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 "Droids" variant of Boba Fett - Beginning Work

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"Droids" variant of Boba Fett - Beginning Work
« on: Sep 11, 2013, 05:25 AM »
Hello, everyone -

For some time, I have wanted to build a Boba. However, there have been many obstacles to that process. In addition, I wanted to do something "slightly different" with Boba than is usually done. I have decided to begin work on a "Droids" Boba Fett. After discussing the project with my local Clan, there seems to be enough support to give it a go, and I hope, perhaps, to build it to an approvable standard.
I have done a great deal of research on the project over the last several months, and I'll be glad to share what I find here, particularly if it strengthens my case any, and even better, if it perhaps inspires interest in the more obscure Fett builds.

I assume this is the right place to post this kind of stuff. I apologize if not; please feel free to move this thread if it would be better placed elsewhere.

The "Droids" Boba Fett appeared between 1985 and 1986 in at least three episodes of the "Droids" animated series, which takes place in the roughly 13 to 15 years between Episode III and Episode IV. The armor, while nominally similar to the armor in "The Star Wars Holiday Special," is different in many respects, particularly in terms of color. In addition, the "Droids" version of Boba carries the weapons that he will later be seen carrying in "The Empire Strikes Back" - notably the EE-11 Carbine (minus a sling, so far as I can tell) and the K-5 Disentegrator pistol.

Why choose the "Droids" Boba? I did seriously consider the "Holiday Special" Boba, but the references for Droids are more consistent, and on a personal note, while "Droids" was no masterpiece, it was a darn site better than "The Holiday Special."

So, that said, I tried to find an appropriate color reference for this version of Boba. While "Droids" has been slightly better preserved than the "Star Wars Holiday Special," the images that have survived are still not the highest of quality. The best reference we have is actually something that appears in several places, a cardback proof for the action figure that was released when Kenner did a line of "Droids" repaints during the late 1980s. Oddly enough, the "Droids" action figure for Boba was just a standard ESB era Boba, with no repaint, and was not particularly accurate for Droids (or for ESB, in general.)

Here's the image I'm speaking of:



So, before we get into colors, which I'll cover in the next post, the first step was to determine in what ways this Boba differs from his film canon incarnations in terms of armor style and design. This involved looking at screenshots, and cross comparing them to the artwork for the cardback. A few bits that may interest some of you.

1. There is no Chest Diamond, and the pectoral and abdominal plates are quite closely spaced.

As with "The Holiday Special" (THS) version of Boba, there is no chest diamond with the Droids Boba, and furthermore, the armor plates are quite closely spaced - almost touching but "not quite" - probably just enough to be flexible, if we were to imagine this as a real life piece.

2. The Bracers/Gauntlets are highly simplified.

Although Boba is theoretically wearing the same style Gauntlets that he does in later incarnations, the Gauntlets here are quite simple and devoid of extraneous greeblies and weapons systems. The right gauntlet is little more than the slanted structure seen on the standard right hand Fett gauntlet, with no other detail. The left gauntlet is essentially a platform mounting the rocket pod seen in other versions of Fett. There are no hoses, there is no flamethrower, etc. While we do see that Fett can fire a Whipchord from a projector on the bottom of his right gauntlet in THS, this is not immediately apparent in any other scene from that program, nor does it appear to be visible as a distinct weapons system at any stage during the Droids cartoon (i.e. when he fires it, if he fires it at all, we simply see it being fired from the bottom of his gauntlet. There's no "hole" or mounting system to indicate its presence.)

3. There are no knee darts and no shin tools.

While Droids Boba wears his standard style knee guards in this version, there are four indentations on each knee, with no indication of any knee dart launcher or housing. In addition, Boba wears no shin tools.

4. The flight suit is a basic design, with no visually distinct vest, and no double sleeves. Pockets? Hard to say.

I have assumed that Boba actually does have some sort of vest beneath there, if for nothing else than practicality's sake, but I assume it's the same color as the rest of the flight suit. More importantly, however, there are no double sleeves.

