuit:

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g155/JHart06/Mini-Mandos/Alon5.jpg)

Ohl'd, I didn't know the protectors offered a senior discount ;)

Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 18, 2010, 05:04 PM
I might consider myself a remnant of the protector's, but my character didn't get his start until after Jango's death and the protectors sort of disbanded until Fenn defeated the Empire on Mandalore.

Well, you're kinda rolling Jaster and Jango's True Mandalorians and the Protectors together. Although teh True Mando's were intially seen in silver with trim colors and later seen with colors similar to teh Protector's, under Jango, they are seperate groups and should be treated as such.

So, long and short of it, Lucas McCoy would fit in.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Jare Hasan on Aug 18, 2010, 05:19 PM
My character is the Journeyman Protector of his sector of Concord Dawn.  Red girth belt and everything.

I'm currently working on a kit upgrade that will follow Ca'tal's color scheme very closely.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 18, 2010, 05:52 PM
Very cool , although, Journeyman Protectors and Mandalorian Protector's are not the same thing... generally. Most canon sources have them as seperate outfits whereas many fan interpretations such as wookieepedia.com kinda merge them together.

Regardless, I look forward to seeing your MP!
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dar'manda on Aug 18, 2010, 05:58 PM
I was under the impression that they were one in the same. Please enlighten me as to the difference if you don't mind A'den?

I gotta say i'm intrigued as well... Jango's dad in Open Seasons said he was a Journeyman, I thought, but he was on Concord Dawn and out of Armor, so I could see some basis, but I am curious. I'm assuming the crossover happens because of mid rank protectors being named Journeyman?
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 18, 2010, 06:06 PM
I gotta say i'm intrigued as well... Jango's dad in Open Seasons said he was a Journeyman, I thought, but he was on Concord Dawn and out of Armor, so I could see some basis, but I am curious. I'm assuming the crossover happens because of mid rank protectors being named Journeyman?

No, the midranked aren't called Journeyman. The first post shows the rank break down of the Protectors although there is no correlation of color to rank. It can somewhat be sifted from canon sources but, even those seem different at times.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 18, 2010, 06:48 PM
Alrighty, I deleted the original post as it kind of confused me. Between the plethora of Mandalorian lore and my screening “hopping” on my as I typed it confuddled me. So, I’m rewriting it in Word and reposting it, hopefully to better clarify things!

First, we’ll look at the True Mandalorians. They were seen Pre-Clone Wars originally under Jaster Mereel. They are not Mandalorian Protectors rather a precursor group. Originally seen, they wore silver or unpainted armor with color accents to denote rank. It would seem that red was the color of the leader or leaders, blue being the next highest rank and yellow being the lowest rank. Later in Jaster’s life and into Jango’s reign, we start to see the green appear on the armor in lieu of the silver, although the silver is still present, especially among the leader cast. The rank colors stayed the same.

Now, onto the Journeyman Protectors and Mandalorian Protectors…

Journeyman Protectors are the "Law" on Concord Dawn. They are essentially like the planets Marshalls. Jango's biological father was a Journeyman Protector. It's unknown if they wore armor as none have been seen in armor, at least that Im aware of. The only identifying mark known to be for the Journeyman Protector's to date is the red girthbelt. If you notice, neither Jaster Mereel nor Jango Fett wore the red girthbelt. Jango did wear a brown bolo belt of similar design but not the same thing. The red girthbelt is the associated piece to Journeyman Protectors. There are canon sources that state Jaster was Concord Dawns JP prior to Jango's father, some of that can be canon ambiguity relating the creation of Jaster and one of Boba's possible backstories. I cant say for certain if Jaster was or wasn't. However, we do know Jango's biological father was and Jango was not. The last corrected backstory for Boba had him serving as a JP for a time early in his life post Clone Wars.

Mandalorian Protectors were supercommando's originally formed during the Clone Wars. They are essentially the standing army of the Mandalorian sector of space and follow the Resol'nare as laid out by Jaster Mereel. The tie in factor here is the armor color, the green base color on all of them. Outside of the old Marvel Comics 80's stories there isnt a whole lot on the Protectors. Mostly alot of speculation, kinda the same as with the Journeyman Protectors. The JP's were isolated to one planet in the sector while the MP's were the entire sectors military.

Now, speculation only, based upon modern era sources, it seems that when the Mandalorians unite under the Mandalore as a united military front, they seem to repaint their armor into the colors of the protectors. There is source material for this from the 80's Marvel Comics which included the Clone Wars Era and the Rise of the Empire Era's. Newer dark Horse comics show it again during the Legacy Era under Mandalore Chernan Ordo and there is a story set during the Vong War where Boba and a group of Protectors, essentially all duplicates of him, battle Han Solo as a test for combat against the Vong. It's unclear from source material if the Mandalorians all wore the Protectors greens during the VongWar or not. But, in the one story from the era where we have a visual reference, they do.

Also, by the time of Vong War, Boba had renamed the MP's to the Ori'ramikad. Most written chronicles by the Legacy of the Force Era have his Ori'ramikd wearing their own look. Although the colors of the MP's are still prominantly seen on Mandalore.

Now, during the height of the Mandalorian Protector’s, our best references are Boba Fett, Spar, Fenn Shysa and Tobi Daala. All were Leader cast and wore the green’s with red trim on the helmet and a variety of green’s blues, reds and yellows on the armor accenting the primary greens. Jodo Kast’s armor is Mandalorian Protector from a series of speculated sources. It was somehow scavenged. It may have belonged to an unknown MO or it could have been an extra set of Boba Fett’s. The primary base color was green with all yellow accents. It’s rather unclear if there was a color coordinated to rank system as we only see leader cast wearing red and Jodo Kast in yellow or unknown rank or origin.

By the Legacy Era, under Chernan Ordo, the Mandalorians are back in their Protector greens. From the artwork, Chernan Ordo, the Mandalore, is wearing a new mask of the Mandalore, the kreb’es, for a helmet. The mask seems to be forged to the helmet like Canderous Ordo’s was. SPECULATION… same surname, possibly related, possibly the same helmet/mask or a modification of it. Perhaps a whole new mask for the Mandalore. Anyway, in addition to the masked helmet that Chernan Ordo wears, he’s wearing blue and yellow accents on his armor. His shoulders are blue his gaunts are yellow. Hondo Karr is seen in his Protector get up as well. He seems to be a lesser leader cast and has yellow and violet accents on his armor. Yellow helmet trim, gaunts and knee’s, violet bicep armor. There are some other’s pictured and not named. Most seem to have some combo of yellow and blue on their armor. Vevec is another named Mandalorian with the green base. All of his accents are violet… helmet trim, gaunts, and biceps armor. Now to further confuddle thing, Yaga Auchs seems to be of a leader cast, lesser than the Mandalore but higher than Karr. He’s wearing armor that is possibly a brown or antiqued gold/bronze/copper in color. His shoulders and gaunts are green. He’s seen killing one of his subordinates wearing the same armor but with yellow helmet trim. Auchs isn’t seen in helmet so there’s really no way to know what , if any color markings their were on his helmet.

From the whole “history” of the MP’s, I wouldn’t be too caught up on color denoting rank. It could mean anything from rank to unit affiliation, clan affiliation, personal preference etc.

The key for the MP’s is the green base color, auxiliary color(s) are personal preferance as well as shade of green. However, it would be most accurate to avoid very bright greens. Greens of the olive, drab, sage, moss etc seem to be the best color matches.

I know that was a lot more than asked but hopefully it helps to clear some things up!
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dar'manda on Aug 18, 2010, 06:53 PM
Perfectly what I was looking for, actually.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kebii'tra Verda on Aug 18, 2010, 07:06 PM
I've thought about it and I may start one as a second kit. Money being the main object, so we'll see. ;)

David.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Jare Hasan on Aug 18, 2010, 07:27 PM
So quick question...where does Boba's Panzer Grey ESB kit fit in?  OR are we considering only ROTJ, comics, and SE the Protector kit?
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 18, 2010, 07:36 PM
ESB was green.  In fact, the SE Fett is essentially just the ROTJ armor with the ESB helmet and flightsuit. There are a couple other VERY minor differences but nothing significant.

There was a PrePro version that had a more grey helmet with the green plates but, that never made canon.

Here's the TDH Wiki article and links for Boba Fett's costumes...

http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/wiki/Boba_Fett
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kebii'tra Verda on Aug 18, 2010, 07:41 PM
Just out of curiosity, will you (if you are able) be adding scans of the armor you mentioned to help potential builds fall within proposed CRLs?

David.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kebiin Galaar on Aug 18, 2010, 07:41 PM
After reading everything you wrote A'den I think this is what I was looking for since the beginning. Very cool.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Mandalore the Uniter on Aug 18, 2010, 07:43 PM
So quick question...where does Boba's Panzer Grey ESB kit fit in?  OR are we considering only ROTJ, comics, and SE the Protector kit?

The only real gray on the ESB is on the helmet and a small amount around scratches on the armor.  It's not really enough to be a definitive color change that would not classify that specific set as MP colored.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 18, 2010, 07:45 PM
Just out of curiosity, will you (if you are able) be adding scans of the armor you mentioned to help potential builds fall within proposed CRLs?

David.

You mean pix of different Protector looks? I suppose I can get around to doing that. LOL. However, there really is no propsed CRL for Protector's. it's merely a different coloring/costuming option for perspective and existing members.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kebii'tra Verda on Aug 18, 2010, 07:48 PM
Cool! Thanks! It would be good to have a goal to shoot towards.

David.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Cdr. Ch'ren Jud'se on Aug 18, 2010, 08:10 PM
i was thinking about eaither reapinting my kit, or doing a second kit. I am not sure what i would do...
Anywayz, i was thinking befoer you even posted this that i might make a protector, and so i was wondering if these colors are already taken by any canon guy/gal...
Green, then secondary Orange, with small areas of black.....
Also, would a tan flight suit, and brownish red vest be fine for the protector look?
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ohl'd Vart on Aug 18, 2010, 08:34 PM
You mean pix of different Protector looks? I suppose I can get around to doing that. LOL. However, there really is no propsed CRL for Protector's. it's merely a different coloring/costuming option for perspective and existing members.

Canon pic refs would be nice....as soon as you can find the time, bro!  ;)
Rob
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dar'manda on Aug 18, 2010, 08:35 PM
I'm more than happy to do some leg work on finding pics. I may not know the whole article, but it;d save some leg work on poor A'den. A lot of the 'canon' refs are from the Marvel Comics though.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ohl'd Vart on Aug 18, 2010, 08:37 PM
I'm more than happy to do some leg work on finding pics. I may not know the whole article, but it;d save some leg work on poor A'den. A lot of the 'canon' refs are from the Marvel Comics though.

I've got a huge digital SW comic collection, but I don't know exactly what issues would feature the MP's...if anyone knows, I'll be glad to search my collection and see what I have.... ;)
Rob
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dar'manda on Aug 18, 2010, 08:42 PM
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mandalorian_Protector

At the bottom there is an 'Appearances' field... Try and find some of those mayhaps?
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ohl'd Vart on Aug 18, 2010, 09:06 PM
I have my mission....lemme see what I can dig up by tomorrow.... ;)
Rob
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ohl'd Vart on Aug 18, 2010, 09:15 PM
Obvious ones from wiki sources....more to follow.... ;)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/ghostsoldier/Star%20Wars/MANDALORIAN%20PROTECTORS/Mandaloriansclonewars.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/ghostsoldier/Star%20Wars/MANDALORIAN%20PROTECTORS/Mandalorians_led_by_Boba_Fett.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/ghostsoldier/Star%20Wars/MANDALORIAN%20PROTECTORS/MandalorianProtectors-GAW.jpg)

Rob
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kebii'tra Verda on Aug 18, 2010, 10:02 PM
I have the comic that the first pic comes from. It came with a Fenn Shysa/Dengar combo figure pack.

David.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Peregrinus on Aug 18, 2010, 10:03 PM
I differ in my interpretation of the data, A'den, but I'm doing Fenn Shysa and an Apprentice Protector (yellow visor trim) version for my custom v1. A goodly portion of those will be interchangable between the two. I'm making my Protector-Kyr as a placeholder until I can get going on my helmets in metal and finish Shysa and my v2 Kyr. Everything that won't be switchable over to Fenn is sintra and interchangable accessories. :)

--Jonah
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 18, 2010, 10:14 PM
Most of the images we'll get will be the same or from the same sources. There will be some variation by artist, issue Marvel Vs. Darkhorse etc. The main thing is the base color of the armor is green, not a brite green either. As far as flightsuits in artwork, movie stills, toys etc., you'll see light gray, dark gray, charcoal gray, an almost blue hued gray, black, tan and green. But honestly, for teh sake of Protectors as recognized by the club, the green base with accent colors is probably the most significant issue.

Here are some pix.,..

(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k201/PJR_76/Armor/event_botajef_legacy_1.jpg)
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k201/PJR_76/Armor/tech_armure_hondokarr_01.jpg)
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k201/PJR_76/Armor/perso_vevec_1.jpg)
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k201/PJR_76/Armor/perso_vevec.jpg)
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k201/PJR_76/Armor/perso_ordo_chernan.jpg)
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k201/PJR_76/Armor/event_botajef_legacy_2.jpg)
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k201/PJR_76/Armor/event_botajef_legacy.jpg)
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k201/PJR_76/Armor/894955-mandalorian_protector_large-1.jpg)
](http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab263/WOLFE_775/STAR%20WARS/tdh_group.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii258/ObiWanBRENTobi1/Jodo.jpg)
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj166/rev920/kast.jpg)
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q132/JodouKast/JodoKast.gif)
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u319/thecloneemperor/Legion%20PSA/JodonPuggles.jpg)
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn48/sergeantkal/Mando/FennShysa.jpg)
(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e57/RyuhakaNinja/FennShysa.jpg)
(http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u347/Trunks3540/Figures/Star%20Wars/TobiDalaandFennShysa.jpg)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 18, 2010, 10:15 PM
Pere's the man on this stuff BTW. He can probably make more sense of teh canon mess and feed us more info than we can process!
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ohl'd Vart on Aug 18, 2010, 10:17 PM
I've got those 4 comics...SW Republic 67, SW 68, 69 & 100...I'll cull through them for references and post up tomorrow, if you still need 'em... ;)
Rob
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kebii'tra Verda on Aug 18, 2010, 11:05 PM
So let me see if I have the general idea:

DISCLAIMER: I am not trying to give a detailed description of every part of the armor, nor is this going to be a complete list. I am only attempting to see if I have the basic idea correct based on the references available at the time of this post. I will leave the final say up to the Council and Approval Team.

SOFT GOODS:
          Flightsuit: shades from light grey to green, including OD Green - must have tool pockets on shins and thigh pouches or armor on both (Fenn Shysa)
          Ammo belt: green, black, mustard, or orange with matching packs
          Girth: Brown, mustard, or red
          Flak Vest: grey, green, or off white
          Gloves: match flightsuit or ammo belt
          Boots: mostly grey with toe spikes
ARMOR:
          Chest and back: various shades of muted green
          Legs: primarily knees - mustard, orange, or green (Fenn Shysa has all green leg armor including thigh and shin matching the torso)
          Shoulders: muted blue, muted purple (violet), green, or mustard
          Gauntlets: red, mustard, muted blue, green, muted purple (violet)
HELMET:
          Cheeks and back: white, silver, or green
          Upper cheeks: black, muted blue, or darker green than suit
          Mandibles: matches shoulders or gauntlets

I hope this helps in the endeavor to create a possible CRL for this section of characters.

OT: All this talk of the MPs has me thinking - whatever happened to the idea of CW Death Watch grunt costumes? I think I missed it, but did we ever come up with a CRL for that?

Back on topic...

David.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 18, 2010, 11:16 PM
That's a good listing but honestly probably overkill. We're still going to allow for a good deal of customization with these as long as the end result look is a Protector in design. wew're not so much looking to create a CRL here as just a place for Protectors to congregate.

If youve seen teh new Medics Child Board, we are playing around with the idea of starting profession based Brigades and the Medics are the test group. Im hoping to see the Protectors become a brigade when teh time comes.

As for the DW, there are CRL's in they listed with the canon character CRL's. No ones completed one yet. We're having Stormtrooperguy review and do a minor rewrite on the Vizsla CRL and may do so as well with th grunts once we get some approved.

However, again, unless someone is applying as a canon character,we're not going to have a seperate CRL for protectors beyond the clubs CRL's. Just some expectations in color.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Harro_Jorir'gal on Aug 18, 2010, 11:42 PM
Y'know even though I am doing a True Mandolorian I am starting to think I should throw in my chips with the Protectors since at best I can hope people will think I am a protector and not just a way off cannon Boba.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Peregrinus on Aug 19, 2010, 12:31 AM
At the root of any interpretation we apply is the fact that the most crucial single piece of EU reference -- Marvel Star Wars #68 -- sufferd from '80s comic book production values. This affected both the details of the line-drawing and the colouration. This and the next issue are the earliest sources I can say for sure use the term "Protector", and ties the term to the uniform.

The problems then arise when later contributors to the EU use the erroneous colours or -- worse -- the (inconsistent) depiction of Fenn Shysa wearing a padded pressure-suit as an indication of the colours of a fully decked-out (armoured) Protector. The later reference illustrations -- for Boba raining the new Protectors, for Fenn Shysa's helmet in the New Essential Guide, and so forth -- all carry forward errors as accurate. I try to undo that damage in my costuming research. Yes, I allow fo rindividual interpretation, and am fine being considered the hardest of hard-liners with what is "accurate". ;)

The EU between ROTJ and the Star Wars Renaissance (Dark Empire and Heir to the Empire really got things going again a decade after that movie) is a little murky. I have everything that came out, but I have a hard time tracking down original sources fo rthings that showed up in the echo chamber of comics, novels, the role-playing game, genre magazines, and so forth. I don't know where the phrase "Journeyman Protector" first showed up, but the earliest source I can find printing it is the role-playing game from West End Games, in Boba Fett's backstory.

When Open Seasons came out much, much later, it did a pretty durn good job of reconciling many of the conflicting backstories for Boba Fett into something resembling consistency. Jaster Mereel was now a separate individual, and not an earlier identity, for instance. The True Mandalorians were a movement Jaster started as a counterpoint to both the New Mandalorians and the Death Watch -- an attempt to get back to the traditions they'd moved away from. He, himself, was given one of Boba's back-stories -- a former Journeyman Protector who was kicked out of the organization for murdering his superior officer. He had other Protectors join him in the True Mandalorian movement, and had the tacit support of others who didn't want to get directly involved.

Jango's dad's role in all this makes more sense in light of the new cartoons. He was being a good pacifistic New Mandalorian on Concord Dawn, and the Protectors at that time were still supposed to both exist as an official organization (not formed by Spar) and be more like London's Metropolitain Police Force -- unarmed peacekeepers -- in line with the New Mandalorian philosophy. Hence Papa Fett and his family not beiing in armour. But the fact that he was lending support and giving refuge to Jaster and his band shows where his sympathies truly lay.

We see three visor frame colours repeated over and over and over on all Protector and Protector-like helmets -- red, yellow, and blue. Jaster and Boba have both been referenced as having made it to the rank of Journeyman, so that makes the most sense for their shared red visor frames.

Those with yellow visor frames have almost always been shown to have less authority and been followers, so it makes the most sense as the rank colour for Apprentice Protectors. But...

One unresolved issue is the Governor of Galidraan "restoring" Jango's armour while Jango was being a slave, and giving it a blue visor frame. If that was in fact the original colour under the red that Jango had at the time, then that would make more sense as the Apprentice rank colour. I would have been much happier if -- as the "last Mandalorian" he was supposed to be at the time of AOTC -- he had stripped off all colour and put the blue visor frame on himself, considering himself to have attained the rank of Master, either by accomplishment or by default.

