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 Fenn Shysa's canon appearance?

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Re: Fenn Shysa's canon appearance?
« Reply #30 on: Dec 21, 2009, 07:13 PM »
I think if you were to build a Fenn utilizes all sources, like I did when I built my Mandalore th Indomitable, staying true to teh character and keeping the "tell" markings like the white face, gauntlet mounted blasters and jaig eyes, you'd be fine. Fenn isnt accepted by the 501st... I don;t know why... perhaps no one's tried? But, for the sake of this club, f you were to do Fenn, copying any one of teh sources or utilizing them all would be fine. Just as long as it was clearly Fenn when you were done.

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Re: Fenn Shysa's canon appearance?
« Reply #31 on: Dec 21, 2009, 07:26 PM »
I've wondered about that myself; why there are no Fenns in the 501st. Maybe because he's an enemy of the Empire?

But he isn't allowed in the Rebel Legion either. :(

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Re: Fenn Shysa's canon appearance?
« Reply #32 on: Dec 21, 2009, 07:36 PM »
Yes, it would be because he's a rebel.

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Re: Fenn Shysa's canon appearance?
« Reply #33 on: Dec 21, 2009, 07:48 PM »
Doesn't there also have to be 3 canonical references to make the costume acceptable in the 501st? Hence why Imperial Knights are not allowed.

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Re: Fenn Shysa's canon appearance?
« Reply #34 on: Dec 21, 2009, 08:37 PM »
I don't think it's because he's a "rebel". He's a Mandalorian and although Jodo and Jaster were not Imperial's they are classed as Bounty Hunter's, I would imagine Fenn would be the same as with all Mando's when they allowed customs, regardless of your characters "backstory".

Also, the 3 references thing is possible however, where are Jaster and Jodo's 3 references? Yet they are allowed.

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Re: Fenn Shysa's canon appearance?
« Reply #35 on: Dec 21, 2009, 08:43 PM »
Those classed as "Bounty Hunters" or "Denizens of the Empire" are those non-Imperial characters that would/could conceivably side with the Empire. Why they include Tuskens, I have no clue.

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Re: Fenn Shysa's canon appearance?
« Reply #36 on: Dec 21, 2009, 08:51 PM »
I don't think it's because he's a "rebel". He's a Mandalorian and although Jodo and Jaster were not Imperial's they are classed as Bounty Hunter's, I would imagine Fenn would be the same as with all Mando's when they allowed customs, regardless of your characters "backstory".

Also, the 3 references thing is possible however, where are Jaster and Jodo's 3 references? Yet they are allowed.


As far as I know, both the 501st and the Rebel Legion require 3 canonical visual references to allow an expanded universe costume.  But, you make a good point about Jaster and Jodo.

Maybe part of the problem with Fenn being accepted into either one is the inconsistency of his appearance across the references that do exist. Unless each version were to be regarded as a separate costume. But in that case purple Dengar should be allowed in the 501st too.

Those classed as "Bounty Hunters" or "Denizens of the Empire" are those non-Imperial characters that would/could conceivably side with the Empire. Why they include Tuskens, I have no clue.

I guess because Tuskens are "bad guys".   But  Fenn Shysa....enemy of the Empire, liberator of his people, and ally of the Rebel Alliance.....is a "good guy".   :P  


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Re: Fenn Shysa's canon appearance?
« Reply #37 on: Dec 21, 2009, 08:55 PM »


Also, the 3 references thing is possible however, where are Jaster and Jodo's 3 references? Yet they are allowed.

For Jodo, IIRC, the 3 refs were comic book, trading card, and action figure.  I have no idea if there's ever been a Jaster action figure, but I would guess 2 of hsi refs would be comic book and trading card?

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Re: Fenn Shysa's canon appearance?
« Reply #38 on: Dec 21, 2009, 10:02 PM »
I have a Fenn Shysa costume waiting in the wings once I've gotten a good enough start on my custom. I am one of the ones who is going to start wtih ESB-Boba and go from there. Largely copy-pasted from another board, and slightly edited, is me reasoning here:

ere's the big reference:



The rest of that issue, he's wearing something lighter, but still has the same helmet, belt, and gauntlets.

