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Title: Sep Ho'ban - Helmet WIP scatch build. --MK III Starts on Page 3
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Mar 16, 2017, 04:49 PM
**Update*** This is my WIP now

Hi everyone,

I just purchased this hardhat: http://www.homedepot.com/p/3M-Yellow-Non-Vented-Hard-Hat-with-Pinlock-Adjustment-CHH-P-Y12/202195393 at home depot.  My question is whether the central ridge has to be cut out, or whether I can leave it as detail and have it be approvable if I use it as the dome for a bucket from a bucket build.

Thanks in advance

Quingin
Title: Re: Home Depot Hard Hat ridge approvable?
Post by: The Bearded Mando on Mar 16, 2017, 07:38 PM
You can leave it. That's the same hard hat I and many others have used.
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP - First bucket, and from a bucket.
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Mar 16, 2017, 09:23 PM
Thanks! Decided to convert this into my WIP
(http://i.imgur.com/kDZZLTm.jpg)

First Progress pic!  How do I look so far?
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP - First bucket, and from a bucket.
Post by: The Bearded Mando on Mar 16, 2017, 10:18 PM
Might be a shade long. Try putting a light jacket on to get an idea of armor bulk. Might have some issues turning your head.
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP - First bucket, and from a bucket.
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Mar 16, 2017, 10:19 PM
That's good news actually! I was concerned it might be a shade short, and was thinking of setting the visor and cheeks down a little.  It'll move up a hair when I cover up the rivets inside, so should be perfect then.

Latest shot:
(http://i.imgur.com/ffRRrPy.jpg)
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP - First bucket, and from a bucket.
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Mar 16, 2017, 11:51 PM
**EDIT** -- Realized that in this pic, I do not have helmet tilted so that front is lower than back as it should be.  When I do that, the front is in contact with my nose and glasses.  I think I will need to find a new dome and start over with new buckets.  But at least I learned some things so far.

Planned Visor Cutout, also pic taken by someone else.  -- her sitting, me standing... now I am back to thinking it may be short though...
(http://i.imgur.com/cTh5vJp.jpg?1)
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP - First bucket, and from a bucket.
Post by: The Bearded Mando on Mar 17, 2017, 06:24 AM
do you have the hardhat crown installed? I kept it on mine and taped the templates on until I had the right size and coverage. maybe adding an narrow strip or two of the bucket material across the front of the helmet will give you the space you need for your glasses. Also before you drawn your visor in, put the helmet on and use a sharpie to draw where your sight-line is. Be sure to keep centering lines on the hardhat, it will make it easier when adding the bucket templates.
hope this helps.
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP - First bucket, and from a bucket.
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Mar 17, 2017, 08:46 AM
I already had the crown cut flush on the hardhat.  Thanks for the advice!  I have another newbie mando who I got into this with who may use what I have so far. Her cranium is not so difficult to contain.  Going scouting for domes today after I lift.  Will likely have some new progress pics later today.  Good advice on the center lines too!
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP - First bucket, and from a bucket.
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Mar 17, 2017, 12:05 PM
Alright, new domes, new buckets, 2 pics and a question
Per advice above, am leaving the flares on the hardhats this time.  Also interested in feedback about the length of the sides and front.  I think I am close.  I am about an inch longer than the standard WOF templates at present. Standard was too short above. 

My shoulders are 23 inches across, Dome 1 results in a bucket that is about 10 inches across at the base.
(http://i.imgur.com/GDQc3bM.jpg)
Dome 2 results in a bucket that is about 11 & 3/4 inches across at the base.
(http://i.imgur.com/wFyd1aw.jpg)

Please advise which dome I should use.  Thanks!
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. -- Updated -- question@lastpost
Post by: The Bearded Mando on Mar 17, 2017, 12:58 PM
Definately dome 1. Dome 2 reminds me of a bee-keeper.  :D
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. -- Updated -- question@lastpost
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Mar 17, 2017, 01:04 PM
Ok, thanks. I am leaving the flairs like you suggested.  When I am doing body work, do I need to bondo in a slope so that it slopes all the way to the edge, or can it be like a deeper brow ridge?


Base hotglued on to dome 1
(http://i.imgur.com/r8tiMju.jpg)

How is the length looking?

Thanks!
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. -- Updated -- length question
Post by: The Bearded Mando on Mar 17, 2017, 04:28 PM
You keep changing the camera angles so it is difficult to know where the dome is sitting. Right now it looks like the dome it too high and the bucket needs to come up. I put the top of my bucket level with the crown flares to give it a deeper brow. Sorry if it seems like I am giving you mixed messages. If you move the bucket up then overall it seems a bit short, but when you put the second layer on there make that a bit longer. Make sure your glasses are not an issue before you get beyond this part of the process.
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. -- Updated -- length question
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Mar 17, 2017, 04:41 PM
The bucket right now is even with the edge of the hardhat.  I thought that part was good, so I ran a bead of e6000 on the inside a little while ago.  Right now, it fits well with my glasses. 