Gonna give this a chance to digest. *chuckle* As you can see, I've been fascinated by Mandalorians since 1978. ;D

--Jonah
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 19, 2010, 10:34 AM
So, now who's building one!?
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ohl'd Vart on Aug 19, 2010, 01:30 PM
Daaaaaaaanm.....thanks, Pere.  ;)

Like Pere said, the coloring is crappy, but here they are, in all their 1980's glory... ;)


Marvel Star Wars #68 and 69 (featuring Fenn Shysa, that Southern rogue)...
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/ghostsoldier/Star%20Wars/MANDALORIAN%20PROTECTORS/MarvelStarWars068-09.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/ghostsoldier/Star%20Wars/MANDALORIAN%20PROTECTORS/MarvelStarWars068-11.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/ghostsoldier/Star%20Wars/MANDALORIAN%20PROTECTORS/MarvelStarWars068-13.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/ghostsoldier/Star%20Wars/MANDALORIAN%20PROTECTORS/MarvelStarWars068-14.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/ghostsoldier/Star%20Wars/MANDALORIAN%20PROTECTORS/MarvelStarWars068-15.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/ghostsoldier/Star%20Wars/MANDALORIAN%20PROTECTORS/MarvelStarWars069-18.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/ghostsoldier/Star%20Wars/MANDALORIAN%20PROTECTORS/MarvelStarWars069-19.jpg)

Rob


Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ohl'd Vart on Aug 19, 2010, 01:37 PM
Marvel Star Wars #100...(Fenn again)....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/ghostsoldier/Star%20Wars/MANDALORIAN%20PROTECTORS/Star_Wars_n100-22.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/ghostsoldier/Star%20Wars/MANDALORIAN%20PROTECTORS/Star_Wars_n100-35.jpg)

Rob
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ohl'd Vart on Aug 19, 2010, 01:48 PM
Dark Horse Star Wars Republic #67 (dead Protectors)....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/ghostsoldier/Star%20Wars/MANDALORIAN%20PROTECTORS/blz10.jpg)

...and that's all I have, as per those references. Not much, but with the stuff A'den posted, it's enough to get folks familiar with the coloring schemes (using canon comic references, anyway).... ;)

Rob
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: BedlamX on Aug 19, 2010, 04:13 PM
Well...I wasn't intending to do a Protector style kit, but I was told by a couple people it looked the part. Of course, I had no idea what the Protectors were until doing a little research and seeing this thread. Here's mine. You guys tell me if it fits in.

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y277/BedlamX/Mando/DSCN1312.jpg)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dar'manda on Aug 19, 2010, 04:14 PM
I'd say it fits, and i'd troop beside it!
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ohl'd Vart on Aug 19, 2010, 04:17 PM
Sweeeet.  ;)
Rob
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kebii'tra Verda on Aug 19, 2010, 04:34 PM
PLEASE don't let my boy see that gatling gaunt...he'll beg me to make him one!

David.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dar'manda on Aug 19, 2010, 04:46 PM
Hmmmmm.. What was his account name? *boots up PM*
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Peregrinus on Aug 19, 2010, 05:44 PM
As I said earlier, I'm making my take on Fenn Shysa -- both as Protector and in his later "Mandalore armour", and since it's going to be a while before I have the metal helmet and gauntlets done, I'm finishing off the kit for the time being as Kyr's old Apprentice Protector armour. I should have my rough sketch up tonight.

My whole long dissertation was partly intended as ahistory lesson of the real-world origins and sources... but also parly to explain my thought process and why I gave some things more credence than others.

Two additional things:

Red seems to be the most common visor-frame colour, which works for me just fine. In the real-world Apprentice-Journeyman-Master systems, once one makes Journeyman, pushing on to Master isn't usually the necessary next step. As a Journeyman, one no longer needs to be supervised, one can hang out one's own shingle and go into business for oneself, and one can train Apprentices. Going on to seek Master rank is usually neither necessary nor desired. It involves a lot of fuzzy stuff, and in the case of the Protectors, I can only speculate what that might be.

And I couldn't help but nore the yellow-red-blue of the Protectors' A-J-M system would be the inverse of the Clonetroopers' ranks (blue for Lieutenants, red for Captains, yellow for Commanders). [Aside: I happily speculated a while back that since the officers had primary colours, and we already had Sergeants as green, that the other non-com ranks were also secondary colours, hence the orange Sandtrooper pauldron we saw in ANH. ;D ] My Apprentice Protector helmet is going to have the yellow trim, and my later version Supercommando armour is going to have blue, but I'm tempted to have red showing through the scrapes. ;)

--Jonah
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kebii'tra Verda on Aug 19, 2010, 09:39 PM
Hmmmmm.. What was his account name? *boots up PM*

Jauri Turr'n Verda - but it won't do any good. I check his account with him and I have complete control! MUWAAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

Seriously, it's a good pic and it's an idea to go with.

David.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dar'manda on Aug 19, 2010, 09:40 PM
Yeah.. I remember reading that he made the feed belt individual and my hand had sympathy cramps!
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 19, 2010, 09:41 PM
Yup bedlam, you've clearly got a Protector there!
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: BedlamX on Aug 19, 2010, 09:46 PM
Yup bedlam, you've clearly got a Protector there!

Then count me in ;D

Kinda cool, though. I think it will fit in nicely with the back story and job I have in mind for him.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Jare Hasan on Aug 20, 2010, 12:09 AM
I have to respectfully disagree with Jonah, where the Apprentice/Journeyman/Master thing comes in.

THe title "Journeyman Protector" is like saying "Texas Ranger" or "US Marshall".  They are (to my understanding) law enforcement officers...peacekeepers and itinerant judges like they had in the old west.  Nowhere is it really equated with the Mandalorian Protectors, who were (again, in my understanding) an elite branch of the Supercommandos, like the Navy SEALS, or the Air Force Pathfinders.  They would have regular ranks like any military unit, and the color of their helmet trim would denote that, if anything,..especially seeing as the only canon depiction of Protectors showed red trim and no other color.  it makes much more sense that the Protectors had a stricter uniform code than other Mandalorians, the green/green kit, the jetpack with missile, the light kits with shin tools, the green/white/red helmets and the yellow or orange accent pieces.

Now, if I were to do wild speculating (like Jonah did), I'd say that the Protector armor would be basically a Boba kit with very little variation.  A Journeyman Protector kit, however, would be much more the Mandalorians personal kit, with the addition of a red rope sash...or possibly a green on greeen color scheme, but accent colors and armor pieces would be much more up to the individual, so long as they had the Journeyman honor sash prominently displayed.

Just my two hundreths of a cent.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 20, 2010, 12:18 AM
I can get behind most of that Jare. i think most of it on my side, your side and Jonah's side is all speculation based upon trying to untangle the web atht is the EU canon.

There is definatly something to be said for color denoting rank however, it seems somewhat fluid by era and the Protectors seems to be slightly different than the True Mandalorians that preceeded them. Also, as far as the armor type of coverage, saying Boba style with little variation, eh... we have canon sources from later years, figures and other artowork depicting Jango style armor coverage and Legacy style armor. And jetpacks with missiles, Fenn was seen with a jetpack, not of Boba's style and was also seen without a jetpack. Tobi was seen both with and without a jetpack, the dead Protectors from Republic 68, some are seen without jetpacks at all and in the Legacy references all seem to have an attachment point for a jetpack but none are seen with a jetpack of anytype.

Honestly, I think aside from saying "My character is a Protector" the real defining characteristic is the green armor with a rank color on the helmet and armor and possible a 3rd accent color. Now, I think in general if someone's reinventing the wheel, it made be a hard sell. But, if the armor is at least reasonably styled on what's out there and equipt with good ole Mandalorian type weapons and not crazy stuff, it should fit in pretty well.

I'm even thinking that although I intentionally modeled my armor colors on the Protectors, I may be doing a slight color swap to pull it more "in line" with canon sourcing. Ive got some time to kill anyway! And I loves me some armor projects!
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Jare Hasan on Aug 20, 2010, 12:27 AM
Yep, yep...just trying to get it clear in my head more than trying to dictate policy.  I hate dictating policy. (HA!)

Mostly, it's the mixing of the Journeyman Protector and the Protector mythos that bugs me.  To my mind, they are two totally different animals.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 20, 2010, 12:37 AM
yeah I agree. Its my job to dictate policy or at least interpret it and trust me, it's seldom fun especially when it means dissappointing someone! I definatlyw ant to see this as a place for growth not confinement!

And I agree with you that I feel they are 2 seperate groups. But, I also agree with Jonah inasmuch as they were, at least in the early drafts of Boba Fett (upon which I will happily and humbly defer to Jonah's knowledge) backstory. Until the last few years, maybe the last 5 or so, the EU "history" on this stuff was a jumbled mess of non functional, non interhcangable backstories that were all somehow intermingled and yet at the same time conflicting. In the last few years with Open Seasons, the Mandalorian History article from Star Wars Insider magazine and Karen Traviss' writings, along with the work of many others, alot of that mixed continuity was seperated, reorganized and made to work.

In the initial days, I agree that likely teh Journeyman Protector and the Mandalorian Protector may have been, if not one and the same, some how strongly attached and connected. And now, with the mentioned works and what we're seeing in the Clone Wars cartoon and the Essential Atlas, i am convince that continuity has resolved them into 2 seperate organize, much as you described them.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Jare Hasan on Aug 20, 2010, 12:44 AM
Wow, it feels so...weird...to agree with someone.  lol

All my ranting aside, I have to admit my kit upgrade will be more of a mixture of JP and Protector.  Sort of like a Jango painted to look like Boba.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Peregrinus on Aug 20, 2010, 01:22 AM
The title "Journeyman Protector" is like saying "Texas Ranger" or "US Marshall".  They are (to my understanding) law enforcement officers...peacekeepers and itinerant judges like they had in the old west.  Nowhere is it really equated with the Mandalorian Protectors, who were (again, in my understanding) an elite branch of the Supercommandos, like the Navy SEALS, or the Air Force Pathfinders.  They would have regular ranks like any military unit, and the color of their helmet trim would denote that, if anything,..especially seeing as the only canon depiction of Protectors showed red trim and no other color.

On what are you basing this? Not snark -- genuine curiosity. I'm deriving my stuff from what I've read in the sources I quoted. Jango's dad, Jaster Mereel, and Boba Fett have all been referred to as having been Journeyman Protectors (the latter two having had to leave the organization), and -- prior to Boba revitalizing the organization post-Vong -- I have never seen anything that hints that there was a separate organization with a very similar name at the same time... So what did I miss?

--Jonah
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Peregrinus on Aug 20, 2010, 01:29 AM
There is definatly something to be said for color denoting rank however, it seems somewhat fluid by era and the Protectors seems to be slightly different than the True Mandalorians that preceeded them.

Reverse that. Jaster was a Protector before he founded the True Mandalorians. ;)

I tend to agree that the armour coverage thing is irrelevent. We saw all manner of it in Jaster's group. All of them did have rocketpacks, though. When we have seen them without, the mounts have still been there, so their lack can be considered a temporary thing -- they just don't have them on at the moment.

And A'den, Fenn's appearance in MSW #68 is not in full armour, and his pack is different in almost every panel, so... *heh*

--Jonah
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kel Toi on Aug 20, 2010, 05:24 AM
I was looking to go a different way with my colour scheme , i think i might go for protector colours .
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Jare Hasan on Aug 20, 2010, 10:24 AM
On what are you basing this? Not snark -- genuine curiosity. I'm deriving my stuff from what I've read in the sources I quoted. Jango's dad, Jaster Mereel, and Boba Fett have all been referred to as having been Journeyman Protectors (the latter two having had to leave the organization), and -- prior to Boba revitalizing the organization post-Vong -- I have never seen anything that hints that there was a separate organization with a very similar name at the same time... So what did I miss?

--Jonah

It's implied from the sources that JPs are limited to Concord Dawn (though I'm not sure I agree with that), and is a title that is much older than the Protector organization (which was started by Spar after the demise of the True Mandalorians during the Clone Wars) and is solely focused on law enforcement.
Quote from: Wookieepedia
Journeyman Protector was a title held by the lawmen of Concord Dawn. Jaster Mereel once held it, but following his exile for the murder of a superior officer it was assumed by Jango Fett's father. Boba Fett also held this title circa 13 BBY.

Sergeant Fox of the 501st Legion wanted to join the Journeyman Protectors although this dream was probably never realized as that it is unlikely that Fox was ever able to leave the Imperial Military.

One of the most visible signs of Journeymen Protectors was a red or brown sash which they wore around their waist.
edit Journeyman Protectors

    * Jaster Mereel, prior to 60 BBY
    * The father of Jango Fett, prior to 60 BBY–58 BBY
    * Cort Davin around 32 BBY
    * Lenovar, killed by Boba Fett, under the alias Jaster Mereel around 13 BBY
    * Boba Fett 16-13 BBY
Nowhere are the Protectors (Fenn, Tobbi, etc) mentioned. 

And as for rank within the Protectors...
Quote from: Wookieepedia
The Mandalorian Protectors were heavily centered on rank, a practice that owed itself to their culture's long tradition of discipline and the values of respect. The lowest rank was that of a private, or verd'ika. The next rank was corporal (alor'uus). The sergeant or ruus'alor was followed by the lieutenant, or ver'alor. Above these ranks were the captain (alor'ad) and commander, which, in the Mando'a, was the al'verde. The ultimate authority over the Protectors was the Mandalore who served as commander-in-chief of the group.
Also, according to Wookieepedia, Jango was never a Protector of any kind, nor were any of the True Mandalorians under Jaster, because the organization didn't even exist until 20 plus years after the Massacre at Gallidraan.


Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 20, 2010, 10:54 AM
Yeah, I think the tendency is to want to lump the True Mandalorians with the Protectors which I don't feel is correct. They were seperate groups.

Jaster was a JP beofre becoming Mandalore. However, he was never a MP as he died long before that group was created. All sources Ive ever seen tie JP's to Concord Dawn only as a local Law enforcement. Perhaps in some older references that was different. But, modern attempts to clarify continuity have confined them there while the MP's became the standing or at least recallable army of the region.

So, I dunno, the continuity on it all really is muddled and I doubt we'll get any kind of sure consensus on here or in a canon reference.

And Kel, please do ner'vod!

I recall Kav'an, I THINK, had a really nice looking MP. I believe he either repainted it or sold it.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Mafio on Aug 20, 2010, 12:34 PM
Ranks and Military disciplin?

No thanks, thats not my Notion about Mando's. I agree more with the Independent Mercenary-Image
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 20, 2010, 12:51 PM
After all this discussion I think I should clarify my kit then. I will be making a Journeyman Protector.

Journeyman Protector's aren't confirmed to wear armor or even be Mandalorian's as we think of them. They are Concordians (from Concord Dawn and speak a different dialect of the language), living within teh Mandalorian sector of space. However, the only folks we've seen from Concord Dawn don't wear armor. The only identifying mark for certain on the JP is the red girth. Now certainly, a Jp may become an MP or a Mando'ad and continue to wear their grithbelt as a symbol of what they were but on the surface, a JP is not the armor clad warriors we're used to. That being said continue as you wish with your build ner'vod  ;D but in appearances, at least from your helmet, you look to be building a Mandalorian Protector.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Darman_Skirata on Aug 20, 2010, 01:01 PM
hmm, ive always wanted to do a Mandalorian Protectors kit, but was never sure on how to make a unique one, i was gonna make my Hettyc set in Protector colours but that wouldnt look right would it?
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Mandalore the Uniter on Aug 20, 2010, 06:08 PM
Read the first chapter of Open Seasons, where Jango's father clearly states he's the local Journeyman Protector and the law.  Jaster was exiled from Concord Dawn before he took up the armor of the Mandalorians, so it's totally inconclusive as to weather or not Journeymen Protectors wore mando armor.  There's so many different opinions between books and comics that I don't think we'll ever know for sure.  We do know that Mando Protectors are/were their own group, and some of them during the Clone Wars were recruited from Mandalorian police forces which presumably were Journeyman Protectors. 

JP's wore a red sash, but weren't necessarily MP's unless they joined up or were recruited in.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: kalika on Aug 20, 2010, 06:53 PM
well... since my armor's already mostly green, and the pattern itself is pretty much the same as Fett, just different colors, I think I may just touch up the colors and make it a Mandalorian Protector (I hate saying MP... it has a different conotation to me. lol)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Naas Atiniir on Aug 20, 2010, 07:02 PM
Like Novall said, read Open Seasons. You actually see the Fett family while on Concord Dawn, and Jango's father does say he's the local Journeyman Protector. In addition, none of them were wearing Mandalorian armor. Jango only took to wearing it after Jaster adopted him, and by this time Jaster had been exiled and was now a Mandalorian.

It's my understanding as well that the Journeyman Protectors were just upholders of the law on Concord Dawn (and only Concord Dawn) and the Mandalorian Protectors was a completely separate group of people doing completely different things.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kel Toi on Aug 20, 2010, 07:06 PM
Any one got the colours for protector armour , as in correct or as near , which shades of green etc , car paint colours or is it just preference on the green , and mustard colour and red ? thanks  ;)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 20, 2010, 07:36 PM
That's all pretty well hashed out in earlier posts ner'vod. Muted green's. Main thing is they are not bright greens. More earthy tones... olive, sage, drab, hunter etc. As for trim colors... red (various shades), blue (various shades) and yellow (various) shades seem to be the common denominator. They also tend to have a 3rd "accent color", primarily on the helmet although sometimes on other auxillery armor plates as well. That color can pretty much be anything. We've seen white, blue, black, a seperate shade of green etc.

To help my kit look more MP than it did although it did have the look, I today did some repainting. My primary color is still drab green. My trim color is now yellow instead of the rust red/brown I had previously used and my accent color is now hunter green. i'll have pix up in a couple days!
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kel Toi on Aug 20, 2010, 07:45 PM
Thanks A'den , will be going shopping for paint tomorrow , the change begins !
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Praetor Ordo on Aug 20, 2010, 09:37 PM
In addition, none of them were wearing Mandalorian armor. Jango only took to wearing it after Jaster adopted him, and by this time Jaster had been exiled and was now a Mandalorian.
Also, his father was farming and not expecting combat.  In all likelyhood, he was not wearing his armor because he didn't need to.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: BedlamX on Aug 20, 2010, 09:54 PM
The paint I used for my kit is Krylon Italian Olive in a satin finish. While I was not looking for a specific "Protector" color when I started designing mine, I knew I wanted something close to the old OD we used on crap back when I first joined the Army (before the woodland camo was used on everything). This was as close as I could find and looked great with the burgundy my wife wanted to use for her kit. It wasn't until after I had finished the helmet that I even heard of the Protectors. I just thought it was kinda cool to pay homage to the main man, Boba ;)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Peregrinus on Aug 21, 2010, 12:01 AM
I agree wiht what Praetor just said. I'd hate to be wearing my armour whilst farming or just hanging about the house.

Pointe the Seconde: There were Mandos in Jaster's crew who were wearing green armour with yellow shoulder plates (and knees in some panels) with contrasting visor trim -- to me, the very definition of a Protector uniform.

3) Although no other ranks/levels are mentioned, the word 'journeyman' does not exist in a vacuum. It implies, by its use (instead of some other word), the existence of the ranks/levels to either side of it. Whatever the Swarzy terms might be, such as the 'squires' implicit in an order with 'knights' being called Padawans in context.

I don't resort to Wiki for my info. I have most of the source material it quotes, and can look up the rest. I prefer to get it in context and understand its location in the real-world timeline of what came out when. Just throwing data into a pile is not nearl yas useful as understanding what came first, how it was modified and when, how that was later modified, how other contemporary works altered an interpretation, etc. For instance, since  childhood sequences in Open Seasons are now known to take place during the dominance of the New Mandalorians, the lack of armour makes even more sense in retrospect -- whether that was the creative team's intention, or whether they got direction from George, or if they thought about it al all, I don't know.

At the time the two MSW issues that introduced Fenn and Tobbi came out, they and Boba were part of a pre-existing organization that was involved in the Clone Wars. Boba left or was kicked out and became a bounty hunter.

At the time Open Seasons came out, Spar didn't exist yet, and the above data point regarding Boba's past was in flux as people were trying to figure out how to rationalize it, or determine if it just had to be ignored. And even after Spar was first mentioned, it was a little bit before the current (conflicting) versions of events were laid out.

My take on the whole Protector thing is that they existed as a peacekeeping force -- unarmed and unarmoured as per the New Mandalorian philosophy, but probably with stun weapons a la the Duchess' guards. Between that, and more militant Protectors siding with Jaster (and getting killed on Korda and Galidraan), there's a long lull during Jango's slavery and time spent on Kamino when the armoured Protectors we think of wouldn't exist.

Then Spar re-organized them, thanks to possessing Jango's memories (whatever), during the Clone Wars. That'd be when Tobbi and Fenn joined up. The organization was banned during the Empire's occupation, and it seems they were officially disbanded, despite the "ex"-Protectors Dala and Shysa leading the resistance.

Some time after that, Boba reformed them again not long before the Vong invasion.

Same organization throughout, by my lights. Caught in the middle of the New/True Mandalorian doctrinal conflict during the Republic. Crushed under the Empire as part of Sidious' master plan to crush all potential resistance. Always stubbornly coming back.

I'm-a shut up again. *chuckle*

--Jonah
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Post by: Kel Toi on Aug 21, 2010, 04:33 AM
I dont know where my brain is at times , The british army DMP i wore when i was serving would do nicely , thanks Bedlamx for reminding me  :D
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Post by: Jacx Arakkis on Aug 23, 2010, 01:48 AM
I'm very curious about the three Mandos in the last pic of Ohl'd Vart's post. (reply #37) They look strikingly similar to the scheme I am doing (see avatar). Yet there really is no gree. Its golds and yellows. Any info on this?
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Post by: Kebii'tra Verda on Aug 23, 2010, 06:44 AM
The last pic in post #37 is of two figures that have lots of green. In fact, most of those pics, even the ones in post #34 have lots of green. Which pic are you talking about?

