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Mandalorian Armor => Armor Construction => Gauntlets => Topic started by: Tyno Krast on Oct 05, 2013, 07:42 AM

Title: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Tyno Krast on Oct 05, 2013, 07:42 AM
Decided to work on a new set of gaunts for old Tyno.

My old gauntlets were fine but I screwed up the construction and paint job so bad I felt it was best to just start over.

The base is a pair of Pre-Visla/Bo Katan/Death Watch gauntlets from KW.

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6885_zpsa3655ed3.jpg)


My original gauntlets were from RKD. Needless to say RKD makes a top quality gaunt!

Here is a side by side comparison for size.

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6888_zpse46c620b.jpg)


The KW gaunts are a bit more....petite...but since I'm going for a sniper build I'm ok with something more streamlined.

I may end up combining some of the parts from the RKD gauntlets into the KW gaunts. Maybe the whip cord housing and/or the flame thrower. As long as it doesn't look ridiculous.

Also if anyone has a line on where I might be able to get some ready to go electronics I'd appreciate the help. I'd like to add lights to the gauntlets if possible but I don't have the aptitude or that tools to put together the electronics myself. A vibroblade is also on the To-Do list.
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Niabi on Oct 05, 2013, 03:54 PM
oooo this is going to be fun ;) please do go on Vod
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Drak Fiurr Verda on Oct 05, 2013, 05:32 PM
Two great sets of armor to start out on a solid base.
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Thaxos on Oct 07, 2013, 04:56 PM
Looking forward to seeing how these turn out.
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Novoc Mereel on Oct 08, 2013, 01:06 AM
Can't wait to see these come together!
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Tyno Krast on Oct 11, 2013, 08:52 PM
Quick update....

The gauntlets and handbacks have been cut out and trimmed. Still not fine sanded yet just the rough trim to get the return edges off.

I started working on the weapon platforms. The blade has been roughed out and I'm working on mounting it with magnets. More on that as the build continues.

At the moment I need your opinions for the mounting of the weapons to the platform.

This picture shows how the rockets and blaster are supposed to be mounted as per the animated series.

(metallic darts are supposed to be in the 4 slots on top of the right platform but I doubt I'll be getting the darts any time soon)

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6897_zpsc6e01a5b.jpg)

But I have a pair of leftover nozzles for a Fett flamethrower so I thought I'd go with the configuration below.

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6896_zps1fd5fd9f.jpg)

Of course the weapons would all be pushed in so you wouldn't see their mounting stalks.

What do you think?


Also you can see the markings on the left platform. That is my proposed color scheme for the gaunts. My old gaunts were all white. But since I am doing a paint job that is a bit of a nod to Cpt Rex, I was thinking of doing the gaunts grey to match the armor but with a white stripe running down the center of the "box" continuing on to the hand backs...similar to the blue stripe on Rex. The smaller box on top of the left platform will be black. The little triangle shaped window has a piece of red plexi glass in there that I may put some lights behind at a later date.

Your thoughts?
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Vhett Naast on Oct 12, 2013, 01:07 AM
If your not going to have darts, I'd say that would be a great configuration.  I was actually thinking myself the other day about using fett flame nozzles mounted similar to that on my gauntlets.  Guess great minds think alike  ;)
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Tact Kor on Oct 13, 2013, 05:11 AM
Go with the anime style and send those extra unneeded fett nozzles to me  :P

Actually I like it but have you considered adding the flame nozzle to the top of the right one and leave the blasters as they are in your first photo?
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Niabi on Oct 13, 2013, 10:55 AM
Nice  8)  i like the use of the flame nozels ;)
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Tyno Krast on Oct 19, 2013, 08:36 PM
Thanks guys!

Tract I did try that but the nozzles are too beefy to be up top. I tried several different configurations and these two seemed to be the best fit.

I've opted to use the flame nozzles because...well....flamethrower!

I also worked out a way to mount the vibro blade.

Using two magnets and two small bits of metal up front, the blade stays in place very well when extended. Then using a magnet at the base of the blade and another mounted to the top box the blade stays nice and secure when it's retracted.