Further, the costume seems to lack Boba pouches or the distinctive thigh pockets that are seen in film canon versions. There is some indication, in another surviving screenshot (seen below) that the LEFT leg may have some sort of pocket. Extrapolation leads one to conclude that, due to the slight gathering on the left leg in the cardback seen here, there may actually be at least ONE pocket, on the left thigh. But there is no indication of a pocket on the right, and that gathering could easily be explained as stance or artists convention rather than hard evidence.



My current thought is that the Droids version of the Boba Flight suit should be built in one of two ways:

- With either ONE thigh pocket on the left leg
- With no thigh pockets whatsoever

5. Boba has no girth belt or ammo belt.

There is a complete lack of girth and ammo belt in this version of Boba. However, I would argue that, since there is a holster present, one could justify the presence of a small number of ammunition pouches (as in some of the early Pre-Production versions)  and, for the sake of tying everything together, a cloth girthbelt rather than his traditional protector style belt, which would cover any unsightly gap. I would argue that the girthbelt, since we don't see direct evidence thereof, would once again be of a similar if not identical color to that of his flightsuit and vest.

6. Boba's Boots are medium length, and go up to mid point on the shin.

Unlike later versions, Boba's boots in this version are a higher, mid-shin length boot, probably canvas, like those we see in the films. The toe spikes are quite clearly present, however.

7. Boba has little, if any weathering or damage in "Droids."

While THS included the "Boba Dent" in his helmet (quite prominently, at times), there was no further weathering in that version, aside from a tattered cape. This leads me to conclude that weathering on this version of Boba should be relatively light. It should be present (we just can't have a totally clean Boba) but one should be quite conservative when doing so.

I would argue that one could have the ever-present "Boba Dent", and perhaps some scuffing in a contrasting color on pieces of the armor, in addition, to, perhaps, a dark wash on the armor and some dirtying of the flight suit, but this would be light to medium weathering and damage at best, NOT the extensive damage we see later. I would further argue that the Boba dent, while present, should not be highlighted in any other way.

There should be no other "Boba" damage if one is to do this properly. No dented cod, no blast marks on the abdominal plate, etc.  I think the cape should be relatively intact, with very little tattering (if any), though I could see some justifiable dirt.

8. There are no cape studs, and no visible back plate or butt plate.

I would argue that the cape studs should not be present, since they are clearly not there, but one could do this with or without a backplate (the early Super Trooper suits lacked backplates entirely). The buttplate is another matter I'm just not sure about. We never see it in the series. Is it present? Maybe. Is it absolutely necessary? Hard to say, but tempting to say, "out of sight, out of mind."

These are my initial impressions, and have formed the basis of the plans I have in mind. I've only included bits that aren't seen here (the addition of a cloth girth belt and vest, the presence of some ammo pouches, light weathering) because I feel they'd be appropriate in attempting to bring this into the third dimension. If you think I should leave such details alone, then by all means, let me know - it would mean less work for me in the long run. I simply think they would add to the overall impression, rather than detract from it.


I'll post more information tomorrow, considering colors and my attempts to properly identify them.

At any rate, I hope this is of interest to some of you. I welcome your thoughts and opinions!

-Alex





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Re: "Droids" variant of Boba Fett - Beginning Work
« Reply #1 on: Sep 11, 2013, 05:48 AM »
Great idea, looks like you've done some solid planning.

I've bookmarked this and am looking forward to seeing your progress.

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Re: "Droids" variant of Boba Fett - Beginning Work
« Reply #2 on: Sep 11, 2013, 02:53 PM »
awesome plan. i love seeing pre-production/concept/alternate media versions of characters. i cant wait to see how this build unfolds

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Re: "Droids" variant of Boba Fett - Beginning Work
« Reply #3 on: Sep 11, 2013, 03:16 PM »
I'm digging this

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Re: "Droids" variant of Boba Fett - Beginning Work
« Reply #4 on: Sep 11, 2013, 08:57 PM »
Thank you all for the support. Means a lot.:) Please continue to follow. Comments, questions, etc... are more than welcome.

