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Mandalorian Armor => Helmets => Topic started by: Peregrinus on Mar 02, 2011, 03:53 AM

Title: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Peregrinus on Mar 02, 2011, 03:53 AM
I know I promised to start this about a week ago. A cold can really knock one off one's stride. >_< I'm more-or-less caught up to where I wanted to be before I started this thread, so here goes.

As I have remarked elsewhere on the subject, I am not aiming for "make it look less like a toy". I am aiming for "as close as I can get it to an idealized film-accurate Boba bucket". With changes, since it isn't gonna be Boba, after all. I'm still girding my loins for another foray into the wonderful world of sintra to see if I've ironed out the bugs in my template system for my eventual metal scratch-builds. And in the meantime, this makes a fun diversion that I'll probably keep around as a backup or secondary helmet.

First of all, we are all familiar with the raw materials in question:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/P9240072.jpg)

After entirely dismantling it, I could get to work. Incidentally, I got the entire sound system out, including both earcaps, completely intact, including the connecting wire. If anyone wants 'em, let me know.

Most significantly, to compensate for the oversized earcaps, I had to take about twelve millimeters off the front half of the dome:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00009.jpg)

Here's the revised front half matched against the back half:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00010.jpg)

Then I had to bring the back skirt up to the correct length (again, idealized symmetrical, of course):

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00011.jpg)

And cut off...:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00013.jpg)

Taking care of the keyslots is one of the next steps, so I'll get back to that area in a future post.

Next the dent had to go. It's pretty deep, and I didn't want to add that much filler unless I had to. Besides, I had other ideas for the iconic dent, so I removed it...:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00016.jpg)

...And here it is:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00015.jpg)

Then the dome got epoxied together:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00017.jpg)

And here it is cleaned up and ready for the next step:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00023.jpg)

Next I have to fill the dent hole (much more shallowly than if I'd left it in), putty over the dome seam and moulding defects, revise the keyslot area and finish off the back skirt line... And a few other minor cleanup details. Then I get to go to town on the cheeks and ears. Here's a preview...

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00020.jpg)
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00019.jpg)

Part of what's taken me so long also is that I'm working on an MR CE Stormtrooper helmet and four Hasbro Clonetrooper helmets alongside this one. Those WIP threads forthcoming, but not tonight. ;)

--Jonah
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Belleg Com on Jun 19, 2011, 11:53 PM
any chance of an update? ive got a hasbro and have been putoff by the ears and would really love to see how this one worked out.
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Peregrinus on Jul 19, 2011, 09:10 AM
ive got a hasbro and have been putoff by the ears

Yeah, those are pretty... impressive... earcaps. :-\ Mine are sitting on my "free to good home" pile. *chuckle*

Anyway, UPDATE! Cuz, y'know, I've been working on this thing and stuff...

And remember -- when I say "right" and "correct" I'm referring to the measurements of the original Boba helmet that I'm using as base inspiration, not saying it's the only way to do things.

First, capping off the last picture of the helmet in progress, the filled in and smoothed over dent:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00048.jpg)

But before that, I'd superglued strips of sintra to the inside of the dome seam and epoxy-puttied the edges to reinforce and blend:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00049.jpg)

I also filled in the existing "turn signals" and placed correctly-shaped ones the right height above the brow band -- this is them mostly shaped and still in need of a little cleanup:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00063.jpg)

And I added a 1mm strip of sintra to the bottom edge of the brow band to widen it to the correct 13mm:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00065.jpg)

And prepped the leading edges of the back skirt to anchor the new side pieces:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00050.jpg)

Which, speaking of:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00047.jpg)

Glued in place on the right cheek piece:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00054.jpg)

From the outside:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00053.jpg)

I also glued a strip of sintra along the inner edge of the mandibles to help anchor the reshaping:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00058.jpg)

And an assembly of scrap sintra bits at the bottom of each "tusk" to extend them to the right length:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00056.jpg)

Then epoxy putty to reshape the curve of the cheekbone to something more like the original:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00060.jpg)

I built up the lower edge of the visor opening, as well, but seem to have not taken any close-ups of that while I was doing it. Thought I had. :-[

