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Mandalorian Armor => Armor Construction => Topic started by: Tramp Graphics on Apr 20, 2021, 06:47 PM

Title: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Apr 20, 2021, 06:47 PM
Ok, Iím slowly getting the pieces together to upgrade my kit to MMC standards.

Here is the basic concept, so far, for my kit:

(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/b67a31be-db7b-4660-befc-0c4581e5667f/deay5xd-968f1a97-6179-4a27-af11-5160aa7fa68f.jpg/v1/fill/w_1238,h_645,q_70,strp/mando_costume_concept_b_by_tramp_graphics_deay5xd-pre.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3siaGVpZ2h0IjoiPD03MTMiLCJwYXRoIjoiXC9mXC9iNjdhMzFiZS1kYjdiLTQ2NjAtYmVmYy0wYzQ1ODFlNTY2N2ZcL2RlYXk1eGQtOTY4ZjFhOTctNjE3OS00YTI3LWFmMTEtNTE2MGFhN2ZhNjhmLmpwZyIsIndpZHRoIjoiPD0xMzY4In1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLm9wZXJhdGlvbnMiXX0.YNtYML5gV0gB7HPCEkPUD99Et9Si7rOHeON5c7b401k)
 So far, I have my helmet from STEINCustomDesigns, which I just stripped down for a total repaint (with primer this time), flight suit (black BDUs with the jacket collar modified with a flap and Velcro added to form a neck seal), Valken full finger Airsoft gloves (needs mods to hide logo molded into plate on back of hand) , tactical ammo/utility belt, and Boba Fett style bracers from DHPFX. My next piece of soft goods just came in: a pair of black Ridetech motorcycle boots:

(https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/ba058a8c-d4de-42b1-b738-b1616b97448f_1.107c3d5ca2793330f337d8936e67b555.jpeg?odnWidth=768&odnHeight=768&odnBg=ffffff)

The current plan is for these to be the only leather in my kit, as Iím going for a very ďtacticalĒ look for my kit, particularly in the soft goods. As such, my utility and gun belts will both be nylon web belts.

As it stands, this is my current kit:
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/b67a31be-db7b-4660-befc-0c4581e5667f/deaj1j9-902a5bb8-6c19-4f4e-b508-53ec26255d88.jpg/v1/fill/w_774,h_1032,q_70,strp/2020_halloween_beskar_gam_by_tramp_graphics_deaj1j9-pre.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3siaGVpZ2h0IjoiPD0yNTYwIiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvYjY3YTMxYmUtZGI3Yi00NjYwLWJlZmMtMGM0NTgxZTU2NjdmXC9kZWFqMWo5LTkwMmE1YmI4LTZjMTktNGY0ZS1iNTA4LTUzZWMyNjI1NWQ4OC5qcGciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9MTkyMCJ9XV0sImF1ZCI6WyJ1cm46c2VydmljZTppbWFnZS5vcGVyYXRpb25zIl19.vjDN5_vPy25JneWS3xNCXQKQnsSBEPhAzSmZ9jYlh7Y)

Iím going to replace the torso plates with ABS plates Iím going to order from DFPFX, along with his back plate, then mod them to fit and taste. The only part of his torso plate set I donít plan on using are the shoulder plates, as I want simple, shoulder bells like Sabine Wrenís, and my current kitís, not Fett style plates. If I can reshape the DHPFX ones, I will, otherwise, Iíll need help finding some.

These will then be assembled into a full cuirass bound together with nylon straps, rather than attaching directly to the vest. The collar plate will also be fused to the back plate to form a single piece that slips in over my head like my current kit: 

(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/b67a31be-db7b-4660-befc-0c4581e5667f/deaj2ce-b5b6ad28-02b7-4373-9989-1e3fd5ad8c13.jpg/v1/fill/w_1280,h_1707,q_75,strp/beskar_cuirass_part_1_by_tramp_graphics_deaj2ce-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3siaGVpZ2h0IjoiPD0xNzA3IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvYjY3YTMxYmUtZGI3Yi00NjYwLWJlZmMtMGM0NTgxZTU2NjdmXC9kZWFqMmNlLWI1YjZhZDI4LTAyYjctNDM3My05OTg5LTFlM2ZkNWFkOGMxMy5qcGciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9MTI4MCJ9XV0sImF1ZCI6WyJ1cm46c2VydmljZTppbWFnZS5vcGVyYXRpb25zIl19.yZbCxgvDyPI1wAABTvI4ShxAxADUkbf_Jci_L01E5Q0)

(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/b67a31be-db7b-4660-befc-0c4581e5667f/deaj2ic-66ba4c21-969c-4b2d-bc86-f2b765bf1ee2.jpg/v1/fill/w_774,h_1032,q_70,strp/beskar_cuirass_pt_2_by_tramp_graphics_deaj2ic-pre.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3siaGVpZ2h0IjoiPD0xNzA3IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvYjY3YTMxYmUtZGI3Yi00NjYwLWJlZmMtMGM0NTgxZTU2NjdmXC9kZWFqMmljLTY2YmE0YzIxLTk2OWMtNGIyZC1iYzg2LWYyYjc2NWJmMWVlMi5qcGciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9MTI4MCJ9XV0sImF1ZCI6WyJ1cm46c2VydmljZTppbWFnZS5vcGVyYXRpb25zIl19.UKyHIsFNcYG_hlKWdAO9GBSN3a4fYIj9J0TiA_UMfFk)

One thing not in the concept art that Iím likely going to add is a Kama in order to cover my back pockets and hip pockets.

These are images of the other parts I currently have:

(https://cdn3.volusion.com/pgnrb.yxsdo/v/vspfiles/photos/VLKNGLALPHAFLFING-BLK-2.jpg?v-cache=1560500963)

(https://i.etsystatic.com/24218020/r/il/9e3c8e/2418502226/il_794xN.2418502226_48g8.jpg)

(https://www.harrysarmysurplus.net/assets/images/rothco/4240.jpg)

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0106/5435/1460/products/9f190e42-14d8-4528-a148-3998d47a3a13_14575b2e-a0cd-49f2-893e-09a0e11c2adb_1024x1024.jpg?v=1593195155)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51OERPQBGbL._AC_UY445_.jpg)

(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5c8160dd77b90376f25cedc1/1556852730404-1TV41DDQ7XM4U6M2I3HP/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kALrBFsXjPwJkST4_n0jKfxZw-zPPgdn4jUwVcJE1ZvWQUxwkmyExglNqGp0IvTJZamWLI2zvYWH8K3-s_4yszcp2ryTI0HqTOaaUohrI8PIKS4CTOv5TpOgL2hfjKDrltSOPxl0xsXL1hhodpNYvJYKMshLAGzx4R3EDFOm1kBS/il_794xN.1004794500_1vru.jpg?format=1500w)

And these are my next planned purchases:

(https://i.etsystatic.com/8846989/r/il/bcb43f/1262995780/il_794xN.1262995780_7qxj.jpg)

(https://i.etsystatic.com/8846989/r/il/a115aa/2360856942/il_794xN.2360856942_c2s4.jpg)

(https://i.etsystatic.com/8846989/r/il/2e7845/953135492/il_794xN.953135492_t14o.jpg)

And this is the vest I want:

(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/b67a31be-db7b-4660-befc-0c4581e5667f/dei5eai-1ac62c52-bec2-49e2-85db-a74c54206ea9.jpg/v1/fill/w_1264,h_632,q_70,strp/vest_by_tramp_graphics_dei5eai-pre.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3sicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvYjY3YTMxYmUtZGI3Yi00NjYwLWJlZmMtMGM0NTgxZTU2NjdmXC9kZWk1ZWFpLTFhYzYyYzUyLWJlYzItNDllMi04NWRiLWE3NGM1NDIwNmVhOS5qcGciLCJoZWlnaHQiOiI8PTY0MCIsIndpZHRoIjoiPD0xMjgwIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLndhdGVybWFyayJdLCJ3bWsiOnsicGF0aCI6Ilwvd21cL2I2N2EzMWJlLWRiN2ItNDY2MC1iZWZjLTBjNDU4MWU1NjY3ZlwvdHJhbXAtZ3JhcGhpY3MtNC5wbmciLCJvcGFjaXR5Ijo5NSwicHJvcG9ydGlvbnMiOjAuNDUsImdyYXZpdHkiOiJjZW50ZXIifX0.4As8Q6jVq0PBKZqGmydo0IYtewzE6_uRwuT_EgW4y6g)

Anyone know who could make that at a good price? Iíve checked the vendors here and the few that make vests all make standard ďFettĒ style vests with back (or some side) closures, whereas this is a front closure design.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Odran Krayt on Apr 21, 2021, 03:24 AM
The big thing I noted was that your current plates seem a bit long and wide on you. But the new ones should help with that, just remember that the ab should end right about your navel.

On your vest, I'm not sure it's approvable to do a front closure, as it could be seen between the plates. Probably a good idea to ask the app team in the q&a section before going on with getting it made.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Apr 21, 2021, 10:19 AM
The big thing I noted was that your current plates seem a bit long and wide on you. But the new ones should help with that, just remember that the ab should end right about your navel.

On your vest, I'm not sure it's approvable to do a front closure, as it could be seen between the plates. Probably a good idea to ask the app team in the q&a section before going on with getting it made.

My current plates are deceiving. I have a long torso. My current plates do, in fact, end above my navel. In fact, my utility belt was at my navel.

It should also be noted that those plates were originally fitted to be worn over a heavy leather duster, and, in that picture, Iím wearing them over just a a set of BDUs with a sweatshirt and sweat pants under them for warmth.

As for vests with a front closure, Iíve seen a few that have been approved, so thatís not an issue, and, with how my plates will be attached together, the strapping between the collar, pectoral, and abdominal plates should hide it just fine.

My only other option for vests would be this, but itís about $130, and Iím not sure I really want to pay that much. It doesnít have the stand-up collar either.

(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-sfoxy4qm75/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/2018/18415/speed-and-strength-true-grit-armored-vest-black__75787.1585034919.jpg)

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/416kcIM5lWL._AC_SY355_.jpg)

All the other Tactical style vests Iíve looked at have way too many pouches built in or are too long.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Apr 22, 2021, 11:33 AM
Well, I just ordered my new chest and back plates from DPHFX. They should ship in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Odran Krayt on Apr 22, 2021, 12:42 PM
The big issue with the front closure is, going by your pic, it looks like you would have the zipper/ whatever you use to secure it visible, and the app team will immediately kick it back if there are exposed zippers. But if there is a velcroed flap over the zipper line, it would be more likely to pass. The team goes over the app pics with a fine toothed comb, so if there is a zipper at all visible (or exposed elastic, unpainted rivets, etc) they will see it.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Apr 22, 2021, 02:12 PM
The big issue with the front closure is, going by your pic, it looks like you would have the zipper/ whatever you use to secure it visible, and the app team will immediately kick it back if there are exposed zippers. But if there is a velcroed flap over the zipper line, it would be more likely to pass. The team goes over the app pics with a fine toothed comb, so if there is a zipper at all visible (or exposed elastic, unpainted rivets, etc) they will see it.

The zipper wonít be a problem, given how my plates will be assembled. The only part that might still show would be at the very bottom, and that could be covered by a buckle secured between some nylon strapping.

The main question is whether to go with the ďFuture CopĒ design from the 3D model and hope someone will make it for me at an affordable price, or go with the $130 tactical motorcycle vest, and which would be more affordable.

One of the biggest reasons for a front closing vest, aside from the ease of getting into and out of it is that I can wear it without the armor attached and still look ďsci fiĒ/ Star Wars.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Apr 26, 2021, 02:03 PM
After much consideration, I think Iím going to go with the ďTrue GritĒ vest for a couple of reasons, not the least of which, it comes with a removable holster that can be set up for either hand, and can fit almost any type of hand gun, so it should fit a Westar 34 or 35. Secondly, the price dropped to $117. :8):
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Apr 27, 2021, 08:32 PM
No new pics yet, trying to get them from my phone to my computer to take them into Photoshop to combine them. That being said, the weather was finally warm enough to prime my helmet for its repaint. I went with Krylon black primer and will let it cure a day or so befor applying the paint. Iím using Mission Models gloss black acrylic paint as a base and will follow that with Mission Models chrome. Once thatís dry, Iíll start on the blue clear coat in order to get that dyed metal look I want.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Apr 29, 2021, 01:39 AM
Ordered the True Grit vest this afternoon and itís already in transit from the store. I ordered it from Eagle Leather out of Tacoma, WA, and itís scheduled to arrive on Star Wars Day.  This does not mean Iíve given up on having the Future Cop vest made, but this way I can get my armor properly sized and shaped when it comes in. It also means that I donít have to make a holster.

Speaking of which, I am ordering a Westar 35 Deathwatch Live Action from Deckplate Designs, and have requested an invoice so I can pay him. Out of the three versions of the Westar 35, that ounce looked the best to me. It should fit the holster, if the latter is as versatile as advertised. Itís supposed to hold virtually any size or shape pistol up to a 44 magnum.

I canít wait.  :8):
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Apr 30, 2021, 01:33 AM
My vest is on its way and is supposed to arrive Tuesday, 4 MAY, Star Wars Day. :D I have also ordered my Westar 35 Deathwatch Live Action, and itís getting printed as we speak. I canít wait until it arrives.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on May 05, 2021, 03:01 AM
My vest arrived on time and fits great. I tried it on over my BDU shirt and with my utility belt as well, and even under my existing armor, and it works better than I expected. Obviously, it will require some alterations to hide the zipper and remove the tags (for if/when I choose to wear it without the cuirass), but overall, I think it will work.

The only issue I found is that the holster is not as ďreversibleĒ as the staff at Eagle Leather said it was. Yes, technically, you can wear it for left-handed use, but it leaves the strap loops on the side facing away from the thigh or waist, instead of right up against it where any straps would be able to slide right through and around.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on May 06, 2021, 11:56 AM
Hereís some pics of the new vest:

(https://i.imgur.com/YcBbV6n.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/GFXoORE.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/SVHMp6y.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/aQo4hvt.jpg)

I know there are mods that will need to be done to meet approval standards. Already planning that.

Here are those promised helmet pics:

(https://i.imgur.com/fXs2BKt.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/kHXnnDd.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1WGLKCO.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HQdXmRD.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/gghHouC.jpg)

Now, for some more good news. My torso armor just came in yesterday. I havenít really done any major test fitting, yet, with the plates taped together, but I did try the collar and back plates just holding them, and the collar may, or may not, be a little wide. Iím not sure. I need to get some proper pics taken with them put together later today, expect some new pics within the next few days.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Fenn Beviin on May 06, 2021, 03:25 PM
Good a lot of progress going!

Are you going to be able to attach plates to that vest with the built in padding without them floating off of your body?
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on May 06, 2021, 03:59 PM
Good a lot of progress going!

Are you going to be able to attach plates to that vest with the built in padding without them floating off of your body?

The armor isnít going to be mounted directly to the vest at all. It will all be worn over the vest.

As I did with my previous prototypes, the collar will be fused to the back plate (Iíll need to extend the shoulders of the back plate forward to do that) and all of the other plates will be attached to each other via nylon webbing to form a full cuirass that will slip on over my head and fit over the vest, secured at the sides with straps and buckles. Itís going to be completely separate from my vest. That way it will be easier to remove and I can wear the vest without the armor as well.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Odran Krayt on May 06, 2021, 06:29 PM
I think the point of the question was that the padding may lift the plates off your chest, resulting in "floating" plates, which, if it were to happen, would mean either ripping out the pads or tightening the chestplates so tightly it would get hard to breathe.

But as long as the plates are shaped with the padding in mind, it shouldn't be an issue, as the pads look fairly thin
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on May 06, 2021, 07:20 PM
I think the point of the question was that the padding may lift the plates off your chest, resulting in "floating" plates, which, if it were to happen, would mean either ripping out the pads or tightening the chestplates so tightly it would get hard to breathe.

But as long as the plates are shaped with the padding in mind, it shouldn't be an issue, as the pads look fairly thin

No, that wonít be an issue. The pads arenít that thick, only about 3/8Ē and my plates are vacuum formed ABS,  not Syntra.

Hereís a test fit of my armor. None of the plates have been reshaped yet, and some will need some, particularly the sides of the ab plate and fangs of the pectoral plates. The blue tape holding the plates together is layer out pretty much how I plan to lay out the final nylon straps that will secure them permanently together (minus the side straps).

