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Brigades => Legends Brigade => Canon and Legends => Death Watch (OS) => Topic started by: Salvo Mereel on Sep 10, 2010, 05:34 PM

Title: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Salvo Mereel on Sep 10, 2010, 05:34 PM
Rally Deathwatch Mando's! There's still not enough of us here!
Title: Re: DeathWatch
Post by: Hondo Karr on Sep 10, 2010, 05:44 PM
Let's call this Open Season (Tor Vizsla) Death Watch and we'll start another for TCW Deathwatch.
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Salvo Mereel on Sep 10, 2010, 05:59 PM
Referemnce images:

(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100127050131/starwars/images/1/18/Vizsla.jpg)


(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090929150803/starwars/images/0/01/Vizsla-HotM.jpg)


(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100810050915/starwars/images/d/d6/Jangovsvizsla.jpg)


(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071013082955/starwars/images/7/72/Mandalorian_Death_Watch_%28Vizsla%29_symbol.png)

Link to the Wiki page: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tor_Vizsla (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tor_Vizsla)
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Hondo Karr on Sep 10, 2010, 06:01 PM
These are basically going to be Jango armor, black with that funny helmet lol.
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Slade Kel on Sep 10, 2010, 07:14 PM
Were all OS DW black-armored, though? I mean, I know they're pretty well standard mando armor, with the funny helmet and the Death Watch W-looking symbol, but otherwise, I thought they had the usual range of colors.
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Hondo Karr on Sep 10, 2010, 07:52 PM
I think you see some greenish and grayish hue's. Id have to pull up OS to double check. However, the Star Wars Insider articel on teh History of Mandalorians states that the DeathWatch under Tor Vizsla wore all black armor. Oh yeah and crushgaunts!
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Nickel on Sep 10, 2010, 08:02 PM
I have my copy of OS right here.  There are lots of blues, greens and grays.  Interpretation is really tough because many of the DW look no different than Jaster's gunmetal gray and Jango's bare metal.  The only one that is clearly "gloss black" is Tor Viszla himself. 
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Nico Fett on Sep 10, 2010, 10:45 PM
But we never see Tor's helmet, that means we dont know if he has a DW bucket or an actual mando helmet.
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Hondo Karr on Sep 10, 2010, 10:47 PM
The assumption would be he had that style helemt with unknown trim or markings for rank. Or, maybe he was just so pretty he always felt it best to show off his boyish good looks. LOL

Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Mafio on Sep 11, 2010, 08:13 AM

(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100127050131/starwars/images/1/18/Vizsla.jpg)




aint looking  so standard jango to me.

More like  a crude approach to Legacy. 
Even the Shoulders are more  like big Bells.  :o
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Mandalore the Uniter on Sep 11, 2010, 08:21 AM
His armor is drawn several different ways throughout the comic, because no artist can draw the same thing twice.  ;D

Realistically his armor is the same configuration as modern armor. 
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Mafio on Sep 11, 2010, 08:27 AM
besides  that  between  Jangos  orphanation "A new true Mando" ,   "deathwatch strikes back"   and  "the return of Jango" lie  several years.

So maybe   Tor's first appereance might be an old relict of the TOR-Era?  ;D
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Mandalore the Uniter on Sep 11, 2010, 08:35 AM
60bby was when the mando civil war started, so I doubt the armor changed.  If you look at all the comics, it usually takes a few centuries for mando armor to really change.
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Harro_Jorir'gal on Sep 11, 2010, 10:29 AM
One thing me and A'den noticed with the TM's is that in the first section they were gray and then in the later ones they were green. So that may be the case with the DW is Open Seasons.
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Salvo Mereel on Sep 11, 2010, 01:19 PM
Which "deathwatch helmet" are we talking about? Remember, posting reference always helps. And an Image of crush-gaunts. Thanks.
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Slade Kel on Sep 11, 2010, 01:26 PM
The OS Death Watch were the ones with the funky raised visor and the wings on the bucket, http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Watch (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Death_Watch) the ones in the Mandalorian Civil War, rather than the Clone Wars.
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Dar'manda on Sep 11, 2010, 02:16 PM
I had a big resource of links I had put aside for this for Ijaat's "DW" styled kit. Links to all the frames/pics showing the Death Watch in Open Season, and some assorted OS style DW helmet builds. I'll post those up when I find them again for you guys!
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Nico Fett on Sep 11, 2010, 04:49 PM
I posted a new thread with referance pics for both eras of kyr'stad
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: pinocchio on Sep 12, 2010, 09:38 AM
now what if your building a modern kit but giving it a Deathwatch style paintjob?
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Mafio on Sep 12, 2010, 10:41 AM
I-guess  with  no  old DW-Style helmet     and no  DW-symbol  you would  either be  a "true mandalorian"  or just a generic mandalorian Mercenary. 