I need to cover up the bulges around the rim though, so I may end up making a ring of singtra that ends up squaring it all off even with the top of those, and a wedge to build up the front to be flush with that ring.  That would also mean less dome would be visible.  Does that sound good/make sense?

Like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/aoy3AHA.jpg)
 The part outlined in black would be filled in with sintra, and the top part of the line would be level and connect with the dome all the way around.

Or am I in  restart territory again?


Sorry about camera angles, taking pictures blind, and each one is the best of like 15 shots lol.
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. -- Updated -- length question
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Mar 17, 2017, 06:53 PM
Okay, so new progress pic with cheeks.  I know I need to trim at bottom and plan visor.
I am going to run epoxy on all the inner seams, and then peel/shave the hot glue that is currently holding things in place, then bondo


(http://i.imgur.com/H4licZQ.jpg)

My current question is what to do about those bulges/how much dome is showing.  I pretty much need all the room that is currently in the helmet, so I can't actually move the bucket part up on the dome.  But I add a section of plastic that extends to the height of the bulges, and then a ring around the dome to level it off with that point. 

Or, would it be better to leave that much dome showing, but cut out the bulges flush, plastic on the inside, and bondo?


Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. -- Updated -- next steps?
Post by: The Bearded Mando on Mar 17, 2017, 07:55 PM
where is your sightline when you are wearing the helmet. Right now it appears to be sitting shallow, can you adjust the hard hat crown so that it fits further down on your head? here is a pic of the inside of my helmet, I dont wear glasses so I keep the crown intact. I dialed it down as far as I could.
(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af15/wolfzpaw/20170317_165652_zpsnxzldavc.jpg)
my wife wears glasses so I removed the crown, but kept the straps. It also gives the dome a lower profile.
(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af15/wolfzpaw/20170317_170028_zps4cw3oq7k.jpg)
here is the inside of her helmet.
(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af15/wolfzpaw/20170317_170042_zpsfs3x7hwe.jpg)
sorry to take so long to reply. I know you are excited to keep this project moving.
Are you also posting this on your clan forum? they will be able to help you as well. they might even have an armor party coming up.
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. -- Updated -- next steps?
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Mar 17, 2017, 08:10 PM
If I drop it any more, I will be looking at hardhat instead of orange.  I have a lot of skull -- size 8.5 hat.
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. -- Updated -- next steps?
Post by: The Bearded Mando on Mar 17, 2017, 08:41 PM
Looking at hat hat is ok. That part can be carved out to make room for your glasses. Thats what i had to do form my wife helmet. You will just want to extend the brow a bit.
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. -- Updated -- next steps?
Post by: Bowfanny on Mar 17, 2017, 09:17 PM
Skekkesh is correct. You want to drop the dome down and trim out where the visor lines up.
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. -- Updated -- next steps?
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Mar 17, 2017, 09:40 PM
I guess I don't understand... cause then I end up with  the brim of the hard hat behind an inch high wall, and I'd still have to bridge that somehow.

 If I cut off the brim, it shrinks the bucket, and then there's no room for my nose again like the first bucket... was unable to find a skating helmet or other hat that without including the brim would give me enough room.

Right now the bucket part feels right... I just wish I had a dome of the apppriate size and shallowness to fill it without a brim. 
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. -- Updated -- next steps?
Post by: The Bearded Mando on Mar 17, 2017, 09:44 PM
Just cut out the part that is in the way of you sightline.
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. -- Updated -- next steps?
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Mar 17, 2017, 09:48 PM
But what do I do about the space behind the front wall of the bucket I will be creating when I drop the dome down?
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. -- Updated -- next steps?
Post by: The Bearded Mando on Mar 17, 2017, 10:28 PM
The space created will give you space for your glasses. Your can fill the top to strips of bucket material. Try making a bucket template from posterboard. It will save you from using up buckets. Make the template about an inch too long then adnust it from there.
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. -- Updated -- next steps?
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Mar 17, 2017, 10:31 PM
Ok, that's what I was trying to get at.  I'l see if I can remove the hardhat from the bucket with a razor blade and drop it down. so that the bulges are even with the top of the bucket.  Then cover the wedge shaped mote with plastic, then figure out from there what to cut out for my vizor. 