(https://i.imgur.com/uBq1p3A.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/M49qMlb.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/RYHPSlg.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/5eoLao5.jpg)
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Fenn Beviin on May 06, 2021, 10:38 PM
Ooooh wow! Yeah, those plates really hide the padding. That's great.

Like you mentioned just need to heat up the tabs on the chest plates and the sides of the abs and should be good  :like:

Helps you went with Vac formed plates to the padding fits in the gap essentially
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on May 06, 2021, 10:50 PM
Ooooh wow! Yeah, those plates really hide the padding. That's great.

Like you mentioned just need to heat up the tabs on the chest plates and the sides of the abs and should be good  :like:

Helps you went with Vac formed plates to the padding fits in the gap essentially

Question:  Does the collar look too wide from shoulder to shoulder?
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Notre Thiomersal on May 07, 2021, 02:49 AM
Hey there, thanks for reaching out for critique! Youíve made some great progress with your build and itís all coming together nicely.
Notes:
1) Something to watch for are baggy sleeves.  They can sometimes appear baggier than they actually are when kitting up, if they arenít fully tucked in/under your gauntlets.
2) Backplate looks solid and not seeing any gaps/floating.

3) Front plates looking good and just need a little heat gun TLC to get them to hug closer to your body.

4) The zipper shouldnít be an issue as you mentioned, as long as itís completely covered in the end. I went the same flak vest route with my kit. I added a thin strip of matching/similar fabric to my flak vest to fully cover the front zipper.

5) Collar plate May need to be trimmed down to align flush with the chest plates.

6) When making the final pass at attaching all the plates to one another remember to keep the spaces uniform with about half inch between the plates.

7) if you wanna add that extra bit of detail, throw on an additional short sleeve over the long sleeve and under the vest. I used a hemmed Dickieís button down for this.

8) Lastly that buckets looking great and keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on May 08, 2021, 01:42 AM
Hey there, thanks for reaching out for critique! Youíve made some great progress with your build and itís all coming together nicely.
Notes:
1) Something to watch for are baggy sleeves.  They can sometimes appear baggier than they actually are when kitting up, if they arenít fully tucked in/under your gauntlets.
2) Backplate looks solid and not seeing any gaps/floating.

3) Front plates looking good and just need a little heat gun TLC to get them to hug closer to your body.

4) The zipper shouldnít be an issue as you mentioned, as long as itís completely covered in the end. I went the same flak vest route with my kit. I added a thin strip of matching/similar fabric to my flak vest to fully cover the front zipper.

5) Collar plate May need to be trimmed down to align flush with the chest plates.

6) When making the final pass at attaching all the plates to one another remember to keep the spaces uniform with about half inch between the plates.

7) if you wanna add that extra bit of detail, throw on an additional short sleeve over the long sleeve and under the vest. I used a hemmed Dickieís button down for this.

8) Lastly that buckets looking great and keep up the good work!

Letís hope that trimming the collar is not necessary, As I mentioned, this is vacuum formed ABS, and the edges for the plates all have a bead around them to give them more depth, as seen in this pic here:

(https://i.imgur.com/b3DR83k.jpg)

The only way to ďtrimĒ the collar without complete cutting off the bead would be to cut it in half and trim off fractions of an inch from each half and glue them back together.  An easier solution would probably be to simply realign the pectoral plates. Looking at the photo, the spacing between them is a little close compared to this photo:

(https://i.etsystatic.com/8846989/r/il/a115aa/2360856942/il_794xN.2360856942_c2s4.jpg)

As far as adding short sleeves over the long sleeves, not happening. I personally donít like that aesthetic, and it doesnít fit with my concept.

Now, on to better news. My blaster just arrived. I ordered a Westar 35 Death Watch Live Action from Deckplate Designs and it just arrived today. I love it. It needs some sanding and filing to clean it up, but itís sooooo pretty.

(https://i.imgur.com/J4Uee0E.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/buMNTPE.jpg)
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on May 10, 2021, 11:25 PM
Found the perfect left-handed drop holster for my Westar-35. It fits the blaster like a glove, very snuggly, and secures perfectly to my left thigh. Itís almost as if it were made for this blaster. I got it at a local Army Navy store and was found purely by chance. The salesman didnít even think he had anymore left-handed drop holsters. He just happened to pick it up off the wall at random.

Hereís some pics:

(https://i.imgur.com/Bzic9aV.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/C7iTzBH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/OXABHox.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/AdY4omM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/GkoMg8K.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/k8frHTH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/qM5fyDT.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZbDzqXY.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/nXRU5Fg.jpg)

I still have to make the rest of my gun belt, but now I actually can. I definitely donít want to make any significant mods to the holster if I donít have to. About my only minor concern is if repeated drawing of the blaster will cause any paint I apply to wear off.

Let me know what you guys think.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on May 15, 2021, 05:20 PM
Iíve got some more work done on my kit. I finished sanding my blaster, and reshaped my pectoral and ab plates. My original plan for the straps, namely running a single main strap down the center wonít work because of the bead around each plate. As such, Iím going back to the strap layout I used for my EVA prototype.

(https://i.imgur.com/loTBBVF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/b6fy5FE.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HHUvKQO.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7FcgHTi.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/cE9rqfb.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Q6CASid.jpg)

The lighting in some of the photos make my pants look a different color than the shirt, this is a trick of the light. They are both black cotton Ripstop. Any remaining ďfloatĒ in the pectoral tabs and the ab plates will be fixed by the straps once secured to the plates . And, before anyone asks, yes, that is an errant piece of crumpled tape stuck to my back plate.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Cattriss Wren on Jun 18, 2021, 03:46 PM
Su'cuy Tramp, not sure if you remember me but we were talking about your vest over at my armor wip.So I started looking and found yours. Love the westars they are similar to the ones I am going to using. The helmets great :like: keep up the good work!! ;D
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Jun 18, 2021, 04:22 PM
Thanks. I only have one Westar though. I need to take some more recent WIP pics with the new pieces I have now. I just got my Kama and knees in, and made some epaulettes to attach my collar and back plates, though I havenít decided on how Iím going to attach them yet.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Cattriss Wren on Jun 18, 2021, 05:08 PM
Sweet :D definitely are excited to see them :sabine:
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Jun 18, 2021, 07:30 PM
OK 👌 I took some WIP pics of my soft goods, blaster, knees and epaulettes. The epaulettes are not attached, just held in place by my hands in the photos. Theyíre made from the wide part of a 4Ē ABS pipe attachment.

As for the knee plates, Iím planning on potentially epoxying them to the industrial knee pads I wore for Halloween, if allowable.

(https://i.imgur.com/rmImpx3.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/gsVMGTy.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/awAESx4.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/zMVZMm8.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/iySbnFQ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/i0JijUV.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/13iHil0.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/quSVJ8E.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/G1ayPcF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Bai0E8b.jpg)

Let me know what you think so far, comments and critiques welcome.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Cattriss Wren on Jun 20, 2021, 07:09 AM
Wow, it is looking very nice!! Knee armor and kama look great!! :like: the those westars!!  Did you 3d print them your self or buy them?
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Jun 20, 2021, 09:22 AM
Wow, it is looking very nice!! Knee armor and kama look great!! :like: the those westars!!  Did you 3d print them your self or buy them?

Nope. The Westar is from Deckplate Designs, over in the Continuous Sales forum: http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=196855.0. Itís his Live Action Death Watch design.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Cattriss Wren on Jun 20, 2021, 01:59 PM
Cool !  ;)
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Jun 25, 2021, 11:52 AM
Ok, I have a conundrum. I recently ordered a new pair of gloves (mineóa pair of Valken Alphasóare beginning to wear out in the palm from wearing them all winter and spring riding to and from work). I had ordered a pair of Valken V-Tac gloves, but was sent another pair of Alphas instead. I turns out the V-Tacs were discontinued and replaced by the Alphas. While I love the overall look of the Alphas, there is one glaring issue with themó the molded in ďvalkenĒ embossed on the back of each hand just inside the outer most metacarpal ridge:

(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-tvqia/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/923/12223/AlphaGlove-Full-Back-Black__02181.1624568664.jpg?c=2)

How would you all suggest removing that without significantly altering the look of the gloves, and without making them look ďbattle damagedĒ, since Iím going for a ďcleanĒ kit.

Right now, my options are:
 
Help!
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Fenn Beviin on Jun 25, 2021, 12:33 PM
I think your best bet would be the warbla idea or to just permanently attach some sintra to that strap as an added armor piece.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Jun 25, 2021, 12:42 PM
I think your best bet would be the warbla idea or to just permanently attach some sintra to that strap as an added armor piece.
itís not the strap. The strap is well hidden by my bracers. Itís the armor plate on the back of the hand itself thatís the issue. Look just to the inside of the pinky ridge of the hand plate. Thereís an embossed Valken logo molded directly into the plastic on both gloves that is raised about 1/16Ē. Thatís the one Iím having trouble with because I donít want to ruin the gloves or leave a ďscarĒ.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Rhue_Shofytt on Jun 25, 2021, 04:04 PM
You can still use worbla or sintra to make a small plate that fits over the logo, regardless of where it's located on the glove...
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Vercopaanir on Jun 26, 2021, 05:37 PM
Thereís an embossed Valken logo molded directly into the plastic on both gloves that is raised about 1/16Ē. Thatís the one Iím having trouble with because I donít want to ruin the gloves or leave a ďscarĒ.

I think your worbla or Sintra strips would be the best plan.  Sanding will leave a scar.  A plate would completely change the look and I like them as is.  It would also be very hard to hide the letters with greeblies, not impossible just hard. 

But three narrow strips between the ridges would, I think, add to the look without changing the overall feel of them.  I would angle the tops of the two outer ones toward the middle one and make the middle one a point.  Just an Idea 
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Jul 03, 2021, 01:02 AM
After some trial and error, I came up with some prop thermal charges, which will be attached to my belt. I cast them out of UV resin, each made of two pieces, and with a magnet to attach them to my belt.

(https://i.imgur.com/TYrWs2G.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/X79YQPc.jpg)
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Jul 17, 2021, 11:48 AM
Completed the mods to my gloves (I ended up taking the Dremmel to them), and finished painting my thermal charges. I also made a slight modification to my belts, namely to the buckles to spruce them up a bit.

(https://i.imgur.com/QfJHEXS.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/nhBviDa.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/UfSgGZn.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/kay0UkG.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/SVbjRbf.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ovnWLs9.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/2L3Z09R.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/E08loPO.jpg)

Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Aster Veris on Jul 17, 2021, 07:29 PM
Looks great! Glad the gloves worked out
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Kurshi BeJahaal on Jul 19, 2021, 12:25 AM
I thought I was following this build already.

Crap. I guess I wasn't!

It looks like the glove solution worked well Tramp! From the pictures it's hard to see any major damage. It looks like it turned out pretty clean!
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Jul 19, 2021, 12:57 AM
I thought I was following this build already.

Crap. I guess I wasn't!

It looks like the glove solution worked well Tramp! From the pictures it's hard to see any major damage. It looks like it turned out pretty clean!

Thankfully, nope, no major damage; nothing that doesnít look like the results of metalworking.  Any critique of the rest of the build WIP so far?
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Jul 22, 2021, 01:56 AM
I got some more work done on my cuirass. After doing some reshaping of the shoulders of my collar plate, back plate, and epaulettes, I fused the epaulettes first to the shoulder of the back plate with some Plastruct plastic welder (a liquid plastic welder model glue), then fused the collar plate.

(https://i.imgur.com/ViDh8aT.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Fvshw5S.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1MZrQLO.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/SkzhqQD.jpg)
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Firefly42 on Jul 22, 2021, 10:55 AM
Your looking good so far. Couple big things that stick out that the app teams may gig you for is you wanna tailor your arms and legs a tad. But still wanna move. And any parachute buckle would need to be painted to look metal. I would also cover the logo on the wrist of your glove even if it is hidden. You are doing a great job!
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Kurshi BeJahaal on Jul 28, 2021, 01:02 AM
Finally got a chance to look through this all again. You had asked about the collar being too wide. Man, I donít think it looks that bad. I think itís a bit wider than I would cut it for myself, but I think once everything is spaced, it should be just fine. The downfall of ABS is that it's a little more difficult to trim and shape somstimes. I've been eyeing his stuff on Etsy but haven't pulled the trigger. I'm 6'2" and 195 with a 44" chest. I didn't know if I should do large or small if I did order some.

That blaster looks really nice. You got a nice sidearm there!

You've added some plates to fill the gap between the chest and collar. I did the same thing. I don't know if they have a true, technical name, so I just call them gap plates.  :laugh: Not real original or anything, is it? Here's the best pictures I have of mine but it's with my old helmet and shortly after approval.

(https://i.imgur.com/tSIFRgK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6wyo1Fz.jpg)

You can see I attached my cape to the left one. (Are you going with a cape on your build?) But mine attaches with velcro since I take my backplate off.

I like the addition of the greeblies to the holster. The best way to ensure modern tactical gear gets approved is to do a plate over it (easier on pouches obviously) or greeblies. Nice find there!

I don't see many things to critique right offhand that hasn't been mentioned aside from removing seat pockets unless you're doing a full cape or a kama.

Looking forward to more updates!
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Jul 28, 2021, 01:36 AM
Finally got a chance to look through this all again. You had asked about the collar being too wide. Man, I donít think it looks that bad. I think itís a bit wider than I would cut it for myself, but I think once everything is spaced, it should be just fine. The downfall of ABS is that it's a little more difficult to trim and shape somstimes. I've been eyeing his stuff on Etsy but haven't pulled the trigger. I'm 6'2" and 195 with a 44" chest. I didn't know if I should do large or small if I did order some.

That blaster looks really nice. You got a nice sidearm there!

You've added some plates to fill the gap between the chest and collar. I did the same thing. I don't know if they have a true, technical name, so I just call them gap plates.  :laugh: Not real original or anything, is it? Here's the best pictures I have of mine but it's with my old helmet and shortly after approval.

(https://i.imgur.com/tSIFRgK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6wyo1Fz.jpg)

You can see I attached my cape to the left one. (Are you going with a cape on your build?) But mine attaches with velcro since I take my backplate off.

I like the addition of the greeblies to the holster. The best way to ensure modern tactical gear gets approved is to do a plate over it (easier on pouches obviously) or greeblies. Nice find there!

I don't see many things to critique right offhand that hasn't been mentioned aside from removing seat pockets unless you're doing a full cape or a kama.

Looking forward to more updates!

The plates connecting the back and collar are properly called epaulettes, and, no, as of this time, I donít plan on a cape or cloak. I do own a black wool square cloak from my time in the SCA. I use it with my Jedi kit, pleated up into a surcoat.

 As for my back pocket cover flaps (the pockets themselves are fully internal), theyíre staying right where they are. I am indeed wearing a Kama as part of my kit. I didnít find the greeblies, I cast them out of 5-minute epoxy using Evil Ted molds I bought at Michealís craft store. They attach via Velcro. I used the same molds to cast my thermal charges and the greeblies on my belt buckles, this time out of UV resin. I have an order of ABS sheets (a pack of 2 12Ēx24Ēx 1/16Ē black), they just shipped and should arrive around 2 Aug. Iím going to use them to make some added plates to my back in order to match my concept art, as well as to make my codpiece (I donít want a Boba Fett style codpiece). Until the plastic comes in, Iím at an Iím pass. My vest is at the tailorís hopefully getting front zipper cover flaps made and attached.

My plates are the medium plates. Iím long torsoed 5í6Ē and about 175-190 lbs, with a 42Ē chest.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Aug 07, 2021, 02:44 AM
My ABS finally came in and I got to work on my codpiece. Hand shaping hot ABS without a vacuum former is not easy but it turned out better than I expected.

(https://i.imgur.com/Yo94YiR.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/eW2mpQY.jpg)
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Fenn Beviin on Aug 09, 2021, 08:14 AM
Most impressive shaping that without a vac form.

My two cents: how does that currently look when worn - or at least on a mock up? It looks a little long for a traditional cod but you may be wearing it higher up on your abdomen that how the Fett's do.

Second: (this may already be planned) I believe you are going to need sand/bondo the bottom portion of that to smooth it out and hide the texture the plastic now has from forming it.

Chugging along though! Keep at it  :like:
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Aug 09, 2021, 11:23 AM
Most impressive shaping that without a vac form.

