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Scout mando?
« on: Apr 28, 2016, 06:31 PM »
Hi all I am new to the site and I am planning my first set of armor. I'm thinking about a "scout" mando build with a gray and black tiger stripe patern so I am wondering what you all would suggest for class of mando armor and how much I should weather the pece? Thank you for your support and help

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Re: Scout mando?
« Reply #1 on: Apr 28, 2016, 10:49 PM »
If you take a look at modern earthly armies and their equivalent to what Mandos have in the Star Wars universe, scouts would equate most readily to light infantry.  Typically, they carry the least amount of stuff.  They carry lighter loads, often have lighter armor than other infantry units.  To me, this suggests, for a scout Mando, a light to medium armor design.  As a scout, I'd think you'd want lighter coverage.  You could move more quietly.  And when needed, move faster. 

Let me quote from the Brigade Requirements List for the Special Operations: Recon profession:

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Recon
Official Member specializing in obtaining information on enemy locations and troop dispositions.

Recon Requirements

Armor Requirements

    Light to Medium Armor


Weapon Requirements

    Primary Blaster: Pistol or carbine or rifle. If a rifle is carried, it cannot be styled as an obvious sniper rifle, it should be an assault or battle rifle type weapon.
    Hold-out or back-up Blaster (for example, the ankle-mounted blasters worn by Scout Troopers).
    Knife, machete/beskad, entrenching tool or some combination of the three. (Cannot be more than two total; recon should carry the bare minimum gear to get the job done, as they'll often have to move quickly.


Addtional Required Equipment

    Macro/electrobinoculars (either hand-held or helmet mounted).
    Obvious communications device: (extra antennae on the helmet, backplate-mounted 'com pack', com device worn at the belt).
    Several 'spare ammo' pouches, as well as pouches or small packs for rations and first aid, such as thigh pouches or larger belt pouches.


Optional Additional Gear

    Jet/ Jump pack.
    Grenades
    Flares (such as those worn by X-Wing pilots).
    Ghillie Cape (should be minimal, so that it gives the appearance of a ghillie suit, but does not cover all of the armor).


This should give you a good idea of the sorts of things you want to have for your kit as a scout.  If you're not wanting to shoot for the Brigades, feel free to use this to generate your own ideas and add, subtract, or substitute to your heart's desire for your custom scout Mando.  It's a good list, though, for a scout to consider, I feel.   :)

As to your idea for a tiger-strip camo pattern - you can't use any off the shelf camo patterns.  You'll need to do your own custom pattern and put it up in your WIP to get approval from the App Team.  Alternately, you can ask the App Team directly, using this form.  Just be sure to include your pics in either your WIP or your question.  And if you're not sure how to post pics, check out this thread.

I'm looking forward to seeing where you go with this.

Oh, and you can have as much or little weathering as you like.  Personally, I think the more weathered, the better.   ;D

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Re: Scout mando?
« Reply #2 on: Apr 29, 2016, 03:58 AM »
Thanks for your help. As a veteran of both Iraq and Afghanistan I understand exactly what you are talking about I kinda feel dumb for asking in the first place. I was not planning to do an off the shelf pattern but it is good to know that I can't although it does seem strange that the mando recon elements don't carry sniper rifles as modern day recon units make great use of the weapons but the list will help me greatly thanks again.

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Re: Scout mando?
« Reply #3 on: Apr 29, 2016, 10:27 AM »
Sniper and recon are separate brigades, that is why.

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Re: Scout mando?
« Reply #4 on: Apr 29, 2016, 12:51 PM »
Another note on the camo thing*

Would it be possible for us to see a mock up of your potential paint scheme? 

You could model your pattern after a Nexu as they had gray stripes that you could make the argument for as it's an in-universe creature.  In my opinion you could try that, but I think the app team will very closely scrutinize any sort of camo.


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Re: Scout mando?
« Reply #5 on: Apr 29, 2016, 01:14 PM »
Someone did tiger stripes, custom painted, for one of their kits. So long as it is a hand painted, not off the shelf camo, you should be ok.

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Re: Scout mando?
« Reply #6 on: Apr 29, 2016, 01:26 PM »
Someone did tiger stripes, custom painted, for one of their kits. So long as it is a hand painted, not off the shelf camo, you should be ok.

The last kit I saw w/stripes was actually not approved due to the stripes/looking to earthly (non-star warsy)

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« Reply #7 on: Apr 29, 2016, 03:40 PM »
Wow thanks a ton for all of the suggestions it really helps!!!!! I had not thought about using a nexue for my mock up but I really like the idea the tan-grey and black would just look awesome I am going to go ahead and steel that. It has always been the plan to hand paint the armor but now knowing that that type of camo pattern will receive extra scrutiny I will have to spend extra time working my patern to make sure it passes snuff the original reason that I was going with the tiger-stripe was the clone recon troops in the tv show had kind of a sideways tiger-stripe on there armor and I thought it would look cool if it was just slanted instead but with an in story creature to work with it would make perfect sense for a mando to model his camouflage off of it especially when you consider the fact that the animal in question is a successful predator  :)

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Re: Scout mando?
« Reply #8 on: Apr 30, 2016, 08:34 PM »
Basing your camo off the Clone Wars show would be a pretty smart thing to do, I think. 