In that picture, Boba, Fenn, and Tobbi Dala all have the same basic (incorrect) colour scheme. Here's the cover of the same issue:



So the cover colorist had a slightly better idea. But still, both of those were using this image for reference:



*sigh*

So my first step was to opt to correct the colours back to what they should be. I have accumulated all the heavily-researched original paints, with a couple exceptions/revisions. Here they all are...



The only one that isn't ESB Boba is the pale green third from the right (NYC Jade Green) that I'm going to lighten with white and use for the jaig eyes.

The belt has six double-wide pouches across the front, then a pair of leather versions of Boba's side "saddlebags", then six regular Boba pouches across the back.

The hardest part has been nailing down the gauntlets, as the blasters on them are drawn differently from panel to panel. Minus the wookiee scalps, sidearm, and slung blaster, the rest is probably going to be straight ESB Boba.

I just finished scanning every panel Fenn appeared in (in his armor and as more than a silhouette) through the entire Marvel run, #68, #99, #100, #101, and #107. I'm cleaning them up now. I like his Mandalore armour, too (first appeared in #99, back to green in #100), and would do the flightsuit as more of a saffron linen and the armour in polished bare-metal. But I far prefer the Boba-esque armour. :)

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Re: Fenn Shysa's canon appearance?
« Reply #39 on: Dec 21, 2009, 10:34 PM »
action figures don't count as references

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Re: Fenn Shysa's canon appearance?
« Reply #40 on: Dec 21, 2009, 10:41 PM »
They do for Baron Fel.

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Re: Fenn Shysa's canon appearance?
« Reply #41 on: Dec 21, 2009, 11:05 PM »
Here's a question, do alternate covers count as part of the same source, or a different one, since they are often farmed out to a different design team.

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Re: Fenn Shysa's canon appearance?
« Reply #42 on: Dec 21, 2009, 11:35 PM »
Here's a question, do alternate covers count as part of the same source, or a different one, since they are often farmed out to a different design team.

Hmm, good question. I would say, in my opinion, that if the artist is different then it's a different source.

Here's a pretty good Fenn Shysa I found on the Dented Helmet.

http://thedentedhelmet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33141&highlight=fenn+shysa

Looks pretty awesome to me. If I was going to do a Shysa I would use this for some inspiration. Might make some small changes, like changing the flighsuit color to green for example.

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Re: Fenn Shysa's canon appearance?
« Reply #43 on: Dec 21, 2009, 11:41 PM »
For Jodo, IIRC, the 3 refs were comic book, trading card, and action figure.  I have no idea if there's ever been a Jaster action figure, but I would guess 2 of hsi refs would be comic book and trading card?

Well, the comic book thing has been 2 pronged... 1. to get in kits they want... two seperate comic appearances has been fine. To keep out those they dont want, comics, regardless of the number of appearances count as 1 medium.

Even if that's the case though, how do they justify Jaster who only appeared in 2 of the 4 issues of Open Seasons and looked different in each issue?

Anyway, yes there is a Jodo action figure. It was a lousy repaint of a lousy ESB Boba Fett figure. It came our early 2009... long after Jodo was accepted to the Legion.

I honestly think Fenn has merit to be accepted by the Legion if someone were to try. Honestly dont know that it's been attempted yet. I'm aware of the Fenn seen at TDH, that was the one I saw at SDCC09 and although a beautiful kit, I felt it was just wrong for Fenn. But, that's just me. There have been Boba Fett toys made from the Boba Fett comics loos and they looked like the comics. The Legions Boba costumes are based on how he appeared in teh movies. Since Fenn appeared in comics only, I don't think it's fair to the character to make him appear like Boba Fett did in the movies. He should look like he did in the comics. Were we to get an application here for a Fenn Shysa, I would vote against the one on TDH. Again, it has nothing to do with the quality of the build, I would take it as a generic Mandalorian Protector. However, I feel it doesn't accuratly portray Fenn Shysa as he's been seen in all refrence material and is a disservice to the character.

Personally, at the moment, I'm just gunning for TK 2280 to get his Kal Skirata Legion approved. He has as many or more references as Jodo and Jaster do and the kit's top notch!

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Re: Fenn Shysa's canon appearance?
« Reply #44 on: Dec 21, 2009, 11:56 PM »
I dunno, one of Kal's appearances he's not even wearing armor


May I just say, the threads lately have been intellectually stimulating. I have enjoying having all the nerdy conversations on these EU jaster/deathwatch/fenn topics  ;D

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