Thanks for all your help! Will post next pics when I have them!
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. -- Updated -- next steps?
Post by: The Bearded Mando on Mar 18, 2017, 08:21 AM
I used expanding spray foam to fill the bulk of the gap on my wife's bucket. Then some hot glue, followed by bondo to finish. It helped keep the weight down.
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. -- Updated -- next steps?
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Mar 18, 2017, 11:47 AM
New Dome level:
(http://i.imgur.com/zMgcm7T.jpg)

I only tacked it in place with some hot glue to check the level.  Next step is to pull it back out because that'll make applying epoxy to all the inner seams easier.  Once the epoxy sets, remove the hot glue from the outside, epoxy the outer seams.

Before I put the dome back in place, I'm going to go ahead and sand it, and the inner surface of the bucket.  I also made plastic bits to go over the top and connect to the dome that I will grind flush with the dremel after they are firmly attached. 

Once all the epoxy sets up, I'll layout the visor, and post pics of that for more feedback.

Before I epoxy all the inner seams -- does everything look okayish with the cheeks? (haven't done anything to them from previous pics)

Thanks in advance for your feedback!

Gin
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. -- Updated -- next steps?
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Mar 20, 2017, 08:46 PM
New Progress pics -- apoxie sculpt is filling gaps and curing for 24 hours minimum.

Honesty time:  Do I stand a reasonable chance of refining this bucket into something approvable, or like the Death Stick Dealer in Episode 2... do I need to go home and rethink my life?

Pics now:
(http://i.imgur.com/BUFw3pO.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/rXZQP0y.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/yV7RMvU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Ycq3fPu.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/4kLoKIo.jpg)

Thanks again!
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. --New Progress Pics--Help Plz
Post by: The Bearded Mando on Mar 20, 2017, 09:34 PM
It's saveable. You have alot of brim there so you will have to widen the dome. Try some bucket scraps to build it out.
(http://rs989.pbsrc.com/albums/af15/wolfzpaw/20170320_182207_zpsupnh1dhz.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip)
Bucket scraps have a built in curve to make it easier. Be sure to scuff everything up before you glue.
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. --New Progress Pics--Help Plz
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Mar 20, 2017, 09:59 PM
Oh... I filled in the wrong bit with bucket strips ><
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. --New Progress Pics--Help Plz
Post by: The Bearded Mando on Mar 20, 2017, 11:24 PM
The brim part is fine. It will give you a good line to widen the dome. I will try to load a pic tomorrow to give you a better idea of what I mean.
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. --New Progress Pics--Help Plz
Post by: Bowfanny on Mar 21, 2017, 12:09 AM
Building up the dome is your best bet Vod. I'd say it's still salvageable just requires a little more work this way. But you're giving yourself room for improvement!
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. --New Progress Pics--Help Plz
Post by: The Bearded Mando on Mar 21, 2017, 05:42 PM
the brim on my wife's bucket is too wide, so I built it up with a couple of layers of sintra (scrap bucket pieces work too.
(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af15/wolfzpaw/20170321_135526_zpsbk9lvxnf.jpg)
(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af15/wolfzpaw/20170321_135539_zpsjaqs4ube.jpg)
She likes the ridge lines, so I wont blend the curve into the dome.
(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af15/wolfzpaw/20170321_135619_zps2swuf0yl.jpg)

hope that helps.
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. --MK III Starts Page 3--
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Mar 21, 2017, 10:08 PM
So.. decided to split the difference between a pep build and standard Home Depot Bucket build.

With that in mind... Quin Gin Helmet MK III!

The dome! -- WOF Templates at 110% based on the size of the brim on the MK II helmet
(http://i.imgur.com/S8WKCER.jpg)

The base-
(http://i.imgur.com/Gyzzxar.jpg)

The Visor Layer -- Decided to take the opportunity to do the squared off cheekbones
(http://i.imgur.com/Hpelyj9.jpg)
With Cheeks:
(http://i.imgur.com/96xc0iO.jpg)

Testfit!
(http://i.imgur.com/vEXhsyt.jpg?1)

Next steps: Figure out Earcaps, Keyslots, Visor Cutout, and Bondo. Will post a pic of my planned visor layout later.

Feedback welcome!
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. --New Progress Pics--Help Plz
Post by: The Bearded Mando on Mar 21, 2017, 10:17 PM
Nicely done on the dome :)
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. --MK III Starts on Page 3---
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Mar 21, 2017, 10:55 PM
Thanks. It was my friend's idea. I think it'll be a lot easier to get to something smooth this way, and I got the cheeks I Wanted out of starting over too. 

Paint Scheme and visor mockup -- thinking the trapezoid int he visor needs to be a little larger.  Please excuse my crewed MS paint work!
(http://i.imgur.com/fOaYEZX.jpg)

What do you think? Overall paint scheme for the kit is Dark Blue, White, Black, and Gray.

