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Clan and Stronghold Regions => Canada => USA & Canada => Wasu'ran Clan => Topic started by: Tracyn Viktari on Feb 29, 2020, 01:44 PM

Title: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Tracyn Viktari on Feb 29, 2020, 01:44 PM
Hey, I'm Mercy, I'm a themdalorian (agender, they/them pronouns), and I live in the lower mainland. This is a bit of a weird WIP to make, because I've actually already got most of my kit without having time to upload stuff about it on the forums. I'm hoping to get it a little more fixed before ECCC, but I'm aware that's... probably not reasonable with me working a full time job.

But there's still some small things to deal with, so here's a picture of the kit and my to do list. ;3

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/276769648060661760/679793017812418560/20200215_102603.jpg)

(I can't for the life of me figure out how to flip it the right way up, so you get sideways Mando)

To-Do

1. Fix the gauntlets. This is technically two problems; they don't seem to stick to the velcro and have a problem of sliding down, and when they do stick they are obviously pretty loose on my tiny little pipecleaner arms. I don't think it's possible for me to make the gauntlets smaller and still have them look good, either.
Possible Solutions: Use snaps on the BOTTOM half of the gauntlet because that sits closer to the undersuit and therefore might actually snap in better. Find some foam to fill out the inside. I've been using cloth wraps for now, but they tend to end up also sliding down over time, even if they look cooler.

2. Another gauntlet issue: they keep bruising the insides of my elbows. It might be they're too long for my forearms, but again it's not something I can reasonably fix without somehow getting another entirely new set of gauntlets. Not going to happen before ECCC.
Possible Solutions: I've acquired some duck cloth and might just go ahead and sew pads on the insides to protect my poor inner elbows.

3. Visor issues. Cut the last one too short (oops) and the clips have been giving me a heck ton of difficulty getting them in.
Possible Solutions: No way around it, have to order more visor material. And do a better job of cutting. That IS a little difficult; how do you mark where to cut without messing up the material? (I'm using the material from Kalevala Visors. Will reccommend them to the ends of the earth, I'm just a dingus who isn't great at cutting). I should probably get the clips in AFTER the visor's cut too, and mark where the visor sits in the helmet. This might not get fixed before ECCC.

4. My shin plate adhering method has finally kicked the bucket; I was using a sort of velcro strap to get it around my leg and the soft side has given up the ghost. While the industrial grade velcro on the shin plates is fine, they've really wrecked the strap and they were falling off my legs a lot the last day of Vancouver Fan Expo.
Possible Solutions: I've already sewn some straps (pictures to be shown later), the issue is just... getting them on... I know you're supposed to attach more elasticy material to nylon or otherwise something that won't stretch first, and I might do that and then have it snap on. It's a full loop strap because that's how I measured it, so it'd need a good few snaps, but otherwise?

5. Waist sash! I have a pretty cool belt and some snazzy things on it (though I'm thinking I might need a bigger leather pouch to hide like my phone or something), but no sash.
Possible Solutions: This one at least is easy in theory. I've gotten a nice amount of a linen/rayon blend red fabric (again pictures to be shown later), and am intending to go for a sort of asymmetrical sash; still covering up the top of the cod plate, but more Captain Marvel-esque than just rectangular.

6. More of a minor issue currently, but the helmet and shin pieces are starting to crack just a little in places of stress. I don't really have a solution for this or know how to fix it.

7. The paint has started to flake off on my sintra plates - which is basically the chest and stomach pieces, though not the chest diamond - showing the earlier paint job I had for it underneath (a really dark blue + orange). I can't really fix it until it's flaked off a lot more, but I guess I should've re-primed it... Oops.

8. Less of a problem, more of something planned for after I get approved: a fuel tank for the flamethrower, based on the one the stormtrooper in the Mandalorian had. It's rad, I want it, Tracyn's gonna steal it right off a stormtrooper's back. I only have some rough ideas for this; I'll outline more on another post in this thread.
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Tracyn Viktari on Feb 29, 2020, 01:59 PM
Here's the pictures promised:

The straps:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/276769648060661760/683387183402319881/image2.jpg)

The material I'm planning to use to cushion my poor inner elbows:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/276769648060661760/683387182919974921/image1.jpg)

The waist sash material. My phone REFUSES to take a good picture of this, but it's more red than it looks here and rougher than my phone will pick up:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/276769648060661760/683387182232109076/image0.jpg)
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: GardenGeek on Mar 03, 2020, 04:20 PM
Hello Mercy! Welcome to the club 🙂 sounds like you need an armour party to take a look at your kit!