At any rate, here's the left side glued on with the join to the back skirt puttied over:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00061.jpg)

And the whole shebang reinforced on the inside:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00062.jpg)

When I cut the cheek pieces off, I did so straight level, and shortened up the side of the upper part to 8mm, so once I added the strip of sintra, the corner of the visor opening is the correct 7mm high:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00066.jpg)

Then we get to more stuff I thought I took pictures of -- the second laminate layer of side pieces cut from 1mm sintra and glued onto the first, and then the epoxy putty over that to get the get the depth and contours right. Here's the current result, partway through cleanup:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00097.jpg)

Those reference lines mark the front and back edges of the scratchbuilt earcaps, and the midline reference.

If I do another one of these, I'd move the corners of the visor slit and the back edge of the cheek insets back several millimeters, and -- depending on what that does to the mandibles' positioning -- maybe leave off the vertical strips on the insides of the tusks. As I have it now, if I were to take those off (which I might), then the vertical part of the T would be the correct width. Since it's only a millimeter on each side, I'll probably just leave it as is.

Which is currently still in need of a bit of cleanup and finishing off the keyslot opening, but:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00098.jpg)

Getting there...

--Jonah
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Bairu Wapek on Jul 19, 2011, 11:28 AM
Nice mod, with the removal of the ears you could make this s brilliant deathwatch helmet
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Kora on Jul 19, 2011, 09:11 PM
Deathwatch helmets, from what I've seen, have longer cheeks and are more squinty eyed (just going off the few I can find on the forums to look at as I've never messed with one in person). While a lot of HBF mods do tend to look more DW, this one has been shortened and is going off of Boba measurements so it's just a standard Fett helmet. Though the HBF does certainly lend itself very well to make a DW style helmet, I think.

Perhaps some comparison pics with my 2 piece and Commando just to give a more accurate idea of the size to the viewers at home? *chuckle*
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Peregrinus on Jul 20, 2011, 05:02 AM
Kora's right, the Death Watch helmet is a more stylized design. Mine won't look as "long and skinny" once I have the new earcaps on.

Incidentally, when using a good superglue, be careful about seepage. At least I know the parts of my helmet are securely bonded...

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/gluedfingers.jpg)

--Jonah
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Raya Ka'ra Travee on Jul 28, 2011, 10:05 AM
XD! Nice job! You're gunna hafta teach me some of your skills once I get out there. ;) And I've had similar experience with superglue... Sticky stuff!
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Mav Nexu on Sep 03, 2011, 08:43 PM
You're going above and beyond what's required to make this helmet troopable. Very nice work. This is gonna be a great bucket.
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Raya Ka'ra Travee on Sep 03, 2011, 08:54 PM
Perfectionist. ;) With everything.
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Kel Toi on Sep 03, 2011, 08:58 PM
Great work and well done, but i will stick to buyin one ! I had enough -censored- with my first bucket (2-piece) . No more ! No Frkn More ! LOL
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Niabi on Sep 04, 2011, 03:18 AM
This is one good looking HBF mod so far. Keep it up Vod and you’ll have an awesome bucket ;D
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Drichar on Sep 04, 2011, 04:13 AM
Space marines!
Howling Griffins?
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Klynn Targh on Sep 04, 2011, 12:48 PM
I was thinking lamenters myself.  But howling griffins is what they be.  Does someone love badab war?
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Peregrinus on Sep 08, 2011, 03:25 AM
Love you guys. ;D Yup, those are a goodly chunk of my Howling Griffons. I, ah... >_> I originally started them to protest the drab colors GW painted them in 3rd Edition. I used Bad Moon Yellow and Ruby Red, which is why they might look brighter to ya than what you'd expect these days. *chuckle* Here's a closer look at most of my Command section, in progress:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/SDC14091.jpg)

Once I get back home, I expect to be done with the modding phase of this project quite soon and have it primed right after. I can't wait to see what it ends up looking like either. :)

--Jonah
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: pyromastermuaddib on Sep 08, 2011, 10:40 AM
Great looking helmet dude! And nice Howling griffins, If we ever troop together I'll have to bring my eldar or blood angels and we'll have a quick game!
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Penni'gyr on Sep 19, 2011, 05:29 PM
So I'm jumping over here from my post on 'other things wrong with the HBF'.  I love what you are doing so far.  How did you cut the skirt and helmet so evenly?  I'm not that steady with a dremel. 