With symbol  on, for example your shoulder, you would   be   a  Death-watch mando   like   Priest  or Reau       which could only be categorized  by  there  blue DW-symbol.
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Hondo Karr on Sep 12, 2010, 11:14 AM
The Deathwatch were originally formed as a splitter group from Jaster's True Mandalorians andhad the funky helmet. They were also said to have a penchant for crush gaunts.

The next group we see are the TCW DW which I think we all know pretty well how they look.

Finally, we know of a 3rd incarnation of the DW post TCW. Where Priest and Reau are seen with now a Blue DW "W" on their shoulder plates.

There are no other factions.

For the sake of brigades, I believe we need or could have an OS DW group a TCW DW group and due to the custom nature of the post CW DW, perhaps a DW influenced group which basically would just require the wearing a blue DW sigil. I think just about the whole Florida Clan fits in here! LMAO!
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: pinocchio on Sep 12, 2010, 12:46 PM
well A'den I am already into my third build enough that i really don't want to shift gears too much, doing a custom modern with deathwatch influenced colors and design, it''ll make my current kit look like a kids creation with whats in work, so if a blue DW symbol is the way to go VS and orange then there should not be a problem.
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Altis Beviin on Sep 13, 2010, 08:46 PM
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:Mandalorian_Crush_Gaunts.JPG
here is a link to crush gaunts
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: No'saj Huune on Sep 13, 2010, 09:52 PM
I've got plenty of pics on the True Mandalorians topic:

http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=30019.0

If you want just the Death Watch images I can gather them for y'all here as well.
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Nico Fett on Sep 13, 2010, 11:31 PM
If you want just the Death Watch images I can gather them for y'all here as well.

Be sure to post the in the reference pics thread in canon brigade
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Mandalore the Uniter on Sep 19, 2010, 11:08 AM
Technically, you could add Star Wars Galaxies DeathWatch armor to this list also. 


The Deathwatch were originally formed as a splitter group from Jaster's True Mandalorians andhad the funky helmet. They were also said to have a penchant for crush gaunts.

The next group we see are the TCW DW which I think we all know pretty well how they look.

Finally, we know of a 3rd incarnation of the DW post TCW. Where Priest and Reau are seen with now a Blue DW "W" on their shoulder plates.

There are no other factions.

For the sake of brigades, I believe we need or could have an OS DW group a TCW DW group and due to the custom nature of the post CW DW, perhaps a DW influenced group which basically would just require the wearing a blue DW sigil. I think just about the whole Florida Clan fits in here! LMAO!
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Rokeim Gekla on Apr 10, 2011, 10:25 AM
Well, as soon as my Kama gets here.  Looks like i'll be, kinda, fitting in with the Priest/Rau group of DW.  Shame that my DW symbol is going to be black... meh :(
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: DoseOrdo on May 04, 2011, 11:47 AM
Isnt it safe to say that Death Watch and True Mandalorian differ only by ideals and faction branding? some of Tor's gang had that funky helmet but I dont think that means all of them had to. Realisticly they probably wore the same gear pre civil war as they did after. I doubt they went shoping together when they parted ways for a new snazzy uniform. Costume wise i'd argue standard Mando with a DW brand is the difference. Things like the funky helmet would just be individual differences just like all factions of Mandalorians have.

just my 2 cents

oh and dont base colors off comics, artist will vary colors often to illustrate surroundings or lighting. One panel they are grey, next blue, and the next purple or black.... Unless its writen canon or obviously consistant I wouldnt focus on "Deathwatch colors", exception being the SWG deathwatch and thier title/rank based color scheme
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Hondo Karr on May 04, 2011, 12:14 PM
Colors I don't think are significant as Dose has pointed out. However, the Deathwatch has been portrayed in canon in a couple different ways...