My two cents: how does that currently look when worn - or at least on a mock up? It looks a little long for a traditional cod but you may be wearing it higher up on your abdomen that how the Fett's do.

Second: (this may already be planned) I believe you are going to need sand/bondo the bottom portion of that to smooth it out and hide the texture the plastic now has from forming it.

Chugging along though! Keep at it  :like:

Sanding, yes. Bondo, no.  Most smoothing I do with ABS typically uses brushing plastic welder over the surface to smooth it out after sanding. After that, if necessary, Iíll apply some acrylic floor polish to polish it and fill in any small defects.

As for the length, I have a long torso. When I stand upright, the top of the codpiece rests three fingers below by navel.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Aug 20, 2021, 09:06 PM
Got the mod to my back plate done. It wasnít easy, but it looks pretty sweet, if I do say so myself.

(https://i.imgur.com/m1pQ51I.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/cWy0DAW.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/EK6VnAD.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/GU5U0t2.jpg)

I would say the hardest part was blending in the weld at the top to blend the ABS strip into the rest of the back plate. Itís not perfect, but thereís only so much you can do with a Dremmel and some jewelerís files.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Aug 25, 2021, 03:58 PM
Hereís the first full mock-up of my entire kit (sans helmet). Obviously, the plates are just taped together, but this should give you all an idea of where I want to go. I had to make a new codpiece. The first one broke. It was also too narrow at the ďfunctionalĒ end to provide the proper ďcoverageĒ, if you know what I mean. The new one fits much better and is cleaner too, only one small burn, and that cleaned up pretty well.

(https://i.imgur.com/HnAeOUR.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/FW7npMx.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/2puJmb2.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/iax2jPW.jpg)
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Sep 04, 2021, 03:51 AM
Started on painting my armor with the primer coat. So far so good. Iím using an Acrylic polyurethane surface primer for everything but the helmet. Itís applied using an airbrush, so no propellant fumes. Still needs to cure, which takes 12 hours, but Iím going to let it do so until my next day off since I really donít have time on days I work.

(https://i.imgur.com/kQbjl0h.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/RuIsSOM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/I2R3SxQ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/pUFddtS.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/L8x638Y.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0NmtLrr.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/02EsWXi.jpg)

I also finished fabrication of my Kal Dagger.

(https://i.imgur.com/Pq4T5iU.jpg)
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Sep 08, 2021, 08:01 PM
More work done on the kit. I have the gloss base coat and chrome silver applied to all of the armor pieces, as well as my rocket and Kal Dagger. Iíve also applied the clear blue to the torso and back plates, as well as a gloss coat on top of that, since the particular blue I used was a flat clear, and I used it all up. I have some Tamiya Color clear blue for the rest of the armor. Itís gonna need some thinning to use in my airbrush however.

(https://i.imgur.com/iIj99Yk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/db4VqL2.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/59I1vzn.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/FrNRgJE.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/4swIQTT.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/5YILInm.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/NVFrBT3.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/hXVzsIW.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Qu3iXFN.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/GCUXXUD.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/iWZvbXk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/EVmoV09.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7c9h6It.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/hGuQyPl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/B3EUsQa.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/fVWypNH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/E6iJ8RH.jpg)

Let me know what you think.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Aster Veris on Sep 09, 2021, 01:27 AM
Wow I love that blue color! Keep up the great work  :like:
Title: Re: Tramp’s Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Cattriss Wren on Sep 09, 2021, 08:28 AM
I agree with Aster, I love the blue! Are you doing black and blue or just blue? Either way it's very cool.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Sep 09, 2021, 11:18 AM
I agree with Aster, I love the blue! Are you doing black and blue or just blue? Either way it's very cool.

Actually, the armor itself will be two-tone blue with gold details, all metallic. Black is just for the soft goods.

I finished painting the rest of the armor (except the helmet) with the base clear blue. I ran out of Tamiya Color clear blue halfway through the second coat on the left knee. Four 1/3oz jars just on the codpiece, shoulders, knees, and bracers. I need to get more to add a second coat over the other pieces, as well as for the helmet.

(https://i.imgur.com/EzkoNsM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/glZ9Q0X.jpg)
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Cattriss Wren on Sep 09, 2021, 11:32 AM
Actually, the armor itself will be two-tone blue with gold details, all metallic. Black is just for the soft goods.


Great choice of colors :like:
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Sep 29, 2021, 09:21 AM
Got the paint job done on the torso plates, shoulders, codpiece, knees, and bracers. I have to repaint the back plate because of some overspray when adding the gold stripes down the right side.  :-[ Iím getting some more Tamiya Color clear blue todayótwo cases. That should finish the helmet, and back plate.

Any what, take a look and tell me what you think.

(https://i.imgur.com/rDMtVSW.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/IQbHEJV.jpg[img]

[img width=487 height=650]https://i.imgur.com/9EEGos4.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7EdHA5o.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9EEGos4.jpg)
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Kurshi BeJahaal on Sep 30, 2021, 08:08 PM
I'm really liking the color choice there, man! Very nice!
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Oct 01, 2021, 03:11 AM
I'm really liking the color choice there, man! Very nice!

Thanks. I finally have the back plate/collar plate assembly repainted.

(https://i.imgur.com/5MB1OMj.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/WQlBpZM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/5UxzeLq.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/2IcEHqC.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ErsCYuX.jpg)
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: AdmiraLott7 on Oct 01, 2021, 01:25 PM
Nice color choice!  Really love the gold strip as well. 
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Oct 02, 2021, 12:27 AM
Aaaaaaaand the helmet is painted!

(https://i.imgur.com/UgXexHk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3J90W7Q.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/gIhzHco.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3q8at9n.jpg)

Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Second Son on Oct 02, 2021, 09:35 AM
Those blues are stunning.
Nice work vod.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Aster Veris on Oct 03, 2021, 02:41 PM
Wow! Love love LOVE the colors!
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Ashad Shrynn on Oct 04, 2021, 01:03 PM
Love the color scheme and paintjob, your armor is going to look amazing  :like:
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Oct 07, 2021, 03:56 AM
I have all of the torso plates assembled into my cuirass, except for the pauldrons. I still have to add the side straps and buckles to secure the cuirass at each side, but overall, it worked. Getting the spacing right was definitely tricky, but not impossible. Take a look and let me know what you all think.

(https://i.imgur.com/rlRBTTc.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/enI3O9C.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/eHt9Iij.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/AkXFyaJ.jpg)

The first strap attached was the one connecting the steel heart to the pectoral plates. This, obviously, was the most important. The strap was first epoxied to the steel heart, then, after getting the pectoral spacing set and the steel heart centered, I epoxied each end of the strap to the back of each pectoral plate. Then I positioned the ab plate, temporarily secured with tape, and epoxied straps between the ab plate and pectoral plates. Once that cured, I secured the whole assembly to the collar plate with four straps starting with the outermost straps before adding the two central straps.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Aster Veris on Oct 08, 2021, 01:07 AM
Spacing looks pretty good!
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: NaTiki on Oct 09, 2021, 08:06 PM
Looking good so far. Nice job on the chest/back. Seems like a good way to keep spacing consistent. 

I'm taking notes from your kit build. Keep it up vod!
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Oct 10, 2021, 04:14 AM
Helmetís ready to go. I have my visor and padding in place, and itís nice and comfy.

(https://i.imgur.com/TNHMiVO.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/w7k8ndE.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/YCx45v0.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/IG0mpDC.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/i1NGqDO.jpg)
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Aster Veris on Oct 10, 2021, 09:21 PM
Looks great! Though you may have to move the visor down a little so it touches the bottom
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Oct 10, 2021, 09:39 PM
It is at the bottom. Specifically, it is at the bottom of the inside of the helmet, which is, ultimately, where it needs to be. If it were any lower, I would have the bottom of the visor hanging loose. You can see this in the shot of the interior, and more clearly in the 3/4 view shots. If you look closely, the bottom of the helmet has a recessed bevel inwards. So the interior walls are shorter than the exterior. So the visor ends right at the bottom edge of the interior wall.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Cattriss Wren on Oct 10, 2021, 09:57 PM
Su'cuy, everything is looking great! :like: helmet definitely looks comfy.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Oct 11, 2021, 12:30 AM
Su'cuy, everything is looking great! :like: helmet definitely looks comfy.

Oooooohhhh, it most definitely is.  :8):
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Matchstick1021 on Oct 11, 2021, 12:55 PM
I will second the advice about the visor.

The CRLs state:
Quote
If the full length of the vertical part of the visor is not hidden, it must reach the bottom of the helmet

From the straight on pictures it looks as if the visor isnít reaching the bottom of the helmet. Ultimately the app team will only see straight on pictures on the helmet when you apply and Iíd hate to see you get kicked back because of that.

On a separate note, sweet paint job. I really like that metallic blue.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Oct 11, 2021, 02:33 PM
I will second the advice about the visor.

The CRLs state:
From the straight on pictures it looks as if the visor isnít reaching the bottom of the helmet. Ultimately the app team will only see straight on pictures on the helmet when you apply and Iíd hate to see you get kicked back because of that.

On a separate note, sweet paint job. I really like that metallic blue.

Well, as I said previously, it does reach the bottom of the helmet, it may not look it from that particular shot, but it does. Any further extension and it would hang down loose below the helmet.

For the record, this is the exact same helmet and visor I wore in this picture:

(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/b67a31be-db7b-4660-befc-0c4581e5667f/deaj1j9-902a5bb8-6c19-4f4e-b508-53ec26255d88.jpg/v1/fill/w_1920,h_2560,q_75,strp/2020_halloween_beskar_gam_by_tramp_graphics_deaj1j9-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9MjU2MCIsInBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2I2N2EzMWJlLWRiN2ItNDY2MC1iZWZjLTBjNDU4MWU1NjY3ZlwvZGVhajFqOS05MDJhNWJiOC02YzE5LTRmNGUtYjUwOC01M2VjMjYyNTVkODguanBnIiwid2lkdGgiOiI8PTE5MjAifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6aW1hZ2Uub3BlcmF0aW9ucyJdfQ.Ak9pc4a-4Fw0-cLvyPcC2OZjgAK6PRVYrt5-5cy0q8E)

Further, if you read the CRLs more, it also says:

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If a helmet has angled mandibles, such as ďThe MandalorianĒ has, the visor only has to reach the angled part of the mandibles. Angled mandibles should not extend more than ľĒ or 6mm past the visor.

As I mentioned, my helmet does have an angle to the mandibles, in fact the the entire circumference of the bottom of the helmet. It is an inward angle. That is what the visor has to reach per CRLs. The point of the rule is to make sure that not only is their no unnecessary opening at the base, but also none of the visor hanging below the bottom edges of the mandibles. This is what would happen if I lowered my visor anymore.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Matchstick1021 on Oct 11, 2021, 10:42 PM
Your helmet does not have angled mandibles like that of Din in The Mandalorian. His mandibles angle out. Yours do not.

(https://i.imgur.com/7WBVj76.jpg)

As I said before the app team will see this gap and unfortunately it will be kicked back. If you have other pictures that show the visor reaching the bottom of the mandibles I would make sure you add those to your wip. That way the app team can refer to them when the question comes up.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Aster Veris on Oct 12, 2021, 01:12 AM
As I said before the app team will see this gap and unfortunately it will be kicked back. If you have other pictures that show the visor reaching the bottom of the mandibles I would make sure you add those to your wip. That way the app team can refer to them when the question comes up.

Yes what Matchstick says is what I was trying to say a few comments ago. It absolutely looks great, but due to the CRLs you're unfortunately going to have some problems.
It seems like there are some different layers in your helmet, so maybe if you could provide some more photos of the situation inside the helmet, we can all put our collective helmets together and figure something out!
According to the CRLs, the visor has to reach the bottom of the mandibles (your thin light blue area). So it needs the appearance, as looked as from someone else, to go all the way down until the bottom. You say the inside edge is smaller, but I think ultimately you would have to put the visor past that edge so from the outside it looks like it goes all the way.

To answer the angled mandibles debate, while yours may be angled inside, the CRLs are specifically talking about Din Djarin's helmet from the mandalorian.
to quote:
If the full length of the vertical part of the visor is not hidden, it must reach the bottom of the helmet. If equipment, such as a breathing apparatus or other items are installed which hide the bottom of the visor, then the visor is not required to reach the bottom of the helmet.
If a helmet has angled mandibles, such as ďThe MandalorianĒ has, the visor only has to reach the angled part of the mandibles. Angled mandibles should not extend more than ľĒ or 6mm past the visor.
(https://i.imgur.com/fFsRy1r.jpg)
As you can see, his mandibles have an angle, going out. And his visor does not reach the bottom due to that angle. The CRLs says that's fine, as long as the visor meets the top of the angle and the space between the start of the angle and the bottom of the mandibles isn't larger than ľĒ or 6mm.
Hope that makes sense and doesn't feel too critical, just want to make sure something really small and generally insignificant doesn't get in the way of your approval.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Oct 12, 2021, 01:23 AM
Your helmet does not have angled mandibles like that of Din in The Mandalorian. His mandibles angle out. Yours do not.

(https://i.imgur.com/7WBVj76.jpg)

As I said before the app team will see this gap and unfortunately it will be kicked back. If you have other pictures that show the visor reaching the bottom of the mandibles I would make sure you add those to your wip. That way the app team can refer to them when the question comes up.

Not that kind of angle. The mandibles have an inward beveled edge. And yes, I do have additional pics which will be submitted with the final app pics:

(https://i.imgur.com/UYvSsF3.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/eApgxvf.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/dfRihGZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/8bVq8wS.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/h3S421G.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ORahZ22.jpg/img]

[img] https://i.imgur.com/aMu8xym.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/mut4WHi.jpg)

As you can see, the visor actually extends about two millimeters or so past the bottom edge of the interior wall of the mandibles at the corners, and is flush with them at the center. You can also see the beveled the bottom of the mandibles. If the visor extended any lower, the bottom edge of the visor would hang freely with nothing anchoring it. And that, in turn would comprise the structural integrity of the bottom of the visor. This can be clearly seen in the following piís with the green tape added to the end of the visor.

(https://i.imgur.com/PAUhUhB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/XQan3QS.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/VElBLUE.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/C9sEH2d.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/OxbmPZI.jpg)

As you can clearly see, if the bottom edge of the visor were to look flush with the outer edge of the mandibles, when looking at the helmet from the outside, it would actually extend nearly 1/4Ē past the bottom of the actual mandibles. In other words, it would not actually be flush with the bottom of the mandibles, but would be longer than them. So, while the visor may appear shorter than itís supposed to, it actually isnít shorter. Itís exactly where it is supposed to be, if not a little long.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Aster Veris on Oct 12, 2021, 02:10 AM
Extra pictures really help, I totally get the situation now! Unfortunately I'm unsure the best course of action here... so I'll leave it to a Ruus'alor to make a judgment. Your thought process makes a lot of sense and bringing the visor down wouldn't make sense the way your helmet is made, but it still may be an issue with the look of the visor, and I'm not sure how to fix it.
In all honesty? Move on, focus on bigger aspects of your kit, and it will get figured out. Don't stress it! It's such a tiny piece.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Oct 12, 2021, 03:01 AM
Extra pictures really help, I totally get the situation now! Unfortunately I'm unsure the best course of action here... so I'll leave it to a Ruus'alor to make a judgment. Your thought process makes a lot of sense and bringing the visor down wouldn't make sense the way your helmet is made, but it still may be an issue with the look of the visor, and I'm not sure how to fix it.
In all honesty? Move on, focus on bigger aspects of your kit, and it will get figured out. Don't stress it! It's such a tiny piece.

Iím not. I have bigger fish to fry, such as completing assembling my cuirass and adding the thong and belt keepers (once I find where I put them  :-[ ) to my codpiece, and adding the Velcro closures and some padding to my bracers. I need to get everything assembled to a wearable state by Halloween.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Kurshi BeJahaal on Oct 12, 2021, 07:53 AM
That's definitely a complicated situation. I was in the same boat as Matchstick and Aster and thought that it didn't reach the bottom. The first round of pictures make it look like it has stopped about 1/4" away from the bottom. If you applied without the additional shots, it would definitely get noted that the visor would  need fixed.

Having those extra shots do help and the App Team always looks at a WIP first for anything like this. Seeing how the helmet mandibles bevel to leave the inside shorter than the outside shows your thought process now. Today, I'll take this topic to our other Ruus'alore in the region and discuss it. We've got an App Team member on hand to provide additional feedback too.