David.

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Post by: Darman_Skirata on Aug 23, 2010, 07:25 AM
man all this talk makes me wanna have/make a Mandalorian Protector now lol wish the same scheme could apply to my Hettyc A'den set ><
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Post by: Jacx Arakkis on Aug 23, 2010, 07:53 AM
now that I am home I see it. Work monitor must be a bit off.....

Its the one of the three Mandos. the green is must of a mustard/green mix. Threw me off a second
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Post by: Jacx Arakkis on Aug 23, 2010, 07:57 AM
the flighsuits are more than tan then in the other pics as well.
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 23, 2010, 10:28 AM
It's just the "lighting" in the artwork. It's a reinterpretation of the other pic of the 3 Protecotrs.

Protectors are green, there's really no denying that. That's the 1 real defining thing about Protectors more than anything... the colors. It's WELL discussed here.
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Post by: Peregrinus on Aug 23, 2010, 03:33 PM
The armour is certainly green. The rest is open to interpretation. ;)

--Jonah
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Post by: Jacx Arakkis on Aug 23, 2010, 05:26 PM
"The rest is open to interpretation. "


Thank you.
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Post by: Ohl'd Vart on Aug 23, 2010, 06:08 PM
The paint I used for my kit is Krylon Italian Olive in a satin finish.

I love the stuff.... :)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/ghostsoldier/Star%20Wars/OUR%20MANDO%20PROJECTS/ROBS%20V2/S6306084.jpg)
Rob
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Post by: Synnr Falco on Aug 23, 2010, 06:15 PM
I didn't read this whole topic yet but posting because I've considered my self in the Protector/Supercommando style

(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_EVug28Ts5Nc/S3ogvhyDhaI/AAAAAAAACWk/Ob5jIm98fis/Genericon%202010%20037.jpg)
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 23, 2010, 07:53 PM
Im glad you found your way in here as you certainly have the lok ner'vod! Kandossi!
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Post by: Peregrinus on Aug 23, 2010, 10:44 PM
Hey, A'den, is this going to get its own section, a la the Medics and Engineers? If so, should probably haul the Fenn Shysa discussion thread out of the Keldabe Lounge. I think it's dropped all the way back to page 14 -- last post was in February.

Meantime, I'm going to quote myself from there:

I have a Fenn Shysa costume waiting in the wings once I've gotten a good enough start on my custom. I am one of the ones who is going to start with ESB-Boba and go from there. Largely copy-pasted from another board, and slightly edited, is my reasoning here:

Here's the big reference:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Star%20Wars/Mandaloriansclonewars.jpg)

The rest of that issue, he's wearing something lighter, but still has the same helmet, belt, and gauntlets.

In that picture, Boba, Fenn, and Tobbi Dala all have the same basic (incorrect) colour scheme. Here's the cover of the same issue:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/Mswc68cover.jpg)

So the cover colorist had a slightly better idea. But still, both of those were using this image for reference:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/bobartesb1.jpg)

Some people I know treat every costume error or artistic interpretation as a variation. I consider them errors. I am not, here, saying no one should do green flight suits. Just that they be aware the appearance of such in Marvel Star Wars #68 was an error perpetuated by other EU artists. Do a green flight suit because you like it, or because you think it looks cool. Don't do it "because that's how it was in the comic/Essential Guide/whatever". Ditto the white cheeks.

Synnr, I think that looks awesome. :)

--Jonah
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 24, 2010, 11:04 PM
Hopefully, it will be. still some kinks being worked out.

As for moving the Fenn thread, not sure if that will be done or not but, if it is, it will certainly be moved here when/if a board is created.

As for the potential color "errors", I totally agree that it was likely either an error by the inker or the printer. However, it became established canon as a result. Also, it's a viable "variant" if you will. We all love Boba Fett, I would guess those doing Protector colored kits as much or more so than others. As much as I love Boba Fett, I think myself and although I dare not speak for everyone else, I would guess Im not far off base that if we wanted to costume as Boba Fett, we would be. Instead, we want to look more similar to him than just the armor but, we still want the means to look simaltaneously custom and uniform.

Ah variety, the spice of life! LOL
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Post by: Kel Toi on Aug 25, 2010, 04:11 AM
Im using a green flightsuit  ;D because I want tae  ;)
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Post by: Peregrinus on Aug 26, 2010, 03:09 AM
There ya go. ;D

--Jonah
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Post by: Jacx Arakkis on Aug 26, 2010, 07:08 PM
thats killer. Great job ner vod!
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Mandalore the Uniter on Aug 27, 2010, 01:26 PM
I think you really have to take into consideration the constants in the armor, since each picture is different from the other.

1.  All artwork shows a greenish looking flight suit.

2.  All artwork shows a red T area on the helmet, with the majority of the helmet being green.

3.  Green, red, yellow were the primary colors of Protector armor.

If one at the least sticks to these three constants then I think they could definitely call their armor "Protector" style armor.  Reason being is that there are more images of these specific colors used then not used.  That has to count for something.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dar'manda on Aug 27, 2010, 01:36 PM
I guess, even as much as I like the idea of the Blue trimmed visor in protector colors, Novall has a smart bit of feedback there. The only things were know for sure are those images with the qualities he pointed out. The rest is highly, highly likely (and in Pere's case I know obsessively researched  ;) ) conjecture. And, as i'm sadly finding out with the RC Omega squad CRL process with the 501st.. No matter how much sense it makes, conjecture (especially when applied to iconic canon types) leads more often than not to hurt feelings, confusion, or arguments.

For instance.. I whole heartedly agree the mando's with Yachs/Karr in the Legacy Comic are 85% likely to be Protectors.. But since it doesn't say that anywhere, i'm not sure it's best to use them as reference.

That said, the only other things I can think of to offer is that, would they all be in the light armored Boba coverage? I know Canon wise we don't see anything really beyond the two Fett or Karr style Mandalorian armor, but the Mercs allows the customization of armor parts and shapes still. Will that, in turn likely apply to things like a Protector or True Mando? I only ask because they seem to be, looking over it, rather uniform like in appearance/makeup, so it'd be helpful to this thread to know what direction the Council and any participants want to see it. Given what tom said, I could almost see the Protectors being nearly worthy of a CRL rather than an informal brigade, but a Brigade could be made to work.

Lets get crackin on this... I got some spare sintra and olive drab type paint just itching for use!
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Post by: Cdr. Ch'ren Jud'se on Aug 27, 2010, 08:26 PM
so what about orange? would that be an "ok" color? cuz, i would like to do a proctector, but i don't want to do red for being to close to boba.... and i hate the other 2  :D and you know, red + Yellow = orange  ;D
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Post by: BedlamX on Aug 27, 2010, 09:50 PM
Bah...be like Boba...

It's fun and people look at ya funny at the grocery store ;)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Spanner Murraan on Aug 28, 2010, 12:53 AM
We always had a rule when I was reenacting:

"Portray the common as it will limit confusion."

What this means is, just because it was done by a few, doesnt mean you should do it. TThe example is one I personally experienced.  When I was putting together my Golden Age of Piracy kit, I wanted to use a highland bonnet and a Culloden type shirt because i wanted to portray a scottish pirate (25% of sailors from the early 1700's were scots).  I had a list of reasons why these would be appropriate, and the leaders agreed with me.  What they told me though was that these articles, though appropriate and period-correct, dont represent what the majority of the young sailors in the day would have worn and we were trying to educate about the life of the average sailor, not the exceptions.

It was pretty much this way wtih every reenactor group I was with.

Now, I know this is not reenactment troop, and I fully encourage anyone do take personal creative liberties with their kit.  But in terms of the protectors, I would stick to what has been established more often, than not, such as red faces, green helmets... that sort of thing.
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 28, 2010, 10:53 AM
The red face is definatly an identifier but whether you're a custom, Fenn or Tobi... people's first thought is going to be Boba Fett. I mean when a guy in gold armor gets called Boba Fett, a near miss custom doesnt have a prayer! LOL  ;D Although I wouldnt discourage anyone from using red at all, I would say try to find some way(s) in auxillery colors, accessories etc to seperate yourself.

As for your question Ch'ren... orange while it will still give you a protectors look, isnt going to make you a protector. Needs to be red, yellow or blue for the secondary color. If you wanted to use orange as an auxillary color that MAY be ok, not really sure to be honest. I think the the reigns on this are going to get tighter than anyone imagined. If/when this becomes a brigade, I don't see it being anything like the other briages in it's looseness. This one's probably going to be more of a CRL.

When/if the time comes, it may almost be better off breaking into a canon protectors vs protector inspired armor. Otherwise Im getting the vibe everyone's going to look like Boba Fett, Fenn Shysa or Tobi Dala with little to no wiggle room.
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Post by: Cdr. Ch'ren Jud'se on Aug 28, 2010, 04:02 PM
o'tay, i will see waht i can come up with  ;)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 28, 2010, 07:50 PM
As far as orange goes, I believe (and could be mistaken) that it is mentioned somewhere that Jodo Kast's kit was a protector kit that he "borrowed". And his is very orange.

It's the same "yellow" that is used on the shoulder and knee plates for a Boba Fett kit. It definatly has an orange hue to it. I found a very similar if not the same color at my local Home Depot. They sell it for ground markings at construction sites. It's what Ive repainted my gaunts, shoulders and knee's with.

Edit:

Although, now that you mention it, I do seem to recall that Jodo's CRL's call for a shade of orange... Ill have to double check that.

edit 2:

Ok, so Jodo's CRl does call for pumkin orange. How odd. If I remember corectly the artwork Ive seen is all yellow. Wierd.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Cdr. Ch'ren Jud'se on Aug 29, 2010, 12:26 AM
so that means i could do orange?
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Peregrinus on Aug 29, 2010, 12:31 AM
The colours used for Boba's knees and shoulders were -- in layers, and in different thicknesses -- Floquil/Polly Scale "Reefer Yellow (http://www.testors.com/product/0/F414122/_/Reefer_Yellow_PollyScale_-_1_oz._Bottle)", "ATSF Catwhisker Yellow (http://www.testors.com/product/0/F414146/_/ATSF_%28Atchison%2C_Topeka_%26_Santa_Fe%29_Catwhiskar_Yellow_PollyScale_-_1_oz._Bottle)", and "UP Armor Yellow (http://www.testors.com/product/0/F414170/_/Union_Pacific_Armor_Yellow_PollyScale_-_1_oz._Bottle)". The Reefer Yellow starts getting pretty orange when it gets painted on thickly. The "Pumpkin Orange" is a commonly-employed rattlecan shortcut for a fairly yellow orange if one doesn't have, or can't, airbrush.

--Jonah
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 29, 2010, 11:01 AM
Yeah, that's kinda what I was thinking. I knew Boba's was a layered and thickness look and Jodo's was nearly the same color. Although, I must admit that Jodo's live builds look much more orange than Boba's do. You can look at Boba's and as much orange tinge as there is, you can still in all fairness call if yellow. With Jodo, it looks like yellow tinged ornage instead or orange tinged yellow. However, again, any artwork distinctly shows yellow regardless of what the CRL states. So, who really knows where the error lies.

Ch'ren Ive got a color for you to check out. I picked some up at my Local Home depot. It's about 5.00 per can. However, I was able to do trim, shoulders, knee's and gaunts with 1 can, 2 coats on each piece, and have some left. The color is remarkably like Boba Fett's orange tinged yellow. It's probably as far as youre going to be able to push the orange envelope. The paint is Rust-Oleum High Performance inverted marking paint. The color is Caution Yellow. This stuff is meant to be sprayed upside down to matrk the ground at construction sites etc. It's quite durable. The upside down sparying makes applying it kinda funny but it works.

Now, my personal opinion is this... if you used green as your primary color, red yellow or blue as your secondary color and your orange as a auxillary color, I would personally still look at your kit and see protector. However, this is something that's probably going to be fiercely debated as this moves forward. Is that protector or protector influenced? Sure, it's not JUST like Fenn, Tobi and Boba but, it fits the guidelines of unnamed , mentioned or/and assumed  from the EU. regardless of if its labled a protector or protector influenced, real fans are going to know what you are. I just dont think you could use orange as your secondary color and call it a protector. It needs to be auxillary or replace it with the caution yellow instead of say a sun yellow
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Post by: Jare Hasan on Aug 29, 2010, 01:25 PM
With Jodo, it looks like yellow tinged ornage instead or orange tinged yellow. However, again, any artwork distinctly shows yellow regardless of what the CRL states. So, who really knows where the error lies.



Action figure artwork and trading card only.  Of course, on the trading card, Jodo's armor was blue and yellow.
All his comic book appearances have been the pumpkin orange, and the CRL was written before Hasbro messed with the canon colors for the action figure.
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 29, 2010, 01:46 PM
True but, even in the comic art I wouldnt neccessarily say it was pumkin orange. I dunno, maybe Im color bindish lol.
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Post by: Gratulor on Aug 29, 2010, 02:30 PM
True but, even in the comic art I wouldnt neccessarily say it was pumkin orange. I dunno, maybe Im color bindish lol.

My eyes tell me it's pretty much pumkin orange, but a slightly darker shade than your garden variety pumpkin. Definitely has more red in it than yellow.

As for me, I think Protector armour can be customizable in shades and gear. We see a few different shades of green between the Marvel comics to sourcebook artwork, and the red also varies greatly between sources. The shoulders of Tobbi and Fenn are both green and they both have a very lime-green shade on the armour and jumpsuit. One thing that I think defines the Protectors more than anything is the cream coloured cheeks, found on both the Marvel comic depiction of Boba Fett and all depictions of Fenn and Tobbi. At least they differentiate the Protectors from Boba Fett and True Mandalorian grunts.
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 29, 2010, 04:39 PM
Alrighty, here is the Rust-Oleum Caution Yellow vs. Pumpkin Orange...

caution yellow
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k201/PJR_76/Armor/1000004637_120808_p.jpg)

 pumpkin orange...
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k201/PJR_76/Armor/img-thing.jpg)

While correct for Jodo (althoug Id honestly be more inclined to do the build with the caution yellow and suffer the potential consequences) I think the Pumkkin Orange is just WAY to orange to even be moderatly considered yellow for a protector. Although as an auxillery color, say for Ch'ren, it has promise, at least to me.

The caution yellow has a nice blend of red into it to give it a slight orange hue but to still be considered yellow. It's also a very close 1 apply rattlecan match to Boba's shoulders and knee's. Almost a perfect yellow for a protector. Although is someone were inclined to a brighter yellow as a matte rof preferance or taste that's fine too.
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Post by: Mullreel on Aug 29, 2010, 04:44 PM
I bought a Bauhaus Gold by Krylon the other day that has a nice orangy yellow look to it.  It doesn't look gold thats for sure.

It was a much softer yellow I thought.  More of an earthy tone.
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Post by: Peregrinus on Aug 29, 2010, 06:07 PM
I have Tatooine Manhunt and Twin Engines of Destruction here and, to these eyes, it looks no more orange than the shoulders and knees. *shrug*

Additionally, I've seen quite a few Boba builds with pretty orange shoulders and knees that didn't get gigged for it. With the 501st, it really comes down to one's local Membership Officer. Some are sticklers for movie-accuracy even though base standards are more lax than that. Some will approve kits that don't come close to meeting standards. And the whole spectrum in between. So just because that's how it's been seen in the 501st is no proof of accuracy, or a guideline we have to follow.

Just sayin'. ;)

That Reefer Yellow gets pretty orange as more is applied. Same colours used on Boba's knees as shoulders, but since it wasn't applied as thickly on his shoulders, they look far yellower. If it were to be applied to the visor frame as thickly as to the knees, that would be a lot more orange than the shoulders, too.

Again, just sayin'. ;D

--Jonah
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Post by: Dar'manda on Sep 01, 2010, 05:00 PM
Hey A'den, does my armor work for this?
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Post by: Cdr. Ch'ren Jud'se on Sep 01, 2010, 05:18 PM
Hey A'den, does my armor work for this?
it's not green Capin  ;)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Sep 01, 2010, 06:19 PM
Yeah, Ch'rens correct. You'd need to do a repaint.
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Post by: Dar'manda on Sep 01, 2010, 07:51 PM
So the armor must be green? I have green on my armor, I just wanted to ask.
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Sep 01, 2010, 09:19 PM
well, I think this will be refined over time. I guess since I started the thread Im kinda like teh defacto "lead" here but, my armor is honestly more Protector inspired than a true Mandalorian Protector. My armor's just too heavy and the Legacy style plates kinda throw it off. id really like to see someone else take teh reigns here... maybe Jonah since I dont think anyone has a more complete mental library on these guys than he lol. But, he needs to get his shab'la armor done!

What we've pretty well established is standard Boba (maybe Jango) style armor. Customization to the gaunts is fine but, they need to be weapons platform gaunts, not bracers wraps etc. The armor has to be an earthy green... sage, olive, drab, hunter, forest etc. Nothing bright and flashy. Secondary colors on the armor and helmet should be red, yellow or blue. We havent really established what the auxillary colors should be. To be truest to type I guess we're going to have to be black or green (like Boba) although personally, I'd go for anything. I'm not sure how tight things are going to get on flightsuits but if they get tight, gray of varying shades and green would be the fit. Personally, I think anything is fine. Vest should be of a color similar but not exact to the flightsuit. For example a different shade or gray with a gray flightsuit or a different shade of green with a green flightsuit. Again, to me, anything goes.

I have a feeling at the end of the day we're only going to have a few "true Mandalorian Protector's" and by the nature of the custom costuming club, we're going to have a lot of Mandalorian Protector inspired followers. So, we'll see where and how thing goes in due time.

hope that helps some!
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Post by: Synnr Falco on Sep 01, 2010, 09:57 PM

So by your measure A'den does my armor measure up as Protector?  It sounds like it by reading your post but I'd like to hear you sound off on it. Thanks!
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Sep 01, 2010, 10:01 PM
I'd consider your's a protector hands down. However, there are other opinions within this thread of what a true Mandalorian Protector is and what Mandalorian Protector inspired kit is.

When I see your kit I see MP without any issue. However, other's may see an issue with your flightsuit beign tan etc.

As I said, it's something that's going to have to be hammered out over time and with the Council's input. When I see an earthy green Mando with a tric olored helmet and knee's shoulder and gauntlets accents in yellow red or blue. redgardless of auxillary colors, soft good colors or white cheeks, my mind says it's  Mandalorian Protector. However, that may not be the truest representation if you take into account only Boba Fett, Jodo Kast, the 80's Marvel comics and the figures. So, it kind of depends which direction we, as a club,  go with it.
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Post by: Spanner Murraan on Sep 01, 2010, 10:14 PM
Can I be a Mandalorian Protector too, A'den? Please! please! Can I?!

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Post by: Peregrinus on Sep 02, 2010, 12:52 AM
id really like to see someone else take teh reigns here... maybe Jonah since I dont think anyone has a more complete mental library on these guys than he lol.

*blush* Yeah, probably. The mixed blessing of an eidetic memory.

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But, he needs to get his shab'la armor done!

Yes. Yes he does. *sigh* He is all too aware of the problem, and has had recent frustrating setbacks in his helmet and gauntlet test builds, which he will be enumerating in his WIP threads once he's made some headway on correcting for them.

He will also stop speaking about himself in the third person now because it's giving him a headache... >_>

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I'm not sure how tight things are going to get on flightsuits but if they get tight, gray of varying shades and green would be the fit. Personally, I think anything is fine. Vest should be of a color similar but not exact to the flightsuit. For example a different shade or gray with a gray flightsuit or a different shade of green with a green flightsuit. Again, to me, anything goes.

I agree. My preference is for ESB/ROTJ-accurate, but the errors in the EU have to be acknowledged, even if they're not consistent enough to fulfill the 501st's "three sources" guideline (*whew* ;) ). If not ESB blue-grey, I'd put MSW's kelly/sage/OD green as my secondary preference, but really, as long as the armour looks good, and the soft parts look good and consistent with it, I'd say almost anything goes.

When I see your kit I see MP without any issue. However, other's may see an issue with your flightsuit beign tan etc.

I don't. I think it looks great.

--Jonah
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Darman_Skirata on Sep 02, 2010, 05:57 AM
would the kit be ok if the flightsuit and vest were black?
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Post by: Peregrinus on Sep 03, 2010, 02:42 AM
We'd have to see the finished ensemble to see how the whole thing looks.