Careful about the double posting, it is against forum rules, if you have photos that you’d like to add to your post, you can just press the “edit” button.
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Tracyn Viktari on Mar 04, 2020, 09:48 AM
Hm. And here I was trying to make it a little easier to read. Fair enough, though.

The sash is... Cut now? It exists, but it's not sewn nor does it have a fastener yet. And of course, no weathering yet.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/276769648060661760/684773304321572870/unknown.png)

(apologize for the bathroom sink in the way)

The gauntlets... I'm still sort of squinting at them, but the space at the wrists is somewhat terrifying and I'm pretty convinced that if I added foam you'd see it no matter what just by looking down the gauntlet. So, new plan: I have some other gauntlets that I'm modifiying into like half-bracers (I think that's the term). I've also cut off a little bit of the back, because otherwise they'd be too long and bruise my inner elbows like the other set. I could do that with the main gauntlets, but... Yeah, like you said, I'll probably need somebody more experienced to squint at them.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/276769648060661760/684605106372870242/image0.jpg)
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Vorir Gah'Kurs on Mar 04, 2020, 03:32 PM
Taken from Naran Baatar:
Quote
Half bracers are a tricky thing, and get looked at really really closely. I would honestly suggest going with a full gauntlet it is a much smoother process. There is a reason there aren't a lot of approved kits with half bracers...

.... Doing simple tube style gauntlet with hand plates. It will give you a similar look while still allowing you to move at the wrist more freely. There is a GREAT guide on tube style gauntlets located here: http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=43869.0

However, a good example of a half bracer would be from one of my besties Krie Taakur.
(http://i.imgur.com/c2S88Je.jpg) (https://imgur.com/c2S88Je)

Though as GardenGeek has said, an Armour party will help you out far more than words on a computer screen ^_^
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Pyro on Mar 04, 2020, 05:16 PM
Sweet another Flame Mando!
Here's mine and a close up of my flamethrower

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49560250487_67dd2f17f1_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49560250462_5d6a7bfb87_b.jpg)
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Tracyn Viktari on Mar 04, 2020, 07:54 PM
Yeah, the current issue is that I have little time before ECCC, and I need a passable enough solution for that fast... I might be able to fix the bruising fact by maybe removing the back of the current gauntlets? Though going back and cutting more off now they're fully painted will be a pain.

And foam-wise... There's at about half an inch of room on each side of my miniscule arm I'd guess, though I'm measuring without an undersuit on at the moment. That strikes me as an awful lot of foam. There is foam on hand, I just worry it'll be visible. And if I'm leaving it foam-free on one side so I can figure out some kind of attachment - snaps??? probably? - that'll make it even more obvious.
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Jayrodadon on Mar 06, 2020, 04:10 PM
First off, I'm so glad you found us! Your kit has so much potential! I remember meeting you at Fan Expo- I was the guy chasing after Pikachu/Miles Morales (my kid), and was blown away how far you've come already.

Sadly/yay at least the cancellation of ECCC has bought you more time to figure this out before the next con. Every cloud has a silver lining, right?

When/what is the next con you're available to attend?

Earlier you mentioned velcro for your gauntlets. Did you use industrial velcro, or the normal, every day velcro? I use the industrial stuff for my plates and find them amazing, (I'm in to power lifting and so my body fluctuates when I bulk/cut, so this allows the plates to be moved when needed). I highly recommend it.

*edit*
I reread your post and saw that you did use Industrial velcro, my mistake. Odd problem though. I use that method for my knees and haven't had an issue. But either way those clips on the straps look perfect for the job.
 :)
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Tracyn Viktari on Mar 14, 2020, 03:00 PM
Update! I've taken down the old set of gauntlets and am thinking of just going ahead and cutting something that actually fits better. The gauntlets already put together might go to a friend instead.

The straps are in place on the shin pieces; I'll add a picture later, but I've literally just velcroed them in place via a strip over top of them so they're firmly squished between the soft and scratchy sides. Hasn't had a proper field test yet, but they seem to hold pretty dang well for now.

Both sets of gauntlets now have the back little bit taken off of them. I think this'll mean my poor inner elbow will now be free of bruising.

Edit:


Sadly/yay at least the cancellation of ECCC has bought you more time to figure this out before the next con. Every cloud has a silver lining, right?

When/what is the next con you're available to attend?

August- To where ECCC has been rescheduled! I think I've got tons of time now, if I don't procrastinate it all away.
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Jayrodadon on Mar 16, 2020, 08:51 AM
I look forward to seeing what you rigged up!
 :)
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Tracyn Viktari on Mar 18, 2020, 10:35 AM
Current mood: crying over the fact that I'm going to have to repaint my chest pieces. 2/3 were chipping and have now had the paint stripped; they've got a nice coat of primer on now, something I forgot to do last time (oops). I'm not sure if I need to do the same to the last piece, cause it's not chipping for now... May as well just leave it be and keep an eye on it.