All that aside, this is shaping up to be a gorgeous looking kit. I love the color choices you've made. The only thing that I can think of on your initial test fit is just a few tweaks.

(https://i.imgur.com/WM1ZzYs.jpg)
Where I have the red circle, there's visible zipper teeth that would need covered (I'm thinking more strapping could keep it simple?) before your App.

Where I have the white circle, the gap is just a smidgen off in comparison to the spacing where the red is. Moving the top of the plate out just a little (the white arrow) would get them evened out. But I know it's just a test fit.  :)

It's good to see progress and moving along smoothly. Great work so far.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Oct 12, 2021, 11:17 AM
That's definitely a complicated situation. I was in the same boat as Matchstick and Aster and thought that it didn't reach the bottom. The first round of pictures make it look like it has stopped about 1/4" away from the bottom. If you applied without the additional shots, it would definitely get noted that the visor would  need fixed.

Having those extra shots do help and the App Team always looks at a WIP first for anything like this. Seeing how the helmet mandibles bevel to leave the inside shorter than the outside shows your thought process now. Today, I'll take this topic to our other Ruus'alore in the region and discuss it. We've got an App Team member on hand to provide additional feedback too.

All that aside, this is shaping up to be a gorgeous looking kit. I love the color choices you've made. The only thing that I can think of on your initial test fit is just a few tweaks.

(https://i.imgur.com/WM1ZzYs.jpg)
Where I have the red circle, there's visible zipper teeth that would need covered (I'm thinking more strapping could keep it simple?) before your App.

Where I have the white circle, the gap is just a smidgen off in comparison to the spacing where the red is. Moving the top of the plate out just a little (the white arrow) would get them evened out. But I know it's just a test fit.  :)

It's good to see progress and moving along smoothly. Great work so far.

Iíve already checked with the App team about the zipper, and they said specifically, that the only part of the zipper that needs to be covered is the pull tab: http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=204046.0 (http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=204046.0). To quote Venix Arden:

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Hey there Tramp! Thank you for the question! I'm actually the Ruus'sol for the NE USA Region and I've brought this question up to Draceline and the other Ruusalore of the region. The CRL's for Modern Era is that the zipper pull tab must be covered in some fashion and that the rest of the zipper needs to be colormatched to your vest. All of which it seems like you have done. My advice to you would be to include as many pictures possible of your WIP thread so when you go through the App process, the App Team can review those photos to gain the best understanding possible of your build. It really is an invaluable skill to utilize. You'll also want to address your flightsuit bagginess and your holster design is slightly too "earthy" as it sits now. If you have questions, please reach out to Draceline and she will help you to the best of her ability. If there is anything I can do for you as a Ruus'sol, feel free to PM me and I'll be happy to help. THank you again and happy building! OYA!
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Kurshi BeJahaal on Oct 12, 2021, 11:39 AM
Ah yes! Thank you. I forgot about it being okay if it matched the material. That's my mistake!
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Oct 12, 2021, 12:10 PM
Ah yes! Thank you. I forgot about it being okay if it matched the material. That's my mistake!
.

Not a problem. I had gotten mixed signals from various Ruusíalors early on, and was going to have a tailor try to add a cover flap to my vest (though we couldnít match the fabric), so I put in a question to the Q&A about it. I was quite relieved that I didnít need to cover the whole zipper, not only for the reason above, but It saved me some money, and the vest looks better as is, both with the armor on, and with it off. A zipper cover would likely have ruined the look of the vest.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Kurshi BeJahaal on Oct 12, 2021, 12:25 PM
I did hear back about the confusing visor dilemma. Though it does touch the bottom of the visor on the inside, the bevel tapers toward the outside and gives the appearance of it not reaching the bottom on the outside.

Since it's still sitting higher on the inside and the bottom of the outside is lower, it doesn't truly satisfy the CRL. The best suggestions that I have would be to add some material to the inside to bring it level with the front/outside. Some type of epoxy sculpt, quiksteel or jbweld putty would be easy and sandable. The alternative would be to file down the front "point", but I don't want to see that gorgeous paint job get boogered up.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Venix Arden on Oct 12, 2021, 12:51 PM
Hey there Mr. Tramp!

I remember you!

It looks like you've done a lot since the last time we talked and I hope all is well!

Let's get into your visor issue really quick. I'm on my work computer so I cant copy/paste pictures so I'll be using written references. I hope that it translates okay for you.

**In your initial picture of your helmet (on the previous page) It very much looks like your visor does not reach the bottom of the mandibles. There are a few easy ways to correct this optical illusion *AND* help keep the integrity (both physical and visual) of your helmet. One way, which is what I did for my current helmet, is to install a small spacer between the mandibles at the bottom edge of your helmet. You can do this easy with a piece of scrap Sintra, ABS, or any approved building material. I'd say about 3/4" max width would work. This hides the bottom of the visor and provides a good amount of stability to the helmet. And since your visor material is so thin, it would still be removable for replacement (if need be).**

**I feel like you've come to the point in your build where a WIP thread in your local Clan page is warranted. Pretty soon you're going to want to go through pre-app and its a great tool for you to utilize. You have a good group of Ruusalore in the NE region who will be eager to help you fine-tune your armor and get those OM stripes! If you like, instead of starting a new one, you can message a Moderator here to move this over there.**

**You're on the right track with your vest and as long as the zipper pull tab is hidden, having a front facing zipper is fine. When you start your WIP, I'd be interested to see additional pictures of your top armor plates and how much coverage they have. Per the CRL's, armor plates cannot hang over the edge of your vest and from one or two of your pictures in this thread, they look pretty close to the edge. Not a critique, but its something to be aware of.**

**Most importantly, You are off to a great start and I think you're doing great! Kurshi, Matchstick, and everyone else here are excited to help you along the path you are on and through the dedication, communication, understanding, and enthusiasm, you'll be OM in no time! Best of luck to you and I'll be keeping an eye on you and I look forward to welcoming you as an OM very soon!**
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Oct 12, 2021, 01:38 PM
Hey there Mr. Tramp!

I remember you!

It looks like you've done a lot since the last time we talked and I hope all is well!

Let's get into your visor issue really quick. I'm on my work computer so I cant copy/paste pictures so I'll be using written references. I hope that it translates okay for you.

**In your initial picture of your helmet (on the previous page) It very much looks like your visor does not reach the bottom of the mandibles. There are a few easy ways to correct this optical illusion *AND* help keep the integrity (both physical and visual) of your helmet. One way, which is what I did for my current helmet, is to install a small spacer between the mandibles at the bottom edge of your helmet. You can do this easy with a piece of scrap Sintra, ABS, or any approved building material. I'd say about 3/4" max width would work. This hides the bottom of the visor and provides a good amount of stability to the helmet. And since your visor material is so thin, it would still be removable for replacement (if need be).**

**I feel like you've come to the point in your build where a WIP thread in your local Clan page is warranted. Pretty soon you're going to want to go through pre-app and its a great tool for you to utilize. You have a good group of Ruusalore in the NE region who will be eager to help you fine-tune your armor and get those OM stripes! If you like, instead of starting a new one, you can message a Moderator here to move this over there.**

**You're on the right track with your vest and as long as the zipper pull tab is hidden, having a front facing zipper is fine. When you start your WIP, I'd be interested to see additional pictures of your top armor plates and how much coverage they have. Per the CRL's, armor plates cannot hang over the edge of your vest and from one or two of your pictures in this thread, they look pretty close to the edge. Not a critique, but its something to be aware of.**

**Most importantly, You are off to a great start and I think you're doing great! Kurshi, Matchstick, and everyone else here are excited to help you along the path you are on and through the dedication, communication, understanding, and enthusiasm, you'll be OM in no time! Best of luck to you and I'll be keeping an eye on you and I look forward to welcoming you as an OM very soon!**

Thanks. A spacer is definitely what I was thinking too, so weíre on the same page there. I have plenty of black ABS.

As for the armor being close to the edge of the vest, are you referring to up by the shoulders?
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Venix Arden on Oct 12, 2021, 01:39 PM
yessir! up near the top the collar looks to overlap the vest by a little bit. It'll be something we as App Team will look at closely when your official App comes thru
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Oct 13, 2021, 04:00 AM
yessir! up near the top the collar looks to overlap the vest by a little bit. It'll be something we as App Team will look at closely when your official App comes thru

I doubt thatíll be much of an issue once the shoulder pauldrons are in place, as there will be straps running between the collar and shoulder pauldrons which will ultimately be covering that area.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Venix Arden on Oct 13, 2021, 05:20 PM
However you decide to build your armor is up to you providing you read, understand, and follow the CRL's. Working closely with your Ruus and other clanmates is invaluable and I think it can ultimately be such a beautiful and humbling experience for a recruit. For example, let's say you're dead set on strapping the shoulder bells (pauldrons are a different beast in the SW world) the way you envision and your Ruus shows you a simpler way like magnets or velcro strapping. The method suggested could very well end up being a breath of fresh air for you and save you time, money and effort and would lead to a quicker approval process.

As for your collar and other chest plates, the App Team (and pre-app team if you choose) will take a look at the spacing, placement, and relative size of your armor from head to toe and decide if the costume meets the requirements for approval. I can't stress this enough to all the recruits out there: *PLEASE* work with your local clan at every opportunity and listen, learn and grow in your skills. Be prepared for fixes and embrace them knowing that the goal as App Team is not to deny people, it's to approve them. I personally would love to see you, Tramp, and every other highly motivated recruit out there approved and become an official member of this amazing club
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Oct 13, 2021, 08:07 PM
However you decide to build your armor is up to you providing you read, understand, and follow the CRL's. Working closely with your Ruus and other clanmates is invaluable and I think it can ultimately be such a beautiful and humbling experience for a recruit. For example, let's say you're dead set on strapping the shoulder bells (pauldrons are a different beast in the SW world) the way you envision and your Ruus shows you a simpler way like magnets or velcro strapping. The method suggested could very well end up being a breath of fresh air for you and save you time, money and effort and would lead to a quicker approval process.

As for your collar and other chest plates, the App Team (and pre-app team if you choose) will take a look at the spacing, placement, and relative size of your armor from head to toe and decide if the costume meets the requirements for approval. I can't stress this enough to all the recruits out there: *PLEASE* work with your local clan at every opportunity and listen, learn and grow in your skills. Be prepared for fixes and embrace them knowing that the goal as App Team is not to deny people, it's to approve them. I personally would love to see you, Tramp, and every other highly motivated recruit out there approved and become an official member of this amazing club

Will do. Iím in the process of mounting the side straps and buckles now. Once the sides are done and the epoxy is completely cured, Iíll get some more pics up and then worry about the shoulder plates.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Oct 15, 2021, 11:31 AM
Well, the side straps are attached and I did a test fit with my flight-suit top and vest. So far so good. Let me know what you all think.

(https://i.imgur.com/JOenwnr.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Sew8yM0.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/W2ZihHW.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/4n2IYtt.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/pkTk3z6.jpg)
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: D'shon Lorra on Oct 22, 2021, 03:49 PM
Very nice colors, vod!  :like:
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Oct 22, 2021, 08:55 PM
I finally have the shoulder plates attached. I used 1.5Ē wide straps for the central strap and 1Ēwide for the corner straps. The shoulder plates each sit 1-7/8Ē from the collar plate at the spine of each plate. The central straps are 4Ē long with about 1Ē from each end used to anchor the strap to the collar and shoulder plate. The corner straps are each 6Ē long with 1Ē-1.5Ē used to anchor each end to its respective plate.

I have also added the Velcro closures and some padding to my bracers.

Let me know what you think.

(https://i.imgur.com/rDU6uBG.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/SKtfShk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/kgLKdqp.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/fUVNsr0.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/B0edDw4.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/oGFqwCW.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/fpyxRGc.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/wFYgknu.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/AabcmsF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/nBiC8fi.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/sU2SxDp.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/CVeJZAB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/t9jqkGH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/JsKwxy8.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/z4mznSR.jpg)
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Matchstick1021 on Oct 29, 2021, 09:55 AM
Looks good!

As long as the shoulder are no more then 2Ē from your collar, and it looks like you made sure they were less then 2Ē, youíll be good to go! Just make sure the shoulders are even with each other per CRLs.

Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Oct 29, 2021, 12:25 PM
Looks good!

As long as the shoulder are no more then 2Ē from your collar, and it looks like you made sure they were less then 2Ē, youíll be good to go! Just make sure the shoulders are even with each other per CRLs.

Keep up the good work!

Yep. I made sure of that. The two central straps were cut to 4Ē, with 1Ē from each end used to anchor the strap to each plate. The gap is just under 2Ē (1-78Ē to be precise). The outer straps were cut to 6Ē with 4Ē between the anchor points, attaching at the corners of the plates, to allow for better range of motion. They are even too. I made sure of that. It might look off from the angle of the first picture, but thatís only because I wasnít perfectly straight on and centered to my phone.  :-[ >:(

Iím working on finishing the codpiece as we speak.

UPDATE:

I have the codpiece done. It attaches to my belt using belt keepers. The first two are riveted and epoxied to the top edge of the codpiece while two more are attached to the opposite end of the ďBoba thongĒ to attach to the back of the belt.

Hereís a few shots of my lower kit (sans boots, utility belt and Kama).

(https://i.imgur.com/XASC5Sb.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/MWOoku2.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3AG0T7v.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/pPf8ljJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Oct 31, 2021, 08:57 PM
Well, hereís my full kit; at least good enough for Halloween. It definitely needs some adjustment and tweaks.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZCwd16a.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/pLRllrv.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/WeAQDkr.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/11PsbHf.jpg)
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Aster Veris on Nov 03, 2021, 04:14 PM
Nice work!
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Nov 24, 2021, 05:58 PM
With Halloween out of the way, I finally got around to fixing the issue with the helmet visor. As Venix Arden suggested, I added a spacer made of black ABS. Not only does it cover the bottom of the visor, and provide the added structural integrity, but it also leveled out the mandibles; they were slightly off kilter. What do you all think?

(https://i.imgur.com/4jqigWX.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Skcn0hW.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3nfsaR0.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Ni9yLwT.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/KvlslQY.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/a8wa0oX.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/643arlW.jpg)

The next thing I need to figure out is how to ďdarkenĒ the visor form the outside without reducing my own visibility from inside, or losing the current blue color.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: D'shon Lorra on Nov 24, 2021, 08:33 PM
That looks great to my eyes, vod! Why do you want to try to darken the visor more than it already is? You do need to be able to see while trooping. :maul:
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Nov 24, 2021, 08:43 PM
That looks great to my eyes, vod! Why do you want to try to darken the visor more than it already is? You do need to be able to see while trooping. :maul:

Because, when I took a selfie wearing the helmet in bright daylight without my neck gaiter on, I could see my face behind the visor in the photo. That could be a CRL violation. Youíre not supposed to be able to see inside the helmet from the outside. If I wear my gaiter over my mouth and nose, it obscures my face, for the most part, but that makes it harder to breathe.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: D'shon Lorra on Nov 24, 2021, 08:48 PM
Hmmmm... are you thinking of adding a second, welder-dark layer of visor material behind the pretty blue? Or, is there something you could laminate on the inside?
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Nov 24, 2021, 09:25 PM
Hmmmm... are you thinking of adding a second, welder-dark layer of visor material behind the pretty blue? Or, is there something you could laminate on the inside?

Iím looking either at window tint, preferably mirrored, or a new Kalevala mirrored visor. However, they havenít been on the forums for months now.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tenaz on Nov 25, 2021, 01:33 AM
Ahhh so here's where all the updates on your WIP have been going! You have made a tremendous amount of progress. Its great to see how this has really come together in just a few short months! As Venix and some of the others, have pointed out, it would be great to have these updates shared within the Falco forums, so those who would be most closely involved in getting you app ready can keep a close eye on your progress.

I know this has been said a few times already, but you did a great job with the paint on your armor. Loving the blue application, and those lines are so clean!

There's a good amount of "bagginess" in your sleeves and pants (thighs), that you would need to take in and tightened up a bit, but that's a quick fix that's going to add so much to your kit.

With the updates you made to your helmet, can you take a picture with it on just looking straight ahead? Looking through the new pictures you shared, its clear that you added some support to extend the visor, but you are looking down or the camera is it an awkward angle, making it difficult to see where the visor would now sit.

