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Mandalorian Armor => Armor Concepts => Topic started by: Naakoya Naast on Oct 20, 2013, 12:50 AM

Title: First Mando Update 5/12/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Oct 20, 2013, 12:50 AM
I've decided to go for the "Beast-Tamer" theme here since it fits so well with my lifestyle (I own three horses and work on a dairy farm, for starters).   :D
For now, this is just going to be concept sketches and the like since I don't have any of my materials yet.  Since this is my first real set of beskar'gam, I'm planning on buying the base armor and then modding it instead of trying to build everything from scratch (especially since I have little to no experience with costuming).  I really like the look of TrooperJasher's femmando Legacy armor, and I've got some stuff back home in Tallahassee I can get when I go back for Xmas break.
I definitely need advice on what kind of helmet I should get. I have an EXTREMELY small head!  For example, I teach beginner riding lessons over the summer and I can give my own riding helmet to a 6-year-old who's forgotten theirs and it will fit them.  So...what is the smallest helmet I can get my hands on, cause I'll probably need it if I don't want my buy'ce to be 50% padding!

My color scheme is going to be light colors... Florida-sky-blue and sand gold with trophies I'm going to make out of horsehair and gator skull parts.

Concept sketches of helmet, V1.0. Blue: base, yellow: antenna, green/grey: trophies, pink: vents.

(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae304/Sniper16hundred/11e19542-dc4f-450b-810e-5ff1ef87b7b7_zpsa6d4bed5.jpg) (http://s982.photobucket.com/user/Sniper16hundred/media/11e19542-dc4f-450b-810e-5ff1ef87b7b7_zpsa6d4bed5.jpg.html)

(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae304/Sniper16hundred/image_zps8daae68e.jpg) (http://s982.photobucket.com/user/Sniper16hundred/media/image_zps8daae68e.jpg.html)

And with flats so you'll have an idea of the colors

(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae304/Sniper16hundred/image_zpsac0c8fe5.jpg) (http://s982.photobucket.com/user/Sniper16hundred/media/image_zpsac0c8fe5.jpg.html)

Clan symbol to be placed between helm vents.


Title: Re: Sniper's first Mando! (Now with pics)
Post by: Dylan on Oct 20, 2013, 03:17 AM
Wow, that looks outstanding. Thought I'm not a huge fan of the "scalp" or "braid" trophies, you really make them work with this design. Good luck on the build!
Title: Re: Sniper's first Mando! (Now with pics)
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Oct 20, 2013, 04:18 AM
Wow, that looks outstanding. Thought I'm not a huge fan of the "scalp" or "braid" trophies, you really make them work with this design. Good luck on the build!

Thank you! I really like the organic aspect that the braids lend to the overall design.  I may also be compensating for something since my real hair is never longer than about two inches.  ;)
Title: Re: Sniper's first Mando! (Now with pics)
Post by: Than'del Coret on Oct 20, 2013, 05:45 AM
This looks promising. I'll be watching with interest.
Title: Re: Sniper's first Mando! (Now with pics)
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Oct 20, 2013, 06:45 AM
Smallest helmet might be a SAZ J2P sized Jango helmet. But I believe HeadShot Props(formerly Skirita arms) offered a verdika helmet. I might be able to make you a metal one if those are too big but the helmet dome itself might be something like a kid,s small BMX helmet dome for the base, just to throw ideas out there.
Title: Re: Sniper's first Mando! (Now with pics)
Post by: Niabi on Oct 20, 2013, 10:41 AM
cool concept vod ;) i look forward to seeing it come together.

with Helmets the most important thing is shoulder width ;) this link should help http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=44842.0
Title: Re: First Mando, beast tamer theme
Post by: Talyc Rancor on Oct 22, 2013, 01:00 PM
Those jaws looks extremely similar to my idea of my EC helmet.  :o
Title: Re: First Mando, beast tamer theme
Post by: Ordo Riktulus on Oct 22, 2013, 02:24 PM
Turns out that we did have the same idea in our heads about the Gator Jaws. VERY nice! I can't wait to see the WIPs and the final product!
Title: Re: First Mando, beast tamer theme
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Oct 22, 2013, 02:40 PM
Those jaws looks extremely similar to my idea of my EC helmet.  :o

Yours are really cool...I can't sculpt that well! I was going to disassemble a gator skull to make most of mine and only sculpt the teeth that point downward off the bottom of the jaw. 
Title: Re: First Mando, beast tamer theme
Post by: Talyc Rancor on Oct 22, 2013, 02:45 PM
Haha, thanks. It was just a shock to see another helmet with the design of the jaws like that. Real bone would be cool. :)
Title: Re: First Mando, beast tamer theme
Post by: The Iron Forge on Oct 22, 2013, 04:12 PM
Its crazy how close this concept resembles the one we are making for mando_trophies. I guess imitation is the best form of flattery. Even the 3/4 view is almost exact from the original sketches. Should be a cool build. Does the beast tamer need to look less modern though with the ear scoops? Be sure to post updates.
Title: Re: First Mando, beast tamer theme
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Oct 22, 2013, 11:23 PM
Its crazy how close this concept resembles the one we are making for mando_trophies. I guess imitation is the best form of flattery. Even the 3/4 view is almost exact from the original sketches. Should be a cool build. Does the beast tamer need to look less modern though with the ear scoops? Be sure to post updates.