Also heat-gunning resin is a pain in the butt and I hate it >:U
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Jayrodadon on Mar 19, 2020, 06:03 AM
If I may, I recommend fixing it now before you get further along and having it then flake out on you.

Also, did you add a light sanding to help give the primer some grip?
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Tracyn Viktari on Mar 21, 2020, 05:22 PM
I thought I did, but even a repaint seems to be coming off (though that might just be the tape being clingy. I hope it is).

Also in other news I REALLY messed up cutting one of the new gauntlets to fit my tiny arms, so I've only got one now; the borked one is even too small for a half-bracer so that's fun. /s
With everything basically shut down I don't know what I'm going to do to get another, short of ordering one off the forums. :/

Edit: So. I had to strip the paint off of the stomach plate again. Fingers crossed the paint on the chest pieces sticks.

The stripping implement I was using? Broke the stomach piece.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/276769648060661760/691365527175823440/image0.jpg)

I'm going to have to get more sintra, aren't I? There's no way this is fixable. I've never even cut my own plate before, and nothing's likely to ship right now, and I'm probably far more upset over this than I should be.

I also ended up cutting one of my gauntlets way too small, so like- Screw me, there's no way I'm getting more material now. But I need to keep working on this or I'm gonna go NUTS.
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Ciryc Ca'tra on Mar 25, 2020, 01:06 PM
In the meantime while everything is shut down- this is a great opportunity to get some practice with sanding, painting, and coming up with fun new ideas! that way once everything is open again, you'll be ready to go!

(haha trying to be super optimistic about this lockdown, dont mind me!)
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Tracyn Viktari on Mar 26, 2020, 11:55 AM
I've put in an order for some more paint and sintra, so trying to figure out how to cut my own plates (especially gauntlets!) is going to be interesting. But at least it's coming?
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Jayrodadon on Mar 30, 2020, 05:05 AM
"But at least it's coming?"

Right! Just like Canadian legend Stompin Tom said;
"If ya don't get at it when ya get to it
Ya won't get to it to get at it again"

Good attitude!
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Tracyn Viktari on Mar 30, 2020, 04:20 PM
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/276769648060661760/694277982294114304/image0.jpg)

It's here, with plenty of extra just in case! I still have the broken stomach plate so I can probably use most of it as a guide there. And then it's crying at cutting the material for the visor.

I might hold off on the gauntlet for a little so I can do some research, though. I'd imagine they'd be the trickier part.

In other news, I've picked up some piping for a flare gun-inspired side arm that I'm not gonna immediately enter with my costume. I'm just gonna have to figure out how to cut it...
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Jayrodadon on Apr 05, 2020, 06:48 PM
Yup! Looks like you're well covered!

When you say piping  do you mean metal or PVC?
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Tracyn Viktari on Apr 08, 2020, 05:20 PM
Yup! Looks like you're well covered!

When you say piping  do you mean metal or PVC?

I'd say PVC, but I don't actually think it's that kind of plastic. It's the same kind I used for my flamethrower though, already black and the perfect shape for a flare gun barrel.

I've also cut out the pieces and gotten to work with bending! The stomach plate is shaped (though I may go back and bend the sides a little more), but as it turns out I don't have a proper form for bending the gauntlet pieces. I considered using our traffic cones, but they're not made of a rigid enough plastic... Anybody have a suggestion? For the resin I used an old spray paint can and some clamps of varying settings, but sintra doesn't bend the same way or take as long to set.
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Jayrodadon on Apr 09, 2020, 05:07 AM
Personally I just heated and hand formed.

Sorry that's not helpful though.
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Tracyn Viktari on Apr 10, 2020, 12:16 PM
It's a good thing I have so much extra then.  ;)

I'll give a simple by hand forming a shot, or maybe actually fitting it to my arm.
I'm hoping I only have to shape one side, because I have this old steel piece from an outdoor heater that's thin enough to be wearable-light and already curved; the issue is whether the steel will heat enough to bend and cutting the dang thing shorter.

Edit: Gave up on the steel piece because I don't have the tools, but there's now a vaguely workable looking gauntlet base!

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/276769648060661760/698671350159769630/image0.jpg)
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: GardenGeek on May 01, 2020, 02:46 AM
Looking good, Mercy!! I make sure that my first coat of primer is always a plastic primer, and like Jayrodadon said, make sure that you use sandpaper to give the paint some mechanical adhesion.  As for your bracers, I tend to use 3mm instead of the 6mm, as 3mm is much easier to bend into the complex curves needed. 
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Tracyn Viktari on May 06, 2020, 06:23 PM
I'm sadly stuck with my 6mm since I don't currently have the cash to get anything else, but it's working well so far; I've been using a box cutter to help me get some of the curves, it's working pretty well for now.

I've juuuust gotten a LED in for a flamethrower top for my gauntlet, but I'm not sure I want to deal with that until I get the stuff for actually clipping said gauntlet together. Should be here soon though!
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Ciryc Ca'tra on May 26, 2020, 11:51 PM


I've juuuust gotten a LED in for a flamethrower top for my gauntlet, but I'm not sure I want to deal with that until I get the stuff for actually clipping said gauntlet together. Should be here soon though!

oh, cant wait to see how that turns out!
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Firemaester on Jun 07, 2020, 06:21 PM
Looking forward to seeing the progress!
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Tracyn Viktari on Jun 19, 2020, 12:56 PM
I'll edit this with some pictures later (edit: pictures are here!), but progress has been reeeaaally slow lately; briefly lost interest and instead was writing some fiction in my spare time. That said, I've come back to it and done some more work:

1. I have two possible gauntlet-mounted weapon things, one a typical box-shape and one I heat curved instead. I'll probably be going with the box shape because to me it looks a bit more like Star Wars (and maybe use the curve as a holster?) but it was fun to try and do the curved one regardless. However I know to smooth over the visible lines and to make it look properly connected to the rest of the gauntlet I need something... Else. My brain says bondo but is that correct??

(https://i.imgur.com/5rCsazM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/E4t86JI.jpg)

2. I also need to actually put together the gauntlets; they're basically ready for hinges and such but I had issues with using the velcro last time, so one is going to have the usual hinge and some sort of magnetic attachment, while I intend the other to be just magnets. Still trying to figure out how to do the magnets but I'll have to use the rubber duck method at somebody irl.

3. The visor is giving me far more trouble than it should- Basically it's cut to fit, barely, but the cheeks of the helmet... Press too far out for this kind of visor? If you look at it sideways you can see the edges of the visor. I've tried sticking said visor in best I can, but despite how strong the velcro sticky is, it just.... Pops off the velcro. Of course, the velcro stays stuck together. >_< I might have to get out the heat gun and press the cheeks in myself to reduce that, though I worry it'll squish my nose. This is what I get for it being a helmet I put together with a friend!

(https://i.imgur.com/dIeXHU1.jpg)

4. I'm still sort of staring at my waist sash. It's been cut and ready for ages, I'm just leery of sitting down and trying to sew it without supervision from somebody who knows what they're doing. And then I have to set it on fire for weathering. That at least should be fun? (Don't worry, the setting on fire was tested with scraps of material first)
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Jayrodadon on Jun 20, 2020, 08:00 AM
Before anything else, good on you for taking a break, that is needed once and while to prevent burn out.  :like:

1
When making a 90 degree edge with Sintra I've always just used the corner of a table/door and such. But if I tried your method, I'd say you're right and a thin coat of bondo would help.

3
Yeah, a heat gun would work, (my helmet squishes my nose too  :D ), or maybe just get a new visor if it's in the budget?

4
Good on you for doing a test strip first!
Title: Re: WIP - Flamethrower Mando
Post by: Tracyn Viktari on Jun 26, 2020, 08:59 PM
Before anything else, good on you for taking a break, that is needed once and while to prevent burn out.  :like:

1
When making a 90 degree edge with Sintra I've always just used the corner of a table/door and such. But if I tried your method, I'd say you're right and a thin coat of bondo would help.

3
Yeah, a heat gun would work, (my helmet squishes my nose too  :D ), or maybe just get a new visor if it's in the budget?

4
Good on you for doing a test strip first!

That's a good idea! I've just been pressing it against the flat (well, not so flat now, the heat gun's warped the plastic a little) of the table and using my hands, but yours would probably work better. It's the 6mm sintra which I know isn't the best, but I wonder if the broken stomach plate that's made of the thinner stuff would be the right size for me to cut a better piece from it... Probably not but maybe?

I'll get to work on the helmet sooner or later (I'm at the point where I definitely have to use this visor, I spent more than I've wanted on the materials since I messed it up twice before). Though this plastic's always a little bit more difficult than the sintra.

I should not have found the fabric test burning so fun but I used matches instead of a lighter (wore my fire-resistant gloves) and it was glorious.