Also, what are your plans for replacing the ears?  Are you going to rebuild the 'targeting rangefinder' or leave it off?

Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Peregrinus on Sep 19, 2011, 07:01 PM
I cut things off about a millimeter or so away from the line, and then true it up from there -- first with grinding/cutting bits, then with files and sandpaper. It's tedious, but also somewhat meditative. *heh* Just have a light touch, hold the dremel steady, and let the bit do the work... not too much pressure. It's always easier to take more off than add back on.

I have the earcap bases cut out. I have the angled outer surfaces cut out. I have the 45-degree angled bit at the bottom cut out. I just need to carefully get it all together. Which I'm looking forward to doing once I get back home. The rangefinder is more trouble than I wanted to go into with this build. I'm actually just getting underway on a second HBF build, and this one is probably going to get undercoated in a nice steel finish and then offered up for sale.

I'm applying lessons learned on the first one to the second, and it ought to go a lot faster. I'll get it up to this point and then show the finishing steps of both simultaneously. With that one, I'm also leaving off the rangefinder, and going with a heavily modified Hasbro Iron Man faceplate as a drop-down blast shield.

--Jonah
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Penni'gyr on Sep 19, 2011, 08:17 PM
So your saying, 'no drinking' while doing this  :rolleyes:
I caught my hand in a belt sander this weekend working on a Tusken gaffi stick modification.   It was a 35 grit belt and I'd had a couple drinks, so I paid the price with my palm.  :P

Seriously, though, I'm not sure if I'll tackle the earpieces this go-around.  I only have one bucket, so a screw up is permanent.  Your Dremel/sanding work is amazing.  I'm just not that steady with a cutting wheel.

I look forward to seeing your finished helmet.
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Peregrinus on Dec 24, 2011, 03:39 AM
Took one on the fly while working on the last few fiddly clean-up bits. More actual progress pics coming soon, depending on how chaotic the next couple days end up being. :)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/1222111859.jpg)

--Jonah
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Mav Nexu on Dec 26, 2011, 02:05 PM
THIS is how to do a HBF conversion. I've seen SO many turn out like crap that it's good to see you take the time and effort to do this right.
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Novoc Mereel on Jan 01, 2012, 05:41 PM
Nice job!!
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Zedrin Ho'dag on Jan 09, 2012, 07:28 PM
I just started working on one of my own.  It's simply amazing to see all the different methods for modding these things.

Kandosii borarir Vod!
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Saberan Vhette on Jan 09, 2012, 10:17 PM
I have been watching your work for a couple of years now and have never been disappointed. Always awesome work.  What in the darkest pits of Hades are you not official?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!!!!!!!!!???????
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Peregrinus on Jan 10, 2012, 05:45 AM
Because I take for-freakin'-ever. Partly due to my fastidious need for accuracy or better. Partly due to near-total lack of funds/resources/workspace. Partly due to other distractions visited on me by Darth Real Life™. But I'd rather take longer than rush and hate the result. I hate nothing so much as having to re-do something. *heh*

Right now on this thing, I have to either finish clearing out the garage or wait for the weather to get warm enough to paint outside. No way to get a clear idea of how well this mod works until I have it painted a nice solid neutral color.