--Jonah
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Post by: Synnr Falco on Sep 03, 2010, 08:33 AM



Thanks guys , glad that I make Protector grade since that was my goal from the beginning. I sort of took my inspiration from the cover of that marvel comic with Boba, Fenn and Tobi. 
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Peregrinus on Sep 07, 2010, 03:28 AM
I re-skimmed my copy of Open Seasons to jog my memory, and noticed that at the time of Montross' betrayal, Jango's wearing green armour with yellow-orange knees and shoulders over a grey flight suit.

I'm also noticing freshly that the art team, while quite good, seems to have a problem drawing the earcaps accurately. It's not a matter of helmet variants, as they even drew Jango's helmet that way in its AOTC configuration. *shrug*

Another thing -- I noticed that Jango refers to the Death Watch splitting off from Jaster's movement.

Food for thought. Gonna do a more thorough re-read in a little bit.

--Jonah
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Sep 08, 2010, 04:17 PM
Anyone making any progress on their builds or repaints?
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Darman_Skirata on Sep 08, 2010, 04:54 PM
havent made any physical progress but im getting armour from a friend of mine, Druan Krayt along with some stormie gaunts, and ill need to find what helmet to get, probably another 2 piece, either way its progress for me :P
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Post by: Kel Toi on Sep 08, 2010, 06:35 PM
Anyone making any progress on their builds or repaints?

Still covered in primer  :P Hopefully get to paint next week .
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Post by: Cdr. Ch'ren Jud'se on Sep 08, 2010, 07:22 PM
need more sintra.... i have the paint and everything though.... i love havng a dad that keeps all paint... xD
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Post by: Slade Kel on Sep 08, 2010, 11:12 PM
Just finished reading through this here, and while Slade's an engineer at heart, there's always an opportunity for an MP in the future ;). I'll be keeping an eye out to see what further developments might come from here.
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Post by: Dar'manda on Sep 09, 2010, 12:29 AM
I have a flightsuit and picked up some boba-style gaunts. The rest is waiting to see how much sintra I have left over after Ijaat's upgrades.
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Post by: Darman_Skirata on Sep 09, 2010, 01:51 AM
Still covered in primer  :P Hopefully get to paint next week .

When you do get the paint, could you post it in your thread or something, cos i would like to know which is good to get for my MP :P
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kel Toi on Sep 10, 2010, 04:07 AM
No probs bro , ive just been sidetracked a little  :-[
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Post by: Havoc13 on Sep 10, 2010, 07:40 AM
While not the exact colors I consider my Mando to be a protector. Using a darker green.
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Post by: Jardon Sydor on Sep 10, 2010, 01:59 PM
I would like to join this group.
 as soon as I get my first kit done I will be working on this one which should be very soon
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Post by: Kel Toi on Sep 11, 2010, 07:16 PM
Just looking for some input , I am planning to paint most of my armour as near MP as possible except my face which will be blue (near jango colors) will this still come under MP ? I mean where Boba has red running all round the helm and face , i will have blue ! Also blue accents on armour and i thought about blue on the knees ?
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Post by: Peregrinus on Sep 12, 2010, 01:23 AM
Just looking for some input , I am planning to paint most of my armour as near MP as possible except my face which will be blue (near jango colors) will this still come under MP ? I mean where Boba has red running all round the helm and face , i will have blue ! Also blue accents on armour and i thought about blue on the knees ?

A'den already said -- and I agree -- that the "uniform" is medium green armour with a complementary (usually blue-grey, grey, or green) flight suit and flak vest, contrasting (usually yellow-orange) knees and shoulders, and visor frame in either yellow, blue, or red. You've just fine with that proposed scheme.

How accurate are you interested in being, and you have access to/know how to use an airbrush?

--Jonah
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Post by: Kel Toi on Sep 12, 2010, 04:10 PM
Ive not got an airbrush , i will be working with rattle cans , i still need to get the paint and a new bucket coming from saz shortly .
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Post by: Jun Garros Fett on Sep 12, 2010, 07:20 PM
Been wanting to make this costume for years..   So this would be considered a Mandalorian protector now?

(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b230/brian507im/Jungreenfullarmor2.6cropped-1.jpg)
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Sep 12, 2010, 07:44 PM
You betcha! You thinkin about coming out of retirement there Ghost?
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Post by: Dar'manda on Sep 12, 2010, 08:51 PM
I SEENS IT! I PREDICTED IT!! I Hehehe

Eh, eithe way, i'd say for sure that'd be a protector.
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Post by: Peregrinus on Sep 13, 2010, 05:06 PM
Ive not got an airbrush , i will be working with rattle cans , i still need to get the paint and a new bucket coming from saz shortly.

Well... I'd recommend stormtrooperguy's rattlecan colours. They're not identical to the original Floquil/Polly-Scale paints used in 1979, but pretty durn close. :) Here are the links to his helmet (http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f23/stormtrooperguys-rotj-helmet-rattlecan-colors-27232/) and armour (http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/f25/stormtrooperguys-rotj-armor-rattlecan-colors-27235/) paint lists/tutorials.

--Jonah
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Post by: Kel Toi on Sep 13, 2010, 05:17 PM
Very helpful , thanks ner'vod  ;)
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Post by: Peregrinus on Sep 13, 2010, 05:21 PM
dditional. Forgot the colours if you're doing a blue visor frame. :) I use Rust-Oleum's "Cobalt Blue" for the under-layer and Krylon's "Ocean Blue" for the topcoat. As far as I've been able to find, that Krylon colour is only in the small "touch-up" size of rattlecan.

--Jonah
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Post by: Kel Toi on Sep 14, 2010, 01:31 AM
Thanks again ner'vod  :D
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Post by: Darman_Skirata on Sep 26, 2010, 03:21 PM
i got my armour now, just need to resize it and paint it now, ive still got some green left over from my Hett build, but is the colour too green?

thread: http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=26861.0
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Sep 26, 2010, 04:11 PM
It will probably be alright. Looks like a hunter or forest green? Me personally, I'd put it on heavy as a top coat... maybe 2-4 coats and give it a VERY light wetsand with say 1000 grit wetsand paper. That will dull it down some.
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Post by: Darman_Skirata on Sep 26, 2010, 06:46 PM
I think the paint is Hunter green, ok if its ok then awesome! save some money ^^ thanks a'den :D
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Post by: BedlamX on Sep 28, 2010, 04:31 PM
OK...trying to decide if I even want to mess with the whole brigade thing. The protectors is about the only one that might fit my build (or heavy assault with some additions). So the question becomes: what would I need to change on my kit to be more in-line with the protectors? I kinda doubt I'll be all that "canon" looking due to a couple things I do not want to change.

I like my black flight suit. It is a perfect fit and the black hides the straps for my thighs and knees perfectly.

While I don't mind repainting the knees (they kinda need it anyway as the paint turned out a LOT darker than I had intended), I'm not sure about adding yellow. Always looked to me like Boba's armor was just slapped together from various pieces he found laying around a battlefield.

My only other problem with trying to mod to be more "protectorish" is that I have already been told by a couple people that my kit looks too much like Boba's. I kinda worry if I try and make changes, it will look even more Boba-like and cause problems.

Anyway, I do not feel any need to join a brigade. My back story won't really fit into any of them very well anyway. I'm just looking at some options in case I get bored and decide to do some changes.

Any ideas? Thoughts?
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Sep 28, 2010, 07:25 PM
Dont feel as if you MUST join a brigade. There is no requirement to join one even if your armor is the poster child for that type of Brigade. If it's something you wish to do, then by all means, do so but, be prepared to have ot make armor changes if you don't already fit right in.

As for your kit, as you said, youre nearly a Heavy and a couple plate additions and you could be Heavy Assaut easily. However, doing so would certainly prevent you from being an MP as well. Although my new paint apps are dead on MP, my armor type and coverage clearly isnt. However, if you set you armor up so it's modular like Novall's, and like Im working on to a degree with mine, you could be an MP or a HA depending on what youre wearing that day.

Are you an MP? Well, as it stands when I look at your kit, I really don't see anything else. Intentional or not, other than members in Boba armor we have here, I think you have one of teh most clearly MP kits in the club. Now, your knee's and shoulders aren't yellow, your flightsuit is black... whatever. I guess ultimatly it's the Council or Novall and Slades or/and the MO members decision to make. But, to say your kit isn't an MP to me defeats what an MP is. As it is, without any changes.
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Post by: Slade Kel on Sep 28, 2010, 08:37 PM
As A'den said, the brigades are optional, all around. You could have the most perfect representation of a set brigade's kit and there would be nothing obligating you to join it. I don't know why someone wouldn't join a brigade if they fit, but it'd be their choice.

That said, personally, I don't see anything wrong with considering your kit an MP, Bedlam. I don't have all the comic issues featured the MPs on-hand, but in the reference pics just in this thread there are a few frames with them depicted in wholly green armor, save for the visor trim, and I recall at least one image of Fenn Shysa with silver knees. Granted, there's argument that the all green, even green flight suits, were artistic errors perpetuated by other artists, but they're still reference-able and loosely canon, so I'm inclined to accept them.
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Post by: Mandalore the Uniter on Sep 29, 2010, 07:20 AM
I remember a conversation that I had with Karen a couple years ago over MP's and why they were painted similar colors.  Her take on it was that they all may not have had the exact same matching patterns, but that the armor was colored similarly to let people know what group they were part of.

So I don't see the need to have to match Boba, Tobbi, or Fenn 100% as long as your kit has a majority of colors that would make someone think "Mandalorian Protector" when they look at it.
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Post by: BedlamX on Sep 29, 2010, 08:42 AM
Main reason I even asked was that I really need to strip and repaint the knees. The paint is starting to crack off the rubber a little too much to hide with battle damage and weathering, so they need a complete repaint. I figured if I needed to repaint them anyway, why not go for a more traditional MP color since the back story has the guy being a former MP. Got my airbrush up and working again, so I can use acrylics to try and keep the cracking to a minimum and let me mix up whatever colors I want to use. Guess I'll have to whip out my crappy photoshop skills and do some mock-ups of the different yellows to see how off it looks to me. I may also see how they look in the burgundy I used for the stripes. I already have some good acrylic in the approximate color of the plates that I mixed up for the back of the gloves if I decide to go back more or less with what I have now.

Thanks for the input, guys. While I don't feel a need to join one, I kinda like the idea of the brigades, so wanted to see if I could tweak my kit for a better fit into one. Since the majority think it fits with the MPs now, I think I would have fun in the Canon Brigade. I'll probably do some work after our photo shoot this weekend and see what I can come up with. Hopefully, I'll have the character story fleshed out in the next couple weeks, too.

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Post by: Kel Toi on Oct 09, 2010, 02:59 PM
Just an update , im ready for the re-paint to MP colours , i will have a new back plate , knee's and gaunts on monday and bucket in a couple of weeks , here are a pic of the colours im using -

(http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad159/Kel-Toi/New%20Mando/DSC00310.jpg)
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Post by: GreatSkyRiver Falco on Oct 09, 2010, 04:06 PM
EV-O-LU-TION!  It only gets better. 8)
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Post by: Dar'manda on Oct 14, 2010, 05:02 AM
A'den, does this comply?  ;D

(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc226/redroyalguard/Mandalorians/DSC_0042s.jpg)

Most people would say it's Boba, but the pouches and grenades are Ge'tal's. I use different pouches for my Boba armor.  ;)
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Oct 14, 2010, 10:17 AM
Yes it does!
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Post by: Dar'manda on Oct 14, 2010, 12:21 PM
Yes it does!

Yeay! I'm a Mandalorian Protector! :D
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Oct 14, 2010, 03:40 PM
that looks great ca'tal!
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Post by: Peregrinus on Oct 17, 2010, 08:58 PM
A'den or Kal... Woudl one of y'all move the Fenn Shysa's canon appearance (http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=20359.0) thread into this section? There's a lot of useful info in it that would be useful here...

--Jonah
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Oct 17, 2010, 09:59 PM
A'den or Kal... Woudl one of y'all move the Fenn Shysa's canon appearance (http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=20359.0) thread into this section? There's a lot of useful info in it that would be useful here...

--Jonah

Done and done!

How's your Protector coming along Jonah?
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Post by: Peregrinus on Oct 18, 2010, 02:42 AM
Slowly. I've been so frustrated by life lately, I've been focussing on weapons. >_>

--Jonah
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Post by: Kel Toi on Oct 19, 2010, 01:54 PM
I am thinking of mounting a jango westar to my gaunt instead of a rocket , i have seen a pic of this somewhere and cant find the pic again  :( , would this still be ok for a MP ?
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Post by: Peregrinus on Oct 19, 2010, 04:09 PM
Don't see why not. Fenn Shysa had his blasters on his gaunts...

--Jonah
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Post by: Kel Toi on Oct 19, 2010, 05:10 PM
The rubie westar barrel would fit a treat and hooking up the electronic's would be easy , thought's ?
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Post by: Kel Toi on Nov 02, 2010, 03:35 PM
Nice ,  ;)
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Post by: Mullreel on Nov 02, 2010, 03:58 PM
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1060/5140101777_cb13e72132_z.jpg)

what happened to the sock?
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Post by: BedlamX on Nov 02, 2010, 04:01 PM
OK...finally got a pic of my armor with the new paint. So, as if I didn't get enough "Hey Boba!" comments, here is the latest version. The yellow paint is MUCH better at handling the flex of the rubber knees.

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y277/BedlamX/Mando/DSCN1687.jpg)

Since we were hanging out downtown and bar-hopping, I decided to leave the back pack at the hotel. I need to make an extra hose for the flamer to just stick into the back plate and a short magazine for the mini-gun for times I just don't wanna wear the back pack.
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Post by: Darman_Skirata on Nov 02, 2010, 04:26 PM
im loving these MPs being completed!!!! cant wait to complete mine now :D
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Nov 02, 2010, 07:05 PM
Bedlam... brutha you rock!

Ca'tal... Try it on!
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Post by: Kel Toi on Nov 02, 2010, 07:11 PM
I second that ! Bedlam you rock ner'vod  ;D
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Post by: Remo Jadd on Nov 03, 2010, 09:12 AM
that kit is looking supreme, bedlam ner vod  ;)
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Post by: BedlamX on Nov 04, 2010, 10:28 AM
Thanks, guys. I really didn't think I would like the yellow very much when I started. But after getting it all put together, it kinda grew on me quick. And I put the knees through the wringer on Saturday night with no cracks in the paint, so really happy with that.

OK, Ca'tal...time for your pics to go up ;D
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Nov 04, 2010, 12:40 PM
I really didn't think I would like the yellow very much when I started. But after getting it all put together, it kinda grew on me quick.

Same with me!

OK, Ca'tal...time for your pics to go up ;D

This lol  ;D
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Nov 04, 2010, 01:00 PM
Youre killing us! Youre a tease! LMAO!
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Nov 10, 2010, 03:33 PM
...
...
...

I hate you...

J/K  8)

Helmet looks great, I seriously cannot wait to see this thing together, complete or not!
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Post by: Kel Toi on Nov 10, 2010, 03:47 PM
Love the bucket Ca'tal  ;) nice weathering .
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Post by: BedlamX on Nov 10, 2010, 06:09 PM
Diggin the bucket.

But you are killin us with the teaser pics, dude. We need more  :P
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Nov 11, 2010, 12:23 PM
Look en gud!
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Post by: Kel Toi on Nov 11, 2010, 03:45 PM
NICE ! i need to get my finger out and finish mines  :P
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Post by: Kel Toi on Nov 15, 2010, 05:27 PM
http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=31340.0

Got more done on my Protector  ;D i got the finger out  ;D
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Post by: Ca'tal on Nov 16, 2010, 03:56 PM
Still not quite done...but it was wearable.

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4147/5182228129_2627bf9d0b_m.jpg)
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Post by: Mullreel on Nov 16, 2010, 04:05 PM
cool......................I am liking it
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Post by: Ca'tal on Nov 16, 2010, 04:21 PM
Yeah, the vest is a bit big, and I had a couple grommets rip through. I didn't have knees or spats, which was annoying, and as you can see the left gaunt was bare. All these things will be fixed soon and a holster added as well.
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Nov 16, 2010, 04:41 PM
It's a WIP man, it looks great so far. No doubts it will be phenominal when it's complete! Keep us photographically updated (  ;) )
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Post by: BedlamX on Nov 16, 2010, 04:43 PM
What he said.

Vest is an easy fix and you are already working on the other things. You'll get them done and the kit will fall together nicely ;D
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Post by: Spanner Murraan on Nov 16, 2010, 04:59 PM
Vest is an easy fix

You do know a professional....
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Post by: Kel Toi on Nov 16, 2010, 05:27 PM
Looks great Ca'tal  ;)
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Post by: Dutch508 on Nov 23, 2010, 12:13 PM
After looking through all the pages here, this is what I am going to build to.

This weekend I start on the flight suit.
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Post by: Kel Toi on Nov 27, 2010, 07:33 AM
This is a test fit , sorry the pics are low Q .
(http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad159/Kel-Toi/DSC00397.jpg)
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Post by: Spanner Murraan on Nov 27, 2010, 10:56 AM
That looks really well done, KT. 

Good proportion, good color choices, and it all fits very nicely.
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Post by: Kel Toi on Nov 27, 2010, 11:12 AM
Thanks Spanner  ;D just started the new gaunts . wip up soon  ;)
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Post by: Jare Hasan on Dec 15, 2010, 02:06 PM
This could go here or in the True Mandos section...but I'll just stick it here for now.

My kit upgrade.  All my own vac-formed armor, except the helmet, which is an Asok.
Just have to sew up the vest, pull my backplate, put together my jetpack, and finish my shoes.  I have gloves, but they're not pictured.

(http://headhuntersquad.com/newkit1.jpg)
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Post by: Kel Toi on Dec 15, 2010, 02:10 PM
DUDE ! get inside that armour  ;D looking great  ;)
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Post by: Jare Hasan on Dec 15, 2010, 02:16 PM
Thanks, Kel.  It looks a lot more high speed in the picture than it does in person, IMO.

Can't wait to get it finished so I can start on more projects.
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Post by: Kel Toi on Dec 15, 2010, 02:27 PM
Jare ! ye are too modest mate , that is brilliant . I just hope mines turns out half as good .
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Dec 15, 2010, 07:28 PM
Looks wonderful!
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Post by: Darman_Skirata on Jan 03, 2011, 06:20 PM
Ok for this year ill be building my MP  ;D
i got all the armour pieces and bucket but before i start, i need a scheme.

So today i decided to draw my MP *and practice with my new pen tablet  ;) * and ive come up with 4 schemes:

(http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq60/Starspear/JodoFigurescheme.jpg)

Above is what i call the "Jodo Kast Figure" scheme, similar to the scheme on the figure shown earlier on in the thread

(http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq60/Starspear/Bluescheme.jpg)

^ is a scheme similar to Kel Toi Skirata's kit, he said its ok, plus MPs are supposed to look similar in ways, as me and KT maybe the first UK MPs in the Mercs

(http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq60/Starspear/Bardanscheme.jpg)

^ This is what i call the "Bardan Jusik" scheme which i got the idea from various drawings of Bardan

And lastly:
(http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq60/Starspear/Redscheme.jpg)

The Boba/ Traditional MP colour scheme.

So which one should i go for so i can start my MP *and post the decided scheme in my art thread ;) *
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Post by: Kel Toi on Jan 03, 2011, 06:28 PM
Your getting good wi that tablet mate , i like the blue  ;)
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Jan 03, 2011, 06:44 PM
I like 1 or 3, 2 is great but, with Kel being in the same clan and having essentially the same scheme it would be cool to break it up. 4's great too but, it's too Boba to me.
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Jan 15, 2011, 03:12 PM
My son has gone from DeathWatch (Pre Vizsla) to Mandalorian Protector...

(http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx161/AdenSkirata/100_0066.jpg)
(http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx161/AdenSkirata/100_0067.jpg)
(http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx161/AdenSkirata/100_0068.jpg)
(http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx161/AdenSkirata/100_0070.jpg)
(http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx161/AdenSkirata/100_0065.jpg)
(http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx161/AdenSkirata/100_0071.jpg)
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Post by: Klyn Voddher on Feb 08, 2011, 09:50 AM
That's a really nice kit. I wish my dad would have made me a beskar'gam when i was younger.  ;D

But now i got my own and thought i'd leave it just in the right place:

(http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx161/AdenSkirata/Mercs%20App/DSC03778-2000.jpg)
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Post by: Kel Toi on Feb 08, 2011, 10:54 AM
Congrats again Klyn  ;) and A'den your wee mando looks great  ;)
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Post by: Ca'tal on Mar 06, 2011, 02:26 PM
Teaser...