Oh, I see that now! I really like what you're doing with the horns crowning the top of the helmet.  I'm not sure how exactly I'm going to pull the jaws off though... I'll post updates when I actually start work on my helmet.
Title: Re: First Mando, beast tamer theme
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Oct 23, 2013, 06:30 PM
Ok, here's my sad attempt at modifying the mandomaker to look like Legacy armor.  I decided to add the burgundy red color just to make my color scheme more interesting, please let me know what you think!

(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae304/Sniper16hundred/MandoLegacyConcept1_zpsb9dd53c4.jpg) (http://s982.photobucket.com/user/Sniper16hundred/media/MandoLegacyConcept1_zpsb9dd53c4.jpg.html)
Title: Re: First Mando, beast tamer theme
Post by: Einn_Karel on Oct 23, 2013, 06:35 PM
i dig. cant wait to see this build get off the ground!
Title: Re: First Mando, beast tamer theme
Post by: pinocchio on Oct 23, 2013, 11:02 PM
cool, ready to see some parts.
Title: Re: First Mando, beast tamer theme
Post by: Mav runi on Oct 24, 2013, 12:19 AM
You had me at hello....that helmet is fantastic and with the kit....  :o

Definitely can't wait to see how this beauty comes to life, it's going to be awesome  ;D
Title: Re: First Mando, beast tamer theme
Post by: Rokeim Gekla on Oct 25, 2013, 12:28 PM
love the concept !
Title: Re: First Mando, beast tamer theme
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Oct 25, 2013, 01:07 PM
You had me at hello....that helmet is fantastic and with the kit....  :o

Definitely can't wait to see how this beauty comes to life, it's going to be awesome  ;D

Thank you so much! I'm really excited about getting this off the ground   :D. Progress is going to be slow going until I can get a break from college and crew competitions though.  I am going to go ahead and make myself a duct tape dummy and start on getting a template going.
Title: Re: First Mando, beast tamer theme
Post by: Niabi on Oct 25, 2013, 04:53 PM
Really cool concept vod ;)
Title: Re: First Mando, beast tamer theme
Post by: Ronin Tavic on Oct 25, 2013, 06:38 PM
If you're going for beast TAMER you'll need to have a bite gaunt, the concept lookers fantastic vod. I'm working on upgrades to my kit for Beast Hunter, so I look forward to being in the same brigade :)
Title: Re: First Mando, beast tamer theme
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Oct 27, 2013, 01:53 PM
If you're going for beast TAMER you'll need to have a bite gaunt, the concept lookers fantastic vod. I'm working on upgrades to my kit for Beast Hunter, so I look forward to being in the same brigade :)

I'm still not entirely sure how I'm going to construct the bite gaunt... I've got a lot of equine-themed things so I can probably use some of that to make something interesting.  I look forward to seeing your upgrades vod!
Title: Re: First Mando, beast tamer theme
Post by: Tracyn Ordo on Nov 04, 2013, 07:37 PM
It's a cool looking concept :) The helmet kind of reminds me of the berserker pred for the movie Predators :)
Title: Re: First Mando
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Nov 24, 2013, 08:19 PM
Ok, it's going to take awhile to get the legacy, so in the meantime I figured I should try working on a regular modern era kit (which is probably what I should do in the first place anyway).  The legacy is still on the table, but I've come up with some concepts for the "regular" beskar.

(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae304/Sniper16hundred/Armor1_zps9091a69b.jpg) (http://s982.photobucket.com/user/Sniper16hundred/media/Armor1_zps9091a69b.jpg.html)

and the buy'ce, inspired by Commander Wolffe of the GAR.

(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae304/Sniper16hundred/MandoHelmet2_zps85cd0fb1.jpg) (http://s982.photobucket.com/user/Sniper16hundred/media/MandoHelmet2_zps85cd0fb1.jpg.html)

Again, I won't be able to male any real progress until I get back to Tallahassee after my final exams are over on December 12th.  What I have done so far is to make a duct-tape mannequin and start on the flak vest.

Any thoughts on this? Do y'all see any problem areas?

One other thing, how do-able are the fully enclosed, RepCom style boots?
Title: Re: First Mando UPDATE
Post by: Ronin Tavic on Nov 25, 2013, 10:02 AM
Funny you should ask about boots... I'm in the process of scratch building a pair. When school hit I had to take a break but I intend to get them done by New Years. If be more than happy to share my hodgepodge of sketches and th like.
Title: Re: First Mando UPDATE
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Nov 25, 2013, 10:25 AM
You can use countersunk bolts within the boots with the nut on the outside to mount bootplates-take a look at Ronins thread for some ideas on how to piece together boot plates.
Title: Re: First Mando UPDATE
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Nov 25, 2013, 10:38 AM
Funny you should ask about boots... I'm in the process of scratch building a pair. When school hit I had to take a break but I intend to get them done by New Years. If be more than happy to share my hodgepodge of sketches and th like.