So, we've looked at the basic differences between the armor worn by Mr. Fett in "Droids"; now, let's take a look at the armor.
Again, I've used the following image as my primary source material:



Trying to determine the actual colors was a bit of a bear at first until I had a "Eureka" moment and realized that I could do this fairly simply, by using "The Gimp" (a free graphics/photo editor program available for download online) and using its color sample tool to determine the HTML Hex codes for the colors as used in the illustration. The trick was sampling from the darkest/richest area of color and trying to avoid areas that had been overly highlighted by the artist. Generally, when trying to determine an accurate color, I've found in other projects that it is better err on the side of "darker color" than lighter color. This is particularly true of military vehicles, and shouldn't differ that much for futuristic battle armor. After all, the lighter areas are going to be areas where the surface of a vehicle/piece of armor has been exposed to the sun and elements, weathered to a lighter shade, etc.

A good rule to follow is this: colors either fade, or they oxidize, changing the color entirely, but they do not, in the vast majority of instances get "darker" with wear or exposure to the elements. (Not taking into account things like oil stains and dirt, which are fairly easy to separate from a color anyway.)


The end result was this image, which I made with the current version Mando Maker, keeping in mind that Mando Maker does not have a great deal of  flexibility in regards to armor style, and that some options (wookiee braids/padawan scalps, tattered cloaks, etc.) are simply not available.



By way of comparison, for those interested, here's a color sample from Boba Fett as seen in THS. As you can see, there is -definitely- a difference in color.



At any rate, once I had sampled colors and created the first of the above Mando Maker images, I determined that the following colors were accurate, as far as HTML codes/color types are concerned.

Body Suit/Cloth Girth Belt/Neckseal/Vest: A very light blue grey. (EDECF1) This has proven problematic, so far. I've been trying to source a flight suit or racing suit in this color, but so far, no luck. I'd like to avoid having to dye something, but it may be the only solution, when all is said and done. (If anybody has a source, I'd love to hear about it. Much less work for me!)

Gloves: A very light grey. (F1F0FE)

Boots, Helmet: The main body of the boots (not the lighter colored strip in the center) and the helmet are essentially the same color, a medium blue grey (almost a Falschirmjaeger blue). The helmet has got some significant black lining. The visor is black. (98A8C2) Obviously, the real materials are going to take color differently - and the canvas boots will end up being a different color than the helmet, but they should, at least, be similar in color/hue.

Gauntlets/Bracers: Although visually quite similar to the helmet and boots in terms of color, in truth they are a slightly different shade. I don't think one would be out of line in simply using the same color as is used in the boots/helmet, but for the sake of complete purity of color replication, they are 98A8C2.

Shoulder Armor and Collar Pieces: These are a dark grey blue, rather than a purple, as is sometimes interpreted. (6F656D) That said, one could probably find a shade of purple that is close enough to work, for all intents and purposes.

Body Armor and Knees: A medium yellow, or ochre yellow. I say "ochre yellow" because in the primary source illustration, the pectorals and ab have a slightly brownish tinge to them. This could be fairly easily accomplished with a wash. The base color, however, is FFD88B.

Cape: The main body of the cape is an orangey red (C83300). The bottom stripe (not seen here) is a true orange (FB7401).

Wookiee Braids: These are not seen, but according to the samples I took, would seem to fall in the reddish brown spectrum.

Holster Belt/Ammo Pouches: The holster belt is a leather brown. Assuming we add ammo pouches to make this slightly more appropriate and in line with every other Fett costume, we can then assume that the pouches are going to be roughly the same shade. The holster itself is a Nemrod style holster, as worn in ESB, but lacks any logo/number tooling.