(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5259/5503527520_3c0be9c0ca.jpg)
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Post by: Gesai Primax on Mar 06, 2011, 10:43 PM
Sweet Ca'tal! Is that one of Fettronics' new light boards?
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Post by: Ca'tal on Mar 06, 2011, 11:29 PM
It is indeed. V3 3 stage. It's sweeeeeet.
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Post by: Kebii'tra Verda on Mar 07, 2011, 06:40 AM
Okay, it's been a while since I've contributed to this thread.

I've thought about changing my primary color from the dark hammered metal to a kelly green. I'm going to keep the gold and silver highlights. I don't have it finished yet because I have a few more additions I want to put on it, like a backpack (which I know I could add later) and I'll post up my work here in a few days.

David.
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Post by: Ca'tal on Mar 23, 2011, 10:34 AM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5228/5553244744_604b1aed45.jpg)

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Post by: Dar'manda on Apr 04, 2011, 03:02 AM
Ok, so I'm committing a forum foul here, but I just couldn't make it through the 16 pages of replies.  I made it to page four though....

So I see you guys are all in agreement to the JPs being mostly green with yellow shoulders and knees. (comic and toy style) but I'm sure somewhere in there you leave things alittle more open.  Here is the food for thought I have on this with a question.  So I guess I am to assume that before Boba joined the JPs he had all yellow armor?  I base this on the chipping on the plates.  Under the green is yellow and under that is the bare metal and/or silver.  It's the exact same shade as the left shoulder and knees.  The damage is seen even on the back and cod.  The right has the more orange color.

So chronologically, I guess it goes that he painted Jango's or a one of his spare sets from silver to yellow.  Then joins the JPs and just has to paint the chest pieces, cod and back green.  The gaunts are likely painted green too, despite the slightly different color.  Somewhere along the line he paints or acquires the orange shoulder.  Then for his ROTJ escapades, he switches the left gaunt or both and they get painted red.  I'm not going into jetpacks.  I'll also assume that the dark gray is primer or something.

The helmet has hints of the past too.  The main parts are pretty clear cut, since it's just really the green and red with silver base.  There is some of that dark gray again too.  On the back panel is the interesting part.  The green is brighter and not only is the dark gray seen, but also a "cement" and "cream" colors.

I just wanted to bring it up to those who have not noticed.  I just always figured at one point in time Boba was all yellow.  Maybe that was the previous owners color, who knows.  Some things are best left a mystery.
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Peregrinus on Apr 04, 2011, 05:35 AM
We definitely know Boba's armor has a past. I've always considered the yellow to be a primer coat. It is the exact shade of zinc chromate metal primer -- which is what I have for mine. There are other, oranger layers of yellow over that on the shoulders and knees.

Since the helmet was painted separately from the armor, they didn't follow the same plan. Joe Johnston intended the different shades of red and green in their respective areas to be indicative of oxidized outer layers being chipped away to expose fresher paint underneath. Then I consider the light and medium grays of the earcaps and main helmet, repsectively, to be their own primer coats... which again is what I have for mine -- Rust-Oleum's self-etching (darker) and clean metal (very light) gray primers.

Since the helmet is probably the most important piece of kit a Mando has, and Boba's is so much more weathered than his armor, I like to think he's had it longer, and the body armor is a later supplemental or replacement set. After all, he has two different sets of gauntlets (at least -- more if we consider some of the pre-production or animated versions) in different colors. And the helmet's probably been repainted a couple times, too (although, apparantly, not since he got that crater knocked out of his dome).

--Jonah
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dar'manda on Apr 04, 2011, 12:36 PM
I realize the real world reasons why and what what done, but I was looking at it as in universe. 
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Slade Kel on Apr 04, 2011, 12:43 PM
Technically, in-'verse, Boba didn't become an MP until decades after he wore his current colors. He had been wearing green armor with yellow and red trim for many years before taking over from Fenn Shysa as mand'alor. If I remember correctly, it also wasn't until years after that happened that he reformed the mandalorian protectors, and when he did, he did not require them to repaint their armor, though some did so for tradition's sake.

I don't recall ever coming across any literature or comic book actually detailing his getting the armor he wore up to and through the movies, but presumably it was already painted in the MP color scheme when he obtained it.
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dar'manda on Apr 04, 2011, 01:03 PM
I wasn't talking so much about the yellow knees and shoulder as I am the clear indication of all his armor being the same yellow.  It's never referred to in fiction and I guess they used it because it's a nice color contrast to the green.  I just never hear anyone talk about the yellow chest plates.
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Slade Kel on Apr 04, 2011, 01:06 PM
Huh, now that you mention it, I don't think I've ever heard anyone talk about it either. I think it's probably because he's never shown (or at least I've never seen or heard of him) wearing just yellow. Going by the weathering though, you're right that it stands to reason that at some point the armor was all yellow, or at least the chest plates were.
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dar'manda on Apr 04, 2011, 01:27 PM
I'm sure alot of it is that most people are unaware of the yellow around the damage points.  Leave it to us costumers, huh.  But of course we have all developed backstories and stuff based on these small details. 
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Apr 04, 2011, 02:05 PM
Well, remember Holiday Special and Droids Boba Fett... STG is working on that version of Boba and he believes the yellow is the same shade seen in the weathering on others.

Who really knows?  It will likely never be written but, perhaps he repainted the armro based on mood, feeling favorite color at the time etc. Also, in OS, Jango wear the green and yellow armor with the red trimemd visor, perhaps that's where it came from? We know from the EU he has mulitple sets and different mission specific accessories too. That would further explain the visual differences in ROTJ, ESB and the SE Boba Fett's.
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Peregrinus on Apr 04, 2011, 07:33 PM
*shrug* I was looking at it in in-universe terms, recognizing real-world variance to justify a possible explanation. To me, his helmet's the only original part of his kit left, which was primered dark gray. The left and right earcaps (which are separate pieces that cover the electronic components of the helmets a/v system) got their own primer coats -- light gray for the left maybe indicating it was a replacement cover piece.

The back skirting has so much paint wear, it's possible he repainted that once before, primering it with a different shade (the concrete gray), and that's just been that badly beaten up again. Or it might be the other way around -- that the concrete is the original primer color for the helmet, and he's left that as-is for some reason but repainted the rest at some point, hence less paint damage. Possibilities.

The fact that all the rest of his armor has the same chromate-yellow undercoat makes that a shoe-in for a zinc chromate primer coat, to me, and that it's one of the several sets of armor he has on hand. It might be his original set repainted. It might be a scavenged or purchased supplemental set.

Technically, in-'verse, Boba didn't become an MP until decades after he wore his current colors.

We're talking about the stuff about Boba being a Journeyman Protector years ago before being exiled/leaving, along with Fenn Shysa and Tobbi Dala or just around the same time as them (what with the whole Spar retcon). Shysa reformed the Protectors after the fall of the Empire, and it isn't stated yet post-Legacy of the Force if Boba takes over leading that organization or not.

I'm sure alot of it is that most people are unaware of the yellow around the damage points.

Which is why I recommend plowing through the accumulated research on the Dented Helmet for insights into the minutiæ of Boba's or Jango's costumes. I've got Lee Malone's painstakingly-researched list of the original paints used and the damage pattern templates to go from for my Fenn Shysa/Protector armor. I've mentioned the zinc chromate primer idea on here a few times, too. *shrug*

I'll take a picture this evening and post it of bottles of the "Reefer Yellow" (the base coat for the shoulders and knees) next to "Zinc Chromate" (which was the paint for the scratches on the rest of the torso armor). They're so identical as to make no difference. The one's a railroad enamel, as were the other two yellows used on the shoulders and knees, and the other's a military enamel, as was the green used for the rest of the torso plates. I've mentally raised an eyebrow at that palette split, but...

Since zinc chromate is used as a metal primer, it just makes sense to me. As does the use of other common metal primers for the helmet. I imagine zinc chromate is as useful a protectant for durasteel in-universe as it is for regular steel and aluminum out here in the real world...

--Jonah
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Peregrinus on Apr 04, 2011, 07:40 PM
Also, in OS, Jango wear the green and yellow armor with the red trimemd visor, perhaps that's where it came from? We know from the EU he has mulitple sets and different mission specific accessories too.

My only problem with that is that Tem Morrison is 5'7" and Jeremy Bulloch at the time of ESB was 6'1". Jango's helmet is also visibly smaller than Boba's. Boba might have worn Jango's armor, refitted to him, when he was a teenager, but he would've outgrown it well before ESB. And Jango's original helmet was lightsabered in half by Mace Windu during the Clone Wars, even if it were the right size...

--Jonah
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Slade Kel on Apr 04, 2011, 07:52 PM
If I recall, didn't he not wear armor while a Journeyman Protector? Wasn't that his whole attempt at a real life thing? Especially given that JPs were not technically affiliated with the mandalorians as a whole?
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Apr 04, 2011, 07:54 PM
That's out of universe in it's explanation. In universe, Boba is Jango's clone. So likely he'd be closer to the right size. Jango was explained in KT's books as being stunted because he was malnurished as a child. Boba led a hard life post Jango's death. Whether he would have fulfilled his full genetic potential is unknown. The amror's were built for their wearers, not the story per se.

Also, we know it's a different helmet now but, the armor... the old green armor could be the same. We know the silver armor is different.
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Peregrinus on Apr 05, 2011, 01:48 AM
FIrst, as promised, the picture. I was off a bit. It was "UP Armor Yellow", not "Reefer Yellow", that was nearly identical to the "Zinc Chromate".

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/DSC00040.jpg)

Regarding Boba's height versus Jango, what's on the screen takes precendence. In EMpire Strikes Back, Boba Fet and all cues around him will peg him at ~6'1", while all visual cues and other actors, etc., in Attack of the Clones will peg Jango at ~5'7". Since that's how tall the actors were/are, that's how tall the characters were/are. Up to us to find a way to justify it. Just cuz they're clones doesn't mean they're going to grow up the same. Look at identical twins. The malnourishment thing was created specifically to explain why Jango was so much shorter than his clone son.

Back on track...

If I recall, didn't he not wear armor while a Journeyman Protector? Wasn't that his whole attempt at a real life thing? Especially given that JPs were not technically affiliated with the mandalorians as a whole?

I still don't know where this whole Journeyman Protector =/= Mandalorian Protector thing came from. Just because Jango's father was shown not wearing armor on Concord Dawn whilst working the farm? Heck, even Kal SKirata didn't wear his armor all the time when on Mandalore.

'Sides, here's the illustration of the holo referenced in the books, of Boba and Sintas and baby Ailyn:

(http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/9/9a/BobaAndFamily.jpg)

And that was when Boba was a Protector.

--Jonah
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: BedlamX on Apr 05, 2011, 03:51 PM
Someone lemme know when we get this thread back to simply working on armor that looks somewhat the part of "Protectors". Just can't take the constant arguing about fictional characters and who is "right" about things that really have little specific info and gets changed every time some other author gets hold of the characters and retcons them to fit their story.

Just show me some cool armor people are doing...I'm a pretty simple dude.
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Apr 05, 2011, 03:51 PM
touche'
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Peregrinus on Apr 05, 2011, 04:00 PM
As far as the onscreen height stuff, what you're explaining are mechanics of filim making, not in universe reasoning. With Episode II the in universe reasoning is that Boba is a clone of Jango. Boba and Jango don't really appear on screen with many or any of the same characters so using relative height comparisons with actors is out. The actor selected to play Boba was simply too old and didnt have the "look" they wanted for Jango and the clones. Tem got the part but happened to be shorter. Since all the realistic height comparisons aren't in universe related it's easy to look past.

So... The Canon Brigade is supposed to ignore a canon source... :P The films are primary source material. The EU has to be in compliance with what's shown in them. We can't ignore something in the films just because it's inconvenient. No, I don't think Stormtroopers' armour is held together with gaffer's tape, but they are different heights. One of them did bonk his head on a door. Et cetera. We see too much of that through the Original Trilodgy to ignore it. Boba stood next to Vader too often to try to claim he's six inches shorter than he is. The actors' heights are the characters' heights. Has always been so, and still is. All Eu sources that mention it peg Boba at just over six feet, and Jango in the 5'7" to 5'8" range.

I utterly fail to see why a clone has to end up exactly identical to their host. That's not how reality works. (I know, bringing reality into things again...) They have different life experience, different nutirtional and gravitational and viral and bacteriological and radiological exposures, triggering different genes at different times to different degrees... Boba had good, steady, regular meals and top-shelf medical care up until he was nine. If he continued eating well through his teens, he ought to end up taller than Jango easily. I'll even allow for him to look identical to Jango facially, as well as the other clones, even though that likely wouldn't happen either -- that's explicitly shown in the films, so I can't dismiss it.

--Jonah
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Peregrinus on Apr 05, 2011, 04:01 PM
Someone lemme know when we get this thread back to simply working on armor that looks somewhat the part of "Protectors". Just can't take the constant arguing about fictional characters and who is "right" about things that really have little specific info and gets changed every time some other author gets hold of the characters and retcons them to fit their story.

Just show me some cool armor people are doing...I'm a pretty simple dude.

Sorry, Bedlam. As I said, I feel strongly about it. *heh* :-X

--Jonah
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kebii'tra Verda on Apr 05, 2011, 04:20 PM
As a costuming club, there has to be a point where you find a line you don't cross because to do so would a) cause people to get uterly confused as to what is and isn't right, making them lose interest in ever trying to achieve a CRL-passable costume, or b) you piss people off to the point of them thinking we are elite-ist in our thinking that only a select few will ever reach "our" standards.

I'm not saying you don't have a valid point, P, but the fact is we are a fan group trying to make sense of the politics of a story that is constantly evolving. Sometimes to stay current we need to just go with the proverbial flow since we didn't come up with the initial story in the first place. This is by all intents and purposes, still Uncle George's property and at any point he could tell us all to bugger off.

However, the fans, in turn, have put him at a quandary because we, the fans, have come up with so much source material that sounded good at the time and flowed with current thinking. Now that the PT is complete and we have a canon source for the origins of Bobo Fett and the clones, yes the rest of it is still up to interpretation by the fans. But, the fact remains that Uncle George can change it any time he wants.

As fans, if we love the original concept of the story, we will stick with it and try to have it make sense to us. But only those that think Lucas "owes" us something for sticking with him so long will be the ones offended and walk away when things don't go our way.

Again, we are fans stuck in the middle. If we can't handle that, maybe we should hang it all up and call it a day.

"Nuff said...now can we please get on with life? :P

David.
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Peregrinus on Apr 05, 2011, 04:25 PM
I suppose, after the sidebar, the short answer is:

Yes, that armor could have been painted yellow as it's primary color at some point. We have never seen any Protectors (of any stripe) wearing yellow armor, though. Only green. I'd call that the primer coat. There are other possible explanations, but that's the simplest.

--Jonah
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Peregrinus on Apr 05, 2011, 04:31 PM
As a costuming club, there has to be a point where you find a line you don't cross because to do so would a) cause people to get uterly confused as to what is and isn't right, making them lose interest in ever trying to achieve a CRL-passable costume, or b) you piss people off to the point of them thinking we are elite-ist in our thinking that only a select few will ever reach "our" standards.

Enh. Not even talking about standards. This is a nomencalture argument. *heh* Like how a Biker Scout wouldn't get passed as a Stormtrooper, it's kinda important to know if Journeyman Protectors and Mandalorian Protectors are the same group or not, have the same uniform or not, whether that's changed over time or not... Like the Magma Trooper issue I mentioned above. Nailing down what's so can sometimes get murky when dealing wiht non-film sources. All the comics and novels and magazine articles are up to the author's/artist's interpretation. We can't just point to a movie still photo and say "see?".

Quote
"Nuff said...now can we please get on with life? :P

Yeah. I said my piece (boy howdy, did I). Back to showing off our green armor. :P

--Jonah
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ca'tal on Apr 05, 2011, 08:34 PM
I'd have to agree with Slade's thoughts. I'd even go so far as to say that perhaps green was a JP thing adopted later by the MP's as a way to honor the JP's who helped found them. Again just my supposition.
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Jare Hasan on Apr 05, 2011, 10:45 PM

Just show me some cool armor people are doing...I'm a pretty simple dude.

For example...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/chumpgoalie/jarecatal.jpg)
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Apr 05, 2011, 10:47 PM
This thread is getting dangerously close to being locked. Several have asked for it to stop and it hasn't so now, Im ordering it to stop. I am all for this discussion and quite enjoy it to be honest but, this is not the place for it! Take it to a Keldabe Lounge thread please.
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Peregrinus on Apr 06, 2011, 02:34 AM
"Shutting up, sir." ;)

--Jonah
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kebii'tra Verda on Apr 06, 2011, 06:55 AM
To save the info already discussed, is it possible for a mod to split this topic and put all discussion/non--topic-relevant posts in a new thread in the Lounge? I know it's a big task, however...it would certainly clean this one up and get it back to the topic at hand, saving us from having to wade through tons of stuff not needed in this thread.

David.
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dar'manda on Apr 06, 2011, 12:26 PM
I only asked about the yellow because isn't this to determine what the JPs look like? 

I offered up Boba's yellow because maybe he had other than green while as a JP, maybe it's a rank thing. 



But I do see how you would want some of the posts moved.
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kebii'tra Verda on Apr 06, 2011, 12:35 PM
Well, that's all I'm saying. I'm all for discussing what we've each seen where and coming up with a reasonable set of standards for JP/MP's to follow, like color variations in comics vs. descriptions in novels. In the end, it's all up to the Brigadier and the Approval Team to decide what will and won't be accepted for this specific sub-group.

Until then, I'd rather not have to surf through a doctoral thesis of opinion to get to one viable nugget of information. :)

David.
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ca'tal on Apr 06, 2011, 12:36 PM
Agreed. What this thread needs is more pictures.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Slade Kel on Apr 06, 2011, 02:36 PM
Okay, I split out the discussion regarding the differences or similarities of Mandalorian and Journeyman Protectors. For now, I'm going to suggest not worrying about whether or not they're the same or separate. We'll try to keep this discussion to the armor colors and configuration of the Mandalorian Protectors.

I left a few posts here because of information relevant to the color discussion.
Title: Re: Mandalorian/Journeyman Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: BedlamX on Apr 06, 2011, 04:12 PM
For example...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v480/chumpgoalie/jarecatal.jpg)

Now dat's what I'm talkin bout  ;D
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ca'tal on Apr 06, 2011, 05:25 PM
Dem's some good lookin' Mandos.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kel Toi on Apr 27, 2011, 02:07 PM
Thought i would post this in here now that its Official  ;D
(http://i931.photobucket.com/albums/ad159/Kel-Toi/DSC00750.jpg)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: GreatSkyRiver Falco on Apr 27, 2011, 03:45 PM
awesome Kel!.


please dont lock this thread, I'm just starting my kriffing MP and dont want to be late to the party :'(
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Slade Kel on Apr 27, 2011, 10:08 PM
The thread isn't likely to be locked GSR. A couple of us did get a little out of hand debating, but the Mandalorian Protectors will continue to, well, keep on protectin' ;).

Also, well done Kel ;D.
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Post by: Kel Toi on Apr 28, 2011, 01:50 AM
Cheers ner'vode  ;)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Rabbit on Jun 22, 2011, 09:39 PM
Because of my personal military background, the Mandalorian Protectors have a certain appeal to them, as I consider my character background and so forth...

Though, I have a question about the armor style... The MPs are listed as being in Legacy Era as well, so does that open the door for Legacy Era-style armor? That's the style I'm planning for my kit, because it will probably work best with my body build and because the "traditional" T-visor has a strong potential for making me feel claustrophobic (I get extremely uncomfortable with a limited field of vision, so the "wedge" shaped visors on the Legacy Era stuff is more appealing).
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Mullreel on Jun 22, 2011, 10:00 PM
Here is my take so far.

(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4047/img8274l.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/8/img8274l.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)
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Post by: Hondo Karr on Jun 22, 2011, 10:54 PM
Coming together Mullreel!

And Rabbit, welcome to the boards! While in the comics the vast majority of the Mandalorians in the Legacy issue wore colors associated with the Mandalorian Protectors, they were never named as such in the comic. Because of that, the decision made by the Mand'alor, the Brigidier (sp) and the general consensus of the members is the Legacy Mando's do not count as Mandalorian Protectors.

We do a have Legacy subboard if you'd like to pop in there and see what folks have done and share your idea.

The good news is, if you want to build a Legacy Mando with the armor coverage seen in the comics, you can still join a brigade... the Assault Brigade's Heavy Division is always looking for a few good men and women.