I'm far from being a member of the Brigades, but I would think that the reason Recon mandos don't have sniper rifles is that the idea is that they're there specifically for gathering intel, marking targets for artillery or air strikes, things like that.  I'd imagine that recon specialists aren't supposed to get into combat at all.  They're supposed to ghost in and ghost out.  Personally, if I were thinking of going Recon, I'd try to talk my wife into shooting for Sniper - I'd find the target, she'd take them out.  heh

And thanks for serving, vod.  I'm an Army brat who planned on wearing the uniform, but wasn't able to due to a blown knee.  So I appreciate you putting it on the line.

At any rate, I'm really looking forward to following your WIP.

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Re: Scout mando?
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2016, 03:29 AM »
thanks again for all the support the recon requirements list is hugely helpful. it got me doing some google searching and I found this http://www.forum.rebellegion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17178 which I am going to use for my flares but also i think with a little tweaking and some creative use of pvc pipe, clear plastic and colored liquid i can use the same concept for everything from medpack auto injectors, to smoke grenades, grenades, and extra ammo for my gauntlet rocket. i just have to find the right amount of gear to carry inorder to meat the requierments and my own take on what a mando recon speclast would carry without overloading the armor set

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Re: Scout mando?
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2016, 06:32 AM »
As a definite clarification for animal print patterning - earth animals will likely not pass, however using patterning from any of the in universe beasts that have good references will likely be allowed. Orangey tiger is a no, tawny nexu fine. If in doubt, just ask, we don't bite - honest.

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Re: Scout mando?
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2016, 12:22 AM »
thank you very much for your help right now i am trying to gather mats to start the build i will keep you posted on what i come up with as i complete each part

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Re: Scout mando?
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2016, 06:40 PM »
here is the concept that I was asked for I stole the img from the mandomaker and edited it in paint sorry it may look really rough 



thanks again for all your input

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Re: Scout mando?
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2016, 10:12 PM »
Cool concept pic, vod.  I'm looking forward to seeing you build this.

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Re: Scout mando?
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2016, 12:12 AM »
thanks I am working on gathering the materials to start the build you have no idea how hard it is to get Sentra in el Paso tx  lol. also there is the issue that I am going to deploy soon in witch brings me a new question how long dose a build normaly take?

thanks agan for all your help

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Re: Scout mando?
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2016, 10:45 AM »
Its all based on how you want it to look in the end.  Start reading through the tutorials and getting ideas.  I thought for sure I would be able to bust mine out in a month or less, and even with 2 weeks off of work and lots and lots of after work and weekend hours, after two months and I still was not done.  Not saying it cant be done.  I did read a thread on here, I was trying to find it to link it to you about building a kit.  Basically the guy was telling you, you have 3 options when you build your kit...

1. it will be nice
2. it will be on a budget
3. it will be done fast

You have to pick 2 of the 3, cause completing all 3 is near impossible.  You can do it fast and nice by buying everything already pre-made, but your going to spend a pretty penny.  You can do it fast and on budget, and quality will suffer.  Or you can do it on a budget and it will be nice, but it wont be done fast.

Not trying to discourage you, but just trying to give you a heads up on what your about to jump into.  Pick 2 of the above options, start reading/watching tutorials, then sit down and start making a parts list of stuff you know for sure you need to buy.  The list will grow faster than you can cross stuff off as you go, but trust me, its worth the time/effort.

The nicer you want your kit, the more money your going to spend.  I have roughly $400-500 into my kit and I made most of it myself.

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Re: Scout mando?
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2016, 01:00 PM »
Thanks alot for the heads up now I just need to find all of the mats and get started

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Re: Scout mando?
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2016, 08:22 PM »
ok so some weapons ideas I am working on the first is my holdout pistol (witch btw I have no clue how I am going to build lol) I like it due to the fact that it is sleek and simple although I have decided that I am not going to use an ankle holster (as a soldier I absolutely hate them as they are not truly functional at all) I am considering a chest rig for it but I am not sure as I do not want to cover the chest diamond (it is just way to iconic it almost makes the armor as much as the helmet)
the only issue I see coming up with the use of this weapon is the fact that it dose not come form the modern star wars era it is more of a crusader era but the explanation that I thought of for it is that it is a modern reproduction of an older weapon design. what do you think?



the second weapon I was planning on making for my kit is the OK-98 blaster carbine I have a line on a cheep airsoft MP-7 that I think when paired up with an off the shelf .22 rim fire scope, some PVC, Sentra, Bondo, and a cool paint job I can turn it into a cool looking compact version of the gun. 



so those are my ideas thus far what do you think? I thank all of you in advance for any advice and critiques and criticism that you have for me.