Jet Pack: The colors used in Droids for the Jet pack make it clear that the color scheme for the Jetpack is QUITE similar to the color scheme used for the jetpack in THS.  Therefore, we can do a bit of guessing with extrapolation and basic logic. In THS, the main body of the pack, and the warhead of the rocket, are identical in color to the color of Fett's pectorals and ab plate, with the exception that the "shaft" of the rocket body is white. The jet nozzles, meanwhile, are a light grey (which I assume is meant to represent a gunmetal grey color. You can't paint a jet engine and expect it to keep its color for more than a few seconds after you fire those puppies up.) Using that as a base model, then, in Droids the main body and rocket pack are the same color yellow as the chest armor and knees (FFD88B). I would guess, since I don't see any hint of white in the jetpack bits seen on the cardback, that the shaft could be white OR the standard yellow shade used elsewhere (FFD88B). Jets themselves are a standard silver, or perhaps light grey. There two "domes" on each side of the jetpack. In "THS" these match the color used on Fett's helmet. So, I've done the same here. The color of the jet pack domes should be 98A8C2.

Chest Lights: Only one slit here, and it is black in every rendering from Droids and THS. I would think this could best be represented with a piece of shiny black plastic, or opaque black/smoke colored plastic if one could find it. If you wanted to get fancy and depict Fett's serial number with chest LEDs, I'd think a white LED display would be best.

So, now, we've got a very rough road map for the colors used in the actual costume!

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Re: "Droids" variant of Boba Fett - Beginning Work
« Reply #5 on: Sep 11, 2013, 10:29 PM »
All the planning you are putting into this is awesome man! What you've got all looks good to me and I can't wait to see it come together :)

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« Reply #6 on: Sep 11, 2013, 11:00 PM »
Bookmarked :D
Can't wait to see this finished!

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« Reply #7 on: Sep 11, 2013, 11:01 PM »
Nice! I love to see a good Fett build! Get it going :)

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Re: "Droids" variant of Boba Fett - Beginning Work
« Reply #8 on: Sep 12, 2013, 01:23 AM »
Thanks, guys. Glad to have so much support. Very encouraging:)

Just a brief update on a couple of other details.

Thigh Pockets:

I think I'm fairly convinced that this version of Boba should have one (1) Thigh Pocket on the left leg, and no thigh pocket on the right. Minor distinction, granted, but now that I've seen it, I can't "unsee" it. Were I writing a CRL, I might make it optional, but for myself, I'm thinking it's looking like a good detail to incorporate.

Cape:

Have just realized after staring at this thing forever that Boba's cape in Droids is a -full- cape, not one of those shelter half/poncho/Late Roman or Saxon style capes. That means that the jetpack is worn over the cape, and it also argues that a back plate may not be necessary, particularly since that might place too much weight on the costume. Still working this out (ie: how do you wear a jetpack over a full cape...?) But it's worth a thought.

Still debating whether those Knee darts should be present or not. However, since I don't see them - only divots - I'm going to err on the side of there being perforations, but no projectiles there for the moment. Willing to be convinced otherwise.

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Re: "Droids" variant of Boba Fett - Beginning Work
« Reply #9 on: Sep 12, 2013, 08:10 AM »
I did some digging and although I think it would be cool to have a Canon Fett with only one thigh pouch it seems that all the images in the episode "A Race to the Finish" which seems to be the only episode that features Mr. Fett show him with two thigh pouches.

The back plate is a hard one to nail down,  would say that you should include it as all Canon Fett's have one.



As for the cape I would say that it is not a full cape, please refer the images below.

Sorry about the poor quality of these images, these are all from Droids episode 4; A Race to the Finish












The things that are most striking to my eyes are;
1. The size of his collar piece it covers his entire shoulders
2. The shape of his visor more V than T
3. The lack of a chest diamond
4. The two rectangular designs on his chest.

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Re: "Droids" variant of Boba Fett - Beginning Work
« Reply #10 on: Sep 12, 2013, 02:09 PM »
This is going to be cool ;) do go on

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Re: "Droids" variant of Boba Fett - Beginning Work
« Reply #11 on: Sep 12, 2013, 03:13 PM »
What the big orange thing on the right?  :laugh: Nice concept mate ;)


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Re: "Droids" variant of Boba Fett - Beginning Work
« Reply #12 on: Sep 13, 2013, 03:12 AM »
Thanks much for the help, Vod.