As for your Legacy armor, there are printable, sizeable templates to make some of the armor in the Legacy boards, Forge Props make nearly the full armor for sale and some guy around here resin casts the Hondo Karr and standard style Mando helmets as well.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Slade Kel on Jun 23, 2011, 09:12 AM
the Brigidier (sp)

Brigadier ;D.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jun 26, 2011, 02:30 PM
Well, looks like I found my home thread :rolleyes:
You see, my local vode and I are all basicly mandalorian protectors but in a dquad like in RC with the demolitions guy, slier/mechanic guy, squad sargeant, and the sniper/stealth. Would I still be considered a protector if I were the mechanics guy?  We've all agreed to using the same Krylon Camo specialty O.D. green base btw-just to fit in with the general Protector (olours. I'll be in my armour thread psoting my new colour scheme for now.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ca'tal on Jul 03, 2011, 08:06 PM
Newest pic of the kit. Still waiting on MoW to get some boba style boots in, and want better spats. Also planning on adding half sleeves and shin pockets for tools.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5035/5899025120_ce65d44f65_z.jpg)
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Post by: Darman_Skirata on Jul 19, 2011, 07:17 AM
OK guys I'm going to be focusing more on my MP now than my Darman so here's where I'm at:

- Got helmet but needs priming and painting also need to buy T visor and install it.
- Most likely use my Boba gaunts in this build just waiting for answers in my Darman thread.
- Got chest armour but need to buy ( or make) collar and need to buy backplate
- Got knees and shins but need painting
- And I'll be using most if not all soft parts from my Darman for now (But I will probably make a new vest)

This will be a slow-ish build as I also need to save up spending money for holiday in Florida this Oct :P
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: JR on Jul 27, 2011, 11:43 PM
I am just starting my first kit with my first armor party this coming Saturday. I am using the "Jango_Fett__Armor_X_Large" template and I am going to order a bucket from DeltaSquadBoss soon. The reason I am posting here is that I want to make sure I am on the path to becoming a Mandalorian Protector.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Jul 28, 2011, 12:58 AM
The main tie to the Protector is color... mid green base with either red, yellow (orange) or blue as the primary accent color. Use the typical Fett style armor.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: JR on Jul 28, 2011, 01:24 AM
My colors are slightly off from that, but I think they fit in with the photos I see here.
Here's my WIP: http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=39188.msg554355#msg554355
The first post has my colors using the MandoMaker.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Jul 28, 2011, 01:26 AM
those colors will keep you from being what is canonly defined and recognized as a Mandalorian Protector. the colors are their defining characteristic.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: JR on Jul 28, 2011, 01:31 AM
I have the green and the red colors. The only difference is the brown suit, but I think I have seen it in some of the photos in this thread.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kora on Jul 28, 2011, 01:52 AM
The pic looks like you have tan armor unless there's another picture that's missing. Like Falin said, Protectors use green as the base color. Visor trim, gauntlets, knees, and shoulders tend to be one of the highlight colors (blue, yellow/orange, red).
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: JR on Jul 28, 2011, 01:57 AM
You're right. I was thinking about my belt, the green on my bucket, and the collar.

Is there any other cannon group that I would fit in better with than the Protectors?

Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jul 28, 2011, 08:45 AM
Well you could still be in the mechanic's brigade?
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: JR on Jul 28, 2011, 09:15 AM
Well you could still be in the mechanic's brigade?

I agree! In fact I already have the entire Technical Brigade forum set to notify me of new posts. I have a tool obsession.
Here's my Master Plan:
1. Create a CRL kit to get approved as an Official Mando
2. Mod it to fit the Technical Brigade standards for a Droid Mechanic / Combat Engineer
3. Continue to make it look more Cannon while maintaining an unique look - This step will never be completely finished
4. ? ? ?
5. Profit   :D  
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jul 28, 2011, 12:12 PM
Profit seems to be confusing w/out step 4 ???

I too am in the mechanics brigade, but I'm the squad techie so I go in both Mandalorian protectors' brigade and mechanics'brigade.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Jul 28, 2011, 12:18 PM
Ok problem solved... back to topic  8)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jul 28, 2011, 12:28 PM
If any1 copys me, I will go weres waldo on your -censored-.

Ok, soI wanted something difrent than the reguler mandalorian protector colour layout. And I came up with this. Were can I get dark red Chrome tint for a visor?
(http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz28/Dresdon_Acacin/mymandomakerhelmat.jpg)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Jul 28, 2011, 12:40 PM
That won't work for a Protector. The black part needs to be red, yellow/ornage or blue.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kora on Jul 28, 2011, 06:01 PM
*chuckle* Yeah, Protectors (or any canon section) are probably not the place to be if you want to customize your colors a lot. That's why I have my normal stuff plus the Protector.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: JR on Jul 28, 2011, 06:04 PM
*chuckle* Yeah, Protectors (or any canon section) are probably not the place to be if you want to customize your colors a lot. That's why I have my normal stuff plus the Protector.

It's not like I am far off. I do have the required colors of green and red. I just have too much tan. But that's because my character is a techie and needs to blend in with the sand.

Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kora on Jul 28, 2011, 06:09 PM
Yes, but Protectors HAVE to be the aforementioned colors because otherwise they aren't Protectors.  The colors are their uniform and without that color set up it's just plain old mando. Which is what the rest of the club is for.  *chuckle*
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: JR on Jul 28, 2011, 06:20 PM
I am not denying that. I was saying that I was unsure at first because I do have the aforementioned colors, just not in the right amounts. I am trying to be clear that I agree with Falin Skirata. I was just saying at least I didn't want to join with colors that are completely different.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Jul 28, 2011, 06:24 PM
Right. if you look through this section and at the requirements, you will see there is no wiggle room.

Mandalorian Protectors don't have the canon status of G Canon mando's BUT, they are canon and well defined.

In every printed genre of Mandalorians, the "Militia Army" of Mandalore, when shown in action, have uniformity in armor design and color. There is little variance from one to the next. You see this with the Neo Crusader's, the True Mandalorians, The OS and TCW Deathwatch, the Mandalorian Protectors and the Legacy Mandalorians.

The green and armor design is a unifying part of the group. That is so they can recognize their team mates as it's not unlikely that they could be fighting Mercenary type Mando's on the opposite side. Their color and design designate them as team mates. The trim colors are indicitive of ranks. The red, yellow (or orange) and blue have meant diffrernt ranks over the course of the EU but, they are rank definitive. For the Protectors, the leader class has the red trim. The blue and yellow are less defined.

The ONLY place where there is wiggle room for color at all is teh secondary trim color, where you have the red on yours. It's not so much you have the wrong amounts, it's the placement.

Also, while note required, most/many Mandalorian Protectors are protrayed with white cheeks. The green is fine and perfectly acceptable but, white is common in the comic book reditions and is seen on action figures of Protector characters as well.

If you don't want to compromise your design for the canon design, the canon brigade is not the place for you.

Early on, I even had some issues with it but understood the decision made. My armor uses the colors of the Mandalorian Protectors and the Legacy Mando's. I wear Legacy armor. In Star Wars Legacy issue 41, the Mandalorians, functioning as a united military unit, wear the standardized colors fo the Mandalorian Protectors. however, it's never explicitly stated they call themselves Mandalorian Protectors. While it's implied based on consistencies with other EU material, it's not stated. So, although I wanted to be a MP, I couldn't technically class my armor such.

Any of the canon based costumes in this area are going to be very restrictive and they get very anal when you move into face characters, even those without a written CRL.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: JR on Jul 28, 2011, 06:35 PM
Right. if you look through this section and at the requirements, you will see there is no wiggle room.

When did I say there was? You are putting words in my mouth that I never said. Why is it so wrong to say "Oh well, I'm not going to make it in, but at least I didn't completely miss it"? Since when it is a bad thing to try to look on the bright side of things?
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Jul 28, 2011, 06:41 PM
No reason to get hostile. I didn't put any words in anyone's mouth. I simply offered an explanation.

As I said, canon costuming has much less freedoms than custom costuming.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: JR on Jul 28, 2011, 06:50 PM
Sorry, but you sounded hostile and I was trying to explain that I was not looking for wiggle room. I was asking if there was another canon group that my colors would fit into. I never said I didn't want to compromise any of my design for the canon design. So I don't know why you said the canon brigade is not the place for you. I was trying to say that for the kit I am currently working on, I want to use these colors, but I am willing to change anything else. You know much more about the differences in the different canon groups. I was trying to ask if these colors could be used in any of them?

Eventually I plan to make a kit for everyone of the canon groups. I was just asking if I could make this kit fit in any of the others?
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Jul 28, 2011, 07:17 PM
Gotcha. There really isn't a canon group the colors would go into.

Here are the True Mandalorians:
http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=30309.0

Tor Vizsla's Deathwatch:
http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=30315.0

The other groups would be the Clone Wars Death Watch and tha Mandalorian Protectors. Finally, the canon or face characters...
http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=11352.0
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jul 28, 2011, 09:32 PM
That won't work for a Protector. The black part needs to be red, yellow/ornage or blue.
OK, black visors look more intimidating to aroutyce anyways ;D

Heres my new version
(http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz28/Dresdon_Acacin/mandomakerhelmat2.jpg)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Jul 28, 2011, 09:48 PM
That works!
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jul 28, 2011, 10:02 PM
^-^     The gray parts are probably going to be either a battleship gray or a dull aluminum silver.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Gesai Primax on Jul 29, 2011, 08:41 PM
Are you repainting all of your kit to be a Protector?
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jul 29, 2011, 09:48 PM
Yep-and I'm keeeping the GodSword in my profile pic to go with my protector armour regardless.
(http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz28/Dresdon_Acacin/mandomakerhelmat2.jpg)
(http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz28/Dresdon_Acacin/mandomaker_me_4-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Gesai Primax on Aug 02, 2011, 10:29 AM
You heard Slade, let's move it here!
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 02, 2011, 10:37 AM
I think there is some good info here and I think you all will like what we've come up with.

As for requireing Fett gaunts, I am against that for the reasons of physical reference in Open Seasons and the Marvel Comics. Those are clearly not Fett style gaunts. they are much simpler. I think Fett style gaunts are great but, I support a custom gaunt if someone wants them.

As for the sigils. There will be a brigade sigil. However, canon face characters, even those without a current written CRL should adhere to the canon artwork. They get in based on being a canon face character, they don't need to take their kit out of compliance by adding a not neccesarily seen on them sigil.

Canon weapons will be required in the canon brigade. No Nerfs here sorry. Not only canon but, Era appropriate. In other words, if you're a True Mando, Clone blasters won't work. No E-11's etc. Your weapons should reflect the timeline your character is in.

Slade will be getting our preliminary requirement list up soon. Not sure if it will be set in stone or open to discussion, that's Slade's call but, I am sure that people will be primarily happy with them.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Aug 02, 2011, 10:42 AM
I'm already exited :D       Have there been any final desicians on the sgilis? I was thinking maybe a mandalorian helmat with 2 crossed blades or something.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 02, 2011, 10:47 AM
Canon brigades will be canon sigils. Each group will have it's own canon based sigil. They will go up with Slade's post.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Slade Kel on Aug 02, 2011, 11:04 AM
I will endeavor to get the MP, TM and both DW posts up as soon as humanly possible, however I work third shift and have now been up for approximately twenty-four hours, so I'm flagging a bit :P. I still have to sleep before heading to Mass for the night, then work tomorrow night. So I'll do my level best to get it all up sooner, but no later than Thursday by noon.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Jare Hasan on Aug 02, 2011, 11:25 AM
Is that premature?  I would've thought there would be more discussion...
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kel Toi on Aug 02, 2011, 12:25 PM
I think i might just go for a re-paint after all this . Cant be arsed , this is meant to be fun .
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ca'tal on Aug 02, 2011, 12:29 PM
Eh, I say wait and see what happens before getting our cods in a twist.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 02, 2011, 12:43 PM
Eh, I say wait and see what happens before getting our cods in a twist.

This

Not really something to get up in arms over. See where it leads and evaluate then. Paint apps don't have to be changed unless you want them to be. Remember, Brigades are voluntary. The only way they must be adhered to is if you wish to join.

As for discussion, again Im not sure what the plan is on that Jare. I know we have scoured the source material for what's being proposed. At this point the only thing I think could be done is to take away from it. Not sure if there will be discussion or not.

But, why don't interested parties put togther some posts with bullet points on what they feel would be appropriate?
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ca'tal on Aug 02, 2011, 12:47 PM
But, why don't interested parties put togther some posts with bullet points on what they feel would be appropriate?

Alright, so armor, weapon, color requirements. Gear that must be carried...etc.

great, now I have to go back through the thread and re-read everything to refresh my memory.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 02, 2011, 12:48 PM
Alright, so armor, weapon, color requirements. Gear that must be carried...etc.

great, now I have to go back through the thread and re-read everything to refresh my memory.

LOL, exactly.

Colors, armor style, weapons style, helmet style, soft goods etc.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kel Toi on Aug 02, 2011, 12:53 PM
Weapons and soft goods count me out already . LOL
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ca'tal on Aug 02, 2011, 01:00 PM
If Slade gets this up and done by Thursday noon...he's better than I.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Gesai Primax on Aug 02, 2011, 01:38 PM
I'll throw out a MP summary of what's been speculated -

1) Green Boba or Jango style armor - chest, back, cod, thighs and shins
                               - shoulders and knees painted green optional?

2) Canon SW blasters

3) Green domed Boba or Jango style helmet - no dent
                               - face, cheek, ears and brow colors?

4) Green Boba or Jango or style flight suit - shin & thigh pockets

5) Boba or jango style ammo belt

6) Canon style girth belt

7) Boots? - Boba or Jango(?)

8. Jetpack if used - Boba or Jango styles

9) Boba or Jango style vest - colors?

I threw "Jango" into everything for the versatility. I truly think everything should be based off Boba though.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Aug 02, 2011, 01:41 PM
eventualy you should have a black and white version of the brigade sigil for people to make templates out of so they can put one onto their armour.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Mandalore the Uniter on Aug 02, 2011, 02:24 PM
I truly think everything should be based off Boba though.

You've got to remember the Fenn Shysa action figure is a Jango repaint.  So because of that, we'd have to consider Jango medium armor as well. 

One thing I can guarentee you though...we won't be letting any MP's in with soft armor:

(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070507070153/starwars/images/3/35/Blood_Carver.jpg)

 ;)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Mandalore the Uniter on Aug 02, 2011, 02:25 PM
But you may very well fall into the True Mandalorian brigade.   :D

Weapons and soft goods count me out already . LOL
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ca'tal on Aug 02, 2011, 02:34 PM
1) Armor:
  Light or medium
  Dark to mid shade of green
  Chest blinkies?

2) Blasters:
  Must be of canon style

3) Helmet:
  Boba or Jango style only
  Green dome
  Required colors for face, cheek and brow?

4) Flightsuit:
  Green or Gray Boba or Jango style
  shin & thigh pockets?
  (I don't think the pockets should be required, but strongly suggested.)
  Half sleeves?

5) Ammo belt:
  Boba or jango style ammo belt?
 (I honestly don't think this should be required style, but rather material. Pouches to me should be leather or faux leather.)
 
6) Girth belt:
  Red or brown as required by Boba CRL's?

7) Boots:
  Boba or Jango?
  (The Boba style are availible at current from MoW...the jango style...not so much. Not sure if this should be required.)

8. Jetpack:
  If used - Boba or Jango styles

9) Vest:
  Boba or Jango style
  Green, gray, or natual?

Tweaked KT's list and added a few opinions. Please do the same.

Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Gesai Primax on Aug 02, 2011, 02:53 PM
1) Armor:
  Light or medium
  Dark to mid shade of green
  Chest blinkies? - I am going to use a set with my Dala. He does not have one pictured, but he would in "reality".
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ca'tal on Aug 02, 2011, 02:59 PM
I got 'em too...and will actually be adding them in the update to my other kit.

Blinkies make things better.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Aug 02, 2011, 03:03 PM
Would it be alowed, to have some kind of knuckleplate stabbing tool or laser of sorts to cut through metal walls like you can do to the security grates in Star Wars Bounty Hunter?

I bought an LED wand that looked like it was a good enough size to put on a knuckleplate.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ca'tal on Aug 02, 2011, 03:11 PM
Would it be alowed, to have some kind of knuckleplate stabbing tool or laser of sorts to cut through metal walls like you can do to the security grates in Star Wars Bounty Hunter?

I bought an LED wand that looked like it was a good enough size to put on a knuckleplate.

I saw your build thread and you're not building a JP/MP, so I'm thinking you might be looking in the wrong area for help. Don't get me wrong, we'll help you...just not in this thread.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 02, 2011, 03:11 PM
You've got to remember the Fenn Shysa action figure is a Jango repaint.  So because of that, we'd have to consider Jango medium armor as well.  

True and that's makes it somewhat a legit source BUT, it's innacurate to all printed media on Fenn. It was Hasblow being Hasblow. I think based on printed visual reference, MP's are going to be light armor only and TM's would be medium.

@Dresdon: the sigils will be set, non optional colors. Remember, we're going canon here not custom. So, things need to be tight to canon. The MP's, TM's and OSDW should look like ranked soldiers in an infantry when they stand in their groups.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ca'tal on Aug 02, 2011, 03:16 PM
True and that's makes it somewhat a legit source BUT, it's innacurate to all printed media on Fenn. It was Hasblow being Hasblow. I think based on printed visual reference, MP's are going to be light armor only and TM's would be medium.

Hmm...I actually agree with that though I hadn't thought about it. And though the disagreement of if MP's and JP's are the same...I do think they are close enough in colors and equipment that they can safely be grouped together.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Jare Hasan on Aug 02, 2011, 03:17 PM
... So, things need to be tight to canon. The MP's, TM's and OSDW should look like ranked soldiers in an infantry when they stand in their groups.

I think I may cry...seriously, that statement is filled with beauty.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 02, 2011, 03:19 PM
Hmm...I actually agree with that though I hadn't thought about it. And though the disagreement of if MP's and JP's are the same...I do think they are close enough in colors and equipment that they can safely be grouped together.

Yeah, on the MP/Jp thing, the ONLY canon source that isn't implicit I can find is the red girthbelt means JP. Whether armor or colors do, whether Jp's are a rank in MP's or justa  civilian police force etc is all convoluted and unclarified.

So, adding a red girthbelt would be fine with the MP's but, unless you want your character to be specified as a Jp seems unrequired.

I must say though, with the traditional plate design, leaving out some type of wide waist wrap tends to look off.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 02, 2011, 03:19 PM
I think I may cry...seriously, that statement is filled with beauty.

LMAO
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ca'tal on Aug 02, 2011, 03:23 PM
Yeah, on the MP/Jp thing, the ONLY canon source that isn't implicit I can find is the red girthbelt means JP. Whether armor or colors do, whether Jp's are a rank in MP's or justa  civilian police force etc is all convoluted and unclarified.

So, adding a red girthbelt would be fine with the MP's but, unless you want your character to be specified as a Jp seems unrequired.

I must say though, with the traditional plate design, leaving out some type of wide waist wrap tends to look off.

Agreed, especially with the shorter Boba style vest, it leaves a big gap that looks really odd.

So maybe difference between the two, at least as far as costuming goes, JP's red girth, MP's something else? Of course I also have a spiffy badge that Baelin made for me.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Aug 02, 2011, 03:25 PM
So what mare thenotable diffrences betwen the 2?
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 02, 2011, 03:26 PM
Armor coverage, colors, sigils, armor arrangement, equipment etc. There are refence photo threads stickied to the top.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Mandalore the Uniter on Aug 02, 2011, 03:43 PM
Honestly, I think all the JP talk is moot.  We know JP = red sash...but nothing else.  So I'm hard pressed to understand why there's a hang-up on the JP thing.  Any mando could be a JP, for all we know it's the same as wearing a sheriff's badge in the old west.  There were no uniforms, you just stuck it on your coat/vest/shirt and went about enforcing the law.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Aug 02, 2011, 03:45 PM
ooooooooohhhhhh        ok-easy enough, Red Girth belt=journey man protector, or Mandalorian Police force right?
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ca'tal on Aug 02, 2011, 03:54 PM
Concord Dawn actually, but is neither here nor there.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kora on Aug 02, 2011, 04:12 PM
I suppose I'll be out of the canon brigade part as well then. lol I'm doing a charcoal flight suit with swords as weapons (occasionally defaulting to a blaster once it's finished but primary focus swords given it's a second armor set for my melee character). And no chest blinkies. lol
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Darman_Skirata on Aug 02, 2011, 04:14 PM
Looks like I'm out too
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Gesai Primax on Aug 02, 2011, 04:21 PM
I think MPs should have a sash (girth belt), but not red. Dala called himself a MP and had a yellow sash.

Why is everyone saying "I'm out"? The standard is not published yet. If you have a CANON style suit, but need to repaint and add a couple things then you're in. If you don't have a CANON style suit, then you never were able to be in a CANON brigade.

1) Canon armor
2) green
3) Canon weapon
4) various details in between

That easy!
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ca'tal on Aug 02, 2011, 04:25 PM
Yeah, canon is going to be a pretty small group I think. We're the guys with just enough of a loose screw to really torture ourselves when making a costume.