The OS Deathwatch which are all depicted with their helmet design, darker colors and W markings.
The TCW Deathwatch which are allt he animated style and have a cookie cutter color and armor pattern.
The SWG Deathwatch which has a distinct armor style but also int he general Mandalorian armor for the game and not being one that has played I really can't say what differences beyond the armor there is
And finally the Deathwatch as portrayed in the RC books... which essentially fits right into our custom ideals of this club, anything goes, with the Deathwatch W.

For the Tor Vizsla Deathwatch, at least fro brigade membership not neccesarily club membership, the colors need to be consistant with the comic art and the helmet is a must.
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: stormtrooperguy on May 04, 2011, 02:19 PM
I've been thinking about doing Tor Vizsla at some point.

I like evolutions in my collection.

I've got a Holiday Special Boba, RotJ Boba, Jango, Pre Vizsla. A PrePro Boba is on the way.

Rex came about because of the connection to the PrePro Boba jaig eyes. That led to 7 clones in the house.

The idea of having a predecessor to Pre Vizsla seems pretty cool, and it's a funky looking helmet. I definitely wouldn't want to use any standard Fett style armor though... all custom.

Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Slade Kel on May 04, 2011, 06:35 PM
I'm with Falin there on the OS DW topic; from what I remember, with the exception of Tor and one of his minions (who wore no helmet at all) every one of them was depicted with the funky DW helmet. Historically, the vast majority of all splinter groups went out of their way to create a 'new' or modified uniform to set them apart from those they were splintering from or rebelling against. It certainly makes sense that they would have some uniform aspect to their appearance, this case obviously being the helmet.

As for the colors; whenever one of them is depicted in the foreground, in any kind of 'clear' lighting, they have very dark grey or black armor with green, yellow or blue trim. The only time you see other colors is when they're in the background, distant, and that's simply an artistic tool to make them visible, but not focused on. Other than black or grey, I would be willing to accept extremely dark colors, but they would have to be dark to the point of almost black anyway, like Charleston Green.

Brian; I would love to see someone make the OS DW helmet! If you could be persuaded to mold it, and I have the sneaking suspicion you would, I would absolutely be interested in buying one ^_^. 

Also, in regards to the armor; I feel that standard Fett is acceptable, but so too would a custom style plates based on the differences shown in Tor and other DW troops, mostly in the torso and shoulder plate areas. Sometimes they're shown near to standard in appearance, and other times completely different, so I'd call it almost anything that fits the mercs 'modern era' requirement, short of Legacy plates, as those come well after the times.
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Hondo Karr on Aug 02, 2011, 05:21 PM
A projected list for Open Season Deathwatch...

Here would be my recommendations. See whatyou all think...

1) Armor:
  Medium coverage
  matte black or matte green-black primary armor color
 

2) Blasters:
  Canon style, Era appropriate weapon (question say some used an E-11 or EE-3 as a base but customized it to their liking and carry preference but, it's still clearly based on that weapon. Would that be a go?)

3) Helmet:
  Open Seasons Deathwatch Style only
  Matte black or matte black-green in color
 Brow and mandibles MUST be gold, bronze or green only

4) Flightsuit:
dark grey or black Fett style flightsuit with dual sleeves.

5) Ammo belt:
Fett style, multi pouch ammo belt required. Colors optional
(would the famous Suzy's Surpplus pouches be an acceptable altenative? They have the same overall design and appearance when assembled. Not an exact match but close enough on a non face character to not be a kit killer in appearance)

6) Girth belt:
N/A

7) Boots:
Any laceless boots, must have boot armor

8. Jetpack:
Optional

9) Vest:
  Boba or Jango style
colors should be similar to the flightsuit.

