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 Don't protectors and true Mandalorians overlap an awful lot?

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Re: Don't protectors and true Mandalorians overlap an awful lot?
« Reply #15 on: Aug 09, 2011, 01:43 AM »
Where do these two factions fit in with the True Mandalorians and Deathwatch? I'm a bit confused with that.

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Re: Don't protectors and true Mandalorians overlap an awful lot?
« Reply #16 on: Aug 09, 2011, 09:24 AM »
Protectors don't fall in with either one.  The original EU story explains that clone Alpha-02 *Spar* led 212 Mandalorians recruited from police forces and "home guard" to fight during the clone wars.  Later on that story was revised so that they fought on the separatist side during the clone wars. 

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Re: Don't protectors and true Mandalorians overlap an awful lot?
« Reply #17 on: Aug 09, 2011, 09:52 AM »
As far as I know, the original story said it was Boba leading them in the Clone Wars, then retconned to Spar leading them. I also don't remember it being said specifically that they fought for the Seps, but I could be missing a reference somewhere.

Basically yes, though, Protectors are a wholly separate organization from the True Mandalorians and Death Watch, although it can be construed that they were something of a revival of the former due to Spar's memories of Jango's life.

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Re: Don't protectors and true Mandalorians overlap an awful lot?
« Reply #18 on: Aug 09, 2011, 02:16 PM »
lookit that. we all did something constructive.

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Re: Don't protectors and true Mandalorians overlap an awful lot?
« Reply #19 on: Aug 09, 2011, 02:29 PM »
Don't get used to it. I'm sure we'll be back to our normal argumentitive selves soon enough.

it's the way of the interwebs

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Re: Don't protectors and true Mandalorians overlap an awful lot?
« Reply #20 on: Aug 09, 2011, 10:08 PM »
See, now this is where I'm confused. According to wookiepedia....

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The Mandalorian Protectors, also known as the Mando Cabure in Mando'a, were a branch of the Mandalorian Supercommandos and were formed during the Clone Wars.

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Mandalorian Supercommandos, or Mando Ori'ramikade in Mando'a were elite Mandalorian soldiers that followed the Supercommando Codex, as written by Jaster Mereel.

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The Supercommando Codex was a guideline to proper Mandalorian behavior drafted by Jaster Mereel upon becoming Mandalore in 60 BBY.[1] The goal of the Codex was to purge the dishonorable and savage ways that had become prevalent among them; however, a group of Mandalorians under Tor Vizsla opposed the reforms, leading to the Mandalorian Civil War.[2] The later Mandalorian Protectors would revive the codex in their establishment.[3]

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The True Mandalorians were a Mandalorian group of supercommandos who remained loyal to Jaster Mereel, their leader and the reigning Mand'alor, when Mereel's reformist ideals for the Mandalorians were met with opposition from Tor Vizsla's radical splinter group known as the Death Watch. Comprised of elements of Mandalore's standing army and a number of prominent Mandalorian clans, the True Mandalorians battled the Death Watch in a series of conflicts across the galaxy that would collectively become known as the Mandalorian Civil War, a civil war that would lead to their near eradication at the Battle of Galidraan. The sole True Mandalorian to survive the events of Galidraan was Jango Fett, Mereel's adopted son and his successor as Mand'alor following his death on Korda 6, a man who went on to become a famous bounty hunter and spawned a clone army in his image for the Galactic Republic.

Sooo....am I confusing myself here?

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Re: Don't protectors and true Mandalorians overlap an awful lot?
« Reply #21 on: Aug 10, 2011, 12:01 AM »
As it's from the Wookieepedia, then yes, you're just confusing yourself because anyone with a computer and an internet connection can write anything they want there. Even if you compiled it from the various sources, you'd still confuse yourself as there's a significant amount of retconning going on.

I'll try to explain as best I can from the many and various discussions that I have had with others about it, and that others have had with still others.

In basic chronological order: Jaster Mereel forms the True Mandalorians and writes the supercommando codex. Jaster Mereel adopts young Jango Fett after Jango's family is murdered by the Death Watch. Jango goes on to become a member and eventual squad leader of the TMs until Jaster's death, at which point Jango becomes the leader of the TMs. The TMs are mostly wiped out by jedi at Galidraan due to the DW tricking the jedi into thinking the TMs were murdering innocents. Jango is taken prisoner and sold into slavery.

Many years later, Jango escapes and goes freelance until being sought out by Count Dooku to serve as the clone template. Alpha 02, Spar, one of the first official ARC troopers off the line, begins having memories of Jango's life. Spar goes AWOL and eventually links up with future mand'alor Fenn Shysa, forming the Mandalorian Protectors with Shysa and Tobbi Dala, using Jaster's supercommando codex as a basis for their doctrine. Eventually Spar is killed by Ailyn Vel, daughter of Boba Fett because Vel believed he was in fact Fett.

At some point, the MPs more or less disbanded, either due to Spar's death, Shysa's death or just due to no longer being needed.

Much later, during the Yuuzhan Vong war, Boba assembles a group of 100 mandalorians known as the supercommandos or Ori'Ramikad, first to fight for the Vong, then against them. It's never clearly stated that the supercommando codex had anything to do with them, but it's suggested to Jango passed it on to Boba via the small device with a series of advice on it that he gave to Boba as a child.

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Re: Don't protectors and true Mandalorians overlap an awful lot?
« Reply #22 on: Aug 10, 2011, 12:17 AM »
As it's from the Wookieepedia, then yes, you're just confusing yourself because anyone with a computer and an internet connection can write anything they want there.

Not so. You can write whatever you want there, but then whatever you wrote is immediately deleted and reverted back to what the moderators and administrators choose.

But ya, basically what Slade's saying is that members of some groups form the others but they're still all different.

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Re: Don't protectors and true Mandalorians overlap an awful lot?
« Reply #23 on: Aug 10, 2011, 03:08 AM »
Oooh....okay. That's confusing, but makes a lot more sense now.

Thanks.  :)

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Re: Don't protectors and true Mandalorians overlap an awful lot?
« Reply #24 on: Aug 10, 2011, 03:39 AM »
Heh, it is still a little confusing, but you're welcome. Best way to think of it is as a progression, a lineage of sorts; Jaster passed it down to Jango, who indirectly passed it to Spar, and Boba built off of it in honor of Jango, specifically Jango's desire to further Jaster's legacy.

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Re: Don't protectors and true Mandalorians overlap an awful lot?
« Reply #25 on: Sep 19, 2012, 10:50 PM »
Mia asked me to update this thread since the Mandalorian Protectors article on Wookiepedia was updated.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mandalorian_Protectors

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Re: Don't protectors and true Mandalorians overlap an awful lot?
« Reply #26 on: Sep 20, 2012, 12:29 AM »
Dunno if it's my comp or the wiki article but, there ain't no pic-uh-tures.

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