1) Armor:
  Light
  Dark to mid shade of green
  Chest blinkies

2) Blasters:
  Must be of canon style

3) Helmet:
  Boba or Jango style only
  Green dome
  Required colors for face, cheek and brow?

4) Flightsuit:
  Green or Gray Boba or Jango style?
  shin & thigh pockets?
  (I don't think the pockets should be required, but strongly suggested.)
  Half sleeves?

5) Ammo belt:
  Boba or jango style ammo belt?   
  (I honestly don't think this should be required style, but rather material. Pouches to me should be leather or faux leather.)
 
6) Girth belt:
   ? ? ?
   (I agree with Boklast that there should be a girth, just not nesessarily red.)

7) Boots:
  Boba or Jango?  (The Boba style are availible at current from MoW...the jango style...not so much. Not sure if this should be required.)

8. Jetpack:
  If used - Boba or Jango styles

9) Vest:
  Boba or Jango style
  Green, gray, or natual?  

This brain storming is sort of fun...and currently saving my sanity from work.

*edit* Also, what about gloves? Boba style with a patch on the back or other?


Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Gesai Primax on Aug 02, 2011, 04:40 PM
Yeah Ca'tal I'm doing this while at work too! :D

1) Armor:
  Light
  Dark to mid shade of green
  Chest blinkies

2) Blasters:
  Must be of canon style

3) Helmet:
  Boba or Jango style only
  Green dome
  Required colors for face, cheek and brow?

                        How about what we already know - the brow/face color distinguish rank. - red, orange/yellow,etc..... and white cheeks! :D

4) Flightsuit:
  Green or Gray Boba or Jango style?

                            Green, olive or Boba blue-grey flightsuit

  shin & thigh pockets?  
(I don't think the pockets should be required, but strongly suggested.)

                          Should have thigh and shin pockets.

Half sleeves?
                        
                          I vote yes for half sleeves over the long sleeves.

5) Ammo belt:
  Boba or jango style ammo belt?  
  (I honestly don't think this should be required style, but rather material. Pouches to me should be leather or faux leather.)

                       The MP / JP belts should be similar to Boba's at least, since they are all based off of him.

6) Girth belt:
   ? ? ?   (I agree with Boklast that there should be a girth, just not nesessarily red.)

                          Red for JP. MP ?

7) Boots:
  Boba or Jango?  (The Boba style are availible at current from MoW...the jango style...not so much. Not sure if this should be required.)

                    crow62 is working on accurate Jango boots. MOW is also working on them. A cheap alternative could be TK boots painted the correct colors since Boba's were slip-on too?

8. Jetpack:
  If used - Boba or Jango styles

9) Vest:
  Boba or Jango style
 Green, gray, or natual?  

               Not sure.....
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ca'tal on Aug 02, 2011, 04:49 PM
Helmet:

I can agree with the white cheeks, but as for the brow area being rank display...we really don't know for a fact, just close guessing. We do know what colors have been seen, so restrict to those? Red, Blue, Yellow, and Orange?

Flight suit:

That restricts to a Boba style suit, which makes sense as we're saying no to Jango style armor. I say no to the thigh pockets as my kit they wouldn't work because of the thigh mounted holster I wear. I'll go with whatever though. I say yes on the half sleeves as well.

Ammo belt:

I'm going to go back and look at the reference material to see what the ammo belts look like there before I sya one way or the other.

Boots:

MoW boots are perfect, I've owned two pairs now and love 'em. I forgot Crow62 was working on the Jango boots, but until I actually see them up for sale I'm not holding my breath, but again, as we're steering away from Jango style armor for MP's...
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 02, 2011, 05:07 PM
Here would be my recommendations. See whatyou all think...

1) Armor:
  Light coverage
  mid green/matte finish primary armor color
  secondary colors of red, yello/orange or blue ONLY may be used on shoulders, knee's and gauntlets
  Chest blinkies (optional but highly encouraged (simply isnt enough comic reference to say they are a must))

2) Blasters:
  Canon style, Era appropriate weapon (question say some used an E-11 or EE-3 as a base but customized it to their liking and carry preference but, it's still clearly based on that weapon. Would that be a go?)

3) Helmet:
  Boba or Jango style only, with standard earcaps. Standard RF required.
  Mid green base color.
 Brow and mandibles MUST be red, yellow/orange or blue ONLY.
A secondary trim color may be used and may be any colors. Not required.
White cheeks are encouraged but not required.

4) Flightsuit:
Mid green, light or dark grey Fett style flightsuit with dual sleeves.
Thigh and shin pockets are recommended , not required.
Ankle or full spats, matching the flightsuits color required.

5) Ammo belt:
Fett style, multi pouch ammo belt required. Colors optional
(would the famous Suzy's Surpplus pouches be an acceptable altenative? They have the same overall design and appearance when assembled. Not an exact match but close enough on a non face character to not be a kit killer in appearance)

6) Girth belt:
Waist wrap, sash or girthbelt required. Colors optional

7) Boots:
Any laceless boots

8. Jetpack:
 Required (there are non canon references of a fully kitted Mp without one)

9) Vest:
  Boba or Jango style
colors should be similar to the flightsuit.

10. Brigade sigil must be worn on the right chestplate. Clan sigil may be worn on the left shoulder plate. No other sigils, stripping or markings are allowed. If a member is the receipiant of the Ori'ramkad Award, it may be worn as appropriate on the armor.

MP sigil:
(http://www.mandayaim.com/images/newsy/07_11/shysa_symbol.jpg)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ca'tal on Aug 02, 2011, 05:21 PM
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Ankle or full spats, matching the flightsuits color required.

9) Vest:
  colors should be similar to the flightsuit.

Looking at Boba references, his vest and spats are different from his flight suit, though again I need to go back at look at the comic references too.

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5) Ammo belt:
Fett style, multi pouch ammo belt required. Colors optional

As I said previously, multiple pouches in leather or faux-leather. So yes, the mauser pouches would work IMHO.

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Boots:
Any laceless boots


I dunno about any...what about a "reasonable facsimile of a Boba style boot". And what about toe spikes?

Jetpack:

*sigh* Yes, I think it should be required...I hate that I agree with that as it means I finally have to give in and get one.

Sigils:

I would think the Brigade would go on the shoulder bell and the clan on the chest plate....but then I'm known to get things backwards sometimes.

Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Spanner Murraan on Aug 02, 2011, 05:24 PM
I dont know about this brigade, but I am putting my brigade symbol on my helmet, as it seems Mandos like to convey things with their noggins (IE: Fi's Wounded Veteran sigil, Boba's kill stripes).
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 02, 2011, 05:25 PM
Spats and vest, similar don't have to be the same. For example on Boba there is a shading difference but not so bold as black on gray etc.

Ammo belt, sounds reasonable to me

Boots:

I just don't want to see people have to be locked into buying or making MOW boots when comic references can be a bit ambigeous.

Perhaps... similar style ankle boot ?

Jetpack: yeah, kinda like the TCW Deathwatch, there may be a handful of jetpackless frames of art  BUT, none of those frames represent a "battle" enviroment or a fully kitted warrior. Being that fully kitted warriors  are only seen with the jetpack I think it needs to be added.

Sigils...

Probably right on that one.

@Spanner, that's wear I wear mine as well for pretty much teh same reason! Here I am, deal with it! LOL
 For the canon cnetric area's they need to follow the format as seen.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: BedlamX on Aug 02, 2011, 05:31 PM
Hahaha...guess I'll join the "out" group on this one, too.

No canon weapon (although it has been called a cannon :P)
Black flight suit
Too much armor
Heavy motorcross boots


I'm diggin my kit the way it is and never really made it to join a brigade anyway, so nothing big here.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 02, 2011, 05:33 PM
You may fit the True Mando group?
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ca'tal on Aug 02, 2011, 05:38 PM
Boots:

I can see what you're saying. And I can go with an ankle boot deal. Toe spikes? I know they aren't always shown, but I think that's more due to lazy artists.

Oh, and what about the gloves and half cape?
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Aug 02, 2011, 05:51 PM
I may have to be out on it. :(      I have a black leather vest and no boba/jango sleeves :(
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: BedlamX on Aug 02, 2011, 06:05 PM
You may fit the True Mando group?

Honestly, I'll probably stay out of the brigades. At least till things get all settled down. Although, if I get a couple things done, my kit may fit better in the heavy weapons area  :)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: JR on Aug 02, 2011, 06:50 PM
I dont know about this brigade, but I am putting my brigade symbol on my helmet, as it seems Mandos like to convey things with their noggins (IE: Fi's Wounded Veteran sigil, Boba's kill stripes).


How do y'all feel about an additional sigil on a Canon bucket to identify the wearer?


Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Gesai Primax on Aug 02, 2011, 07:48 PM

How do y'all feel about an additional sigil on a Canon bucket to identify the wearer?




Canon means the suits match what is seen 100% or as close as possible. So no additional markings.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Gesai Primax on Aug 02, 2011, 07:57 PM
Spats and vest, similar don't have to be the same. For example on Boba there is a shading difference but not so bold as black on gray etc.

Ammo belt, sounds reasonable to me

Boots:

I just don't want to see people have to be locked into buying or making MOW boots when comic references can be a bit ambigeous.

Perhaps... similar style ankle boot ?

Jetpack: yeah, kinda like the TCW Deathwatch, there may be a handful of jetpackless frames of art  BUT, none of those frames represent a "battle" enviroment or a fully kitted warrior. Being that fully kitted warriors  are only seen with the jetpack I think it needs to be added.

Sigils...

Probably right on that one.

@Spanner, that's wear I wear mine as well for pretty much teh same reason! Here I am, deal with it! LOL
 For the canon cnetric area's they need to follow the format as seen.

I agree with every Falin & Ca'tal.

For boots, something like this would work (Stormtrooper boots) if you do not want to buy Fett boots -

(http://www.tkboots.com/Boots%20001.jpg)

You would have to paint them your color. Pretty close to Boba's (kinda).

I think the clan symbol should be a no-go though. Since we are talking canon, I think the only symbol would be the single shoulder one you pictured.

GLOVES -

Since we're are basing the MP on Boba, we should follow suit with the gloves. Boba's gloves were made using military parade gloves with additional cloth sewn on for the details and then dyed.

HALF CAPE -

Optional

Man this is awesome!! ;D
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 02, 2011, 08:42 PM
A lot of good discussion here!

On the boots, I think as long as we can show visual sources of similar styles we'd like to see, we can be good. Heck, even a Jango style boot would look good with the spats.

The reasoning behind the clan sigil being allowed is we see Boba and Jodo each have a right chest plates family/clan sigil. So allowing that 1 piece of indiviudualization I think would be good? With the brigade sigil on the left shoulder where Boba wears his skull.

Gloves, Id like to see something akin to a Boba or Jango glove.

Half cape... I hate capes... lol Id say optional as well. Id need to look but, I cant recall off hand that Tobi and Fenn were always seen with them. If it's something someone wants to add, cool. If not, wouldn't sweat it.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: JR on Aug 02, 2011, 08:46 PM
The reasoning behind the clan sigil being allowed is we see Boba and Jodo each have a right chest plates family/clan sigil. So allowing that 1 piece of indiviudualization I think would be good? With the brigade sigil on the left shoulder where Boba wears his skull.

So we can have one personal sigil to identify ourselves?
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 02, 2011, 08:47 PM
Clan sigil, if that's ultimately what the brigade and Brigideer decide.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Peregrinus on Aug 02, 2011, 08:52 PM
My thoughts (http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=36659.msg577414#msg577414), cross-posted.

--Jonah
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ca'tal on Aug 02, 2011, 10:44 PM
The list of stuff I need for my kit is growing with every post...

Will need new gloves, jet pack, add half sleeves, shin and thigh pockets, and the tools of course.

To be honest, after a lot of the discussion I may even do a bit of repainting as well.  Speaking of, what about kill stripes and Jaig eyes on the helmet?

I think I'm pretty close as is, but I want to really nail it.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 02, 2011, 10:47 PM
Personally, I think hip and thigh pouches and shin tools should be optional.

I would think killstripes and jaig eyes would be very appropriate for these costumes.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Pointoforigin on Aug 02, 2011, 11:02 PM
I'm hoping that the transition to canon for MP/JP etc isn't going to mean that people who's kits happen to be the same basic colours, but don't want to go the canon route, have to repaint. I know this IS the case with people who get too close to Boba or Jango. I'd like to see there being no repainting required, and not under any kind of grandfather cause.

My view on boots - as someone with odd shaped feet, saying "you must have this exact boot" doesn't work for me. I suspect there will be others also. If the boot description was something like, "Must be elastic sided like Boba's and have toe spikes" that would be fine, but saying "Must be exact Boba replicas" would not really work. Probably more emphasis on Boba style elastic sides with spikes would be good though, as opposed to Jango style - I feel Jango style should be for True Mandos instead of MP/JP.

Kill stripes on a bucket should be pretty generic. They should be optional. I'd leave the Jaig eyes for face characters that actually had them though.

I'd also like to see in the flight suit/vest colour department more of "from this shade through to that shade" rather than specifically "green, tan or Boba blue" So have the colour be able to be anything that falls within those boundaries.

That's what, four cents I've added to this so far? :P Still not planning a repaint towards a MP/JP kit, but I am planning on a LOT of the Canon additions based on what's decided here.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ca'tal on Aug 02, 2011, 11:09 PM
No no no...the repainting of I was talking about is by choice. I want my kit to be canon. It is certainly not required for anyone to repaint theirs if they don't want to. Joining the canon Brigade is totally up to the costumer, it is not mandatory.

Also...just finished my boots.

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6130/6003717089_7dc3557480.jpg)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Slade Kel on Aug 03, 2011, 06:24 AM
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Pointoforigin on Aug 03, 2011, 06:48 AM
That all looks good, Slade. I would make the distinction that if the costumer goes for Jango coverage they need boot armour, but if it's Boba coverage then they need spats - rather than just "Spats are required" across the board.

I still think that the jaig eyes should be left for face characters, but killstripes are fine.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kel Toi on Aug 03, 2011, 07:01 AM
LOL Im definatley not an MP now LOL no probs though . Planning a repaint , not totaly because of this  ;)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Gesai Primax on Aug 03, 2011, 09:00 AM
Sounds good Slade!

Is it okay if I make "thread" with links to all the available-to-purchase MP items? I think that will help.

So which way are you going Kel - MP or TM?
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ca'tal on Aug 03, 2011, 10:06 AM
I still disagree with allowing anything beyond light coverage, which means no Jango plates.

As for a beskad my vote is no. To me it doesn't fit the "ranks of uniformed troops" for one to have a big knife swinging. And honestly I think they're sort of a late canon addition from the RC/IC series where as the Protectors are sort of old school.

Also, for gauntlet colors I'd add green to the mix as well because of ESB, and that mismatched colors are acceptable (I.E. one red one yellow.) because of the first three prototype Fett suits and the promo suit.

I'd say there's my $.02 but I'm pretty sure I'm up to like $1.50 by now.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 03, 2011, 10:18 AM
When he said Jango plates, he means size and design, he does specify light armor coverage. Medium coverage would fall into True Mandalorians.

Simple fact is, Boba style plates aren't going to fit all body types. Some folks will be better suited to wear Jango patterned plates but still in the light armor configuration.

Better wording might be tradtional Fett cut plates rather than specifing Boba/Jango plates as folks will confuse that wtith coverage.

I would be against a saber being carried unless a canon depiction can be found.

Also on th agunts... I owuld say any color red, blue yellow/orange or the armor base green are acceptable. Both may match in oclor or may be different colored from one another.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ca'tal on Aug 03, 2011, 10:36 AM
Ah, yeah I would be one of those confused.

Jango pattern plates...not Jango coverage. Got it.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kel Toi on Aug 03, 2011, 11:29 AM


So which way are you going Kel - MP or TM?

Neither mate , going to do something different . Not fully sure at the mo  ;)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Peregrinus on Aug 03, 2011, 07:45 PM
Nuts. I'll be close, but not quite, under those standards. I'm mounting a blast shield on my helmet, not an RF, and I'm going with my jackboots and Jango boot armor rather than my Boba boots.

Ca'tal, Spar was leading his MPs against the Republic at the same time the RC books take place, for what it's worth. ;) And also, since several Mandos in the Legacy of the Force series are carrying beskads, I'd say that it's not part of any particular era. With Protectors, I'd say it would mainly be a matter of wanting to keep one's hands free.

--Jonah
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Nate Jangotat on Aug 04, 2011, 03:27 AM
After reading through all of this thread, glad I am making a Boba  :P I likes rules and gives you something to aim for and be proud of ;)

Have been looking at Mando protector photos and other than the original post (which in my opinion is what everyone should aim to look like, save colour changes on specific parts of the armour as discussed earlier in the thread), I agree with everything on your list of requirements, only thing that I note which I think is up for interpretation is:

Boots should be any lace less boots, not Boba Boots. Chelsea boots work well, but you don't need stripes on em to be an MP.
Gloves - I've seen varying examples, not usually plain, any of the style of gloves worn by Boba or Jango would work IMO. (Fenn Shysa has about three or four variations that look nothing like Boba's or Jango's)

my 2 pennies ;)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kel Toi on Aug 04, 2011, 04:08 AM
If everyone had the same gear , belts , pouches etc etc and just different paint . There would hardly any Official mercs .
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Nate Jangotat on Aug 04, 2011, 04:17 AM
What makes you say that - the 501st seem to do quite well with a bunch of blokes dressed in white...?
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kel Toi on Aug 04, 2011, 04:21 AM
501st isnt a custom club mate .
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Nate Jangotat on Aug 04, 2011, 04:23 AM
Fair enough, but this is talking about a canon brigade. It's not saying everyone has to be an MP.
It can only be a good thing to get people to aim for something as close to canon as possible surely?
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kel Toi on Aug 04, 2011, 04:25 AM
True , but i still dont think MP's or True mando's would have all had the same gear . They dont in the comics .
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Nate Jangotat on Aug 04, 2011, 04:35 AM
I think MPs do (or slight variations thereof) Which is why I mention about boots and gloves. Also, I diagree with white cheeks , as clearly, they don't all have 'em

Perhaps more reference sources required as this is what I thought MPs look like:
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6131/6007613545_e89fe5b48d.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/natejangotat/6007613545/)
Boba MPs (http://www.flickr.com/photos/natejangotat/6007613545/) by Nate Jangotat - Vok'Chi (http://www.flickr.com/people/natejangotat/), on Flickr
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6140/6007613521_3fa45425c7.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/natejangotat/6007613521/)
MPs (http://www.flickr.com/photos/natejangotat/6007613521/) by Nate Jangotat - Vok'Chi (http://www.flickr.com/people/natejangotat/), on Flickr
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6143/6007614779_8b09262568.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/natejangotat/6007614779/)
200px-FennShysa-Hasbro (http://www.flickr.com/photos/natejangotat/6007614779/) by Nate Jangotat - Vok'Chi (http://www.flickr.com/people/natejangotat/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Pointoforigin on Aug 04, 2011, 04:37 AM
I'm actually liking it. It's not upping the normal standards at all, and isn't looking down its nose on members who are non-brigade, or have less "canon" items on their kit, or more customisation or originality. It's not making it any harder to become official, or remain so.

What it is doing, in my view, is providing that little bit of recognition for those who want to stay as close to movie canon as possible, while having a custom kit. For me, that comes back to why I probably won't ever have a 501st approved costume - I don't feel that I would do an established character justice. But a custom one based on them? Sure! With the canon brigade, that just makes "Based on" come closer to "repaint". That said, there's still variations within the guidelines so far - ie, different gauntlet shapes, different dart shapes, the use of Jango plates not Boba for those whos bodies suit them better. Even the belts are likely to be "Needs at least 4 leather looking pouches"

To the untrained eye it's not going to be a lot of variation. To the trained eye, there's going to be people going NUTS about how different it all is :P
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kel Toi on Aug 04, 2011, 04:42 AM
Cool  ;) I see what you mean now , maybe im just thick and needin more sleep LOL
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: JR on Aug 04, 2011, 07:57 AM
True , but i still dont think MP's or True mando's would have all had the same gear . They dont in the comics .

I agree with this. Will having extra tools hurt?
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kel Toi on Aug 04, 2011, 08:00 AM
Dont ask me ! I give up LOL Im for a re-paint now  ;D all this MP TM etc is givin me -censored- ache .
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: JR on Aug 04, 2011, 08:07 AM
Dont ask me ! I give up LOL Im for a re-paint now  ;D all this MP TM etc is givin me -censored- ache .