Cant wait to see more progress from you vod - you're on your way to a great build! Keep up the motivation!
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Nov 25, 2021, 02:39 AM
Ahhh so here's where all the updates on your WIP have been going! You have made a tremendous amount of progress. Its great to see how this has really come together in just a few short months! As Venix and some of the others, have pointed out, it would be great to have these updates shared within the Falco forums, so those who would be most closely involved in getting you app ready can keep a close eye on your progress.

I know this has been said a few times already, but you did a great job with the paint on your armor. Loving the blue application, and those lines are so clean!

There's a good amount of "bagginess" in your sleeves and pants (thighs), that you would need to take in and tightened up a bit, but that's a quick fix that's going to add so much to your kit.

With the updates you made to your helmet, can you take a picture with it on just looking straight ahead? Looking through the new pictures you shared, its clear that you added some support to extend the visor, but you are looking down or the camera is it an awkward angle, making it difficult to see where the visor would now sit.

Cant wait to see more progress from you vod - you're on your way to a great build! Keep up the motivation!

I didnít so much extend the visor as cover the bottom of the visor with a spacer between the mandibles like Venix Arden suggested. The spacer is part of the helmet itself, not attached to the visor, and still lines up with the inner edge of the bevel.

As for the ďbagginessĒ of the thighs and sleeves, first off, these are BDUs, which are intentionally looser fitting for greater range of motion in combat. Second, the thighs arenít baggy at all. You might be confusing the cargo pockets on the sides of the thighs (which are still allowed by the CRLs, given that even Boba Fett had such cargo pockets, albeit on the front of his thighs) with baggy thighs. As for the  sleeves, the seam which would be ďtaken inĒ on most shirts is covered almost entirely by a large patch/gusset which wraps halfway around the outside of the sleeve and runs from the middle of the tricep to the middle of the forearm. Not only that, but the sleeves are designed to fit a large range of arm circumferences. You donít tailor BDU sleeves, itís not even an option, given their specific design and functionality. You tighten them at the wrist using any of the three buttons around the cuff, which, in turn, puts a deep pleat in the sleeve. Thatís how you adjust the fit of BDU sleeves. So, not only donít you ďtailorĒ BDU sleeves to make them tighter, you canít tailor BDU sleeves. Theyíre not designed for it,  just the opposite, in fact.

In order to ďtailorĒ BDU sleeves, you would essentially need to almost completely disassemble them. It should also be noted that my vambraces do tend push my sleeves up, which, obviously, causes them to bunch up. Now, one potential solution to this issue is to wrap the lower sleeves, possibly with an elastic blousing strap, armband, or some such, before putting on my vambraces. However, I have no plans, nor intention, to permanently alter my sleeves, especially since I will often be wearing a sweatshirt underneath during cold weather events.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Cattriss Wren on Nov 25, 2021, 07:48 AM
Awesome job so far vode :like: keep it up ;D I really like the paint you chose.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Aster Veris on Nov 25, 2021, 09:42 PM
Your visor looks okay to me; I think you could see your face because if light shines through the inside of the helmet it doesn't look as reflective. Where did you get your current visor?
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Nov 25, 2021, 09:57 PM
Your visor looks okay to me; I think you could see your face because if light shines through the inside of the helmet it doesn't look as reflective. Where did you get your current visor?

A hobby store. Itís just an old sheet of blue clear plastic I had bought several years prior, along with a sheet of yellow, green, and orange, for kitbashing custom Transformers.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Ru'Stor Rawr on Nov 25, 2021, 09:59 PM
I didnít so much extend the visor as cover the bottom of the visor with a spacer between the mandibles like Venix Arden suggested. The spacer is part of the helmet itself, not attached to the visor, and still lines up with the inner edge of the bevel.

As for the ďbagginessĒ of the thighs and sleeves, first off, these are BDUs, which are intentionally looser fitting for greater range of motion in combat. Second, the thighs arenít baggy at all. You might be confusing the cargo pockets on the sides of the thighs (which are still allowed by the CRLs, given that even Boba Fett had such cargo pockets, albeit on the front of his thighs) with baggy thighs. As for the  sleeves, the seam which would be ďtaken inĒ on most shirts is covered almost entirely by a large patch/gusset which wraps halfway around the outside of the sleeve and runs from the middle of the tricep to the middle of the forearm. Not only that, but the sleeves are designed to fit a large range of arm circumferences. You donít tailor BDU sleeves, itís not even an option, given their specific design and functionality. You tighten them at the wrist using any of the three buttons around the cuff, which, in turn, puts a deep pleat in the sleeve. Thatís how you adjust the fit of BDU sleeves. So, not only donít you ďtailorĒ BDU sleeves to make them tighter, you canít tailor BDU sleeves. Theyíre not designed for it,  just the opposite, in fact.

In order to ďtailorĒ BDU sleeves, you would essentially need to almost completely disassemble them. It should also be noted that my vambraces do tend push my sleeves up, which, obviously, causes them to bunch up. Now, one potential solution to this issue is to wrap the lower sleeves, possibly with an elastic blousing strap, armband, or some such, before putting on my vambraces. However, I have no plans, nor intention, to permanently alter my sleeves, especially since I will often be wearing a sweatshirt underneath during cold weather events.


your choice of soft parts do not over ride the CRLs, i agree that you need more tailoring for a moe snug fit, it is in the 1st line of the CRLs for the flight suit,

Flight suit:
Flight suit must fit snugly to the wearer.

The best thing anyone who wants approval can do is follow the CRLs, if you ignore them they will come back to bite you in the shebs
Good luck with your build
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Nov 26, 2021, 12:25 AM

your choice of soft parts do not over ride the CRLs, i agree that you need more tailoring for a moe snug fit, it is in the 1st line of the CRLs for the flight suit,

Flight suit:
Flight suit must fit snugly to the wearer.

The best thing anyone who wants approval can do is follow the CRLs, if you ignore them they will come back to bite you in the shebs
Good luck with your build

Never said they did.  :8):

As I said, I already have a solution in mind for the sleeves. The pants already fit pretty snug around the thighs; itís just the cargo pockets on the sides of the thighs that make them look baggier than they really are. The only place they get a little ďlooseĒ is at the knee, and my knee pads take care of that.

(https://i.imgur.com/RMhU1Zx.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/pqGBi99.jpg)

I would also like to point out that Jango Fettís flight suit is far baggier than mine, especially in the thighs, and his sleeves are just as loose around the upper arm.

(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/0/07/Jango-CHRON.jpg)

Looking at different images of Boba Fett, I would say my pant legs are on par with his in terms of how snug they are, if not more so, based upon some shots.

(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/c/c3/BobaFettDockingBay94-ANHSE.png)

(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/7/7d/BobaFettMain.jpg)

(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/b/b5/Bobafettarmor.jpg)

(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/2/2f/JeremyBullochBobaFett.png)

Neither wore particularly snug flight suits, especially around the arms and legs. If they are the ďgold standardĒ for how Mandalorian armor and soft goods should fit, then my pants, at least, meet those standards. My sleeves? As I said, I have a potential solution in mind. I just need to test it out.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Ru'Stor Rawr on Nov 28, 2021, 11:17 AM
If you were doing a Canon Character like Jango or Boba then that would be the case, youre doing a custom build which needs to follow the CRLs for the era you choose to build in, The area i was talking about is the area around the knee where it "Poofs" out due to the knee armor,  also all thighs are pretty snug when sitting like in your photo,  Point is that if you follow the CRLs you should have no issues with approval, if you want the help you can always reach out to me or your Clan Ruus'alor.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Nov 28, 2021, 02:49 PM
Iím not sure what you mean that the knees poof out because of the knee armor. The only part that might be ďproofing outĒ is the cargo pockets on the outside of each thigh, unless youíre talking about what the knee plates are attached too. You might be confusing the knee pads under the armor plates with the pant leg. My knee plates are attached to industrial knee pads being used as plate carriers.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tenaz on Nov 28, 2021, 10:23 PM
Iím not sure what you mean that the knees poof out because of the knee armor. The only part that might be ďproofing outĒ is the cargo pockets on the outside of each thigh, unless youíre talking about what the knee plates are attached too. You might be confusing the knee pads under the armor plates with the pant leg. My knee plates are attached to industrial knee pads being used as plate carriers.

You are right in your assumption here, at least thatís what I was pointing to as well. I see that these are pockets that are apart of the pants. The issue here is that they give the appearance of the pants being overly baggy, and appearance is what the app team is going to be focused on. Looking closely at the pictures, the pockets appear to be sewn onto the top layer of the pants, so if you were to remove them, the pants should still be fully intact and clean, so you could still use them for any other purposes. Can be removed with a seam ripper and a few minutes.

I searched through the Q&A section to get app team rulings on these types of pockets, and here is what I found;

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While slit pockets nee to be hidden, thigh pockets like Boba's are allowed, these are usually more front centred rather than side. The main reason for removal of cargo pockets is that store bought tend to have the pockets on the side and often low enough that they get in the way of the knees.
- source:  Question - Zippers and Pockets (http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=130287.msg1708905#msg1708905)

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Any pockets that fall under armour or are close enough that they can keep pushing armour out of place (knees or thighs are the usual) must be removed.
-source:  Question - Various Soft-Part questions. (http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=136064.msg1758052#msg1758052)

And lastly, if you decide you really want to go the route of keeping them, they would need to be altered a bit:
Quote
cargo pockets should be ok if you can make them appear to be in-universe. Pad them out with foam or cloth to achieve the desired look of Fett's thigh pockets.
-source:  Question - Vertx pants (http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=119701.msg1621867#msg1621867)
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Nov 29, 2021, 12:11 AM
You are right in your assumption here, at least thatís what I was pointing to as well. I see that these are pockets that are apart of the pants. The issue here is that they give the appearance of the pants being overly baggy, and appearance is what the app team is going to be focused on. Looking closely at the pictures, the pockets appear to be sewn onto the top layer of the pants, so if you were to remove them, the pants should still be fully intact and clean, so you could still use them for any other purposes. Can be removed with a seam ripper and a few minutes.

I searched through the Q&A section to get app team rulings on these types of pockets, and here is what I found;
- source:  Question - Zippers and Pockets (http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=130287.msg1708905#msg1708905)
-source:  Question - Various Soft-Part questions. (http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=136064.msg1758052#msg1758052)

And lastly, if you decide you really want to go the route of keeping them, they would need to be altered a bit:-source:  Question - Vertx pants (http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=119701.msg1621867#msg1621867)

Yes, I am keeping the cargo pockets, and am keeping them functional since I do intend to make use of them to store miscellaneous items as needed, at least with the right thigh pocket, since the left one is blocked by my holster. I chose BDUs for my flight suit, not only for their ďmilitaryĒ appearance, but also for their functionality.

As for whether or not theyíre ďin universeĒ despite being on the sides of the thighs, rather than in front, yes, it is. At least one, if not more Resistance soldiers in The Last Jedi have cargo pockets on the sides of his thighs, as seen in this shot here:

(https://i0.wp.com/www.tor.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/holdo-last-jedi.jpg)

Both the tall, dark skinned gentleman and the smaller, young lady next to him, as well as the bearded gentleman on the other side of Admiral Holdo, have cargo pockets on the sides of their thighs, so, yes, they are ďin universeĒ.

It should also be noted that the majority of my soft goods are actual military surplus, the only exceptions being my vest, Kama, boots, and gloves. This was because my persona is a soldier, not a bounty hunter.  I wanted proper, functional, military gear for my soft goods, as befits a soldier.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Venix Arden on Dec 03, 2021, 12:24 PM
I think the biggest issue with the cargo pockets are the fact that they are BDU style pockets that are made to accordion fold in and out, allowing for storage and transport of larger items. When I was in the Army, I used to put my MRE's in my pants pockets  :laugh: Since they have this habit of "poofing" out, I'd suggest ironing them flat and see how the armor fits on the body after that. Unfortunately, *if* they interfere with the plates, more than likely you'll have to remove them or modify them in such a fashion that they A) lay flat and B) do not impede the armor plates.

Circling back to your visor (and answering your PM at the same time) I really would like to see the helmet on and off your head from a straight and level POV. In some of the pictures, it does not look like the visor reaches all the way down to the bottom. When i suggested putting a spacer down at the bottom, I fear there may have been a miscommunication on my part.

(https://i.imgur.com/Iv7IaOU.jpeg)

As you can see from this picture, my helmet has a solid area at the bottom of the mandible and my visor goes just past that on the inside. Doing this also provides much needed stability to the helmet and prevents mandible warping. Just some food for thought.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Fenn Beviin on Dec 03, 2021, 12:46 PM
I think the problem with the "poofiness" of your R thigh is that it looks like you may have pulled your pant leg up so that the knee padding doesn't cover up part of the pockets when worn. Is that a correct assumption as to how you put them on?
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Frostfyre on Dec 03, 2021, 01:09 PM
The App team is going to focus on the general flow of the soft parts and appearance, not the "functionality." If they disrupt the aesthetic of the flight suit with the illusion of bagginess from the cargo pockets, they will be heavily scrutinized by the app team.
 :sabine:
While military gear like the BDU is often used in costume design for rank-and-file rebel fighters, Mandalorians don't have them, nor use them.

Try Venix's idea and see if they lay flat and flush with the rest of the fabric. If not, then they will need to be removed.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Asenath Wren on Dec 03, 2021, 01:12 PM
Hi Tramp!  First of I'd like to say that i love the idea of using transparent tints over a metallic base for your armor, the effect is really nice!

As for the visor question, I can see that the situation is a bit better than when you first posted the helmet, but it isn't quite completely solved yet.  Per the CRLs, the visor has to sit flush on the inside of the helmet:

"Visor should sit flush on inside of helmet. Gaps should be kept to a minimum and should not exceed ľĒ or 6mm."

I think the reason your visor doesn't appear to reach the bottom is because there's a gap between the visor itself, and the inside of the mandible at the bottom of the T.  This can be fixed as someone already suggested by putting some spacer material BEHIND the visor to press it into the inside of the mandible, or possibly also by adding material to the inner rim of the mandible where it doesn't sit flush against the visor. 

Also to reiterate Venix's suggestion, a straight-on shot of you in your helmet will go a very long way toward showing that your visor is the correct length.  Personally I always add clarifying photos like that directly onto my application in the "additional photos" section, it can save the App Team from having to dig through your WIP looking for something specific.

I also just wanted to take a second to address this:

It should also be noted that the majority of my soft goods are actual military surplus, the only exceptions being my vest, Kama, boots, and gloves. This was because my persona is a soldier, not a bounty hunter.  I wanted proper, functional, military gear for my soft goods, as befits a soldier.

While it's really cool that you have a persona and story worked out for your character, unfortunately that doesn't let us circumvent the rules that are in place when helping recruits get approved.  Since our images in our approved kits technically belong to LFL, sometimes it helps to think of us not as characters, but as film props.  We are here to *look* like characters in Star Wars, and the stories we write for our characters have no bearing on whether or not our costumes are approvable within the existing aesthetic framework of the CRLs and Lucasfilm.

That being said, I think using BDUs is do-able, with the adjustments that others have recommended.
Unfortunately existing military surplus often has to be modified for use in Star Wars costumes specifically because it is identifiable as Earth military.

I wonder if, to combat the seeming bagginess of the cargo pockets, you could add a small square of velcro to the inside of the pocket, to hold the pocket closer to the thigh when empty?  That way it would still be usable, but not appear to be baggy when not in use.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Matchstick1021 on Dec 03, 2021, 01:51 PM
Yes, I am keeping the cargo pockets, and am keeping them functional since I do intend to make use of them to store miscellaneous items as needed, at least with the right thigh pocket, since the left one is blocked by my holster. I chose BDUs for my flight suit, not only for their ďmilitaryĒ appearance, but also for their functionality.


My flight suit is a fully fire resistant Air Force BDU that was bought from a military surplus store as well.  I still removed or sewed shut pockets to comply with CRLs. All of my miscellaneous items go in my belt pouches, which are in-universe and fit into the CRLs.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Ru'Stor Rawr on Dec 03, 2021, 01:56 PM
Goes back to my original statement, personal choice of soft parts and backstory doesnít override the crls
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Sabine on Dec 03, 2021, 02:21 PM
On the subject of BDUs and surplus, yes, star wars does occasionally use military surplus, but it is overwhelmingly for members of the rebellion, resistance, or empire military because all 3 of those ARE military. No onscreen live Mandos use surplus gear. The soft parts are all custom, the leather goods are hand made and character specific, the colors and details are unique. So while surplus has a place in star wars, that place has never been with Mandalorian characters.