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Re: Scout mando?
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2016, 08:48 PM »
The revolver-style blaster could absolutely work for a modern mando with some updating.  For a reference, check out this thread (it's the second blaster down). And for your carbine, that sounds like a plan, vod.  Looking forward to seeing this progress.

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« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2016, 09:51 PM »
thanks man, I'm glad that it should work as far as progress goes I'm not sure when it will come but when it dose it should be fast and furious. If I can get all the mats and the time before I leave I plan to try to get it all done as best I can (I hate to leave a job half finished) but the perfectionist in me will most likely wait until after the deployment so as of right now I plan to use this thread to  work and refine my idea and plan as much as I can. witch brings me to my next question? are there any rules on how to make a beskad? do i have to stay close to the pics i found on the web or can i go a little crazy with it? I was thinking of a short sword stile design with a sawblade back end. kind of a multi purpose thing part tool, part weapon, all bad -censored- you know. also i was wondering what are the rules on gauntlet weapons for a recon mando i was wondering if the rules for this is more like that of D&D where if they don't say that you cant then you most likely can, or is it more like 40K and if the rules don't say that i can then i cant? cus i cant picture a mando without wrist mounted weaponry but maybe i just need to broaden my train of thought.

thanks again for all your help


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Re: Scout mando?
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2016, 11:24 PM »
Here are the BRLs for Recon:

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Recon Requirements

Armor Requirements

    Light to Medium Armor


Weapon Requirements

    Primary Blaster: Pistol or carbine or rifle. If a rifle is carried, it cannot be styled as an obvious sniper rifle, it should be an assault or battle rifle type weapon.
    Hold-out or back-up Blaster (for example, the ankle-mounted blasters worn by Scout Troopers).
    Knife, machete/beskad, entrenching tool or some combination of the three. (Cannot be more than two total; recon should carry the bare minimum gear to get the job done, as they'll often have to move quickly.


Addtional Required Equipment

    Macro/electrobinoculars (either hand-held or helmet mounted).
    Obvious communications device: (extra antennae on the helmet, backplate-mounted 'com pack', com device worn at the belt).
    Several 'spare ammo' pouches, as well as pouches or small packs for rations and first aid, such as thigh pouches or larger belt pouches.


Optional Additional Gear

    Jet/ Jump pack.
    Grenades
    Flares (such as those worn by X-Wing pilots).
    Ghillie Cape (should be minimal, so that it gives the appearance of a ghillie suit, but does not cover all of the armor).


So weapons on your gaunts are perfectly acceptable.  As for your beskad, I think a sawback would qualify it as multi-purpose, but I'm not totally up on everything with the Brigades.  You can always drop a PM to Dha Bral - he's one of the Brigade Marshals, and should be able to clarify that for you.

And it you have to wait until after deployment to build your kit, no sweat.  We'll be here whenever you can start putting it together.  No rush, vod.

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Re: Scout mando?
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2016, 11:50 PM »
thanks vod you have been the best guide through this. I have a bunch more ideas to bounce off the board but first I need to send some pm's and do a little thinking about how to do it

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Re: Scout mando?
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2016, 09:28 PM »
Happy to help, vod.  Really looking forward to seeing you put this kit together.

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« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2016, 01:08 AM »
So I have a couple of questions and they both may make me look dumb but I have been trying to figure this out and really all I'm doing is giving myself a headache
so I am just going to chance it

1 how do I choose the template that will be closet to my size? I am going for a Jango stile armor with a Executioner helmet ( I have a big nugget and I think the combo will just look cool as all get out I am thinking naming this mando the mandaolorian word for specter)

2 what thickness of Sentra is the best to go with? I found a place that sells it pretty cheep the only issue I have with the place is they only sell 4*8 sheets witch I think may be a lot but that is nice cus it gives me plenty of extra in case I mess up     

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Re: Scout mando?
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2016, 06:18 AM »
Unless you have the exact same body as Jango's actor you will likely have to do a bit of adjusting to the templates. You may be lucky and be a close fit, in which case, print off the right height template and just do a little trimming.
If you're not even close in shape then what I do is print out the template that is listed for my height. I then tape that up and check that it fits heightwise - ignore the width (collar is right up at the neck and just below the point where it would be choking you, and the bottom of the ab is around your navel. Then I print off the template that will fit my body width (for me that's two up in size to go round my assets). Again, tape them on and look at whether you can move your arms without too much crinkling of the paper etc and again, for these ones ignore the height. I then set the two templates down together and trim them so that they mesh together into a size that actually fits me.

There is nothing wrong with having a stash of extra sintra around. With very good tetris style cutting I got 2 full size medium kits and 2 smaller light kits out of one 8 by 4 sheet.
3mm is the thinnest you want, while 6mm is around the thickest. If you plan to do any layering on the plates I recommend 3mm as layering 6mm leaves the plates with a craft foam like thickness. I always make knees and backplates from 6mm if I can, the rest I use whatever thickness comes to hand. I think I'm currently using 5mm.

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