But you were the guy I was going to for canon paint advice, so if this is giving you an -censored- ache, then I am . . .
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Bairu Wapek on Aug 04, 2011, 08:10 AM
Dont ask me ! I give up LOL Im for a re-paint now  ;D all this MP TM etc is givin me -censored- ache .

I keep seeing your repainting Kel. All I can say is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I love your kit. Could be my favourite. But, If you insist you BETTER satisfy expectations  ;D
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kel Toi on Aug 04, 2011, 08:14 AM
I will do a trial on my commando on sat , i cant do the full kit before CMG .


Sorry for the de-railment folks .
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Gesai Primax on Aug 04, 2011, 08:42 AM
I agree with this. Will having extra tools hurt?

For the 1,000,000th time - this is only for CANON or as close as possible MPs. Do the pics Nate posted show engineer tools? No

Sorry to be blunt, but come on....
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: JR on Aug 04, 2011, 08:50 AM
For the 1,000,000th time - this is only for CANON or as close as possible MPs. Do the pics Nate posted show engineer tools? No

Sorry to be blunt, but come on....

Why don't you come on and lose the attitude. I never mentioned engineer tools in this conversation. Sorry for being blunt but it looks like we are still talking about what tools of the bounty hunting trade these guys did or did not use. I am sick of the attitude in this thread because it is turning people off and that is not good for the community.

EDIT: We were talking about how the MP's or True mandos don't all had the same gear in the comics . So does that mean I can have an extra weapon or a slightly different pack? I am trying to see where I want to go with my next armor because I already have parts picked out.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Gesai Primax on Aug 04, 2011, 09:08 AM
I am sorry I took "tools" to mean "tools". I undertand this is all new to you and you are excited, which is great. There is no "attitude" in these thread(s). They are debates on what is appropriate for the canon CRLs. Posting comments that have no relevance to the subject at hand from not reading previous posts isn't needed. I hope you can understand that. By saying "turning people off", do you mean 'ol Kel? He's just ornery! :D

MPs / JPs were not bounty hunters.

Here is the proposed CRL for MP / JP per Slade:

Quote
Now to my decicreds:

Colors: Mid-green with red, blue or yellow/orange secondary color and optional tertiary color.
Helmet: Agreed; standard Fett-style, standard earcaps and RF required, medium-green primary color visor trim/mandibles in secondary color, white cheeks optional. As Falin pointed out to me elsewhere, while the white cheeks are in the old comics, some of the newer comics and some of the LFL artwork floating around shows MPs without the white cheeks. Kill stripes and Jaig eyes are allowed/optional. The stripes and eyes are both canonically mando, and even in the 'real' military small personal touches like those are allowed.
Armor: Light coverage, Boba or Jango plates, Fett-style knees with darts (not required to be exact replicas, but similar). Medium green with gauntlets matching secondary color. Shoulders and knees can be green or tertiary color (yellow most common).
Gauntlets: Can be Fett-style or streamlined design based on comic book representations. Streamlined design must be full enclosed and have some sort of 'weapons platform' type features, such as those shown in the comics.
Boots: Laceless boots similar in design to Boba's, but not required to be exact replicas. Toe spikes are required, but again don't have to be exact replicas
Ankle Spats: Boba-styled, must either match flight suit or vest in color
Gloves: Must be similar to Boba's
[li[Flightsuit. Full flightsuit with Boba 'double-sleeve' required. Colors: green, olive drab, light or medium grey. Thigh and shin pouches strongly recommended, but not absolutely required.
Vest: Must be similar to Boba's or Jango's. Colors: ? I would say, barring any objections, to allow the same colors as the flight suit, along with 'platinum grey'/white.
Belt: Similar to Boba/Jango, with brown leather or faux leather pouches (minimum four pouches, two on either side of buckle). I wouldn't require it to be exact, as even Tobi Daala is depicted in some panels with different pouches.
Boba-style chest lights encouraged but not required.
Sigils: Clan sigil may be worn on right chest plate, similar in size/placement to Boba's 'family crest'. Brigade sigil must be worn on shoulder plate (left?). Sigil will be vectored up by the Art Team, based on the previously shown MP sigil, the which is clearly based on Bob'ika's mythosaur skull
Girth Belt: Required, Boba-style or waist-wrap-type, any color within reason (yellow like Tobi's, brown, dark grey, etcetera but no fuschia or fluorescent green or the like). Can be red to denote JP.
Weapon: Must be era-appropriate canon weapon. With the WEG RPG guides, comics and video games, there are literally hundreds of 'canon' weapons. Weapons can be customized to an extent (such as a modded E-11) but it must still be recognizable as a canon SW weapon from that era. Call it early Imperial-era and forward.
I move to allow a beskad or vibrosword, as the MPs aren't depicted to all have exactly the same weapons, and it stands to reason that one might carry the 'traditional' mando saber or something similar. While it wouldn't probably be their primary weapon, it could come in handy, for clearing brush on a jungle planet, if for nothing else
Boba-style half-cape optional, but not required. Full-capes, cloaks, etcetera not allowed
Jetpack required, Boba, Jango or TCWDW style. Never see an MP without one, and I'm willing to allow the CW one because it's quasi-available (will be readily available soon'ish from WCA) and is basically a hybrid of the other two.

Hopefully I got everything, but if I missed anything, feel free to chime in. Also, the official write-up will be much neater and actually in order, probably ordered by armor from head to toe then soft parts from head to toe. Honestly, the most of these suggestions were already on my list, barring a few like the gloves and boots that I hadn't considered.

I'm willing to hold off on the official write-up until you lot have chimed in on whether or not this list looks good, but keep in mind that I work overnight and have no comp access at work, so it may get to the point where I'll suddenly go incommunicado until tomorrow morning after 8ish. I had last night off, so I've been able to read through things .
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Jare Hasan on Aug 04, 2011, 09:11 AM
I am sick of the attitude in this thread because it is turning people off and that is not good for the community.


Then don't read the thread anymore.  And finally getting recognition for doing a canon kit is very good for the community.  Brigades are optional, if you want something different than canon, try another costume.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Slade Kel on Aug 04, 2011, 09:12 AM
Alright children, don't make me have to turn this thread around. Knock off the bickering or I'll tell Daddy on y'all. And Kel's always ornery, is from being Scottish :P.



Boklast; by all means, go ahead and start a thread with links to suppliers of the various parts. Once we get the Canon Brigade set up properly, I'll sticky it so it's up at the top. Having a resource like that for folks to reference will be useful :).

Yes, I meant Jango-style, but still light coverage :P. I'll reword it to traditional Fett-style plates with slight variation allowed for size and fit. For example, my old Slade chest-plates are something between Boba and Jango; still recognizably 'supercommando' plates, but not really accurate to either.

For gauntlets, I'm fine with allowing the base green color as well, and with allowing them to be mismatched in color.

I'll reword the boots thing, because that's actually more or less what I meant Nate. The 'similar to Boba's' caveat is so that someone doesn't try applying with cowboy boots. I would say that variation would allow for something like the TK boots Boklast showed, or even my old boots, the which are ankle-high Chelsea boots. I'll add those (Chelsea-style and the stormie) boots in as examples of allowed.

I'm okay with disallowing the saber, but my reasoning was that (thanks to KT) they're depicted as being uncommon but still carried during the early-Imperial through to the Galactic Alliance era. Figure that if you took any modern military force and grabbed a dozen soldiers dressed in their field gear at random that there would be variations. I know troops that do carry big honking knives and others that just carry the 'standard' gear with perhaps a pocket knife or entrenching tool mixed in. Still, like I said, I'm cool with leaving it out until we see some canon representation of a Protector carrying one.

As to some variation; Nate, the examples you showed in and of themselves show some, enough that folks like us looking at them immediately start noting differences. As Point said; the average lay-person will see uniformity, while hardcore-types will gnash their jaws at the sloppy differentness of it all.

From my perspective, the requirement list as it stands so far does key toward getting as close to those looks as possible, but with wiggle room. Even someone is pulling a Boklast and doing a specific Protector has a little room for interpretation, as artists take plenty of artistic license, even from frame to frame on the same page of a comic. It isn't like doing a Boba or Jango, where you can look at the live suit and get a breakdown of the exact parts piece for piece.

I think that addresses the suggested alterations, so I'm going to get started on tidying it up into proper Brigade format.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: JR on Aug 04, 2011, 09:22 AM
I am sorry I took "tools" to mean "tools". I undertand this is all new to you and you are excited, which is great. There is no "attitude" in these thread(s). They are debates on what is appropriate for the canon CRLs. Posting comments that have no relevance to the subject at hand from not reading previous posts isn't needed. I hope you can understand that. By saying "turning people off", do you mean 'ol Kel? He's just ornery! :D

MPs / JPs were not bounty hunters.

Here is the proposed CRL for MP / JP per Slade:


I am sorry too, but it has seemed pretty heated from my point of view. Basically anything that's not armor is a tool, including weapons.

How is it not relevant when I was asking for clarification on what 'ol Kel said?

Why do you assume I am not reading the posts? Gmail says there has been over 82 posts here since I first started watching this thread, and they don't all agree. I think asking for clarification shows I am trying to digest everything I read.

Because I have been reading previous posts, I am now waiting for 4 Gs of ibuprofen and 1 cg of melatonin to take effect.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Jare Hasan on Aug 04, 2011, 09:30 AM
A note on the gloves...the pre-pro Boba gloves had 7th Infantry Division (US) and FORSCOM patches sewn to the back of the gloves.  These patches are still available, as are other patches like them. 
Would it be acceptable to use a military division patch on the backs of the correct gloves?  Doesn't have to be 7thID or FORSCOM?
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: JR on Aug 04, 2011, 09:31 AM
Alright children, don't make me have to turn this thread around. Knock off the bickering or I'll tell Daddy on y'all. And Kel's always ornery, is from being Scottish :P. . .

OK, I think you answered my questions about the "wiggle" room because I never said I wanted something different than canon with my next costume.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Slade Kel on Aug 04, 2011, 11:11 AM
A note on the gloves...the pre-pro Boba gloves had 7th Infantry Division (US) and FORSCOM patches sewn to the back of the gloves.  These patches are still available, as are other patches like them. 
Would it be acceptable to use a military division patch on the backs of the correct gloves?  Doesn't have to be 7thID or FORSCOM?
I think that this would be one of those aspects of pre-production that we won't allow; just as we restrict sports armor and the like as being too Earthy. The padding added to the gloves won't have to be exact to Boba's (as seen in ESB and ROTJ) but similar to it.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Jare Hasan on Aug 04, 2011, 11:31 AM
I think that this would be one of those aspects of pre-production that we won't allow; just as we restrict sports armor and the like as being too Earthy. The padding added to the gloves won't have to be exact to Boba's (as seen in ESB and ROTJ) but similar to it.

I'll respectfully disagree with that. 
(http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/attachments/f20/looking-prepro-glove-pics-1st-preproduction-jetpack-0.jpg-10946d1150144606)

(http://www.thedentedhelmet.com/attachments/f20/looking-prepro-glove-pics-2nd-preproduction-mini.jpg-10955d1150144633)

Not Earthy in the least.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kel Toi on Aug 04, 2011, 11:48 AM
Less of the ol Ya gits ! lol Didnae know i wis Ornery ! lol
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Slade Kel on Aug 04, 2011, 11:56 AM
Fair enough Jare; those two in particular aren't very Earthy, but many military unit patches contain Earth-based imagery. I'll allow the use of such patches on a subjective basis. Basically, if someone wants to use those two in particular, they'll be allowed but any other patches will be subject to my approval as Brigadier. As I've said in the past, too, if someone disagrees with my ruling they're welcome to appeal to the Council. Such appeals should be made through Falin as PO, but can be made to any Council member that the member feels comfortable with.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 04, 2011, 05:38 PM
Trust me, Im not trying to throw a monkey wrench here but, I recalled Llat's Ward when I posted in another thread and realized he has the "Protector" look. Now, in the EU, he is/was a Cuy'val Dar on Kamino. Which would age him probably having lived in the time of both the True Mandalorians and the Mandalorian Protector's. His armor coverage and colors would indicate MP but, he tosses a few wildcards in there.

Typically I don't like clicking or posting links but, this is by far the best way to show the reference images for the figure...
http://www.rebelscum.com/tacREFomega.asp

There is also a TOPPS card of him that is LFL approved artwork....
(http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx161/AdenSkirata/LlatsWard.jpg)

Would he be a fair reference for more variation among the MP BRL's? He was created for the EE figure packs and later/congruantly written into the RC books by Karen Traviss. However, nothing in his background indicates he was or was not an MP although his appearance in general, like Jodo Kast who clearly was not, is.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Spanner Murraan on Aug 04, 2011, 07:08 PM
A note on the gloves...the pre-pro Boba gloves had 7th Infantry Division (US) and FORSCOM patches sewn to the back of the gloves.  These patches are still available, as are other patches like them. 
Would it be acceptable to use a military division patch on the backs of the correct gloves?  Doesn't have to be 7thID or FORSCOM?

Just wanted to respectfully say that Wearing a military unit patch, insignia or rank that the wearer did not earn, or at least have some kind of close relationship to is considered extremely rude and disrespectful.  I personally dont care if it was done on screen, or in prepro.  Just because it was done, doesnt make it right.  And wearing them incorrectly (IE: on gloves) is even more salt on the wound.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Jare Hasan on Aug 04, 2011, 07:52 PM
Just wanted to respectfully say that Wearing a military unit patch, insignia or rank that the wearer did not earn, or at least have some kind of close relationship to is considered extremely rude and disrespectful.  I personally dont care if it was done on screen, or in prepro.  Just because it was done, doesnt make it right.  And wearing them incorrectly (IE: on gloves) is even more salt on the wound.

i've got em on my gloves....my taxes paid to make them, and I paid for them again when I bought them.  It's a unit patch, not a Purple Heart.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Slade Kel on Aug 04, 2011, 07:53 PM
Falin: while Llats doesn't fit the look perfectly (the skull on the chest, and the fact that his armor was styled like that 'before' the MPs were formed) I'm comfortable with using him as an example of a Protector-inspired kit. It's an example of a pretty well acceptable color scheme for a Protector.

Spanner; I respect your opinion and feelings on the matter, but many folk use/wear military patches to show their respect for a unit for one reason or another. Could be that a family member or friend served with that unit and died in action, or something along those lines. And let's face it, unless you're active duty or guard and in uniform, then you're not going to be wearing it correctly. I would assume that the unit patches in question had some significance to someone working on the costume pre-production, and were only removed due to some higher-up not liking the look of them. Granted, I would never condone someone wearing rank or medals/awards that they did not earn. Hell, I don't even like people wearing actual military camo that never served,  but I don't see unit patches in the same light.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Spanner Murraan on Aug 04, 2011, 08:24 PM
Spanner; I respect your opinion and feelings on the matter, but many folk use/wear military patches to show their respect for a unit for one reason or another. Could be that a family member or friend served with that unit and died in action, or something along those lines. And let's face it, unless you're active duty or guard and in uniform, then you're not going to be wearing it correctly. I would assume that the unit patches in question had some significance to someone working on the costume pre-production, and were only removed due to some higher-up not liking the look of them. Granted, I would never condone someone wearing rank or medals/awards that they did not earn. Hell, I don't even like people wearing actual military camo that never served,  but I don't see unit patches in the same light.

I am not trying to make policy here, and I respect others opinions will vary.   In my mind, being related to someone in the unit, or even honoring a close friend in the unit qualifies you to wear the patch, so long as it is done in reverence.   I was merely pointing out that a lot of veterans might feel that way.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled pissing match  :P ;)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Klyn Voddher on Aug 05, 2011, 04:00 AM
I bought these via Ebay and liked them just because of those patches. And i didn't think of any moral things just once. Looked like the prepro patches and that's good enough. But i get your opinion Spanner, altho we all don't use these patches in a disrespectful way. Just out of place maybe.

(http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/5554/dsci01312000.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/847/dsci01312000.jpg/)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: JR on Aug 05, 2011, 04:53 AM
I think you should also consider how generic the patches are. It could have been used by many different units, Now it would be different if it was something associated with only one group.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Slade Kel on Aug 05, 2011, 09:26 AM
I am not trying to make policy here, and I respect others opinions will vary.   In my mind, being related to someone in the unit, or even honoring a close friend in the unit qualifies you to wear the patch, so long as it is done in reverence.   I was merely pointing out that a lot of veterans might feel that way.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled pissing match  :P ;)
Sorry if that post of mine came off a little impassioned; I didn't think you were trying to force a policy statement, I just wanted to make sure there was a written explanation somewhere that I could reference if someone asked in the future why the BRL allows for the patches. I'd just woken up and probably should've taken more time to review and reword the post.

I think you should also consider how generic the patches are. It could have been used by many different units, Now it would be different if it was something associated with only one group.
True, they're generic in appearance; that's why I'm going to allow them. Militarily speaking, though it is (or rather they are) something associated with only one group. Some units may have similar patches, but no two units have the exact same patch.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ha'sid on Aug 05, 2011, 10:44 AM
i've got em on my gloves....my taxes paid to make them, and I paid for them again when I bought them.  It's a unit patch, not a Purple Heart.  :rolleyes:

I agree wholeheartedly, I can say more on this subject but we are off topic as it is.
As long as  it doesn't look to earthly I don't see why it can't be used.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Spanner Murraan on Aug 05, 2011, 02:12 PM
Whatever you guys say.  It is your Brigade. :)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Klyn Voddher on Aug 05, 2011, 02:47 PM
By the way, the MPs don't have any specific insignia right? I know that the MPs aren't a Mercs Brigade but it'd would be nice IMO to have one, even if there is no canon reference. What do you think?
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Mandalore the Uniter on Aug 05, 2011, 02:52 PM
Yes, there is a specific symbol.  And yes, there is now a brigade for MP's.  ;D
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Ohl'd Vart on Aug 27, 2011, 08:40 PM
Yes, there is a specific symbol.  And yes, there is now a brigade for MP's.  ;D

Drake's gonna crap....he just repainted his MP armor to something else!  :D ;D

Rob
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Salvo Mereel on Aug 28, 2011, 10:35 PM
So I was searching around and I found this.

(http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b448/ordomereel/MandalorianProtectorSymbol.jpg)

So it looks as if the Protectors have a symbol, but is symbol A the same as symbol B?

(http://i1044.photobucket.com/albums/b448/ordomereel/MandalorianProtectorSymbolQuestion.jpg)
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Slade Kel on Aug 29, 2011, 03:58 AM
No, they're obviously not the same symbol, but chest plate symbols are generally clan or family sigils and, as such, vary from person to person.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Vardøger "Var" Wraith on Jun 25, 2012, 03:27 PM
Hi all,

So it looks like this section has been quiet for a long time. I've been reading through this section and I belive I fall into this category. My character is a constable. I don't think my kit is up to specs to be an offical brigade member yet but I was hoping you all could look at a few pics and give me some feedback on if I'm on the right track to be a Protector. Here's some pics:

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j330/Jedihunter714/Official%20Mando%20Pics/550617_438004766219184_667941601_n.jpg)

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j330/Jedihunter714/Official%20Mando%20Pics/579610_438004302885897_239788632_n.jpg)

I'm the one on the right ( :P)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j330/Jedihunter714/Official%20Mando%20Pics/252687_363001520432644_2128027485_n.jpg)

Let me know what you think.

Thanks!

Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Hondo Karr on Jun 25, 2012, 03:37 PM
Well, going down the requirement list I would say the following upgrades would be needed...

1. The flightsuit needs a double sleeve
2. Vest color would need to be changed to one of these: green, olive grab, light or medium gray or platinum grey/white.
3. Must add a girthbelt
4. Not sure if you have them or not but, a Boba thong and knee straps dyed or painted to match the flightsuit are needed.
5. You would have to put the pantleg over the boots and add ankle spats as well as toe spikes to the boots.
6. Jetpack is required


That looks pretty much like what woul dbe needed.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Slade Kel on Jun 27, 2012, 02:58 AM
Falin hit it right on the head, and he's one of the leading experts on the Protectors. The MPs are among the most strictly regulated of the Brigades, being canonically based, but you're already very close to it. I hope to see your stuff adjusted to match and your Brigade Application soon!
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Slade Kel on Sep 05, 2012, 05:10 AM
About time :P. I expect your application sometime in the near future!
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Vardøger "Var" Wraith on Dec 28, 2012, 08:16 AM
Nice!

I'll have to hit you up for some paint tips on how you get that nice flat matte look. I've been trying to get the gloss down a bit on my stuff.
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Kelan Ord on Jan 04, 2013, 08:52 PM
Pretty sweet MP you got there Ca'tal!!! Can't wait to turn Kelan into one of you guys!!!!
Title: Re: Mandalorian Protector's GET IN HERE!
Post by: Uneek Top'El on Jan 12, 2013, 10:25 PM
Yep , All nice kits, making a MP also!!  8)