That would be awesome, thanks vod!  Are you going to make it a WIP anywhere? I've seen a few other people express interest in RepCom inspired armor.
Title: Re: First Mando UPDATE
Post by: Ronin Tavic on Nov 25, 2013, 12:47 PM
The link in my signature has it in the last three or four pages.
Title: Re: First Mando, UPDATE 12/29
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Dec 29, 2013, 01:18 PM
Alright, so I figured I'd give you guys some news.

I warned y'all that it would be awhile before I could do any work on my beskar'gam, and the time is almost here!  I'm finally going home for the first time since August tomorrow (wish I could have gone home for Christmas, but cows don't feed themselves) and can start really getting in some work on my armor.  I've been able to start on the flak vest in my dorm room, but armor is a different story.  If anyone has advise on where to start I'd love to hear it!

Oya!
Title: Re: First Mando UPDATE
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Dec 31, 2013, 10:49 AM
Well Ronin but PVC pipe to good use, the big 6" white stuff in a 12' length for only $20-$30, or you can use metal for sake of not having to do paint touch-ups, easy source of metal(although it is QUITE THIN) is appliance cases, i.e. microwaves, washing machines ect. can be bent by hand and in most cases can be cut with the bigger kitchen scissors so you don't really need tools or skills to work it(why some people use it...) but as for female chest plates Jay Krayt made a fantastic tutorial about it(in the tutorial section, Sintra Chest Plates))would work with PVC I think)) though if you want to make metal female chest plates you'll need thicker metal(14 gauge aluminum is what a lot of people use who do them) or 18 gauge mild steel, or if you have a few loose wires you can try something crazy like 14 gauge stainless steel(youll finish a set of pvc armour before finishing 14gauge stainless chest plates lol)

For plastic you'll need a dremal with diamond tile cutter wheels(or an angle grinder with a diamond masonry wheel  8) ), a heatgun, and some files or sandpaper to smooth out the edges(the surface of whatever is to be painte should allways be lightly sanded and cleaned)

For metal you'll need big scissors(if doing th really thin stuff), Tin Snips/Shop Shears, or Aviation Snips(the latter are my recommended). For shaping you can use your hands, a solid table, various hammers(a small and a large BallPean, aCross-Pean riveting hammer or a Brick Layer's Hammer), a Folding Bar(either in the plyers form or a long bar of metal with an opening on either side 1/4" deep and 1/2" deep), an anvil or flat sturdy metal object to bang on(you can get actual anvil shaped objects(the cheap ones wont be hardened steel but they'll get the job done) for about $2/pound(11lbs anvil about the size of a shoe for $20, 24lbs anvil the size of a cat for $40), work gloves(unless you want to get blisters cuts scratches and scraps on your hands), files(for smoothing edges, they will be SHARP after cutting), and sandpaper in the form of abrasive cloth is recommended-Emmery Cloth.
Title: Re: First Mando update 1/27/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Jan 27, 2014, 12:22 PM
Alrighty,

So the vest is almost entirely done, just have to add the eyelets on the sides, and the flightsuit is about to be ordered.  I have decided to go with aluminum for the plates, so my new question for y'all is: what kind/thickness of aluminum sheet do you use?  .063" 3003 h14 seems to be pretty workable/relatively inexpensive compared with some of the other kinds I've looked at, so what do you think? 

btw, Dresdon you're an utter lifesaver and I owe you cookies or brownies or something.
Title: Re: First Mando UPDATE
Post by: Tal Skirata on Jan 27, 2014, 01:48 PM
This is going to look killer if you pull it off and with the help you get on the merc's you'll do it . Also lets see some pics of the vest just to check the sizing as we say round here "pics or it didn't happen"  :)
Title: Re: First Mando UPDATE
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jan 27, 2014, 04:43 PM
3003 14 gauge(0.063) is a pretty good all-round thickness.
http://www.matweb.com/search/datasheet.aspx?matguid=5b30b87291e84c5e843a9b0025b7dfc6&ckck=1
With 8kpsi fatigue strength it should be pretty easy to hammer out, although to make femmando chest plates I use the following:
-a 32.oz BallPean hammer using the ball end on a block of wood to dish out the cup
-A compressed Gas cylinder lid to planish the plates on
-A 80grit FlapDisk for a 1/4" angle grinder+an angle grinder to get rid of all the hammering marks
-Mill Basterd file to clean up the edges

 I just started my MK5 today, I'm using 7075 Alloy T7351(for once in my life the specs were all written on the sheet) in 3gauge thickness(1/4")
http://asm.matweb.com/search/SpecificMaterial.asp?bassnum=MA7075T6