As for functionality - this comes up quite often and all I can say is you need to let go of that desire for functionality. There is absolutely nothing functional about Mando armor. not as protective gear, not for carrying things, not for keeping cool - Mando armor is an inconvenient pain in the sheebs. In the Mandalorian, I'm told they use rubber stunt armor for certain scenes because of the lack of ability to move and bend, and if you watch closely across all live action media there's shots of armor out of whack everywhere because of how terrible it is to move and fight in. That's just how it is. That being said, there are lots of solutions to making it more functional that you can take advantage of. Leather pouches are a great choice - they're fairly simple to make and dye even if you haven't done leather work, and you can make make a variety of sizes or shapes to suit your needs. You can then strap pouches to your belt, to taller boots, to crossbody straps...I have a drop pouch planned for mine that will hang from my belt but be strapped to my thigh.

Ultimately, making a Mando is an opportunity to step outside your comfort zone and exercise creativity. It's okay to love the military aesthetic and use BDUs and want functionality. The real trick is finding solutions to use BDUs while modifying them to fit with Mando aesthetic and the CRLs.

I hope that helps!
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Kurshi BeJahaal on Dec 03, 2021, 03:28 PM
I think there's a lot to take into consideration here. You've got an entire Region's Ruus Team and several App Team Members trying to make sure that your kit meets the requirements for your approval. We want to see you succeed and get your stripes. You have a lot of passion and are very driven. Both of which will be a great asset to Falco Clan.

I will echo the need to remove the cargo pockets. Why? Because it will come back as a fix for you if they're not heavily modified, fully hidden or removed. This is why we deck ourselves out with pouches. Pockets, aside from the front of the thigh Fett-style ones, aren't typically seen on Modern Era Mandos. The CRLs are written to provide that continuity with our custom builds. My Protector has thigh pouches, but I'm using a Boba Flightsuit.

We're here to help, that's all we're trying to do. We will gladly put our heads together at any time to help you or any other recruit pass.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Dec 03, 2021, 06:09 PM
Hi Tramp!  First of I'd like to say that i love the idea of using transparent tints over a metallic base for your armor, the effect is really nice!

As for the visor question, I can see that the situation is a bit better than when you first posted the helmet, but it isn't quite completely solved yet.  Per the CRLs, the visor has to sit flush on the inside of the helmet:

"Visor should sit flush on inside of helmet. Gaps should be kept to a minimum and should not exceed ľĒ or 6mm."

I think the reason your visor doesn't appear to reach the bottom is because there's a gap between the visor itself, and the inside of the mandible at the bottom of the T.  This can be fixed as someone already suggested by putting some spacer material BEHIND the visor to press it into the inside of the mandible, or possibly also by adding material to the inner rim of the mandible where it doesn't sit flush against the visor. 

Also to reiterate Venix's suggestion, a straight-on shot of you in your helmet will go a very long way toward showing that your visor is the correct length.  Personally I always add clarifying photos like that directly onto my application in the "additional photos" section, it can save the App Team from having to dig through your WIP looking for something specific.

I also just wanted to take a second to address this:

While it's really cool that you have a persona and story worked out for your character, unfortunately that doesn't let us circumvent the rules that are in place when helping recruits get approved.  Since our images in our approved kits technically belong to LFL, sometimes it helps to think of us not as characters, but as film props.  We are here to *look* like characters in Star Wars, and the stories we write for our characters have no bearing on whether or not our costumes are approvable within the existing aesthetic framework of the CRLs and Lucasfilm.

That being said, I think using BDUs is do-able, with the adjustments that others have recommended.
Unfortunately existing military surplus often has to be modified for use in Star Wars costumes specifically because it is identifiable as Earth military.

I wonder if, to combat the seeming bagginess of the cargo pockets, you could add a small square of velcro to the inside of the pocket, to hold the pocket closer to the thigh when empty?  That way it would still be usable, but not appear to be baggy when not in use.


The visor does reach the bottom of the mandibles on the inside. The ďissueĒ is that the entire bottom edge of the helmet, including the mandibles, is beveled so the outside edge is 1/4Ē lower than the inside edge. Also, the visor does fit flush against the helmet, particularly at the bottom, given that thereís a foam ring around the base of the helmet that sandwiches the visor between it and the helmet, so it is pressed against the mandibles. The visor is mounted to the inside of the helmet around the top of the ďTĒ by 1/16Ē thick double-sided mounting tape, so I can replace the visor, if necessary.

The spacer is added behind the mandibles, but in front of the visor. I donít want the mandibles completely filled in, just the bottom of the visor itself covered, but still keep the ďillusionĒ of separate mandibles. I might add a second thin strip under the bottom edge, if necessary, but I would rather not. I also havenít painted the spacer, yet. I like the look of it as is.

(https://i.imgur.com/R84S5RL.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/jdRQrtw.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0qrfTud.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/H1oHxS1.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1Feho6t.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/oVPjZeO.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3ebDxmC.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/oISlf8d.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZGxIThd.jpg)

I think there's a lot to take into consideration here. You've got an entire Region's Ruus Team and several App Team Members trying to make sure that your kit meets the requirements for your approval. We want to see you succeed and get your stripes. You have a lot of passion and are very driven. Both of which will be a great asset to Falco Clan.

I will echo the need to remove the cargo pockets. Why? Because it will come back as a fix for you if they're not heavily modified, fully hidden or removed. This is why we deck ourselves out with pouches. Pockets, aside from the front of the thigh Fett-style ones, aren't typically seen on Modern Era Mandos. The CRLs are written to provide that continuity with our custom builds. My Protector has thigh pouches, but I'm using a Boba Flightsuit.

We're here to help, that's all we're trying to do. We will gladly put our heads together at any time to help you or any other recruit pass.

Except that the CRLs donít say anything about thigh mounted cargo pockets. The only rule about pockets in the CRLs are in regards to the slit pockets on the hips, and external back pockets on the seat of the pants ( which my pants donít have, they have cover flaps which close the internal slit pockets in the seat of the pants), both of which are completely hidden by my Kama. There is nothing at all in the CRLs that say cargo pockets on the thighs need to be modified or removed. Iíve read them forwards and backwards. To quote:

Quote
External pockets on the seat of the pants must be removed. Internal slit pockets on the hips and slit pockets on the seat of the pants must be hidden, sewn shut, or fully closed so that they donít fall open.

That is all the CRLs say on the issue of pockets for a standard Modern kit. Ther is nothing forbidding thigh mounted cargo pockets, the is no rule requiring any modifications to them if present, what style they need to be if present, nor where they need to be mounted, be it front or side.  The only rule on Cargo pockets in the CRLs at all is in regards to pilots, and that rule specifically requires that the flight suit to have them, and specifically on the front of the thigh. Once again however, that rule is for pilots only. The CRLs for  standard Modern kit, however, has no rule one way or the other on thigh mounted cargo pockets. And, I have provided clear in universe examples of side mounted cargo pockets.

And, for the record, I am indeed contemplating making my persona a member of either the Rebellion, New Republic military, or Resistance forces.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Venix Arden on Dec 03, 2021, 11:57 PM
And I'd just like to swing in and say that you have literally dozens of official members here in your WIP thread taking time and energy to do their best to assist you with your costume per the CRL's and your vision

Your responses to our willingness to help comes across as slightly arrogant and flippant to the individuals in this thread who are trying to help you Sir. We WANT you to be approved. You have obvious passion and skill. We want you to succeed and I truly hope that you see that.

I'm going to respectfully ask that you take all of these member's advice and use that as tools in your toolbox for the future. Please reach out to your local Clan (Falco) and ask for some hands on help with some of the issues that have been brought up.  Thank you
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Dec 04, 2021, 02:38 AM
And I'd just like to swing in and say that you have literally dozens of official members here in your WIP thread taking time and energy to do their best to assist you with your costume per the CRL's and your vision

Your responses to our willingness to help comes across as slightly arrogant and flippant to the individuals in this thread who are trying to help you Sir. We WANT you to be approved. You have obvious passion and skill. We want you to succeed and I truly hope that you see that.

I'm going to respectfully ask that you take all of these member's advice and use that as tools in your toolbox for the future. Please reach out to your local Clan (Falco) and ask for some hands on help with some of the issues that have been brought up.  Thank you

And I appreciate that, I really do. And Iím not trying to come off as arrogant or flippant. Itís simply that some of the advice being given genuinely doesnít make sense to me when I read the CRLs themselves. Thatís whatís causing my confusion and consternation.  Having those ďpouch styleĒ cargo pockets, and the functional aesthetic of the BDUs, is the very reason why I chose them for my flight suit, especially since the CRLs themselves do allow them without any explicitly required modifications or placement (except for pilots, where they are a requirement and do need to be on the front). These are genuine questions and concerns I have.

 Dha Bral suggested to another member, back in 2016, to fill the cargo pockets of his Vertx pants with something, basically to make it clear that they were pockets, and not baggy pant legs (http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=201879.120), and that is certainly an option, at least for the pre app and app pics, when the time comes. Though I would be inclined to put something a little more practical in the right side pocket than foam or cloth padding.  :8):

Iíll be the first to say that the pics I posted in full kit are definitely not up to standard, nor are they even remotely intended as pre-app pics. If anything, I dressed pretty hastily to get ready for trick or treaters, and was put on without any assistance. That is probably a big part of the problem. Think about it. My gun belt isnít even on straight in those pics. The buckle should be centered over my codpiece, but, instead is cocked to one side.  I donít even have the mounts to mount hoses attached to my right vambrace nor to the inside of my back plate above my right shoulder. I also still need a sheath for my Kal dagger and belt mounts for my micro charges. Heck, I might end up having to replace my visor if itís not ďopaqueĒ enough. I have been thinking about getting a Kalevala mirrored visor, but theyíve been incommunicado form the forums since May, so Iím not sure whatís going on with them. So, right now, my primary concern (after the holidays) is getting my helmet up to snuff and getting the hoses mounted.

I would love to have some actual hands on help, but there are no official members, much less officers, in the Buffalo area. They all live on the other side of the state. I think the closest OM might be in Syracuse, over two hours away by car, and I ride a mountain bike.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tenaz on Dec 04, 2021, 07:35 AM
Hey Tramp! Youíve gotten a lot of feedback here, from the people that know the CRLs best, and theyíre addressing multiple pieces. I think you are taking the right approach in your last post - starting with the helmet, and getting that squared away first. You can work your way down the kit from there, making sure each piece is compliant as you go. Thereís no rush to get it all done by any particular time!

While Iím not near the Buffalo area, I can certainly lend a virtual hand. Getting live help, even if itís just a call or video call goes a long way in clarifying any miscommunication in the forums lol

Looking forward to seeing this moving forward!
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: ishtob on Dec 04, 2021, 01:29 PM
Dha Bral suggested to another member, back in 2016, to fill the cargo pockets of his Vertx pants with something, basically to make it clear that they were pockets, and not baggy pant legs (http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=201879.120), and that is certainly an option, at least for the pre app and app pics, when the time comes. Though I would be inclined to put something a little more practical in the right side pocket than foam or cloth padding.  :8):

I have a fabric pouch that is floppy, ended up make a 3 sided rectangle with EVA foam stack to give is structure while keeping the pouch functional for my wallet and phone

as for the cargo pocket. In its current form, it looks almost like a  after thought the way itís partially tucked under the knee armor. If you were a real mando planning your tactical gears, you would never plan to have a pocket to be partially under an armor.

If you can sew or knows someone who can, a boba styled cargo pocket would look great here. I did a quick sketch of what they may look like

(https://i.imgur.com/otVBIOM.jpg)
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Dec 04, 2021, 08:24 PM
I have a fabric pouch that is floppy, ended up make a 3 sided rectangle with EVA foam stack to give is structure while keeping the pouch functional for my wallet and phone

as for the cargo pocket. In its current form, it looks almost like a  after thought the way itís partially tucked under the knee armor. If you were a real mando planning your tactical gears, you would never plan to have a pocket to be partially under an armor.

If you can sew or knows someone who can, a boba styled cargo pocket would look great here. I did a quick sketch of what they may look like

(https://i.imgur.com/otVBIOM.jpg)
The cargo pockets are a stock part of the pants themselves, not an add-on. They donít really tuck into the knee plates either since the band that secured my knee pads (which the knee plates are attached to) wraps below the knee, not above it, making sure that the knee plates bend with my lower leg. As I said, I will most likely simply put some random items in my right cargo pocket when I take my Pre-App and App pics when the time comes. The goal is to make it clear that those are cargo pockets, not baggy pants.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Jan 14, 2022, 01:03 PM
With the holidays over, itís time to get back to the Kit. I have a new visor on order and have finished the spacer between the mandibles of my helmet. Let me know what you think.

(https://i.imgur.com/V6BoAY4.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Uy7BEFV.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/rxvfWyH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/AfIv7g3.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/2Z1fdu2.jpg)
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Matchstick1021 on Jan 15, 2022, 02:13 AM
Looking forward to seeing the new visor! Where'd you get it?

The one thing I'm seeing at the moment that could cause some issues is there's a bit of overspray and bleeding from the gold upper cheek onto the blue on the left hand side. Since the CRLs call out
Quote
Paint that has bled under taped off sections must be cleaned up and not left unaddressed
this could cause kickback on your App. I'm pretty sure you're going for a clean kit right? If not this could probably be covered with some weathering, believe me I've got a few places where I did that. :laugh: But having the visor out would give you the perfect opportunity to do some quick touch ups!

Again, super cool paint job with that metallic blue, keep it up!
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Jan 15, 2022, 02:51 AM
I ordered one from Kalevala Visorsí website. Theyíre only taking orders from their site now. I ordered their ďOceanĒ visor 12Ēx12Ē size.

Thanks for pointing out the overspray. And yes, I am going for a clean kit, at the very least a ďwell maintainedĒ Kit, as opposed to a ďweatheredĒ one.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Aster Veris on Jan 16, 2022, 11:21 PM
Visor looks awesome!
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Jan 17, 2022, 01:27 AM
Visor looks awesome!
Thatís still the old visor. The new one hasnít even shipped yet.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Aster Veris on Jan 17, 2022, 04:22 PM
Oh  :laugh: :P no brain today
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Jan 17, 2022, 06:14 PM
Oh  :laugh: :P no brain today

No prob. Whatís new is the completed spacer. I added that bottom ďshelfĒ to it.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Jan 19, 2022, 04:22 PM
Fixed the overspray and a couple of other blemishes. I also padded the rangefinder mount where the rangefinder stalk rubs against the helmet.

(https://i.imgur.com/KwR3wAF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/BdcbUiX.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/owEkCFK.jpg)

Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Jan 28, 2022, 01:46 PM
Small update and a question.

My new visor from Kalevala Visors just shipped, and should, hopefully, arrive in a few days, barring any mishaps. Once thatís installed, I think my helmet will be finished.

I finally managed to get the hoses attached to my right vambrace. The top mount didnít have a hole for a hose attachment so I drilled one myself and bought some fittings for attaching the hoses to my armor, one is a 1/4Ē hose splicer I fitted into the upper mount for the flamethrowerĒ.