10. Brigade sigil must be worn on either the right or left or both shoulder plates (clan sigil and brigade sigils may each be worn one on each shoudler plate. No other sigils, stripping or markings are allowed. If a member is the receipiant of the Ori'ramkad Award, it may be worn as appropriate on the armor.

11. gloves:
Black EU style crushgaunt gloves.

OSDW sigil:
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071013082955/starwars/images/thumb/7/72/Mandalorian_Death_Watch_%28Vizsla%29_symbol.png/200px-Mandalorian_Death_Watch_%28Vizsla%29_symbol.png)
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Nickel on Aug 03, 2011, 12:03 PM
Here are some of my additions/changes to what you already have. My remarks are in bold.

1) Armor:
  Medium coverage
black, dark green, midnight blue, Charcoal grey (one has blue shoulders with black chest)
 

2) Weapons:
  Canon style, Era appropriate blasters or beskad-style sword.


3) Helmet:
  Open Seasons Deathwatch Style only
must match main armor color
 Brow and mandibles MUST be gold, bronze, green (There is at least one blue/silver and possibly one "red")


4) Flightsuit:
dark grey or black flightsuit  (dual sleeves aren't clear)

5) Ammo belt:
Generic ammo belt -pouch number varies

6) Girth belt: (Optional)
 Some have a cloth girthbelt


7) Boots:
Any laceless boots, must have boot armor

8. Jetpack/ Cape:
Optional
Capes can be red, green or blue


9) Vest:
  Boba or Jango style
colors should be similar to the flightsuit.

10. Brigade sigil must be worn on either the right or left or both shoulder plates (clan sigil and brigade sigils may each be worn one on each shoudler plate. No other sigils, stripping or markings are allowed. If a member is the receipiant of the Ori'ramkad Award, it may be worn as appropriate on the armor.  (At least one DW has a sigil on the left chestplate with a yellow halo) Multiple versions of the sigil exist in the artwork.  Will variations in the sigil be allowed? (symmetry, damage placement, etc.)

11. gloves:
Black/dark brown crushgaunts or leather gloves

12.  Gauntlets:
one gauntlet required  ("sword guy" only has one gauntlet, the other arm is wrapped)
must be main armor color
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Slade Kel on Aug 04, 2011, 09:18 PM
I will certainly take all suggestions into consideration, although there are some that will not make the cut. I'm going to make the decision that the armor is meant to be black or dark grey. The only time it does not look either of those colors is when the character is in the background, which as I mentioned before is simply an artistic tool. The secondary colors (for shoulders, etcetera) are dark blue, green and yellow.

Beskads will be allowed, but not in lieu of a blaster of some sort. One can have both, or leave off the beskad. As for the gauntlets, both will be required, even though there's one guy with just one gauntlet. We also never see Vizsla wear a helmet, but that doesn't mean we'll allow someone to leave off the helmet.

Generic pouches will be allowed, as well as variation to the damage on the Death Watch sigil. It will be required on the shoulder, though. Again, even though one guy had it differently, the group as a whole adhered to a particular look. Crush-gaunt-style gloves will be required. Although there isn't clear view of them in the comic, every mention of them states that the DW wore crushies.

Hopefully it will be finished and posted up soonest.
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Darman_Skirata on Aug 27, 2011, 07:52 AM
Alrighty fellow Death Watchers :P

My OSDW bucket has arrived (and it's beautiful I may add) and I will be trimming, filling and sanding the bucket tonight, I'll post up before and after pics as soon as.

And so my Tor Viszla build has begun :)
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Slade Kel on Aug 27, 2011, 08:53 AM
Shiny ;D.
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Rokeim Gekla on Aug 27, 2011, 11:26 AM
w00t !
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Zedrin Ho'dag on Nov 22, 2011, 05:16 PM
OK, This is what I have in mind for my next build / Brigade build...

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070705033414/starwars/images/thumb/9/95/Deathwatch.JPG/168px-Deathwatch.JPG)

What colors would you say the flight suit / vest should be?   8)
Title: Re: O.S. DeathWatch (Tor Vizsla)
Post by: Hondo Karr on Nov 22, 2011, 06:57 PM
From that artwork, charcoal grey.