--Quin
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. --MK III Starts on Page 3---
Post by: Sulkon88 on Mar 22, 2017, 07:25 PM
Interested to see how this goes.
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP bucket, and from a bucket. --MK III Starts on Page 3---
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Mar 22, 2017, 10:48 PM
Earcapt concept:
(http://i.imgur.com/9JiP28L.jpg)

The bottom part is 2 layers of sintra, and then the shape in blue there is a raised tapered greeblie that tapers from bottom to top in dept in addition to width.  The darker gray rectangle inside the blue represents some kind of aliminum grating or grill work.  The black rectangles will be fairly thick, elevated greeblies, and will be pretty true to their shape here.  The top moves to 3 layers of sintra.  Thoughts? Planning to do a matched pair.
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP scatch build. --MK III Starts on Page 3--- Earcap Feedback
Post by: The Bearded Mando on Mar 24, 2017, 07:12 AM
Right now the earcaps seem a bit blocky to me. Perhaps shaping the top a bit.
(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af15/wolfzpaw/ear1_zpszwmklzcy.png)or(http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af15/wolfzpaw/ear2_zpstpcnrqoy.png)
hope this helps
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP scatch build. --MK III Starts on Page 3--- Earcap Feedback
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Mar 25, 2017, 12:06 AM
With earcaps and visor cut out.  I have pretty good vision as it sits, obviously not total, but less limited than I expected. I walked up the stiars with it on right after cutting it out.  Just enough room to slide the cheeks past my glasses, and just enough room for my glasses when It's all the way on.
(http://i.imgur.com/o9uGILm.jpg?1)

I know I need to trim the left side of the very bottom about an eighth of an inch. Fill the gaps between the earcaps and the bucket -- bondo dome, cheeks, earcamps, sand and clean up visor opening. 

What do you think so far?

And 2nd coat of bondo on dome, 1st on cheeks
(http://i.imgur.com/g5Eb1tE.jpg)
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP scatch build. --MK III Starts on Page 3
Post by: The Bearded Mando on Mar 29, 2017, 12:44 PM
A bit heavy on the bondo (you have some sanding in your future). Looking good so far.
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP scatch build. --MK III Starts on Page 3
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Mar 29, 2017, 12:49 PM
Quote
A bit heavy on the bondo (you have some sanding in your future). Looking good so far.

Has to be to even things out.  I've sanded, and am on my 3rd coat on the dome now.  I think this might be the one I can finish sand, but we'll see.
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP scatch build. --MK III Starts on Page 3
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Mar 31, 2017, 08:19 PM
This my first time interacting with bondo.  Scratch built helmet -- 3rd coat of bondo and sanded.

My question is: Am I done with bondo, or do I need another coat?

Front View
(http://i.imgur.com/UqJtyr3.jpg?1)
Back view
(http://i.imgur.com/XG9aTTs.jpg?1)

Thanks in advance for feedback.
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP scatch build. --MK III Starts on Page 3
Post by: The Bearded Mando on Mar 31, 2017, 11:10 PM
Needs a bit more filling. Hit it with a primer coat to highlight those spots. Coming along great.
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP scatch build. --MK III Starts on Page 3
Post by: Bowfanny on Apr 04, 2017, 01:20 PM
Little more bondo and then I'd start the spot putty. After sanding of course.
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP scatch build. --MK III Starts on Page 3
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Apr 15, 2017, 11:33 PM
Progress update:
(http://i.imgur.com/2n6JDb6.jpg?1)

Desided to knock the ears off and replace with a different design.  Was never happy with how bulky they had become.  New set are 2 layers of 3mm sintra, with vent holes cut in.

I need a bit more bondo on the right ear (left side of screen), and a bit of finish sanding on the dome.  Anything else jump out at anyone? (primer coat is fresh and still wet, I have not swtiched to gloss primer)
Title: Re: QuinGin - Helmet WIP scatch build. --MK III Starts on Page 3
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Apr 29, 2017, 12:43 AM
Just a progress update. Getting a mirrored visor installed tomorrow:

(http://i.imgur.com/mtAEY9e.jpg)
Title: Re: Sep Ho'ban - Helmet WIP scatch build. --MK III Starts on Page 3
Post by: Sep Ho'ban on Apr 11, 2018, 10:51 AM
Sorry for Necropost but:
Have this WIP linked in my sig, and just realized I never posted a finished helmet pic, and my inner completion gamer wants to fix that if someone is looking to build a bucket from a bucket:
(https://i.imgur.com/hozxTiD.jpg?1)

This helmet is currently assigned to table prop and bucket from a bucket build demonstration duty.  I decided to try my hand at Fusion 360 and modeled and printed it's replacement:
(https://i.imgur.com/NvsdsEg.jpg?1)