(https://i.imgur.com/sbvLz8Z.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ytzjgFP.jpg)

Now, my question. What do you guys think would be the best way to secure the other end of the hoses to my armor itself? How have youíd guys done it? I currently have 1/4Ē ID x 1/4Ē FIP Adapters attached at the end of each hose. My original plan was to epoxy them together, and then to the inside of my collar plate, but that would leave my right vambrace basically permanently ďattachedĒ to my cuirass by the hoses. Where do you guys attach tthe other ends of your hoses to the rest of your kit and how do you do it?
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Vercopaanir on Jan 28, 2022, 02:52 PM
So I was helping a Fett kit up and he attached his via a buckle in the double sleeve portion of his flight suit.  A key chain ring was run through the end of the hose and a small piece of elastic was attached to the key chain ring.  The elastic was sewn into the buckle and that whole bit was tucked under the sleeve.  The other side of the buckle was sewn to the inside of the sleeve as close to the shoulder seam as possible.  Now, you don't have the double sleeves but you could do a small fabric patch on the outer arm that ends up under the shoulder to hide the attachment and that should look right and still allow you to remove your armor fairly easily.  Just one possibility
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Jan 28, 2022, 03:30 PM
So I was helping a Fett kit up and he attached his via a buckle in the double sleeve portion of his flight suit.  A key chain ring was run through the end of the hose and a small piece of elastic was attached to the key chain ring.  The elastic was sewn into the buckle and that whole bit was tucked under the sleeve.  The other side of the buckle was sewn to the inside of the sleeve as close to the shoulder seam as possible.  Now, you don't have the double sleeves but you could do a small fabric patch on the outer arm that ends up under the shoulder to hide the attachment and that should look right and still allow you to remove your armor fairly easily.  Just one possibility

So, basically, attach one part of a parachute buckle to the combined hose adapters and the othe part to the inside of my collar/back plate assembly?
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Vercopaanir on Jan 28, 2022, 04:46 PM
That sounds like it would work.  :like:  Just make sure it lands on a non-weight bearing portion of the armor or that will become painful if worn for any length of time.  There might be other options out there as well, so you can fiddle with where you attach it to find what looks best and suits your own mobility.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Jan 28, 2022, 04:50 PM
That sounds like it would work.  :like:  Just make sure it lands on a non-weight bearing portion of the armor or that will become painful if worn for any length of time.  There might be other options out there as well, so you can fiddle with where you attach it to find what looks best and suits your own mobility.

Well, my current plan was to attach the hoses on the inside of my collar/backplate assembly right behind my right trapezius muscle.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Kurshi BeJahaal on Jan 30, 2022, 03:32 PM
Yep! I think a lot of Fetts do it that way. You can always run the same setup they do and tuck it into your vest so that it sits between the vest and the flightsuit, like Vercopaanir suggested.

We have a member here in the Clan that only has one hose and his is long enough that he just tucks it without securing it and it's worked well for him for years.

I love the addition of your hoses, man.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Jan 30, 2022, 07:07 PM
Yep! I think a lot of Fetts do it that way. You can always run the same setup they do and tuck it into your vest so that it sits between the vest and the flightsuit, like Vercopaanir suggested.

We have a member here in the Clan that only has one hose and his is long enough that he just tucks it without securing it and it's worked well for him for years.

I love the addition of your hoses, man.

Thanks. The hoses are definitely going between the vest and the armor, not vest and flightsuit. I definitely want more padding  between my skin and those hard brass hex shaped adapters.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Jan 31, 2022, 12:29 PM
YAAAAAAYYYY!!!! My new visor just arrived! From Kalevala Visors. Iíll be installing it Wednesday, as itís my next day off from work. It looks shiny too.  :8):
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Second Son on Jan 31, 2022, 04:32 PM
Nice! Can't wait to see how it goes with that awesome paint job, vod.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Cattriss Wren on Jan 31, 2022, 05:25 PM
How exciting :porg2: can't wait to see it!
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Aster Veris on Feb 02, 2022, 03:23 AM
Nice, excited to see it
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Feb 02, 2022, 04:00 PM
As promised, hereís my helmet with the new visor installed. I really like the way it looks.

(https://i.imgur.com/zdIcDSS.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/hFX8VMT.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/5EyF50Z.jpg)
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: D'shon Lorra on Feb 03, 2022, 01:19 AM
Good choice!  :like:
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Feb 04, 2022, 05:15 PM
OK, I have a bit of a problem I need help with. I test fit the hoses to my vest and armor and ran into an issue. The hoses are pushing my left shoulder pauldron (yes, I know you use that term for something else, but this is also what the Armorer referred to Din Djarinís shoulder plates as, so  :P) way out of position. Theyíre also limiting my mobility somewhat as they are rather stiff. It doesnít help that Iím trying to do this by myself.  :( Take a look:

(https://i.imgur.com/dC63vrT.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/VnqxJ9g.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/voT1NT0.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/TiSXPWJ.jpg)

Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Arkham on Feb 04, 2022, 10:29 PM
Don't run them into you armor. 

Every mando I have seen run hoses from their gauntlets runs them into the sleeve of their vest or flight suit, and that's where they terminate.

Using that stiff of a hose will always push out your armor plate as the flex strength of the hose is greater than the weight of your armor plate.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Feb 04, 2022, 11:38 PM
Don't run them into you armor. 

Every mando I have seen run hoses from their gauntlets runs them into the sleeve of their vest or flight suit, and that's where they terminate.

Using that stiff of a hose will always push out your armor plate as the flex strength of the hose is greater than the weight of your armor plate.

Except my vest has no sleeves nor wings, and my flight suit shirt only has the base long sleeves, no outer short sleeves, so running them up inside the sleeves of my vest or flight suit is impossible. It has to go inside my armor.  Not only that, but remember, my torso plates arenít attached to my vest. Theyíre worn over it, bound together by straps between the plates and secured at the sides by buckles. The back plate isnít moving.
I think I may have found a solution, but wanted to know what you all think. Take a look:

(https://i.imgur.com/eTsvj5H.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7SeyFHC.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/dlwMU1S.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/6yyBNLf.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/DsjPijf.jpg)

Right now itís just stuffed inside between the armor and vest without any secure attachment, but the idea is to make it look like it feeds down to a ďfuel reservoirĒ inside the back plate or on my utility belt (probably the former). This position does provide a much greater range of motion and doesnít interfere with my left shoulder pauldron.

What do you all think? Will it work and how does it look?
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Two_Bears_HF on Feb 05, 2022, 07:37 AM
Better than under the shoulder, but what about building a backpack of some kind and having them plug into that? May look more finished.

Another option may be to add short sleeves to your flak vest, like Boba's new vest in Mandalorian/Book of Boba Fett and feed the hoses up through that.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Feb 05, 2022, 11:15 AM
Better than under the shoulder, but what about building a backpack of some kind and having them plug into that? May look more finished.

Another option may be to add short sleeves to your flak vest, like Boba's new vest in Mandalorian/Book of Boba Fett and feed the hoses up through that.

I donít want anything on my back. I donít want the added weight. Thatís why I didnít go for a jet pack. Iím also not a fan of the short sleeve over long sleeve look.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: ishtob on Feb 05, 2022, 11:46 AM
just a personal opinion on this, I think if you want it plugged into your armor, you should make an actual plug receptacle, a small raised box or something with plugs for the hose to plug into the armor. Just gives it a cleaner and intentional look over all
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Ru'Stor Rawr on Feb 05, 2022, 11:51 AM
just a personal opinion on this, I think if you want it plugged into your armor, you should make an actual plug receptacle, a small raised box or something with plugs for the hose to plug into the armor. Just gives it a cleaner and intentional look over all

good suggestion, or you can add short sleeves and tuck them in, I like the box idea
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Feb 05, 2022, 01:23 PM
Well, as I said, Iím not a fan of the shortsleeved over long sleeves look, and I donít want anything attached to the outside of the armor. An external ďfuel receptacleĒ would be vulnerable to blaster fire. Having it under the armor provides better protection. Thanks for the suggestions though.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Arkham on Feb 05, 2022, 06:10 PM
Mandos with hoses running from their gauntlets generally have a jetpack. This is the fuel for the flamethrower.

Din has flamethrowers, but no hoses. His are self-contained.

You could always just end the hoses at your sleeve's shoulder seam. This would allow your shoulder bell to cover the other end of the hose.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Vercopaanir on Feb 05, 2022, 07:35 PM
Hmmm, it looks a touch odd but that's a personal opinion.  I still like the idea of adding a patch under where the shoulder bell is and ending the hoses there.  Not a second sleeve or cap sleeve, an inverted pocket if you will.  I'm thinking something similar to how some imperials wear their code cylinders on their sleeves only have them facing downward.  The fabric itself will hold the hoses down against your arm so there shouldn't be any armor displacement.  This would also allow it to be contained entirely on your arm so no movement restrictions either. 

Rough sketch of the idea.

(https://i.imgur.com/GyT3XC6.jpg)
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Kurshi BeJahaal on Feb 09, 2022, 08:12 AM
Hmmm, it looks a touch odd but that's a personal opinion.  I still like the idea of adding a patch under where the shoulder bell is and ending the hoses there.  Not a second sleeve or cap sleeve, an inverted pocket if you will.  I'm thinking something similar to how some imperials wear their code cylinders on their sleeves only have them facing downward.  The fabric itself will hold the hoses down against your arm so there shouldn't be any armor displacement.  This would also allow it to be contained entirely on your arm so no movement restrictions either. 

Rough sketch of the idea.

(https://i.imgur.com/GyT3XC6.jpg)

This isn't a bad idea. I think it would look a bit more natural and save you from the double sleeve look that you're not a fan of.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Feb 09, 2022, 12:15 PM
I think I might have come up with a potential solution: air hose quick connectors.

(https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/wcsstore/CVWEB/staticproductimage/N3474/large/11373042_trf_13201_pri_larg.jpg)

My idea is to cut my current hoses down so that they reach to just below my deltoid, with my elbow bent, and attach the female quick connectors to them. Run a second set of hoses from under my collar plate and down under my right pauldron, with the male quick connectors attached to the ends. Then make a strap with three loops, that the upper hoses will run through, that wraps around my right bicep,under the pauldron, to secure the hoses against my arm and keep them from pushing my right pauldron out of place. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Feb 18, 2022, 09:19 PM
I have the hoses pretty well figured out. I do need to trim the longer ones because they stick out of the bottom of my backplate.

(https://i.imgur.com/UaErzWW.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/zJItm3v.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/U47bTvU.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/88pURmS.jpg)

The only downside is that the length of the quick connections make that section of the hoses very rigid, and this limits my ability to straighten my arm.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Aster Veris on Feb 20, 2022, 04:09 PM
Looking good!
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: D'shon Lorra on Feb 24, 2022, 01:38 PM
I really enjoy your decision to use normal QDs. Are you going to leave them shiny brass?  :maul:
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Feb 25, 2022, 01:44 AM
I really enjoy your decision to use normal QDs. Are you going to leave them shiny brass?  :maul:

Yep. It fits with my blue and gold color scheme.

Hereís a full kit suit-up for you all with all of my current upgrades:

(https://i.imgur.com/x6nvhlK.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/fDl3Qvh.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/y0aiL9g.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/z8xknzc.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/oz4F1H2.jpg)

Hereís a few more fun action pics:

(https://i.imgur.com/wR4V5Iu.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/TYFljWm.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/2wjLAbI.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/nsJ5vIU.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/DTlkxsf.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/i9r13OV.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/23FIKE5.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Og1v02a.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/EQyWOHM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/PsJXeDU.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3OisPXO.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/bj0hSZj.jpg)

I really need better lighting. 😞 🤔
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Fenn Beviin on Feb 28, 2022, 08:59 AM
Overall, looking pretty good man.

That being said, those hoses are really misplacing your backplate on that right side. You'll either need to use less hosing so that it doesn't push up your back plate that much or if you want to use all that hosing, you'll probably want to put those up your sleeve. Do you have the ability to drop the metal connectors and just use the tubing?
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Feb 28, 2022, 11:44 AM
Overall, looking pretty good man.

That being said, those hoses are really misplacing your backplate on that right side. You'll either need to use less hosing so that it doesn't push up your back plate that much or if you want to use all that hosing, you'll probably want to put those up your sleeve. Do you have the ability to drop the metal connectors and just use the tubing?

Not really, no. If I just used the tubing, my right vambrace would be essentially permanently connected to my cuirass.

As for putting it up my sleeve, once again no double sleeves, so thatís not an option. On top of that, Iím trying for something similar (but not exactly identical) to how Boba Fett had his in the Mandalorian Season 2 episode, The Tragedy, and Iím using the same type, size, and number of hoses,

(https://www.jedinews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/the-mandalorian-season-2-chapter-14-boba-fett-character-poster-full.jpg)

(https://davegladow.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/boba-825x421.jpg)

My original plan was to have the hoses under my right shoulder plate, but they were pushing it up way out of position.

His tubing is tucked (and somehow secured) just under the wing of his vest. Thatís not really an option for me since, my vest has no ďwingsĒ, and thereís no way to secure the hoses inside my vest. I might be able to move my mounting strap up on the inside of my backplate/collar plate assembly, but that might interfere with the shoulder plate.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Frostfyre on Feb 28, 2022, 12:46 PM
It looks like the hoses are slightly on edge between the backplate and the shoulder/Shoulder wing, as you've mentioned. It appears it has its attachment between the top of the armscye and the starting hem of the shoulder wing, so it isn't placed too far into the costume.
Regardless, you will have to do some readjustments to make sure it does not push your backplate up because that's what the app team will scrutinize. This means you have to look at how it's attached and determine where it can sit without pushing your backplate up too high. You'll have to make sure the hosing isn't sitting too far underneath your vest/backplate to cause that problem.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Feb 28, 2022, 12:57 PM
It looks like the hoses are slightly on edge between the backplate and the shoulder/Shoulder wing, as you've mentioned. It appears it has its attachment between the top of the armscye and the starting hem of the shoulder wing, so it isn't placed too far into the costume.
Regardless, you will have to do some readjustments to make sure it does not push your backplate up because that's what the app team will scrutinize. This means you have to look at how it's attached and determine where it can sit without pushing your backplate up too high. You'll have to make sure the hosing isn't sitting too far underneath your vest/backplate to cause that problem.

For that I might need some physical help from people who know what theyíre doing, and thatís a problem. There are no official members in Buffalo, or anywhere near it. I canít get to the armor parties because theyíre all on the other side of the state, close to NYC, and I donít have a car. I also work on Saturdays. So, Iím stuck working on this without any hands-on assistance.

As for where the hoses attach, you can see that in this pic here:

(https://i.imgur.com/88pURmS.jpg)

The strap is epoxied in place, but, if necessary, I could pull it up and reposition it higher up, if you think that might work better.

Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Fenn Beviin on Feb 28, 2022, 01:37 PM
The brass connectors or whatever those are may just be causing too much tension on the hosing. Looks like you have a lot of spare hose - would you have enough to just run the hoses from the gauntlets under your back plate with the connectors on them? That might fix most of your problem.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Frostfyre on Feb 28, 2022, 02:12 PM
For that I might need some physical help from people who know what theyíre doing, and thatís a problem. There are no official members in Buffalo, or anywhere near it. I canít get to the armor parties because theyíre all on the other side of the state, close to NYC, and I donít have a car. I also work on Saturdays. So, Iím stuck working on this without any hands-on assistance.

As for where the hoses attach, you can see that in this pic here:

(https://i.imgur.com/88pURmS.jpg)

The strap is epoxied in place, but, if necessary, I could pull it up and reposition it higher up, if you think that might work better.

For that, you may not need physical help,  but just have someone spot you either here on the forums, or poking Ruus'alor Sol'yc to see what works and if it is compliant to the CRLs.

At most, you may have to do what fenn mentioned in tandem to ensure that there is not too much tension as well.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Feb 28, 2022, 03:06 PM
The brass connectors or whatever those are may just be causing too much tension on the hosing. Looks like you have a lot of spare hose - would you have enough to just run the hoses from the gauntlets under your back plate with the connectors on them? That might fix most of your problem.

While attaching the quick connectors to the vambrace directly would be ideal (it would certainly make suiting up easier), itís not an option, given how DPH/FX set up the holes and tube where the whip cord thrower on the side are sized. That piece was designed to fit a roughly 1/8Ē rod with a 1/4Ē diameter wrap around it to fit the included resin cast hardware. You can see the part Iím talking about in this pic of his Jango set (the only difference between the sets deal with the left vambrace):

(https://i.etsystatic.com/8846989/r/il/2e422a/999683673/il_794xN.999683673_9x16.jpg)
You can see the whipcord thrower attachment right below the top half of the right vambrace, it has a thin metal tube that runs along the bottom side. That tube only has a 1/8Ē diameter interior, if that. Finding a hose adapter with that small of a diameter and the necessary sized threaded end is not likely. The only part I could do that with is the hose at the top of my vambrace where the flamethrower is. Thatís secured with a double-ended 1/4Ē adapter. Unfortunately, itís hammered in pretty good and I might end up destroying that piece getting the adapter out.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: ishtob on Feb 28, 2022, 05:47 PM
Well, as I said, Iím not a fan of the shortsleeved over long sleeves look, and I donít want anything attached to the outside of the armor. An external ďfuel receptacleĒ would be vulnerable to blaster fire. Having it under the armor provides better protection. Thanks for the suggestions though.

if that's the line of thinking, why have exposed fuel lines at all, wouldn't the tubing be exposed to blaster fire as well?