You'll also find 3/16" Pop Rivets useful for attaching your plates to the vest, hinges to the gauntlets ect. They're a very good allround fastener to use on beskar'gam IMO. Although you could also use machine screws if you like the look more. A drill is a useful tool as well, although you could use JB IndustroWeld or Jb SteelStik to glue the bolts or snaps to the backs of the plates.
S
Title: Re: First Mando UPDATE
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Jan 29, 2014, 12:57 PM
3003 14 gauge(0.063) is a pretty good all-round thickness.
http://www.matweb.com/search/datasheet.aspx?matguid=5b30b87291e84c5e843a9b0025b7dfc6&ckck=1
With 8kpsi fatigue strength it should be pretty easy to hammer out, although to make femmando chest plates I use the following:
-a 32.oz BallPean hammer using the ball end on a block of wood to dish out the cup
-A compressed Gas cylinder lid to planish the plates on
-A 80grit FlapDisk for a 1/4" angle grinder+an angle grinder to get rid of all the hammering marks
-Mill Basterd file to clean up the edges

 I just started my MK5 today, I'm using 7075 Alloy T7351(for once in my life the specs were all written on the sheet) in 3gauge thickness(1/4")
http://asm.matweb.com/search/SpecificMaterial.asp?bassnum=MA7075T6


You'll also find 3/16" Pop Rivets useful for attaching your plates to the vest, hinges to the gauntlets ect. They're a very good allround fastener to use on beskar'gam IMO. Although you could also use machine screws if you like the look more. A drill is a useful tool as well, although you could use JB IndustroWeld or Jb SteelStik to glue the bolts or snaps to the backs of the plates.
S

You're amazing, thank you so much!
Title: Re: First Mando UPDATE
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jan 29, 2014, 08:01 PM
np
Title: Re: First Mando UPDATE
Post by: Ashen Kelborn on Jan 30, 2014, 08:26 AM
wow, someone is good at graphics and not afraid to show it, looking real good with the green, cream and black.
looking forward to seeing it develop
Title: Re: First Mando UPDATE
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Jan 30, 2014, 10:50 AM
wow, someone is good at graphics and not afraid to show it, looking real good with the green, cream and black.
looking forward to seeing it develop

Thank you so much! Progress is going to be really slow, but I'm chipping away at it!
Title: Re: First Mando UPDATE
Post by: Ashen Kelborn on Jan 30, 2014, 11:46 AM
Thank you so much! Progress is going to be really slow, but I'm chipping away at it!

There is no rush, we'll all be here waiting....... patiently................youdoneyet?
Title: Re: First Mando UPDATE
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Jan 30, 2014, 12:32 PM
There is no rush, we'll all be here waiting....... patiently................youdoneyet?

It'll pick up a bit this semester since I'm not taking as many hours, and I hope to get it to the point of passing CRLs over the summer.

But that new concept of yours tho... It looks outstanding! I'll be watching....
Title: Re: First Mando Update 1/27/14
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jan 30, 2014, 02:08 PM
For the base colour you should look into automotive paints, I beleive Dodge has Chrystlers almost that exact same colour.
Title: Re: First Mando Update 1/27/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Jan 30, 2014, 05:59 PM
For the base colour you should look into automotive paints, I beleive Dodge has Chrystlers almost that exact same colour.

You're the expert, I'll check it out!  Your mk5 is looking amazing so far, btw.  At this point it may as well be legitimate armor.
Title: Re: First Mando Update 1/27/14
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jan 30, 2014, 06:11 PM
I guess it kinda is...I've been physically bullied a lot in the past while doing cosplay from a 10 yearold on halloween to a 14 yearold going down a flight of stairs so I guess I can't take myself away from building like that....   :(
Title: Re: First Mando UPDATE
Post by: Ashen Kelborn on Jan 30, 2014, 06:25 PM
But that new concept of yours tho... It looks outstanding! I'll be watching....

Er, thanks  ;D
glad you find it of interest, this new one is gonna be slow rolled, just to get it right, so, can relate on taking my time
Title: Re: First Mando UPDATE
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Feb 02, 2014, 10:50 PM
This is going to look killer if you pull it off and with the help you get on the merc's you'll do it . Also lets see some pics of the vest just to check the sizing as we say round here "pics or it didn't happen"  :)

Well if you insist...   ;)  Here's the flak vest! So I just stuck some shoelaces in the eyelets so you'll get an idea of what it's suppossed to look like, but the actual laces will lace through all of the eyelets and won't make the bottom corners flip out like they are here.  What are y'all thinking?

 (http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae304/Sniper16hundred/IMG_2523_zpsd575e5cb.jpg) (http://s982.photobucket.com/user/Sniper16hundred/media/IMG_2523_zpsd575e5cb.jpg.html)

(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae304/Sniper16hundred/IMG_2521_zps24ea465f.jpg) (http://s982.photobucket.com/user/Sniper16hundred/media/IMG_2521_zps24ea465f.jpg.html)

(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae304/Sniper16hundred/IMG_2519_zpsb8378f92.jpg) (http://s982.photobucket.com/user/Sniper16hundred/media/IMG_2519_zpsb8378f92.jpg.html)

(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae304/Sniper16hundred/IMG_2515_zps83d50d83.jpg) (http://s982.photobucket.com/user/Sniper16hundred/media/IMG_2515_zps83d50d83.jpg.html)
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/2/14
Post by: Ronin Tavic on Feb 03, 2014, 10:53 PM
looks a bit small.. I'd think the sides should come together a little more... the fitment is good though.
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/2/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Feb 04, 2014, 09:15 AM
Ok, I'll see what it looks like with the plate templates taped on. I can always add more fabric to the sides.
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/6/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Feb 06, 2014, 07:13 PM
Alright, this is what it looks like with the torso armor templates (minus shoulder armor).

(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae304/Sniper16hundred/IMG_2531_zpsba0adea9.jpg) (http://s982.photobucket.com/user/Sniper16hundred/media/IMG_2531_zpsba0adea9.jpg.html)
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/2/14
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Feb 06, 2014, 08:22 PM
Looks good!
Is the vest leather?
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/2/14
Post by: Ronin Tavic on Feb 06, 2014, 10:00 PM
Looks good. What about a side view?
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/2/14
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Feb 07, 2014, 12:20 AM
As a remedy for the side gaps you could easily just make a side palte that attaches with velcro?     I have a similar issue I plan on addressing in that manner, well same principal just have the armour on a flap that hides my side buckles and then the plate velcros down...or something like that.
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/2/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Feb 07, 2014, 12:10 PM
I was thinking about just sewing a leather sheath that would cover the sides, and I could incorporate plate armor into it if I can design something I like.
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/2/14
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Feb 07, 2014, 12:53 PM
That'd work just as well, attached back side of the cover and then velcro to keep it on the vest at the front or something.
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/2/14
Post by: Niabi on Feb 08, 2014, 04:19 PM
Looks good to me vod ;)
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/2/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Feb 13, 2014, 12:52 PM
Thanks so much for the feedback vode!

I made a kind of belt assemblage thingy and posted it to my soft parts thread.

http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=71767.0
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/13/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Feb 13, 2014, 04:48 PM
Plan updated to accommodate new changes.

(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae304/Sniper16hundred/Armor2_zpsab2d7b4a.jpg) (http://s982.photobucket.com/user/Sniper16hundred/media/Armor2_zpsab2d7b4a.jpg.html)

Any recommendations on color choices for any part of this kit?
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/13/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Feb 13, 2014, 08:28 PM
Woot cardboard phase! Sorry about all the duct-tape... nothing else will stick to this leather. Can you guys kind of tell what I'm trying to do with the shoulder bells? 'Cause the person who was taping them down didn't really get it, but they're pretty close. The way we had to tape them also made my flak vest do weird things... it shouldn't be a problem with the real armor, but I'll keep an eye on it just in case.

(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae304/Sniper16hundred/IMG_2568_zps76f09973.jpg) (http://s982.photobucket.com/user/Sniper16hundred/media/IMG_2568_zps76f09973.jpg.html)

(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae304/Sniper16hundred/IMG_2569_zps921abed3.jpg) (http://s982.photobucket.com/user/Sniper16hundred/media/IMG_2569_zps921abed3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/13/14
Post by: Niabi on Feb 14, 2014, 06:52 AM
Plates look cool vod ;)
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/13/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Feb 14, 2014, 11:03 AM
Plates look cool vod ;)

Cool cool, I'll look into getting ahold of some aluminum sheet and working out how I want to do the shnees.
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/13/14
Post by: Ronin Tavic on Feb 15, 2014, 03:32 PM
that concept is gonna look mean.. I can't wait to see it!
shoulder bells, layered? I see no issues there :)
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/13/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Feb 16, 2014, 11:54 AM
Off to Walmart/Lowes to get some of the stuff on the shopping list Dresdon has been so kind to provide!  :D
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/13/14
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Feb 16, 2014, 12:25 PM
for simple shoulder bells ive used metal bowls in the past-and you can probably get a better tool selection at Home depot over wamart-at least in Canada its like that
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/13/14
Post by: Yutah on Feb 16, 2014, 12:37 PM
Good luck on the metal. I like the color choices and the plate placement looks solid.
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/13/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Feb 16, 2014, 02:44 PM
Great! I'll get to fiddling with it.  I ended up skipping Lowes entirely and went to home depot for mando stuff and walmart for everything else.  I'll be ordering the sheet metal online unless anyone knows of a better supplier.
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/13/14
Post by: mishakitty on Feb 16, 2014, 03:03 PM
Officially now on my watch list ;)

On the vest - personally? I'd add a modesty panel, as in a corset, underneath the laces. I don't' see an issue with the gap, but I'm not on the app team. If it is a worry, just take a rectangle of the same fabric, sew it on to one side just past the eyelets, and then pull it over to sit underneath the laces for "modesty." Done.

Very impressed by your work and looking to see where you go with it!
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/13/14
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Feb 16, 2014, 03:28 PM
Id say check scrap yards for old aluminum street signs to save money: scrap aluminum is about $0.70 a pound- streetsign aluminums a bit harder but IMO the saved costs wouldbe worth it
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/13/14
Post by: Dar'manda on Feb 16, 2014, 05:06 PM
cool helmet design
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/13/14
Post by: TracynSenaar on Feb 16, 2014, 06:21 PM
Very very cool designs. I rather adore your original helmet designs as well as your current helmet. I'm excited to see where you end up, and I look forward to trooping with you when you're in FL!
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/13/14
Post by: z2the4 on Feb 16, 2014, 08:59 PM
Love the evolution of the color scheme, bookmarked this thread and look forward to more updates!
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/13/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Feb 16, 2014, 09:07 PM
Officially now on my watch list ;)

On the vest - personally? I'd add a modesty panel, as in a corset, underneath the laces. I don't' see an issue with the gap, but I'm not on the app team. If it is a worry, just take a rectangle of the same fabric, sew it on to one side just past the eyelets, and then pull it over to sit underneath the laces for "modesty." Done.

Very impressed by your work and looking to see where you go with it!

I never would have thought of that, thanks vod!
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/13/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Feb 16, 2014, 09:09 PM
Thank you all so much for the support!
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/13/14
Post by: Vanlande Ne'trasenaar on Feb 17, 2014, 02:11 AM
Caught this today. Interested to see where it goes!
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/13/14
Post by: Dar'manda on Feb 17, 2014, 03:33 PM
Another Berry student working on armor? Where were all of you while I was a student? =D
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/13/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Feb 17, 2014, 06:32 PM
Another Berry student working on armor? Where were all of you while I was a student? =D

It's great to have a partner in crime here, especially at such a small college.  I didn't expect anyone else here to be interested in the Mercs, but here we are!

Dresdon, you were right. Steel takes forever. >< Progress slow, will update sometime in the next few days.
Title: Re: First Mando Update 3/16/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Mar 16, 2014, 12:08 PM
Ahhh! You all are so sweet! Joining this club was the best decision since choosing Berry!

So it's been a month since I last updated, and I figure I owe y'all something.  I got a dremel over spring break and have been chipping away at my chest and ab plates.  Slightly out my mind- using 16gauge steel plate, but you know, it's fun.  I've got the chest plates, ab plate, collar, and chest diamond cut out- the chest and ab plates are shaped.  Stay tuned for pictures!

Also: the last couple times I tried to reply here, my comment was posted as a "new post" instead, even though I was hitting "reply." I hope this one doesn't do that too  :-[
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/13/14
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Mar 16, 2014, 12:28 PM
You may find it helpful to know that if you are going for hammered plates, increase the size of your arm stuff by 1-3" of leeway because from start to finish the armour will change you...(asuming you put enough hammering in with the addition of planishing)
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/13/14
Post by: Dar'manda on Mar 16, 2014, 01:06 PM
It's great to have a partner in crime here, especially at such a small college.  I didn't expect anyone else here to be interested in the Mercs, but here we are!

you are both welcome in my shop in Acworth to work on armor any time
Title: Re: First Mando Update 2/13/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Mar 16, 2014, 01:53 PM
you are both welcome in my shop in Acworth to work on armor any time

Thank you so much! I really want to go to some kind of mercs event sometime soon...Lok Carid and his brother went down to Atlanta this weekend for the parade, but I had already committed to something else.  If we could all meet up one weekend to work on armor that would make my year.

You may find it helpful to know that if you are going for hammered plates, increase the size of your arm stuff by 1-3" of leeway because from start to finish the armour will change you...(asuming you put enough hammering in with the addition of planishing)

^truth.

You know, I'm trying to convince my crew coach to let me count my plate-shaping sessions toward my weight training workouts, but he's just not buying it!
Title: Re: First Mando Update 3/16/14
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Mar 16, 2014, 02:15 PM
Maybe he will make it count retroactively
Title: Re: First Mando Update 3/16/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Mar 16, 2014, 07:58 PM
Ok, I promised pictures and here they are!

(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae304/Sniper16hundred/IMG_2723_zps8d52c710.jpg) (http://s982.photobucket.com/user/Sniper16hundred/media/IMG_2723_zps8d52c710.jpg.html)

and BOOM

(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae304/Sniper16hundred/IMG_2725_zps31c85098.jpg) (http://s982.photobucket.com/user/Sniper16hundred/media/IMG_2725_zps31c85098.jpg.html)

Engraved chest diamond! Not quite done yet.
Title: Re: First Mando Update 3/16/14
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Mar 16, 2014, 08:11 PM
Youll have to hammer the edges at the very least so they have a little bit of contour, it looks way better thanflat bent plates.
Title: Re: First Mando Update 3/16/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Mar 16, 2014, 08:16 PM
Youll have to hammer the edges at the very least so they have a little bit of contour, it looks way better thanflat bent plates.

Oh yeah, that's definitely in the plan.  Thin, flat plates look bad and unrealistic. Or I could avoid that problem by using 1/4" steel plates!  :P

For real though, your new beskar' is going to be all kinds of kandosii.
Title: Re: First Mando Update 3/16/14
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Mar 16, 2014, 09:18 PM
I'd us 3/8" Titanium if I could afford it the material and welding supplies  :laugh: , it's basically like ultra-light stainless steel-but since this isn't fantasy land and there are monetary limits I just used 7075 alloy so for now I'm happy with it  :rolleyes:


Title: Re: First Mando Update 3/16/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Mar 30, 2014, 05:14 PM
Had a great time at BerryCon yesterday with Lok Carid and Lucas McCoy, y'all are awesome! My motivation is back up to 100%, now if only college would just work with me...
Title: Re: First Mando Update 3/16/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Mar 31, 2014, 12:03 AM
Also...couldn't help but notice how much taller than me Lucas is. Are any of y'all around 5'3" or am I just gonna be The Baby Mando over here? Any special armoring tips for short people?
Title: Re: First Mando Update 3/16/14
Post by: mishakitty on Mar 31, 2014, 11:14 PM
I'm 5 ft 4. If you happen to make it down to Florida, there are a few shorties down here ;)
Title: Re: First Mando Update 3/16/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Apr 01, 2014, 05:21 AM
I'm 5 ft 4. If you happen to make it down to Florida, there are a few shorties down here ;)

In that case, I'll send the ewok costume back  ;)

Happy April fools day everyone!
Title: Re: First Mando Update 3/16/14
Post by: Ronin Tavic on Apr 01, 2014, 07:33 AM
There's actually a social society just for those of less imposing statures... M5. Mando Mercs mighty mini mandos.  :laugh:
Title: Re: First Mando Update 3/16/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Apr 02, 2014, 06:02 PM
Oh look, Naakoya's being indecisive again.

Been feeling a little homesick lately and it's making me lean back toward my Florida-sky-blue and sand-tan color scheme. 

Also, I got to thinking about it and I figure I should probably go for a simpler helmet design the first time around and hold off on the more elaborate Wolffe-inspired one until I have more experience (not to mention a workspace that isn't a 3-person dorm room).  New plan: make simpler, more traditional first helmet- possibly with elements from my original design (the mandibles or horsehair braid trophies) to make it interesting.

Just so it's clear, I'm very new to costuming, so I'm probably going to go through multiple materials trying to figure out what's going to work with my tastes and styles the best.  I'm playing with the steel, and I'll probably do the same thing with aluminum and sintra until I find what works. I'll post everything, because I desperately need feedback and advice, and you'll probably see some pretty cringe-worthy stuff before it's all said and done.  I'm here to try new things and learn how to do it right, not fast, and I spend a lot of time thinking things over and changing my mind.  I can tell you for sure that I'll come up with a lot of elaborate designs and ideas, but in the end I really prefer subtlety and minimalism- little details done the right way that give your kit character and life while maintaining clean lines that draw the eye and keep it from looking "busy." That's what I want to do.  It's just going to take awhile, and I'll need all the help I can get from you.

please don't throw pointy sticks at me when I come up with 5 more color schemes and change my mind 20 times.

UPDATE: everything I own is covered in bondo dust and the dorm room smells like chemicals.
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/2/14
Post by: Solus Raam on Apr 04, 2014, 03:27 PM
So much double posting my friend. Please try to update your posts if nobody else has posted.  ;)
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/2/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Apr 09, 2014, 03:58 PM
So much double posting my friend. Please try to update your posts if nobody else has posted.  ;)

So now that I know what "double posting" means... sorry Solus...

Update: Learning how to bondo.

Send help.
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/2/14
Post by: Solus Raam on Apr 09, 2014, 05:01 PM
Thank you! No worries we all had to learn at some point. Good luck with the bondo. Bondo is my enemy.
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/2/14
Post by: Yutah on Apr 09, 2014, 05:23 PM
Mix as directed and  make thin coats. I also suggest a mouse sander.
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/2/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Apr 09, 2014, 05:46 PM
I've gotten it fairly smooth, but the edges are being hard to deal with... I'm hoping that my dark paint scheme and shadowing will hide them a bit.
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/2/14
Post by: Yutah on Apr 09, 2014, 05:55 PM
Pics would help... :P
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/2/14
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 10, 2014, 02:04 PM
Noes dont bondo your hammering marks!
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/2/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Apr 10, 2014, 02:32 PM
Noes dont bondo your hammering marks!

Don't worry dear, I'm talking about the poor rubies 1pc that's been sitting in my room for six years warping away.  James/Lucas said to replace the cheek pieces and glue in a craft ring to help it keep its shape so that's what I've been working on this week.

Still can't find that confounded craft ring though... :(
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/2/14
Post by: Ronin Tavic on Apr 10, 2014, 03:15 PM
I used some epoxy putty around the bottom of mine. What did you use for the cheeks? I put a 4sale sign, and it was real thin, so I doubled them by putting a second piece of plastic on em.
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/2/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Apr 10, 2014, 03:48 PM
I used some epoxy putty around the bottom of mine. What did you use for the cheeks? I put a 4sale sign, and it was real thin, so I doubled them by putting a second piece of plastic on em.

I found a box in my dorm room made of that really thick, solid cardboard and used that...we'll see if it holds up, but it seems to be doing fine for now.
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/2/14
Post by: Ronin Tavic on Apr 10, 2014, 06:43 PM
cardboard as the outside? or the reinforcer? cardboard on the outside wont paint very well... :-\
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/2/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Apr 10, 2014, 09:43 PM
cardboard as the outside? or the reinforcer? cardboard on the outside wont paint very well... :-\

As reinforcement. Bondo on the outside, hence my complaining. ><
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/2/14
Post by: Ronin Tavic on Apr 10, 2014, 10:06 PM
cut up trashcan is a good alternative... just saying :) (i hate bondo, and will do anything i can to avoid it as much as possible. my first j2p helmet had no bondo at all. still looked boss  ;) )
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/2/14
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 11, 2014, 06:23 AM
Aaaah ok, if you on the other hand have an easier time getting it, 3/8" copper or steel pipe works pretty well too if you have pipe benders.
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/2/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Apr 13, 2014, 06:56 PM
Spent last week working on my buy'ce... thoughts?

(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae304/Sniper16hundred/Buyce1_zps4a5af1ce.jpg) (http://s982.photobucket.com/user/Sniper16hundred/media/Buyce1_zps4a5af1ce.jpg.html)

(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae304/Sniper16hundred/Buyce2_zpsd2b83946.jpg) (http://s982.photobucket.com/user/Sniper16hundred/media/Buyce2_zpsd2b83946.jpg.html)

(http://i982.photobucket.com/albums/ae304/Sniper16hundred/buyce3_zpsfed3cc62.jpg) (http://s982.photobucket.com/user/Sniper16hundred/media/buyce3_zpsfed3cc62.jpg.html)
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/13/14
Post by: Cin Vhe'rang on Apr 14, 2014, 01:32 AM
Spent last week working on my buy'ce... thoughts?
Clean, vod!  Looks good.

Hit the dome and cheeks with a light black wash, and you'll be good to go. :D
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/13/14
Post by: Ashen Kelborn on Apr 14, 2014, 03:04 AM
Clean, vod!  Looks good.

Hit the dome and cheeks with a light black wash, and you'll be good to go. :D

Don't forget some scratches with high grit sand paper first to give more of a worn look
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/13/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Apr 14, 2014, 09:01 AM
Clean, vod!  Looks good.

Hit the dome and cheeks with a light black wash, and you'll be good to go. :D
Don't forget some scratches with high grit sand paper first to give more of a worn look

Thank you both, I'll get on it!

No idea why the first pic is upside down though....
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/13/14
Post by: Dar'manda on Apr 14, 2014, 02:38 PM
got your craft ring in there?
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/13/14
Post by: Niabi on Apr 14, 2014, 03:52 PM
Nice Looking bucket there vod ;)
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/13/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Apr 14, 2014, 07:19 PM
got your craft ring in there?

I can't find a store here that has them, probably going to end up ordering one online or waiting a few weeks and getting one in FL. How's the shape looking to you?
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/13/14
Post by: Yutah on Apr 14, 2014, 07:21 PM
No michael's up there?
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/13/14
Post by: Ronin Tavic on Apr 14, 2014, 08:47 PM
I never put a craft ring in my j2p.... Cut a strip of plastic, and get it melted hot, then press it on the inside lip of the helmet. Shock it with a cold wet sponge, and instant cheapo ring.
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/13/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Apr 14, 2014, 09:12 PM
No michael's up there?

There is a Michael's, but they don't have craft rings. Or fabric. Or a lot of other stuff... but they did have E6000 so that's something!
I never put a craft ring in my j2p.... Cut a strip of plastic, and get it melted hot, then press it on the inside lip of the helmet. Shock it with a cold wet sponge, and instant cheapo ring.

I might do that... Mine's a 1pc and its got a tendency to warp when I'm not looking  :-X
Title: Re: First Mando Update 4/13/14
Post by: Dar'manda on Apr 25, 2014, 10:06 AM
Any heat and that plastic will warp along with the rest of the helmet.
Title: Re: First Mando Update 5/12/14
Post by: Naakoya Naast on Aug 21, 2014, 10:31 PM
THIS WIP HAS BEEN MOVED- NEW UPDATES WILL NOW BE HERE:

http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=74837.0

Thank you all so much for your support!