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[Dar'manda]

question is in the title.

[Mandalore the Uniter]

Nope, totally different time periods.

True Mandalorians were pretty much wiped out at Gallidraan under Jango Fett.  Protectors didn't come about until during the Clone Wars.

There's no proof that the ideals/goals of each group was the same. 

[Dar'manda]

gotcha.

learned something new today. The protectors were formed by who?

[Hondo Karr]

Spar.

There are alot of similarities at a casual glance. But, if you look at the requirements for each, they are quite different aside from colors.

[Dar'manda]

threw me off cuz the ideologies are very similar also

[Hondo Karr]

Yeah they are more or less.

It's more a matter of recognizing them for their physical appearance differences and to help unify their look per the canon refences.

[Dresdon Rayne]

But wouldn't the true Mando's have been reborn under Skirata and his clan? 

[Hondo Karr]

But wouldn't the true Mando's have been reborn under Skirata and his clan? 

Nope, they really at least in what's been written, had nothing to do with them.

[Slade Kel]

threw me off cuz the ideologies are very similar also

Understandable confusion; the ideologies are near identical, 'cos Spar, the ex-ARC Trooper that formed the MPs, carries a lot of Jango's memories, and it can be assumed that he basically formed the MPs as homage to Jaster's TMs.

But wouldn't the true Mando's have been reborn under Skirata and his clan? 

Nope, they really at least in what's been written, had nothing to do with them.

Pretty much this; Spar was only affiliated with the Skirata Clan insofar as to help with the 'escape from Coruscant' and to get the de-aging treatment once it was developed. Otherwise, he had very little to do with them and went off to do his own thing.

[Dar Kyram]

Just a question about the brigade symbol for Mando Protectors.

is that cannon or did Mando Mercs design it (or someone within Mercs do so?)

My question stems from the fact that the Mando Protectors seem to base its uniform design off of Boba Fett's, which seems to be the token canon inspiration for other MPs. According to the CRLs, the symbol for the brigade is worn on the left shoulder pad, where Boba Fett has the Mythosaur Skull. So... wouldn't the Mythosaur Skull be more accurate for this specific brigade?

Just wondering... I've been somewhat far out of the loop, yanno, being way out here in the Outer Rims the past eight months.

[Hondo Karr]

Fett's skull is teh kre'bes or crown. It is what replaced the lost mask of the Mand'alore.

In the Marvel comics, the sigil picked is shown on the protectors left shoulder plate. Out art team cleaned up the couple of images of it.

[Slade Kel]

If you check out the bottom of Falin's post here: http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=28916.msg577288#msg577288 it shows a few of the clearer shots at the MP sigil from the old comic books. Until/unless something more concrete surfaces in regards to sigils worn by them, it's the best we have to go on.

[Mafio]

Spar.

There are alot of similarities at a casual glance. But, if you look at the requirements for each, they are quite different aside from colors.

I thought it was Ahsoka and a bunch of Police-cadetts. 

[Dar Kyram]

Fett's skull is teh kre'bes or crown. It is what replaced the lost mask of the Mand'alore.

In the Marvel comics, the sigil picked is shown on the protectors left shoulder plate. Out art team cleaned up the couple of images of it.

Aaah, got'cha.

[Tobias Creed]

I enjoy watching Star Wars fans discuss stuff. Fun stuff yo....fun stuff.

[Cando Pax]

Where do these two factions fit in with the True Mandalorians and Deathwatch? I'm a bit confused with that.

[Mandalore the Uniter]

Protectors don't fall in with either one.  The original EU story explains that clone Alpha-02 *Spar* led 212 Mandalorians recruited from police forces and "home guard" to fight during the clone wars.  Later on that story was revised so that they fought on the separatist side during the clone wars. 

[Slade Kel]

As far as I know, the original story said it was Boba leading them in the Clone Wars, then retconned to Spar leading them. I also don't remember it being said specifically that they fought for the Seps, but I could be missing a reference somewhere.

Basically yes, though, Protectors are a wholly separate organization from the True Mandalorians and Death Watch, although it can be construed that they were something of a revival of the former due to Spar's memories of Jango's life.

[Dar'manda]

lookit that. we all did something constructive.

[Dar'manda]

Don't get used to it. I'm sure we'll be back to our normal argumentitive selves soon enough.

it's the way of the interwebs

[Cando Pax]

See, now this is where I'm confused. According to wookiepedia....

The Mandalorian Protectors, also known as the Mando Cabure in Mando'a, were a branch of the Mandalorian Supercommandos and were formed during the Clone Wars.

And then....

Mandalorian Supercommandos, or Mando Ori'ramikade in Mando'a were elite Mandalorian soldiers that followed the Supercommando Codex, as written by Jaster Mereel.

And then...

The Supercommando Codex was a guideline to proper Mandalorian behavior drafted by Jaster Mereel upon becoming Mandalore in 60 BBY.[1] The goal of the Codex was to purge the dishonorable and savage ways that had become prevalent among them; however, a group of Mandalorians under Tor Vizsla opposed the reforms, leading to the Mandalorian Civil War.[2] The later Mandalorian Protectors would revive the codex in their establishment.[3]

And then.....

The True Mandalorians were a Mandalorian group of supercommandos who remained loyal to Jaster Mereel, their leader and the reigning Mand'alor, when Mereel's reformist ideals for the Mandalorians were met with opposition from Tor Vizsla's radical splinter group known as the Death Watch. Comprised of elements of Mandalore's standing army and a number of prominent Mandalorian clans, the True Mandalorians battled the Death Watch in a series of conflicts across the galaxy that would collectively become known as the Mandalorian Civil War, a civil war that would lead to their near eradication at the Battle of Galidraan. The sole True Mandalorian to survive the events of Galidraan was Jango Fett, Mereel's adopted son and his successor as Mand'alor following his death on Korda 6, a man who went on to become a famous bounty hunter and spawned a clone army in his image for the Galactic Republic.

Sooo....am I confusing myself here?

[Slade Kel]

As it's from the Wookieepedia, then yes, you're just confusing yourself because anyone with a computer and an internet connection can write anything they want there. Even if you compiled it from the various sources, you'd still confuse yourself as there's a significant amount of retconning going on.

I'll try to explain as best I can from the many and various discussions that I have had with others about it, and that others have had with still others.

In basic chronological order: Jaster Mereel forms the True Mandalorians and writes the supercommando codex. Jaster Mereel adopts young Jango Fett after Jango's family is murdered by the Death Watch. Jango goes on to become a member and eventual squad leader of the TMs until Jaster's death, at which point Jango becomes the leader of the TMs. The TMs are mostly wiped out by jedi at Galidraan due to the DW tricking the jedi into thinking the TMs were murdering innocents. Jango is taken prisoner and sold into slavery.

Many years later, Jango escapes and goes freelance until being sought out by Count Dooku to serve as the clone template. Alpha 02, Spar, one of the first official ARC troopers off the line, begins having memories of Jango's life. Spar goes AWOL and eventually links up with future mand'alor Fenn Shysa, forming the Mandalorian Protectors with Shysa and Tobbi Dala, using Jaster's supercommando codex as a basis for their doctrine. Eventually Spar is killed by Ailyn Vel, daughter of Boba Fett because Vel believed he was in fact Fett.

At some point, the MPs more or less disbanded, either due to Spar's death, Shysa's death or just due to no longer being needed.

Much later, during the Yuuzhan Vong war, Boba assembles a group of 100 mandalorians known as the supercommandos or Ori'Ramikad, first to fight for the Vong, then against them. It's never clearly stated that the supercommando codex had anything to do with them, but it's suggested to Jango passed it on to Boba via the small device with a series of advice on it that he gave to Boba as a child.

[Dar'manda]

As it's from the Wookieepedia, then yes, you're just confusing yourself because anyone with a computer and an internet connection can write anything they want there.

Not so. You can write whatever you want there, but then whatever you wrote is immediately deleted and reverted back to what the moderators and administrators choose.

But ya, basically what Slade's saying is that members of some groups form the others but they're still all different.

[Cando Pax]

Oooh....okay. That's confusing, but makes a lot more sense now.

Thanks. 

[Slade Kel]

Heh, it is still a little confusing, but you're welcome. Best way to think of it is as a progression, a lineage of sorts; Jaster passed it down to Jango, who indirectly passed it to Spar, and Boba built off of it in honor of Jango, specifically Jango's desire to further Jaster's legacy.