See my comments below.


>>I did some digging and although I think it would be cool to have a Canon Fett with only one thigh pouch it seems that all the images in the episode "A Race to the Finish" which seems to be the only episode that features Mr. Fett show him with two thigh pouches.

He was actually in three episodes, according to the sources I've seen, but cuts from 'A Race to the Finish' seem to be the only ones available on line! However, you have confirmed the appearance of two thigh pouches, however, which is fine by me. They aren't terribly difficult to fabricate.

>>The back plate is a hard one to nail down,  would say that you should include it as all Canon Fett's have one.
Fair enough! However, Super Trooper V1 does lack a Back Plate. That said, I'm not sure he's considered to be a "Canon" Fett.

>>As for the cape I would say that it is not a full cape, please refer the images below.
I do think that your images help to clarify this bit. The card back makes it seem as if he's wearing a full cape, but it's fairly clear that this is, in fact, a half cape, standard Boba style, which makes things a little easier to figure out with regards to the proper jetpack arrangement.

>>Sorry about the poor quality of these images, these are all from Droids episode 4; A Race to the Finish

No need to apologize. I'm thrilled you found more images! They are hard to come by, even with the release of the DVDs about seven years ago. The show was simply not well preserved. Not as badly preserved as THS, but not exactly top quality stuff.




>>The things that are most striking to my eyes are;
>>1. The size of his collar piece it covers his entire shoulders

I think this may be an animation convention rather than a matter of practicality. Willing to be wrong on this, of course. Alternatively, one could recreate that effect with a standard Boba collar by painting the upper areas of the pectorals with the same color, so that they blend into the color, which would make things a bit more flexible and useful in a "real life" build of the armor.

>>2. The shape of his visor more V than T

Again, I think this may be an illustration style. I think it's a standard T-Visor, simply drawn at an odd angle.

>>3. The lack of a chest diamond

Definitely an interesting bit. THS Fett lacks this as well.

>>4. The two rectangular designs on his chest.

Unusual indentations, to say the least. I'm not sure what they're supposed to represent, if it is indeed indentations at all. They are shown on and off in THS cut scenes, too. Strange that they don't appear on the card back. Upon further investigation, they appear quite shallow, and I wonder if they couldn't be recreated with very basic geometrical patterns. I know that they could be interpreted as indentations, but I'm just not sure. If they are, they're quite shallow. The pieces might be able to be recreated, if as indentations, by cutting out sections and then attaching them again just below the upper. Dunno, just throwing out ideas there.

One other thing that I noticed.

Boba is most definitely wearing an ammunition belt in the images you found. It's got fewer pouches than the one in THS but otherwise matches the color of the cod/shoulder armor, which is the same convention as used in THS, and interestingly, matches the pouch arrangement for some of the Pre-Pros I've seen. That's a good thing. Gives more material to be worn in that area and makes it more aesthetically pleasing.

>>Hope this helps

Absolutely. A huge help, thanks!

-M.

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Re: "Droids" variant of Boba Fett - Beginning Work
« Reply #13 on: Sep 13, 2013, 03:14 AM »
What the big orange thing on the right?  :laugh: Nice concept mate ;)



HAH! Yes. I've noticed that a few times and had to bite my tongue on it. For those who are genuinely curious, the top area was for placement of a Droids collector coin (Kenner was big into character coins at the time), and the bottom area was for the figure blister. I'm not sure if the production examples of the cards had collector coins or not.

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Re: "Droids" variant of Boba Fett - Beginning Work
« Reply #14 on: Sep 13, 2013, 04:55 AM »
http://www.bobafettfanclub.com/multimedia/galleries/albums/userpics/10017/boba_fett.jpg

It did but it was just a straight repack of the standard Fett figure at the time.

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