The only "problem" I had was with the magnets that hold the blade in the retracted position. The idea was to flick my wrist and the blade would pop out. The problem was I underestimated the power of the magnets. A simple flick of the wrist won't budge the blade at all. The only way for me to get the blade to come out is to do a full on Wolverine "snkit" motion....bring my forearm up to my chest then throw it back revealing the blade. I figure I can put a thin bit of plastic between the magnets to soften the bond up a bit. But to be honest.....it's kind of fun doing to Wolive thing  :P

On to the pics!!!

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6898_zps6e36baad.jpg)
(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6900_zps627a89de.jpg)


Here you can see the interior of the top box. To the left is the magnet that will hold the blade in place when retracted. Up front you can see how the blade sits when extended.

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6901_zpsf4333945.jpg)

Here you can see the bits of metal up top and the magnets on the blade. The blade magnets are held in place with CA glue as well as 2 part epoxy. The reason for this is because of the stress the magnets will have to endure when ejecting the blade. Also, to ensure the magnets don't shatter, as they are prone to do, I recessed them a bit and added a shim to the top of the "cross beam". In this way the magnets never actually come into contact with the metal and the shims take the brunt of the force.

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6904_zps77944d7f.jpg)

In order for the blade to return to the retracted position I just raise my forearm and tap the tip of the blade and the wonders of gravity and magnetism do the rest. GO SCIENCE!

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6908_zps0f137365.jpg)


This image shows the box mounted to the gauntlet. I cut an access panel into the gauntlet so I can add electronics, change batteries, and/or change/remove the blade. Because of the way the access panel is cut it actually acts as "rails" for the blade to slide back and forth. I've got some extra t-visor material that i'm going to velcro over the access panel. I'm doing that so the wrinkles in the arm of the flight suit don't interfere with the action of the blade.

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6912_zps781a1365.jpg)


I'll be using this part as my 'fuel pump" for the flame thrower. I'll notch out a little recessed area on the pump assembly so the magnet can slip inside and the assembly will sit flush against the top box.

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6915_zpscca93bbe.jpg)


(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6916_zps52f84404.jpg)

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6919_zps964a14f5.jpg)

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6920_zps465eb547.jpg)

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6921_zps0c375990.jpg)

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6924_zps8ad39c9e.jpg)

Obviously we're still in the rough stages and there's still alot left to do. If I can stop playing X-Wing Miniatures I might be able to get the gaunts done in about a week. Not including electronics.

Thanks for watching and please feel free to give any advice and/or criticisim. I need all the help I can get  ;D
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Pointoforigin on Oct 20, 2013, 05:14 AM
"because flamethrower" is an excellent reason.

It's probably safer being harder to get the blade out honestly.

Overall looking great as usual ;)
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Tyno Krast on Nov 04, 2013, 10:59 AM
Thank you thank you!

Progress has been slow. Mostly because of Darth Real Life. But I managed to get all of the assembly done today. The sludge has been applied and needs to sit and bond for about 24hrs. Next will be my least favorite part of this process....cleaning up the sludge. After I finished my clone I swore I'd never mess with sludge again. Yet here we are.

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6929_zpsfae167f2.jpg)
(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6926_zps63b7cff5.jpg)


I estimate about 5-4 hours of clean up left to do on each gauntlet. Clean up will include sanding down the sludge, filling in any low spots, trimming, and a final sanding before painting.

The plan is to be ready for paint by Thursday. But that depends how long it takes for the sludge to set. If all goes well I should be ready to send in my OM application on Monday!

Thanks for watching!
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Niabi on Nov 04, 2013, 12:51 PM
Really like these vod ;)

Oh and what is sludge?
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Manbrolorian on Nov 04, 2013, 02:40 PM
Really like these vod ;)

Oh and what is sludge?

It's melted down plastic (ABS, HIPS, whatever). I've never tried it before, but it's a fairly simple process.
Put some extra pieces of plastic (the same type that your desired prop is made from) in some acetone and let it sit. The acetone will melt down the plastic and make the sludge. Slather the sludge onto the seam lines of your prop, and let it cure.
It gives off a great 1-part look to a lot of plastic kits.
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Tyno Krast on Nov 04, 2013, 03:26 PM
Yep. Exactly what Manbrolorian said.

It's basically used as a filler the same way you'd use bondo. But bondo will only fill the seam and can crack over time. The sludge will actually fuse together with the plastic to form one solid piece. No cracking, no chipping, and it's more flexible than bondo or other fillers. It's also great to make repairs to cracked or damaged armor. And it's cheap. All you need is a jar, some acetone, and the plastic trimmings from whatever you're working with.

The downside is that it is a pain in the shebs to work with. First you've got to make it. If it's too thick it won't bond and could pull right off. If it's too thin it could actually eat through the part you're trying to bond. It takes a few days to get the right consistency and you only have a minute or two to work with it. Yet once it's on it could take up to or over 24hrs to cure depending how thick it goes on. On top of that is the sanding. The endless sanding.

Although it is a huge pain I think it gives the best results when going for a seamless look and it will last forever. But the sanding......uuugghhhh
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Niabi on Nov 04, 2013, 03:30 PM
hmmm sounds interesting stuff   :rolleyes: may have it give it a go some time ;)
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Pointoforigin on Nov 04, 2013, 09:55 PM
That's the same process that a lot of guitar makers use to do binding on the edge of the instruments.
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Tyno Krast on Nov 07, 2013, 10:19 AM
I do not envy guitar makers.

vode I love the results from the sludge but working with it.....yeah....never again.....until next time  :P

PROGRESS REPORT!!!!!!!

Made a few repairs and am in the process of filling in low spots and pin holes. As you can see from the photos there are still some imperfections around the seams but I don't have time to work them out. I'm going to try but working out some of those rough patches will put me behind schedule. So we'll see how it turns out before I lay down the silver paint. I hope the weathering will disguise the mess a bit.

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6943_zps6d05bb11.jpg)
(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6951_zps638e2dd0.jpg)
(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6948_zpsa96cc61d.jpg)
(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6946_zps571eb0bd.jpg)
(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6944_zpsec28408c.jpg)
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Niabi on Nov 07, 2013, 03:16 PM
That sludge dose look good ;)
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Tyno Krast on Nov 10, 2013, 08:17 PM
Thanks Niabi!

I messed it up in a few spots so I had to go back in use some spot filler. But even that didn't work all of the imperfections out. I figured rather than trying to fight the blemishes I decided to enhance them.

When it came time to put the masking fluid on (aka toothpaste) I decided to allow the silver to show through where the imperfections were. The plan was to make my mistakes look like battle damage.  8)

It's not perfect but I think it gets the job done and it prevented me from having to spend more time trying to patch and fill imperfections that nobody is going to see anyway.

I still have all of the weathering left to do as well as some overspray clean up but the construction and the base paint is done!

Please let me know what you think. I'd like to submit my application for membership in a day or two. I think the rest of my rig is ready but I'm not sure if the gaunts are up to standard yet.

As always thank you for any advice/criticism!

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6953_zpscd5fc48f.jpg)
(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6954_zps126ff44b.jpg)
(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6956_zps65beebc9.jpg)
(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6961_zpsac3c7ac4.jpg)
(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6965_zpsaa53ed3a.jpg)
(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6966_zps3bc2442c.jpg)
(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6969_zpsf4f55178.jpg)
(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6979_zps51b76845.jpg)
(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6978_zps584a73f4.jpg)
(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6977_zpsb17a21ec.jpg)
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Vhett Naast on Nov 10, 2013, 11:12 PM
I'd say those look pretty doggone good  8) 
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Niabi on Nov 11, 2013, 01:21 PM
Love it love it love it ;)
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Drak Fiurr Verda on Nov 11, 2013, 01:50 PM
Those look great.
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Tyno Krast on Nov 11, 2013, 02:50 PM
Thanks vode!

Still have a lot of weathering left to do. Need to get these bad boys dirty.
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Tracyn Ordo on Nov 11, 2013, 07:17 PM
Looks awesome man! I love it :)
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Solus Raam on Nov 20, 2013, 01:13 PM
I had not heard of the sludge method before. Very interesting. Gauntlets looking good sir!
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Tyno Krast on Nov 20, 2013, 01:57 PM
I had not heard of the sludge method before. Very interesting. Gauntlets looking good sir!

Thanks Solus!

I can not reiterate enough what kind of a pain in the shebs the sludge process is.

going from this....

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6926_zps63b7cff5.jpg)


to this....

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/CIMG6953_zpscd5fc48f.jpg)

...is more work than I'd care to ever do again. It sucks but it gets results and you're left with a solid piece of plastic.

I did end up using some spot filler in one or two areas but mostly just to fill in the small pinholes left behind by air bubbles and to even out some uneven areas.
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Tyno Krast on Jan 02, 2014, 05:08 PM
FINALLY getting around to weathering these puppies.....

So far I've only got the right gaunt weathered. Should be able to get the left done tomorrow.

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/RightGauntlet2_zps827bb32e.jpg)
(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/RightGauntlet3_zpse843b029.jpg)
(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/RightGauntlet1_zpsffd35028.jpg)



I also changed the way I have the outside seam closed up. The original method was using a simple 2x6in piece of industrial strength sticky velcro. It works like a charm to keep the gauntlet together. The problem is storage. I'd like to be able to break the gauntlet down into two pieces.

What I decided to do was keep the velcro in place but I sliced it down the middle so it no longer holds the gauntlet together. Next I sewed more velcro onto a couple pieces of elastic and put those inside the gauntlets. That way the gauntlet halves are securely held together as before but now I can just rip out the new elastic straps and store the bottom half of the gauntlet inside the top half for better storage.

I'll get some photos up of the new closure method if anyone wants to see it.

Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Pointoforigin on Jan 02, 2014, 09:40 PM
"If anyone wants to see it" Come on dude you know we're all addicted to pics of your kit :P
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Tyno Krast on Jan 03, 2014, 12:13 PM
Lol fair enough Point.

Here is a quick shot of the gaunts with and without weathering. As soon as I'm done posting this i will be getting the other gaunt dirty. Not as dirty as the flamethrower but still pretty messy

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/image_zps9259540c.jpg)

Here is the old closure method. Just some sticky Velcro cut to fit and acts as a hinge. Works perfect. No problems.

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/image_zpsfa9bf01a.jpg)






But i travel a lot and that means Tyno goes into checked baggage. And apparently every baggage handler on the planet is a former WWE jobber. Because the gauntlets went in as one unit and they got beat up pretty good despite my packing efforts.

So I needed a way to keep them closed but also take them apart. Simplest solution was Velcro and elastic. Same method my Cpt Rex bucket opens and closes.

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/image_zpsbbadf05b.jpg)
(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/image_zps41261455.jpg)

Now the gaunts can be broken down and stored a bit more safely to avoid damage caused by my suitcase being body slammed
(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/image_zps608e1461.jpg)


Here is a close up of the detail on the flamethrower.
When I painted on the white detail stripe the paint cracked and spiderwebbed pretty bad. But as I was doing the "scorch" marks it kind of made the paint look as if it had been damaged by the heat. So it would seem Tyno has enough credits to buy a verp but can't afford heat resistant paint. Or maybe he's broke because he bought a verp

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/image_zps3f7af48e.jpg)





Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Niabi on Jan 03, 2014, 02:01 PM
 :o

Thats some really  nice work vod ;)
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Tyno Krast on Jan 04, 2014, 12:19 PM
Thank you Niabi!


Ok final gauntlet update...well....final until I start the detail weathering and electronics installation  :P


All of the grime is applied

(http://i928.photobucket.com/albums/ad128/TommyDeluxe/Tyno%20Krast/image_zpsa31e9f6f.jpg)

Critique and advice are always welcome....and needed
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Ashenis Darkwolfe on Jan 31, 2014, 08:29 AM
Detail weathering? I dunno. They look pretty weathered to me. Looks great as is, but willing to see what you come up with!
Title: Re: Tyno Krast gauntlets WIP (Death Watch style from KW)
Post by: Tyno Krast on Jan 31, 2014, 01:56 PM
Thanks Ash!

The detail weathering is a bit of black wash to help blend in some of the splotchier areas...just to make the weathering look less deliberate and more natural. Then there will be the minor scratches. Those will be applied with a small paint brush and silver paint. Realistically if you've got that much damage to the paint there would be some little scratches and chips here and there.

So nothing major and probably nothing that will even be visible from more that 2ft away. But I think it's those smaller details that all add up to make it look a little better.  ;D