--Jonah
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Novoc Mereel on Jan 10, 2012, 10:14 AM
I feel like attention to detail here can only help you in the long run, vod.  :)  And I think most of us understand a lack of funds!  (I know I do!)   ;)
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Slade Kel on Jan 10, 2012, 10:37 AM
You know, one of the main points of discussion as to whether or not this thing is worth the work of modding is whether or not it can be made to actually look good, and one of the main points against it are those goofy looking earcaps. With them chopped and a custom job put in to replace them, this puppy won't even be recognizable as being a Hasbro base when you're finished. Of course, the obsessive detail work (meant in the most flattering way possible :P) you put into it might have something to with that too.
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Uneek Top'El on Jan 15, 2012, 04:08 PM
Wow just Wow, looks Great !!!
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Byrek Avery on Sep 26, 2012, 08:22 PM
Any progress on this?
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Peregrinus on Sep 27, 2012, 01:35 AM
Yes. Stand by. Pics being managed. *heh*

--Jonah
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Deimos Ordo on Sep 27, 2012, 01:40 AM
You really go all out on the conversion, this HBF looks great, looking forward to more!! :)

Lets see some armor now  ;)
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Peregrinus on Sep 27, 2012, 04:56 PM
What, this stuff?

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/0815122100.jpg)

Yeah, doing more airbrushing on some of it today, as well as final annoying fiddly-work on knees and boot armor so I can finally prime those...

--Jonah
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Deimos Ordo on Sep 29, 2012, 12:51 AM
Good color, very MP  :), are you going to install some sort of chest light?
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Peregrinus on Oct 01, 2012, 06:01 PM
What, this stuff? ;)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/0616120907a.jpg)

*chuckle*

--Jonah
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Peregrinus on Dec 04, 2013, 05:17 AM
Small update.

I have the back grille in:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00095_zpsb276fbfa.jpg)

I'll do the keyslots on my others, but fixing the Hasbro ones was more trouble than I wanted to go to for this one, so I went with something more Clonetrooper-esque.

I also am doing rangefinder-type earcaps on both sides:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00096_zps9023d0e4.jpg)

These make this helmet extra special for me, as I got them from Asok right before he died. *takes a moment* :-[

I had to do some trimming on both to get the bottom angle and earcap length right for my purposes.

And the reason I have articulated earcaps on both sides:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/0812121841.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/0812121843.jpg)

I also went ahead and stuck the exciters to the insides of the cheek plates:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/DSC00097_zps6bfed2d8.jpg)

More to come soon, I hope. Also, for those wanting to work with these helmets, I sent a couple of the visors I took out of these (one stock, one with the upper ferrules and that lip along the top edge removed and trimmed up to a more movie-accurate width across the horizontal part of the T) to T-Visor.com so he can use them to be able to offer darker, quality replacements.

--Jonah
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Mai'jis (Havoc) Cavdinn on Dec 20, 2013, 02:15 PM
it all loks real good vod. i like the visor idea. keep up the good work.
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Peregrinus on Oct 29, 2014, 01:50 AM
Been meaning to post this up for a while now. I covered the earcaps and "pre-primed" it to get an idea of what areas still needed minor filling or cleanup.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/08r1-Pre-primingtofindremainingdefects_zps621ddabb.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/08r2-Pre-primingtofindremainingdefects_zpsd89a4afd.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/08r3-Pre-primingtofindremainingdefects_zpsf433a1cb.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/08r4-Pre-primingtofindremainingdefects_zps8043181d.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/08r5-Pre-primingtofindremainingdefects_zps942dce33.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o95/Adabiel/Mandos/08r6-Pre-primingtofindremainingdefects_zps8ef96857.jpg)

While I have a few gaps to fill and such, I am really happy with how smooth the dome turned out. ;D

--Jonah
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Niabi on Nov 03, 2014, 03:02 PM
Its looking great vod ;) Just a few tiny bits here and there ;)
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Captnrex on Jan 14, 2015, 02:26 AM
soo got any color on it yet  :D
Title: Re: HBF conversion WIP
Post by: Peregrinus on Jan 15, 2015, 04:36 PM
About 50 shades of grey. :P Plumbers' epoxy putty, Bondo Plastic Metal, high-build automotive primer... Much sanding and filling and smoothing and recoating and checking for ever fewer defects. *sigh* Not in any real rush. Not going to be able to do any substantial spray-painting for another month or so. :'( Last two armor pieces for this build, my test gauntlets, the backpack, this helmet and its blast shield, two blasters... I need it to be consistently ten to fifteen degrees warmer and not raining to be able to paint outside. *sigh*

--Jonah