The other reason I mentioned external attachemnt for the hose is to minimize the amount of lifting of your back armor plate you will get with a semi-rigid tube setup like the ones you've got here.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Feb 28, 2022, 08:11 PM
if that's the line of thinking, why have exposed fuel lines at all, wouldn't the tubing be exposed to blaster fire as well?

Yes, but they present a much smaller target than a fuel tank/bladder would. Not only that, but hoses are an absolute necessity to get said fuel from the tank to the weapon. Theyíre also pretty ubiquitous on Mandalorian vambraces with built-in flamethrowers. Thus, they serve a necessary practical purpose and have to be exposed. Thereís no getting around that. A fuel tank or fuel bladder does not need to be exposed in order to serve its function, and itís a much larger target that needs more protection.

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The other reason I mentioned external attachemnt for the hose is to minimize the amount of lifting of your back armor plate you will get with a semi-rigid tube setup like the ones you've got here.

Once the side straps are buckled tight, the back plate doesnít move. Itís very rigid. Overall, thereís maybe a 1/2Ē gap created just around the hoses. Youíd get that gap between the vest and shirt, or between the short sleeve and long sleeve as well. In fact, the gap between the sleeves seen in Boba Fettís OT kit was even greater.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Fenn Beviin on Mar 01, 2022, 09:17 AM
I would imagine the adapter coming out of the whipcord housing itself is fine - I'm worried that the connectors in the middle portion of the tubing is what might be causing your problems. From the photo, it looks like the spare hosing you have tucked under your back plate would be more than enough tubing to get that connected directly to your gauntlets without needing the mid-section connection points. I could be wrong there though.

Measure twice, cut once right?  :laugh:
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Arkham on Mar 01, 2022, 11:29 AM
Yes, but they present a much smaller target than a fuel tank/bladder would. Not only that, but hoses are an absolute necessity to get said fuel from the tank to the weapon. Theyíre also pretty ubiquitous on Mandalorian vambraces with built-in flamethrowers. Thus, they serve a necessary practical purpose and have to be exposed. Thereís no getting around that. A fuel tank or fuel bladder does not need to be exposed in order to serve its function, and itís a much larger target that needs more protection.

Not true.

Din Djarin has used his flamethrower, far more than we have seen Boba or Jango use theirs, and he has no hoses running to his at all. So the hose is not necessary. If it is a choice you want to make, that's fine. But is is not "an absolutely necessity" as you mentioned.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Mar 01, 2022, 11:56 AM
I would imagine the adapter coming out of the whipcord housing itself is fine - I'm worried that the connectors in the middle portion of the tubing is what might be causing your problems. From the photo, it looks like the spare hosing you have tucked under your back plate would be more than enough tubing to get that connected directly to your gauntlets without needing the mid-section connection points. I could be wrong there though.

Measure twice, cut once right?  :laugh:


Oh no, you are quite right in that regard. It is more than enough. Those were the hoses I originally cut to attach between my Vambrace and cuirass, and what started this whole boondoggle.  :rolleyes: However, as I said, just using those hoses would mean my right vambrace would be permanently attached to my cuirass, making storage, and dressing, much more difficult. Although, given that, currently, I need to make all of my connections before putting on my cuirass because I canít reach the hoses once itís on, dressing is just as difficult.  :rolleyes:

The problem with having adapters come out of the whipcord thrower on the side of my vambrace is the holes in the back of it are too small. Theyíre sized to fit a 1/8Ē smooth rod, not a 1/4Ē ridged hose adapter. I donít know if a 1/8Ē hose adapter would have the right sized threaded end to fit the threaded ends of my quick connectors.

The flamethrower extension, attached to the back of the vambrace on the top, didnít have any holes or hardware, so I drilled one myself  and originally installed a double-ended 1/4Ē adapter. I was able to remove that last night without incident. Thus, I can potentially install one of the regular adapters that attach one of the ďmaleĒ quick connectors. As far as I know, thatís not an option for the whipcord thrower, particularly for the lower tube running along the bottom. My only chance of that is if Home Depot has 1/8Ē adapters with the same size threaded end as the 1/4Ē adapters have. If not, I canít have the quick connectors attached directly to my vambrace.


Din Djarin also has a much more limited fuel supply for his flamethrowers because the fuel tank has to fit inside the vambraces. This is why he tends to run out of fuel very quickly, often after only one or two bursts, as seen in the third episode of The Mandalorian. Jango Fett, Boba Fett, Cad Bane, none of them have that problem because they have a much larger fuel supply mounted on their backs inside their armor (or in their jet pack, whichever it may be). So, Din Djarinís set-up is unusual, and not very practical in the long run, because of that flaw. Itís a trade-off.
Not true.

Din Djarin has used his flamethrower, far more than we have seen Boba or Jango use theirs, and he has no hoses running to his at all. So the hose is not necessary. If it is a choice you want to make, that's fine. But is is not "an absolutely necessity" as you mentioned.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: ishtob on Mar 01, 2022, 03:06 PM
if weight is an issue with connectors, try looking into the airbrush quick disconnects. they work simiarly and are smaller, lighter, and cheaper
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Mar 01, 2022, 08:48 PM
if weight is an issue with connectors, try looking into the airbrush quick disconnects. they work simiarly and are smaller, lighter, and cheaper

Weight is no issue. The issue is the size of the mounting holes in the whipcord thrower, which is cast resin. Unless I can find 1/8Ē hose adapters that fit same size threaded end as the 1/4Ē hose adapters Iím using for the hoses themselves, Iím stuck.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Fenn Beviin on Mar 02, 2022, 08:20 AM
Question! Do you have the hoses clamped into the back plate? What is the black piece that is anchoring them to the inside of your back plate?
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Mar 02, 2022, 09:42 AM
Question! Do you have the hoses clamped into the back plate? What is the black piece that is anchoring them to the inside of your back plate?
The black piece is a strip of nylon webbing with elastic loops sewn on. That assembly was then epoxied in place.  The hoses are currently fed through the loops and taped together at the far end so that they canít be pulled all the way out.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Fenn Beviin on Mar 02, 2022, 03:37 PM
Ah ok. Right on. Could you remove the metal assembly clasps - then feed the excess hoses to your gauntlets? It wouldn't need to be permanently attached to the gauntlets but you could just hook up the hoses coming out of the back plate directly to your gauntlet before you suit up?

I only use one hose on my kit but I attached hook velcro to the end of the tube and then soft velcro on the inside of my sleeve to get it to stay in place - so mine is a way easier set up than yours haha but hopefully the above might help?
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Mar 02, 2022, 05:18 PM
Ah ok. Right on. Could you remove the metal assembly clasps - then feed the excess hoses to your gauntlets? It wouldn't need to be permanently attached to the gauntlets but you could just hook up the hoses coming out of the back plate directly to your gauntlet before you suit up?

I only use one hose on my kit but I attached hook velcro to the end of the tube and then soft velcro on the inside of my sleeve to get it to stay in place - so mine is a way easier set up than yours haha but hopefully the above might help?

Thatís basically how I originally had it. I didnít like it and it made it hard to get into and out of the cuirass.  The point or the quick connectors is to allow me to hook the hoses up  after I have put both the cuirass and vambrace on.

And, actually, I think I may finally have it licked. Let me know what you all think:

(https://i.imgur.com/8Wj8KpU.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/B94F3xO.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/4LU45WX.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/arsQdJZ.jpg)

I was able to find two 1/8Ē ID x 1/4Ē MIP adapters for the back of the whipcord launcher, though they did have a male threaded end, which required getting a pair of 1/4Ē FIP couplings so I could attach the male quick connectors to each. I also picked up another 1/4ĒID x1/4Ē FIP adapter for the flamethrower. The whipcord thrower holes did have to be enlarged a bit so I could hammer the adapters into them, and I had to epoxy the 1/4Ē adapter into the flamethrower attachment because I stripped the hole out when I removed the double ended adapter I originally installed, but theyíre all secure, thatís all that matters.

The hoses are a bit long, but if they were any shorter, I wouldnít be able to connect the quick connectors after getting both the cuirass and vambrace on; especially since I have to reach around my arm to grab the top most hose in order to attach it via the quick connectors. The length doesnít impede my ability to lower my arm all that much; certainly a lot less than when I had the quick connectors up by the shoulder.

Iím still debating if I should rip the strap and loop setup out and remount it higher up the collar plate or if I should leave well enough alone.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Cattriss Wren on Mar 03, 2022, 10:35 AM
This is looking very nice :like:
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Fenn Beviin on Mar 03, 2022, 11:21 AM
That definitely looks better dude!

I think that maybe spacing where they attach to the inside of the back plate may help more as they still look to be pushing it up.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Mar 04, 2022, 05:42 PM
That definitely looks better dude!

I think that maybe spacing where they attach to the inside of the back plate may help more as they still look to be pushing it up.

They might have gotten tangled. Itís still a bit tricky to attach the hoses to my vambrace. Itís not a serious problem, but doing it in front of a mirror does help.

Hereís a new batch of full kit pics in much better lighting (the sun was still out). Let me know what you all think.

(https://i.imgur.com/dgFOJck.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Ms75CE5.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/lFDMnfS.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/x2Nb74s.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/VZHxlGZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/svWTINm.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/QjW1O0r.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/NWRniFC.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/hLRSOAB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/jT7UaUU.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/TzsK6Ns.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/njONsfR.jpg)
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: D'shon Lorra on Mar 06, 2022, 09:13 PM
I adore those gold accents, especially on the cheeks of your bucket. So well done!  :like:
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Aster Veris on Mar 07, 2022, 11:43 AM
Looking good
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Fenn Beviin on Mar 07, 2022, 01:05 PM
The back plate doesn't appear to be pushed up any more -looks like you remedied that back having more exposed tubing? I think as is, the App team may ding you on the extra long tubes sticking out. Could you just trim them some more? Ideally, you don't want a lot of access "loops" in the tubes - should be more of a straight shot from gauntlet to where ever they are attached.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Mar 07, 2022, 01:28 PM
The back plate doesn't appear to be pushed up any more -looks like you remedied that back having more exposed tubing? I think as is, the App team may ding you on the extra long tubes sticking out. Could you just trim them some more? Ideally, you don't want a lot of access "loops" in the tubes - should be more of a straight shot from gauntlet to where ever they are attached.

 If I shortened them, I wouldnít be able to attach them to my vambrace on my own with everything on. As it is, I have to reach around my right arm with my left arm, and I have some limited range of motion in my left shoulder from previous injuries, which is only compounded by the armor. The best that can be done (and this would require assistance) would be to push the slack back up into the backplate, since the tubes arenít glued in place. Thus, they can slide relatively freely in their loops.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Matchstick1021 on Mar 07, 2022, 01:55 PM
If I shortened them, I wouldnít be able to attach them to my vambrace on my own with everything on.

Thatís why we have handlers ;)

My hoses are attached to my vest behind my back plate kinda where yours are and then attached to the gauntlets using threaded connectors. I can put them on myself, I can get some pics if youíd like.

Another thing, I donít know if itís been pointed out yet but you have what looks like knee pads under your knee plates. That it in violation of the CRL:
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All visible sports armor up to and including soccer shin guards and any combination sport or SWAT/Military/Occupational foot/shin/knee pads will not be accepted for any new applicant who wishes to apply for Official Membership within the MMCC unless used as plate carriers and are modified beyond the normal earthy appearance of the stock piece


But it looks like it would be an easy fix, just remove the pads and just run the knee plate.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Mar 07, 2022, 03:04 PM
Thatís why we have handlers ;)

My hoses are attached to my vest behind my back plate kinda where yours are and then attached to the gauntlets using threaded connectors. I can put them on myself, I can get some pics if youíd like.

Another thing, I donít know if itís been pointed out yet but you have what looks like knee pads under your knee plates. That it in violation of the CRL: 

But it looks like it would be an easy fix, just remove the pads and just run the knee plate.

Iíve read the CRLs. They do allow knee pads to be used as plate carriers. You just canít wear them in lieu of proper knee plates. Thatís what those pads are used for. Theyíre plate carriers for my knee plates.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Matchstick1021 on Mar 07, 2022, 05:52 PM
Funny enough I actually have read the CRLs too, and they say that anything used as a plate carrier must be:
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modified beyond the normal earthy appearance of the stock piece
In my opinion yours arenít.

But ok. Good luck on your build.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on Mar 07, 2022, 08:15 PM
Funny enough I actually have read the CRLs too, and they say that anything used as a plate carrier must be: In my opinion yours arenít.

But ok. Good luck on your build.

Maybe, maybe not. However, Iím nowhere near ready for even Pre-app yet. Thereís still quite a bit of work to be done, including various tweaks here and there.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tenaz on Apr 11, 2022, 02:55 AM
Hey Tramp! Provided feedback for you over in an update to your Falco WIP (http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=202173.msg2302994#msg2302994)
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on May 05, 2022, 12:33 PM
Just got a new canteen for my kit. It's a black M-1961 US Army canteen full set (canteen, cup, and cover).

(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-vkefyy7j0b/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/2152/4742/blackcanteen__83339.1518540428.jpg?c=2)

This is the same canteen used by the Rebel Alliance in the 2015 Battlefront game:

(https://starwarslivinghistory.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/reb_h2o.jpg?w=444&h=572)

Time stamp 0:28.

So, it's canon.  :P
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Second Son on May 05, 2022, 01:18 PM
A canteen is a canteen is a canteen, right vod?
Soldiers gotta drink. Slap a greeble on it and it's star wars.

I should get myself a water carrier too...
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on May 07, 2022, 12:06 AM
I've got the first mods done to my canteen, namely removing all of the molded in text and flash lines, and blending it all in as best I can with the tools I have.

(https://i.imgur.com/HhU8b9g.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZziFqwP.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HM4S5OE.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/G54v7ly.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/jGTzM2p.jpg)
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Second Son on May 07, 2022, 11:58 AM
An extremely spare, dry hit with som rub'n'buff might punch it up - the black with some silver highlights would look really great and look like metal showing through a worn coating.

The cap seems like it'll always feel  'earth' to me, but maybe a simple wrap in leather? Not sure exactly because it's an iconic form factor.
What do you think about switching up the pouch to black leather, and adding a long, thin pocket for a sci-fi tool on the side of the pouch (field sterilizer tool?). It might help break up the iconic look of the field canteen pouch and pull it more towards Swarzy.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on May 07, 2022, 12:36 PM
An extremely spare, dry hit with som rub'n'buff might punch it up - the black with some silver highlights would look really great and look like metal showing through a worn coating.

The cap seems like it'll always feel  'earth' to me, but maybe a simple wrap in leather? Not sure exactly because it's an iconic form factor.
What do you think about switching up the pouch to black leather, and adding a long, thin pocket for a sci-fi tool on the side of the pouch (field sterilizer tool?). It might help break up the iconic look of the field canteen pouch and pull it more towards Swarzy.

Leather doesn't fit in with the rest of my belt pouches, which are all nylon fabric military surplus. It already has a small pouch on the front (ostensibly for holding iodine tablets for water purification). I also need to void adding "wear" to my kit, especially "artificial" wear. Remember, my kit is a "clean" kit, so adding weathering isn't an option. I also have serious concerns about applying paint onto something I will be driving out of.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on May 10, 2022, 11:07 AM
I just ordered the new Durango Harness boots. Not sure how long it's going to take for shipping, but I'll let you know when they come in. Then, it's off to the shoe repair guys to replace the back strap. I'm also thinking of replacing all of the chromed steel hardware with brass, as that would be more consistent with the rest of the kit. I've also ordered some new brass buckles for all of my straps and belts. The gold paint is just not durable enough on those high wear parts for trooping and peels off to easily.
Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: Tramp Graphics on May 20, 2022, 08:24 PM
Got some more work done on my kit. I finally have my new boots. I still need to replace the back strap, but that'll have to wait until In can get the leather straps needed. The shoe repair guy doesn't have the right kind of leather.  >:(

On the plus side, I do have my new inner vambraces. to tighten up my sleeves, and I have a full set of new brass buckles on my cuirass, belts, and thigh strap.

(https://i.imgur.com/kiPKznx.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/e1belpn.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/rEkr6a5.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9aRiyXG.jpeg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Om1jF6J.jpeg)

Title: Re: Trampís Mando Kit WIP
Post by: D'shon Lorra on May 22, 2022, 02:23 PM
Those brass bits really pop.  :like: