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Title: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Sep 23, 2011, 01:19 AM
Overall Status
Shoulders: Done
Chest: Done
Back: Done
Gaunts: Done
Legs: Done
Blaster: Done
Belt/Pouches: Done [partial upgrade already commissioned and in the mail, all remaining straps to be replaced in time]
Gloves: Done
Boots: Done
Helmet: Done
Abs: Done
Loin cloth: Done


What's left:
Flight Suit:   Black one active, decided the grey one is going to go through a full customization.  It will include integrated elbow and groin soft armour among a few other enhancements.
Neck Seal: I have a balaclava but want a loose-fitting helmet skirt


Thread Index

I really like that Seugtai and a couple others have an index on their WIP thread.  So at the risk of seeming pretentious, as this WIP is getting close on 10 pages long now, ((EDIT: almost three years and forty pages later: HAHAHAHAHAH ten pages.. I thought it was getting narcissistically long at ten?  How quaint. :P))  I thought I'd make it a bit easier for people new to my WIP to wade through all of my planing and thinking posts and get straight to the more interesting sections.  So I give you my thread index:


That out of the way, we now return you to your regularly scheduled thread:


I have been addicted to reading these boards for a week or two since I found them and, inspired by a few of your kits, I think I would like to try my hand at it.  I have already gotten tons of help from a couple of you over PM, and many thanks to them for putting up with me.

   I think a late crusader is along the lines of what I have in mind.  I am not very familiar with the source material, but I have read through the CRLs and perused the source images that have been posted in the respective child boards' threads.  I kinda have my heart set on a mask with an integrated breathing system, either based on a single canister style like the image below or something along the lines of [described for demonstration purposes only, not how it would actually be made] a 16oz CO2 canister running horizontally along one jaw. 

(http://i770.photobucket.com/albums/xx349/911STOREUSA/gas%20mask/gasmask3.jpg)

I have found a few pictures showing canister style rebreathers/scrubbers in the Early Crusader reference pics but not in the Late Crusader pics. Is there a reason why they would lead to disqualification if used in a LC bucket?  Alternatively, if I must, a centered canister formed and moulded into the mandibles/chin below the visor would work, but I rather like the asymmetric look if I may.


I am not much for sketching, but I will try to throw a few reference sketches together to show a few ideas that I have when I get time, and I look forward to input from those more well informed than I.


Cheers![/list]
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: seugtai on Sep 23, 2011, 06:28 AM
Personally, I'm not a fan of the rebreathers on helmets but, if I had to go with something I gotta say I really like the look of the asymmetrical one you have there in that picture. The Early and Late Crusaders kits were very customized so I would think it shouldn't be a problem, someone will correct me if I'm wrong tho. ;)
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Sep 23, 2011, 12:40 PM
See, that was what I kept hearing.  Crusader era kits were essentially hand-made one-off pieces and therefore unique and you have a lot of room to play.  That is a big part of the reason I like the idea of a crusader era kit.  Also, your fem-mando early crusader with a WIP thread that rivals some novels in length was a huge inspiration to get me to jump in on this.  Thanks for sharing.

I also agree that I typically like the slicker helms but there is a method to my madness.  I don't want to talk about it too much and raise expectations until I get a bit further in the production stages and decide if I can actually pull this off, but I have some background in electronics and if I can do what I have in mind, I'll need a little more room inside the helm than the average build.  I am leaning heavily towards using the cols casting technique that Talos Kot recently demonstrated.  Unfortunately aluminum powder is banned here, so I would either have t do it with one o the powders that are easily found which are copper, brass, bronze, or [much more expensive] nickel/silver or some blend of the above.   Talos mentioned that iron powder might be available and it might come out looking along the lines of a dark "gunmetal"  look so that is my current red herring.  If I can track some down I'll give it a try and see what's what.  I have to admit, the bronze sounds interesting too, I may have to do some bronze greebles just got the heck of it.  Or make a steampunk Mandalorian  :P

[EDIT] squashed a couple typos [/EDIT]
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Sep 24, 2011, 06:48 AM
Looking through the brigades pages and I know it isn't required, but I figured an idea of his particular purpose would help decide on designs.  That said, I think I'm aiming for [or at least keeping in mind] the Mobile Engineers, specifically a Communications specialist I'm thinking. 

Some points that I am pondering at the moment:


Name:
      Always my hardest part when making a character.  I'm horrible at coming up with names.  That said, my current line of thought is to slightly modify the name of an ancestor of mine and go with Zophar Hawkins, or some variant thereof if that is not swarzy enough.  I'm not too big on the canon outside what has been on the big screen so some help Mandalorianizing the name would be appreciated.

Loadout:
    I am thinking lightly armed; perhaps a matched pair of light blaster pistols in thigh rides, a melee weapon [or five] plus some electronics/communications tools

Helm:
    I am thinking late crusader era which I understand gives me quite a bit of leeway with the helm design.  I am thinking of incorporating an asymmetric canister design as mentioned above and an integrated helmet light.  No RF for me.  There is a pic in the early crusader reference image boards of a Mando riding some green beastie.  This Mando has breathing canisters integrated into a helmet which is very clearly based on a samurai's kabuto style helmet.  This goes rather well with some of the ideas that I have rolling around in my head, so I may design the bucket on the concept of making a sleeker kabuto deisgn.  Also toying with the idea of a horsehair braid or ribbon or something hanging loose from the top rear of the helmet if that is acceptable under late crusader CRLs.  I've noticed it in some early crusader images and one kit i particular but not sure it it follows into later era.

Plates:
      I'd love to do a single-piece chest plate with separate kidney plates, two or three separated gut plates and a hard cod.  The initial concept was for an articulated armadillo down the spine and a cape off one shoulder but if I go with the comm pack mentioned below, I'll have to rework that idea.  I was thinking that I like the look/idea of a single high shoulder/back-of-the-neck piece to keep his head from getting whipped around, similar to a modern [American-]football lineman might wear but that strikes me more as a heavy fighter kind of thing than a comm guy so I'm not sure where I stand on that now.  Also, a friend mentioned that it was a very Space Marine concept and I can't get that out of my head now.

Limbs:
      Left gaunt will be a comm system with a display.  I have high hopes for this part of the kit in particular.  Right gaunt I haven't decided; perhaps a bunch of circuit-board and electronic greebles to go with the comm motif, or a very small weapon like a dart gun I guess... maybe.  Lower body armour not required for this era, but I am thinking a simple shins/knee one-piece which hinges onto spats perhaps.  Who knows, maybe once I get in the swing of things I'll add some thigh pieces, or perhaps integrate the thigh holsters into plates rather than strapping them on directly over the flight suit.  We'll see.

Soft goods:
      A thigh-ride on each side for a light pistol, as he is a light fighter at best I am liking the option for a sash rather than the ubiquitous ammo-out-the-shebs belt.  Maybe a waist sash and a part-ammo-part-tools-bandolier.  I don't know if they are legit in-universe items but I have a very nice leather day sporran I'd love to work into the kit in some way.  If I give up the cape I may go with a kama attached to the ankles as I have seen in a couple threads on here.

Jetpack:
     NONE!  I'll be joining MAJIC as soon as they'll have me :P

Back:
      I was planning to forgo the backpack in favour of a cape over one shoulder [gladiator style] with an articulated armadillo but with the comm specialist motif in mind, I may leave the cape/'dillo for a future build and go with a comm-pack based off vietnam-era GI radio packs but far slimmer and more swarzy, maybe basing the pack off a modern motorcycle hardshell backpack like the [Megalopolis Executive] (http://www.ebags.com/product/boblbee/megalopolis-executive-hardshell-backpack/17905) but of my own fabrication; naturally I'm not paying that much for a pack to cut up.

(http://a1472.g.akamaitech.net/f/1472/124/36h/img.ebags.com/is/image/im5/17905_2_1?resmode=4&op_usm=1,1,1,&qlt=95,1&hei=280&wid=280)



So [if anyone is still reading this] naturally any and all suggestions are not only welcome, they would be greatly appreciated.  I like to have a basic idea of what the goal is before I start really getting into the visual design of things, but so many great sources if inspiration on here have left me with tons of ideas floating about.  You know, a lotta ins, lotta outs, lotta what-have-you's. And, uh, lotta strands to keep in my head, man. Lotta strands in old Duder's head.  ;D
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Adenn on Sep 24, 2011, 07:51 AM
Have you gone to your local hardware store and checked out the respirators in the paint section? I've seen some rather inexpensive ones you could pick up to play with once you get your buy'ce and then make your decision. I can see a lot of practical applications to having something like a respirator... more room for fans. Just take small steps and you'll get there with what you want the first time out.
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Sep 24, 2011, 01:18 PM
Have you gone to your local hardware store and checked out the respirators in the paint section? I've seen some rather inexpensive ones you could pick up to play with once you get your buy'ce and then make your decision. I can see a lot of practical applications to having something like a respirator... more room for fans. Just take small steps and you'll get there with what you want the first time out.

Indeed, that was the plan :-D
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Kel Toi on Sep 24, 2011, 05:52 PM
No offence, but most would like to see even a rough sketch of what your concept is about rather than a wall of text. You will get more help that way mate  ;)
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Sep 24, 2011, 05:56 PM
No offence, but most would like to see even a rough sketch of what your concept is about rather than a wall of text. You will get more help that way mate  ;)

I know, I completely understand.  I'm working on sketches but I can't draw for osik so I was hoping I might work through it "out loud."  I'll have something up in the near future.
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Kel Toi on Sep 24, 2011, 06:30 PM
I cant draw either bud LOL but even a rough sketch or pics of each piece you find. Or as near as can help. Good luck on the build ner'vod ;)
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Arashi on Sep 24, 2011, 06:51 PM
I've seen some rough sketches here that are little more than stick figures and outlines, anything will help.
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Sep 24, 2011, 08:33 PM
Alright, I am admitting defeat on the rough sketching and cheating.  I went online and procured some blank face and body sketches, printed them out at 25% opacity and I'm sketching over them.. it is far easier to lay the helmet and plates out when you have a body/face in proper proportion to work with.

I have also discovered that, while I had hoped to do a TT style visor, every time I start to draw it out I snicker and have an insatiable desire to listen to KISS.
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Sep 25, 2011, 07:14 AM
Alright ori'vode.  A rough initial concept sketch of my Mk 0.001 late-era crusader buy'ce.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/mandomk001-small.png)
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Kel Toi on Sep 25, 2011, 07:28 AM
Nice, very original. See ye can draw, alot better than me at any rate  ;)
Title: Initial design sketches
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Sep 25, 2011, 07:39 AM
Thanks Kel.

A few other concepts I tossed around.  I'm not dead set on the previous sketches yet and I may still incorporate the brow/ridge from the first sketch into this one perhaps.   Do you suspect I might have a problem with the visor shaped like it is in the previous iso sketches?  Tomorrow I'll start scratching out a couple of other buy-ce concepts and see what comes of it.  You always see things a different way when you step away for a bit [or get some sleep...] and come back to it.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/helmetassortment.jpg)

As for being able to draw, it got a LOT easier once I thought about it a bit and took someone else's heads to draw the buy'ce over to help with the scale and perspective.
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Kel Toi on Sep 25, 2011, 11:21 AM
Cool, but i would stick to as close to a T as possible. Like the pic above on the left.
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: seugtai on Sep 25, 2011, 02:05 PM
I actually like the second from the left. Personally I'd also add the smaller part from the previously posted mask on the other cheek but, that's just me. I say if your gonna go with a Late Crusader go with one of the modified visors that belongs to that era. I know most here are "T" and only "T" kinda people but, that's what's fun about this era-the customization. (No offense Kel ;))
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Kel Toi on Sep 25, 2011, 02:28 PM
Non taken  ;) I quite like the David Bowie one  ;D
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Sep 25, 2011, 04:33 PM
Personally I'd also add the smaller part from the previously posted mask on the other cheek but, that's just me.

Sorry, not sure I follow.  You think I should swap the canister bit on the design with the pair of "fangs" over to the right cheek instead of the left?  Once I have a mockup I'll check that out.  One thought about that was that if I do ever decide to give him a rifle, having the canister sticking out of his right cheek could make that a bit difficult.  I think once I have a few more ideas sketched out I'm going to do a paper-and-cereal-box mockup to get a better idea of what the look and contours will be; I will tinker with exact canister placement and all at that point.  Once that is done I will have a nice full-scale working model to build from.

I say if your gonna go with a Late Crusader go with one of the modified visors that belongs to that era. I know most here are "T" and only "T" kinda people but, that's what's fun about this era-the customization. (No offense Kel ;))

You would say that.. the only completed early crusader, aren't you?  The Queen of Unique. :P  That was more or less my thought too... every other era has a T visor, this is the one chance to really do something different with it.  I definitely want to explore the TT more.  Maybe I'll sketch up an idea using that visor with the "fangs" style face plate of the originally posted sketch this afternoon.  My first few were TTs and came out like David Bowie above, I think I just needed to get into the feel of the lines and I'll go back to working on that after I get a couple more ideas down.

Non taken  ;) I quite like the David Bowie one  ;D

 ;D :P   It may actually work for an early era one carved from bone  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: seugtai on Sep 25, 2011, 06:39 PM
Sorry, not sure I follow.

This is what I was trying to explain. It just seemed a little visually heavy with only the one filter, which is rather large. I like the asymmetrical look, I just think it needed some balance.

(http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee452/delviangirl/lateedit.jpg)

the only completed early crusader, aren't you? 

Not completed, not approved, and not official...yet. ;)
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Sep 25, 2011, 06:50 PM
Ahhh.  Gotcha.   I had thought about that too.  I was debating between that or leaving it polished and clean.  I was tossing around the idea that leaving it clean on one side almost implies that the canister was a later modification to the helm and deciding it I liked that or not.  On the practical side, there really should be an exhaust vent since the canister generally works as in intake vent and presumably the helmets are sealed otherwise a filter canister is somewhat pointless. 

Also, I was planning to avoid the ubiquitous hoses running everywhere but is I am going with a comm pack maybe there should be a hose through which he would run cables and such?  Or do we assume/know that something akin to bluetooth exitsts in-universe to allow the comm system in his helmet to connect to the kit in his pack?
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Sep 25, 2011, 06:58 PM
Double post..

Not completed, not approved, and not official...yet. ;)


Ah, not yet.  Sorry :P


Another thought, that helm was the only one I posted which didn't have an integrated head lamp and all oft he others had the lamp at top dead center.  What is perhaps I "counter-balanced" the canister with a light source?  I'm on my way out for a bit, but I'll sketch that idea out later perhaps.  As for size, I'm thinking the canister is roughly tuna-can-sized.  I'll have to play with the full-scale model when it's done and play with that though, that might end up being HUGE in perspective.
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Sep 25, 2011, 11:10 PM
another thought, I was planning to avoid hoses, but one running to the helmet could conceal a hose running from a cameblack hidden in the communications backpack...
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Sep 26, 2011, 11:21 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/varioushelmets-small.png)

Alright, I did a few more TT sketches but I can't help thinking they either look like some wrestler or a super-villain.  Helmet C is the one I posted the turn-about for above and I am rather liking the way [A], [C] and [E] come down in the front for the "fangs".  I haven't given up on the canster, I just got tired of trying to draw them in every sketch.  Seugtai commented that she liked helmet (B) so I tinkered with it a bit more and came up with [F], which I think I like the shape of more.  I picture [F] as being similar in shape to an ATV helmet from the side but haven't had time to sketch it out from that view yet.  I'm afraid it may not come far enough down the neck if I do it like that.  Perhaps an ATV/motocross style helmet that is high in the back with specially-designed segmented neck armour in the back might do it?

As of right now, I think I am bouncing back and forth between [C] and [F].

As always, comments and suggestions are appreciated. 
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Mav Nexu on Sep 27, 2011, 09:52 AM
My lack of crusader knowledge not withstanding, based off what you told me in PM and this thread, you've got a really solid idea here. It's a hell of a daunting task, creating a crusader, but once you're approved you'll be one of the few who've actually done it. (we're all waiting on seugtai to be the first)

As for your helmet design, I like A the best but if you're leaning towards C or F more my opinion is bring the dome of A and put it on C. F does look a little too streamlined to be a crusader.

Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Sep 27, 2011, 03:22 PM
My lack of crusader knowledge not withstanding, based off what you told me in PM and this thread, you've got a really solid idea here. It's a hell of a daunting task, creating a crusader, but once you're approved you'll be one of the few who've actually done it. (we're all waiting on seugtai to be the first)

Yes, the seugtai armour is incredible.  She is early crusader, I'm going for a late crusader.  Not so "primative" looking but still before the kits were more or less standardized.

Quote
As for your helmet design, I like A the best but if you're leaning towards C or F more my opinion is bring the dome of A and put it on C. F does look a little too streamlined to be a crusader.

That can certainly be arranged.  Or perhaps a combination of the two.  Take the mohawk from [C] and the brow ridges from [A].  I am debating the hoses.  If I run hose(s), I can use one to hide a camelback hose from the "communications" backpack, and a friend last night suggested that I could use the other for airflow.  If I put a fairly high CFM fan in the pack and funnel it directly into the hose, I might get a decent airflow without having the noise of the fan in the helm itself.  Maybe for the time being I will leave it smooth but plan a spot to add a hose nipple or two at a later time.

[edit] cleaned up errant tag [/edit]
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Mav Nexu on Sep 27, 2011, 05:01 PM
something like this?

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u178/shadows5205/latecrusaderhelm.jpg)
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Sep 27, 2011, 05:54 PM
Mav - I wouldn't have thought of that... that has potential.   I've got my wife's bike helmet and a stack of cardboard and scarp paper, I'm going to throw a quick model together.  I should have it posted in a bit.
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Sep 27, 2011, 07:50 PM
Paper model thrown together using my wife's helmet .  What?  Polka dots aren't in-universe?  I know the visor isn't quite straight and I'll thin out the horizontal part of the visor opening.  the opening in the front of the mohawk will be sealed with a head lamp in it.  leave the back of the hawk open a smidge to be a vent.  sides of the 'hawk will sweep in rather than vertical like this, and work "eyebrows" into the hawk.  also the back curl naturally didn't stay put in printer paper.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/Model1-03.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/Model1-02.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/Model1-03.jpg)
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Mav Nexu on Sep 27, 2011, 08:24 PM
I think you need to widen out the mandables a bit more and keep that angle that they have about halfway down but you're off to a good start!!
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Sep 27, 2011, 10:08 PM
hahahahaha my wife just came home and saw her helmet on my desk,   "Wow, cool!  Is my bike helmet going to e a space helmet for me now?"   LOL


I may have to make her a mando slip-on shell to go over her helmet for riding her bike around or something :P
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Sep 28, 2011, 01:41 AM
Some updates:  Doubled the space between the mandibles, cut down the horizontal bit of of the visor, lengthened the mandibles and added a little beefiness to them, and reshaped the curved bit of visor a little..  The visor ends about the tip of my chin as it sits now.  Extended the 'hawk forward and added the brows which decreased the size of the opening for the head lamp.  I think it is looking about right...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/Model1-03-1.png)
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Sep 30, 2011, 04:07 AM
If I made a kit using primarily bronze, would that look particularly odd?  I'm afraid it would be too steampunk or something if I go with a suit of primarily bronze and leather.
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Kel Toi on Sep 30, 2011, 04:09 AM
Up to you which colours you use mate, I think it would look cool  ;)
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Oct 01, 2011, 02:09 PM
Hey Kel, I like the little profile makeover you have going :-P 

Very minor update, I've been scrounging the local thrift shops looking for a used full-back bike helmet to use as a base to play with without destroying my wife's brand new one but apparently they don't accept/sell them out of fear of being sued f it was faulty. I'll hit craig's list and give it a week or so, then give in and buy a new one at wally world.

Job interview today, wish me luck :-P
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Kel Toi on Oct 01, 2011, 02:21 PM
All this health and safety nonsense makes me want tae spew ! LOL Good luck wi the helmet and the Job interview ner'vod  ;)
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Oct 01, 2011, 02:35 PM
Tell me about it.  Heck, hang a big sign that says "Used helmets are obviously used and were donated for free so clearly there is some reason the previous owner didn't want them.  If you get hurt, it's on your head." *snicker*  can't resist a good pun.  Nor a bad pun, come to think of it. :P

I may just try to use the old-shirt-and-duct-tape method of body casting to make a cast of her helm, then I can go from there perhaps.  It just seems silly to waste $60 for something I only need as a template, but we'll see. The end results I plan on cold casting using the Talos Kot method so if I use the bike helmet as the base on the plug it should have plenty of room inside for padding and electronics. We'll have to see what comes of it.
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
Post by: Kel Toi on Oct 01, 2011, 02:56 PM
Double Good luck mate  ;)
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning [formerly miststlkr]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Oct 02, 2011, 05:31 AM
Can't sleep so I threw this together quick.  I'm still sketching out the armor on paper, this is just a modified mandomaker screencap with the basics of the design in mind to show the paint scheme I am currently mulling over. 

Armor is bronze over black soft bits; light gray or silver loin cloth/oil rag; leather pouches, mainly for tools but a few sized for ammo; comm backpack instead of a jetpack.

Armor highlights:  single piece chest; single piece combined knee/shin either with a hinged/pinned connection to the boot plate or a separate "steel toe" plate;  single piece collar/shoulders; thigh plates will incorporate built-in hard blaster holsters; left gauntlet kitted out for electronics, right one very plain.

 I am thinking I want fingerless gloves, if that is permitted, and I am debating some ear-height pauldrons to protect the exposed neck sides, but I'm thinking as a wrench monkey it may be more important to be able to move the head about than worry about an axe to the neck; maybe I'll save the high pauldrons for the next [heavy weapons] kit, it seems a bit more fitting.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/paintscheme-sash.png)


As always, please help. :D
Title: Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning [formerly miststlkr]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Oct 04, 2011, 03:40 AM
I will have a first sketch of the armour up either tonight or tomorrow.  One thing I am trying to sort out is weapon load.  I am/was picturing a pair of medium blasters in thigh holsters and a beskad.  A comm pack on his back and a pair of thigh rides for the blasters kinda rules out my immediate ideas of where to carry the beskad.  Suggestions?  Between the back and the pack is an option I suppose, but that would be rather awkward from a practical point of view.  On a belt like a traditional long sword would cause issues with the holster on the thigh.  

[edit]

  A thought.  Right thigh holster, left hip beskad, second pistol either right shoulder holster  and reach across the chest [armour design willing] or left side on the back of the belt with the grip up and drawn by reaching around your back.  The second choice sounds a little better and more easily done with the single-piece chest armour I have in mind.  Better/other ideas, please share...

[/edit]
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [full kit sketch p3 finally]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Oct 04, 2011, 05:47 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/armourmk1-small.jpg)

So not exactly symmetrically drawn, but the idea stands.. shoulders not quite as high as drawn, naturally the shin plate doesn't actually fasten above the knee as drawn, but the plate's front will extend over it like kneepads.  Trying to sort the weapon kit out, current thought is a beskad in a scabbard off the left hip, medium blaster on the right thigh and a medium blaster horizontally on the left side back of the belt.

Single piece chest, two overlapping segmented gut plates.

Add comm backpack and that is more or less what I have in mind at the moment.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [full kit sketch p3 finally]
Post by: Slade Kel on Oct 04, 2011, 07:46 AM
I don't believe fingerless gloves are allowed with late-era Crusaders; goes with the requirements for a 'sealed flight suit' appearance. The second design on this page is much better, scrolling through, I was going to say that the chest and ab plates of the first one were too modern era, even with the chest being one piece. This other one looks good though, assuming I'm getting the delineation between armor and soft parts right on the torso. You might want to toss up a colored version to make the difference clearer.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [full kit sketch p3 finally]
Post by: Hagen Nor'ak on Oct 04, 2011, 09:59 AM
I have to say the rebreather on the side of your helmet worries me for two reasons. If you install an actual one used in the modern US military gasmasks you're going to have to counter the weight of it by gluing fishing weights or something of that nature to the other side to balance it out. Even with proper padding that side of the helmet is going to be sagging compared to the rest of the helmet.
The second issue I see is with your raised armored collar, I don't think the rebeather is going to let you turn your head with out it causing damage to the armor.

So I'd recommend trying to fabricate something that looks similar out of plastic ( as I don't believe a resin copy would be much different weight wise) and then you'll have to play with the armored collar or the placement of the rebreather so those two don't conflict with each other.

Have a good one,
Hagen
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [full kit sketch p3 finally]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Oct 04, 2011, 03:28 PM
I don't believe fingerless gloves are allowed with late-era Crusaders; goes with the requirements for a 'sealed flight suit' appearance.

Quite right, I had forgotten that bit.  Thanks.

The second design on this page is much better, scrolling through, I was going to say that the chest and ab plates of the first one were too modern era, even with the chest being one piece. This other one looks good though, assuming I'm getting the delineation between armor and soft parts right on the torso. You might want to toss up a colored version to make the difference clearer.

The first one was just a namdomaker that I colored in and modified slightly, the color scheme is what I was tinkering with there.  I'll color this one in tonight and see what I can come up with, it ended up more complex than I had initially planned so a simple sash paint job likely won't work.  I'll either clean up the fake abs or come up with another scheme.

Thanks for your feedback :D


I have to say the rebreather on the side of your helmet worries me for two reasons. If you install an actual one used in the modern US military gasmasks you're going to have to counter the weight of it by gluing fishing weights or something of that nature to the other side to balance it out. Even with proper padding that side of the helmet is going to be sagging compared to the rest of the helmet.

The entire thing is going to be cold cast, so the canister itself will be hollow.  Much easier to counterbalance.

The second issue I see is with your raised armored collar, I don't think the rebeather is going to let you turn your head with out it causing damage to the armor.

That, however, is a valid point that I saw when I popped the helmet over the armour sketch.  As much as I liked the idea, it may be time to drop it.  I'll just have to wait until I throw it all together and see how frustrating it really is in person.   I was hoping to avoid the ubiquitous hoses and came up with something more unique.  I may just leave off the collar and give him an exposed neck.  That collar would make it a pain to do any work in too so it's rather out of character....

Ah well... plenty of time to mull it over and modify it.   Thanks for the suggestions :-D
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [full kit sketch p3 finally]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Oct 04, 2011, 07:03 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/armourmk1-bronzed.png)

delineating armour from flightsuit 
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [colored sketch p3]
Post by: Ajax Kaal on Oct 04, 2011, 11:07 PM
I like your color choices and you could always stick the filter housing, which is what you are refering to on the back of the helmet...it doesn't have to be on the side. In theory/sci-fi land the helmet is sealed so it doesn't matter where the filter housing is located.

I like the idea of the blasert in thigh holster and small of the back and beskad on the hip. If you are going to have a long beskad, then a hip is a good place for it. If it is more of a fighting knife you can put them anywhere, especially in the small of the back. When I was doing my foam weapon fighting I used a flail and shield and had a knife/dagger horizontally on the small of the back. When the flail got tangled up, I would drop it, thus encumbering their weapon, and then pull the dagger and lunge for a stab at the same time. The look of sheer surprise is still priceless to this day.

Another way to do the side shoulder/neck protection is to build them onto the shoulder plate itself with an outward bend so when you raise your arm they don't hit you, kind of a like a Roman gladiator shoulder shield of sorts.

You could also use a chainmaile helmet "skirt" of sorts that attaches to teh bottom of the rim of the helmet to add in that layer of protection you are wanting. It is also flexible and moves with you as well.

Just some ideas...
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [colored sketch p3]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Oct 05, 2011, 12:44 PM
Ajax - Thanks for the comments and suggestions :D

I like the creative solution of placing the filter housing in the back and understand that in a sealed suit it wouldn't matter, but would the general population see it that way?  Maybe I'm underestimating the fans, but half the fun is making something they can appreciate and enjoy.  I think if I did it in the back I would have to maybe over-exaggerate it to make sure someone looking at it the first time would recognize it and not wonder why my helmet had a wart.  At that point, I may as well just go with the stereotype and run a hose to my pack.  I'm not shooting the idea down, just trying to discuss it.  if you think otherwise, by all means say so.  I love the idea personally and it would be both very unique and realistic.  I'm just not sure it works on a costume.

As for weapons load, I've mulled it over and discussed it with a friend or three and I think I'll go with the setup you seemed to like.  Blaster right thigh, long beskad left hip, blaster left back, various tools in assorted places.  There was also a suggestion to convert a bandoleer into a tool "belt" which I am pondering.

Regarding the helmet skirt, I had thought to do one that went from the helm's inner rim to the chest's neck line, essentially replace a skin-tight balaclava with a leather one that would drape a bit but I think I have decided against it at this point.  Using maille hadn't occurred to me.  I saw a pic when I was first getting ideas that showed what appeared to be a mando with a chainmaille cape which looked interesting and oddly incongruous at the same time.  Would chain [gorget?] hanging from the helmet to the chest plate [worn over a black balaclava] be in-universe?

Which brings us back to armour design.  I've been looking a that sketch for a couple days now and it is just too damned busy.  Went back to the drawing pad last night and I'll have something else up soon.  Keeping his support role more firmly in mind this time, I am dropping the collar in favor of better vision and flexibility and the plates will be less sculpted.  Still going with the full chest with two articulated gut plates and same overall combination of plates, but reworking the chest design.  Also found a huge box of colored pencils so it won't be scanned and flood-filled to lose all detail this time :-P
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [colored sketch p3]
Post by: Ajax Kaal on Oct 05, 2011, 07:22 PM
I agree that the housing on the back would need to be somewhat sized to look like a filter housing and not something small. I also like the idea of using one on the side of the face in the normal position, I just like to think more outside of the box as we can, to make the look really unique. Either way it will work for you, but esthetically speaking, you will have to make that final call of just where it looks best.

I know that one of the Mando's here in the midwest got his kit approved using a chainmaile coife that he wears to cover his neck with the helmet on so it is accepted. It doesn't have to attach to the helmet, it could just be a coife or such or even you could make a neck tube and sew metal links or chainmaile to it, having the neck tube reinforced on the inside to make sure it doesn't collapse under the weight will have to be done though. There are many different ways to possibly protect your neck from damage.

That's the fun part of this process, design, design, design. When it's right it will just seem right to ya, remember to have fun with it.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [colored sketch p3]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Oct 06, 2011, 02:04 AM
A new design on the armour.   I'm liking this a lot more.  The original design looked too sculpted and too "fantasy plate" for my mando taste.  Still sporting single piece chest and dual segmented gut plate.  Dropped the collar.  Black bits are flightsuit to help delineate plates. The baton-looking-thing in the left hand is a beskad sheathed on a separate [the low-hanging] belt

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/armourmk2-small.png)


So.. comments?


Also, 520 views?  Wow.  Someone fall asleep on their F5 key? :D

[edit]
Too "Rainbow Connection"?  I'm liking it.  Subtle-ish.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/chestcloseup.png)
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Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [complete redesign sketch p4]
Post by: seugtai on Oct 06, 2011, 05:16 AM
I like the new design alot more than the previous one. I think you dropped and added just the right stuff this time, I believe you have a winner!  ;D Now let's see that made!
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [complete redesign sketch p4]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Oct 06, 2011, 06:53 AM
I like the new design alot more than the previous one. I think you dropped and added just the right stuff this time, I believe you have a winner!  ;D Now let's see that made!

Thanks, I'm liking it a lot more than the first design as well.  It is going to be a while getting this together.  You always hear "Fast, Cheap, Good: Pick two"... to which I always like to add the DIY Corollary:  "You can have either time or money, rarely both."   Since "cheap" is chosen for me, and I'll take good over fast any day, that narrows down my options. :-P   I'll start out a model using cardboard perhaps but I want to final kit to be done in Talos Kot's casting technique so it will take some work and a decent bit of money.  Also, as I don't have a seamstress' dummy, I'll likely be making one so I can form the kit's bits to fit my bits. [yeah, I went back and reworded that just for the alliteration... I'm a dork :eyeroll:]  So I have a good bit of prep work before I can start in on the real deal... plus it's my first build so of course there will be hitches along the way.  

Looking forward to the adventure though :-D


[edit]  What do you think about basing the pair of blasters off of the 434 DeathHammer?
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080409150546/starwars/images/7/72/434_blaster_pistol.jpg)
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Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [complete redesign sketch p4]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Oct 07, 2011, 10:35 PM
Just showed the pics to a friend and noticed I've been putting the wrong dome on the full-body sketches.  I didn't mean to ignore the advice and conversations earlier about which to use... I just copy/pasted the helm from the wrong file.  oops :P   I'm heading out of town for the weekend but I'll get those changed up when I get back early next week.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [complete redesign sketch p4]
Post by: Kel Toi on Oct 08, 2011, 03:08 AM
Looks great, blaster looks good too  ;D
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [complete redesign sketch p4]
Post by: Bubba D. Fett on Oct 10, 2011, 05:13 PM
Dude, I so want to see this kit in person when its finished, great design!
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [complete redesign sketch p4]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Oct 10, 2011, 05:22 PM
Dude, I so want to see this kit in person when its finished, great design!

You will, ner'vod.  I'm disappointed that I didn't catch you at GGC, but to be honest, had a blast with some good friends who came up from Tacoma/Ft Lewis that I haven't seen in far too long... so not really ALLL that disappointed, if you know what I mean :P  I'll do my best to catch you at the next troop you folks do down that way.  Kit won't be anywhere near done by then, but I'd love to meet up anyway and put faces to buy'ce.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [complete redesign sketch p4]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Oct 13, 2011, 05:43 AM
An un-update; I've been busy and tired, started a new job this week and the schedule change is beating me up a bit.  I'll hopefully start prelim fabrication stages early November, after I get some pay coming in and after I get back from my vacation.  Nothing to do right now except sketch out a few other ideas, get that helmet sketched out correctly and possibly make a cardstock helmet mockup, depending on how much time and energy the new job leaves me with in the next week or two.  Not to worry, I'm not going anywhere.  You can't get rid of me that easily :D
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [complete redesign sketch p4]
Post by: beccamay on Oct 18, 2011, 08:31 PM
I really like your design ! Cant wait to see it come together !!
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [complete redesign sketch p4]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Oct 21, 2011, 04:19 AM
Found the perfect dome to work my helmet with at a halloween costume shop.  I get paid tomorrow and I'm going down to pick up a couple so I have spares.  It is a military flack helmet style moulded out of what appears to be 1/8" abs or something thereabout.  A slight orange-peel texture on the outside surface should be easy enough to sand off, as well as a very slight lip on the front edge. 
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [complete redesign sketch p4]
Post by: Ajax Kaal on Oct 21, 2011, 05:24 PM
Gots to love Halloween time, always a good time to find stuff. Here's hoping it works out well for ya.

Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [complete redesign sketch p4]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Oct 23, 2011, 06:12 PM
Found a pair of broomhandle airsofts on ebay as seperate lots but from the same seller.  One expired in 5 minutes and the other in 30 minutes, neither had any bids.  Threw in a bid of $5 on each, figured what the heck.  I'll surely get sniped, but a of right now, with under 1 minute left on the first one, I am lead bidder for $0.06 LOL

Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [complete redesign sketch p4]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Oct 25, 2011, 07:28 AM
So I am sitting here in my computer chair polishing my bucket [if you know what I mean] getting rid of the orange-peel on what is to be the base of the dome.  120 grit sandpaper and #0000 steel wool seems to be doing the trick nicely but it is building up static pretty nicely.  Any suggestions on how to release the static buildup?
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [complete redesign sketch p4]
Post by: Ajax Kaal on Oct 25, 2011, 11:39 AM
Umm, well the nearest (insert object here - such as cat, dog, annoying sibling, etc)...??

I guess you could use an anti-static wrist wrap like those used for compter parts assembly...??

A very light misting spray of water or alcohol, which will also help keep the dust down a little as well??

Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [complete redesign sketch p4]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Oct 25, 2011, 03:56 PM
Ah sorry, not static as in I get a shock, static cling.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [complete redesign sketch p4]
Post by: Ajax Kaal on Oct 25, 2011, 07:23 PM
LOL, well they used to make that spray for women's dresses...? But I still think that a light misting of water, might help.

:-) 
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [complete redesign sketch p4]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Nov 06, 2011, 06:04 PM
Another non-update.  Back from vacation and back to sanding.  Yay.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [complete redesign sketch p4]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Nov 11, 2011, 01:39 AM
look what the easter bunny brought me today!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/Outofbox-set.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/outofbox-each.jpg)


total of four spring-action airsofts; three broomhandles and a "TEC-9 shotgun" whatever that is.  I liked the look and thought I could play with it.   The broomhandles are all short-barrel with barrel extenders, some are shown with and without the extenders to see what they look like both ways.   So apparently I'll be playing with some DL-44s and a mystery blaster in the near future.  Going to hit the thrift shops this coming week to start greebing them up.  The DL-44s each came with both long and short mags, the "tec-9" came only with one long one.

[edit]  Just realized I never posted a "before" of my helmet dome.  I've gotten it sanded almost smoothe and picked up some filler primer tonight to hit it with a coat over the weekend, see where that leaves me.  pic of the current sanded and unpainted state to come shortly. [/edit]
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bits coming in to start work, p5]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Nov 11, 2011, 02:01 AM
[some short time later....]

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/sandedonce.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/sandedfine.jpg)

So it was a plastic "army helmet" from a costume shop, the olive coloring is apparently throughout the plastic.  I've sanded off the orange-peel texture and this weekend I'll hit it with a coat or two of filler primer and knock that down to see where that leaves me.  The brim in the front may either get ground/filed off, or I may wear it backwards and fill the lip instead as shown in this next pic, then build the face and sides up/out from there... opinions?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/gangsta.jpg)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bits coming in to start work, p5]
Post by: Hondo Karr on Nov 11, 2011, 12:03 PM
Something I would advise about those Mausers... that is the known base for the DL-44 which is a Modern era weapon. They would not be a good base to use for a late Crusader kit as the wepaon itself wasn't invented in the Star Wars timeline yet. The amount of modding required to make them work in that era would basically strip the gun down to nothing and waste a great base for a great gun.

While there is no hard and fast rule against using past era stuff on Modern Era builds (it is however, highly discouraged and a difficult uphill ballet anytime you era cross in your build) there are hard and fast rules about not even using modern era componants as bases for modding for past era costumes in the past era CRL's.

Those are great pieces for costuming and something really cool could be made from them but, utilizing them for a Late era build will not work.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bits coming in to start work, p5]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Nov 11, 2011, 12:37 PM
 :-\  I had asked around about that issue and nobody seemed to think it would be a problem.  Guess I never asked the right people.  Next time I'll bug an app team member directly.  Thanks for saving me the time and frustration later!  Maybe I'll practice on one and sell/trade off the other two then. 

Given this, I'm in a bit of a pickle.  I looked through the wookiepedia article on blaster pistols when I was deciding on which to use.  They say blaster pistols were in use in the appropriate era, and they list about three dozen specific models of pistols.   Most of linked models have images, but the earliest one is marked as a "Rise of the Empire era".  Is there another source for reference pics anyone can recommend for TOR-era pistols or do I get/have to design the thing from scratch?   Or are there simply none with a dedicated [or properly annotated] wookiepedia page?  Should a Late Crusader not have blasters, and stick to melee weapons? 
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bits coming in to start work, p5]
Post by: Kardos Shantiel on Nov 11, 2011, 01:06 PM
Well, you can make the DL-44 or DL-14's anyway. Just don't use them in your costume ;)
Btw: Great haul!
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bits coming in to start work, p5]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Nov 11, 2011, 01:39 PM
Alright, scoured around for screenshots from TOR for pistols and came up with a few reference pics.  Would anything along these lines be acceptable?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/refpic6.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/refpic5.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/refpic4.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/refpic2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/refpic.jpg)

I'll see what I can come up with.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bits coming in to start work, p5]
Post by: Kardos Shantiel on Nov 11, 2011, 01:53 PM
I think all of those would work, but could you make them with a Mauser, that is the ultimate question. :p Great finds!
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bits coming in to start work, p5]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Nov 11, 2011, 03:45 PM
no, certainly no C96 bases in there.  The "wild west" looking one could be a colt .45 revolver perhaps.   I might try to go with the first one of that set, the blocky one with the side-mag, but leaving off the laser sight.  Something along the lines of the yellow one in the second pic could work too...
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bits coming in to start work, p5]
Post by: Kardos Shantiel on Nov 11, 2011, 03:48 PM
Can't wait to see it!  ;D
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bits coming in to start work, p5]
Post by: Bubba D. Fett on Nov 11, 2011, 05:01 PM
Neither can I
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bits coming in to start work, p5]
Post by: Hondo Karr on Nov 11, 2011, 06:14 PM
I would recomend avoiding TOR references in your build. At this time because canonly speaking it is a complete mess. The game is set up for recognizibility for players and for LFL to make money. There is little in that is relevant to the costuming standards. Because of the continuity mess it is very unlikely we will have a dedicated CRL for the era. We MAY with enough interest in specific canon Mando's have CRL's but, not for the era specifically.

If you look in the threads pinned to the top of this subforum, you will see KOTOR references pics. Those would be good source material.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bits coming in to start work, p5]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Nov 12, 2011, 03:36 AM
Ah, I didn't know about the TOR chronology mess.  I'll look for some KOTOR refrences for blaster pistols instead.  I looked through the ref pix in this forum and there are a bunch of carbines but quite few pistols, and those that are depicted are hard to make out.  I had hoped that TOR screenshots might work for blaster ideas given the name, but if it's a mangle of eras and not canon, then so much for that idea.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bits coming in to start work, p5]
Post by: Hondo Karr on Nov 12, 2011, 11:30 AM
There is a canon storyline to TOR but, for the Mandalorians at least, it's still a bit convoluted and unclear. That is why we will recgonize named canon characters from TOR such as Shae Viszla but, likely won't have a CRL for the era itself.

If you watch the video's and look at the images from the standpoint of critique rather than fanboy squeeeeeeeeeeee, you see tons of continuity issues in design.

For example, a direct quote about the GAR during the Clone Wars was, the galaxy had never seen an army like it. The Republic Army in TOR look like Clone Trooper from armor design to weapons load. Some images of the Mando's look like an armor mess from Early to Modern in design. The humanoid Cad Bane smuggler guy everyone is so excited about is flying a YT class shipp that looks almost exactly like the Millenium Falcon. There are weapons galore that do not seem to match the era etc.

Basically, I give GL kudo's for making his money and making it recognizable to everyone by doing whatever he wanted and putting things that are inappropriate for their timeline into the game.. Even casual fans will recgonize the Darth maul Sith, the Millenium Falcon and the Stormtroopers in the game and will be drawn to it. For me, as a fan of continuity and not a fam of online gaming, I see it as an "UNGH". LOL

That's why I recommend using KOTOR for reference. You may even be able to wookieepedia some weapons from that era. The video games KOTOR would be good references as well and the weapons are much better defined.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bits coming in to start work, p5]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Nov 12, 2011, 02:34 PM
Thanks for your time explaining that, Falin.  I'm sure it's been hashed out ovr and over on here, but as I'm not much of a a gamer I never bothered actually reading the TOR threads.  It hadn't occurred to me that it could be so borked; I just assumed that a franchise that is so well established would be able to keep their osik together a bit better than that.

With all that in mind, I'll keep sticking to KOTOR for refrences instead.  I ust saw the name "The Old Republic" nd kinda assumed [I know, I know...] that it was the same or similar era as KOTOR.


I don't want to sound like I am ignoring your advice and help, but as of right now I think that since I have the mausers sitting here already anyway, I may try using them for the base of a custom blaster.  I won't base it off of the DL-44 specifically other than the unavoidable issue of the mag well being separate from the grip, but that seems somewhat common-ish in blaster design.  The grip plates pop off on these guys so I'll throw together a flat grip set to replace the broomhandles and work from there.   With some luck and some work, maybe they won't be too terribly obvious.  Even if they turn out not being troopable with this kit, the practice can't hurt and I can either use them on a future kit [listen to the big shot here, already planning anther when he hasn't mad the first cut on this one yet...]  or post them up here to help fund my kit if they come out good enough that someone else would want them.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bits coming in to start work, p5]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Nov 16, 2011, 06:06 PM
I like the respirator cartridge idea........think of doing hoses under mandables that go around to the back of the helmat though?    even the hose from a airmatress pump(corrigated hose)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bits coming in to start work, p5]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Nov 17, 2011, 05:22 AM
Not quite sure I follow on the hose idea;   are you thinking attach inside the mandibles at the front [to the stem of the cartridge inside the helmet face?], then come around outside, around to the back and connect into the helmet again at the back?
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bits coming in to start work, p5]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Nov 17, 2011, 05:50 PM
Under te mandables,(or on cheeks) and then loop around to back of helmat to "automated respirator" style backpack thing?
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bits coming in to start work, p5]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Nov 17, 2011, 05:54 PM
backpack is already reserved/designated for a mobile comm unit which will also carry an array of tools and such strapped to it, maybe a respirator tank can be worked in too.  just to be clear in my mind, you are suggesting a scuba-style air tank in lieu of the cartridge?
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bits coming in to start work, p5]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Nov 21, 2011, 07:05 AM
Alright, so I have over 80 comments and over 1300 views, which surely must put me among the top-read threads without any progress at all being made on physical goods.  So I've started on one of the blasters tonight.  My initial plan called for a pair of matched light blasters, but I'm thinking heavy plus a light/hold-out instead, given the bases that I found.  

That said, here's where I'm at for tonight:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/Tec9-2011-11-21.jpg)

Naturally it needs greebs and screw-holes filled and all.  I'll either file off the rear iron sight or use it as the mount point for a scope.  A few other spots need filling and sanding and all.  I may do the ubiquitous cone-shaped barrel end, not really sure.  I kinda like how it looks now, as far as the shape goes, so I may just stick to some texture-oriented greebles and filling what needs filled. And a paint job, obviously.

Suggestions?
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [initial blaster work, p6]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Nov 21, 2011, 10:07 AM
I'd try looking through the KOTOR comics for inspiration
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [initial blaster work, p6]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Nov 21, 2011, 05:00 PM
I'd try looking through the KOTOR comics for inspiration

Working on it
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [initial blaster work, p6]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Nov 21, 2011, 05:38 PM
I suggest intigrate small "cannon"nods, like the glowing pattern on Zayne Carrick's light saber resistant vambraces.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [initial blaster work, p6]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Nov 23, 2011, 08:14 PM
Alright folks, unfortunately the new job didn't work out.  I'm back to the job hunt again so the kit is going to have to wait.  I do have a sheet of corrugated plastic laying around which I may use to do a mock-up to kill some time and to get the plastic put to some use other than sitting on my balcony.  I understand full well that it is not acceptable as a final kit, but I may play around with it for the time being.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [initial blaster work, p6]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jan 01, 2012, 01:44 AM
So I spent my downtime wisely.  Star Wars Marathon with all seven movies [including TCW] and working through the Clone Wars TV series now, which I haven't watched before.  While they were on, I started messing with some pepakura models for the first time to get the hang of that so I can perhaps do my bucket that way.  Nothing photo-worthy, but some small degree of progress has been made. :D
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [initial blaster work, p6]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jan 02, 2012, 11:23 PM
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/2012-01-02200139.jpg)

starting a pepakura helm which I'll use as the base.  once it is done I'll modify it and figure out what I need to do to modify the model.  This one will fit wonderfully once I chop my ears off.  So the next one will be scaled a bit larger.   My original plan was to mod an ATV helmet but since they don't/can't sell used helmets here and I am not dropping the money on a new one right now just to chop it up.  So I found a pep model that was very close to an ATV helmet style I was looking for, and Rob's your father's brother.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jan 16, 2012, 03:56 PM
Alright, so here's an update.  I'll need to wait for a new job to get the materials to fibergalss it over, but I believe this is my final bucket design.


(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/2012-01-16123724.jpg)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/2012-01-16123746.jpg)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/2012-01-15203402.jpg)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/2012-01-15203410.jpg)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/2012-01-15203417.jpg)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/2012-01-15203425.jpg)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/2012-01-15203435.jpg)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Kardos Shantiel on Jan 16, 2012, 04:01 PM
WOW!! That looks SO cool!!
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Calo Ordoa on Jan 16, 2012, 04:08 PM
Indeed! It looks nice, vod!  :)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Niabi on Jan 16, 2012, 04:44 PM
Like it Vod ;D The T has a Grievous feel to it
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Mav Nexu on Jan 16, 2012, 07:17 PM
FINALY!

Great progress here! Looking forward to seeing you complete this bucket.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Bubba D. Fett on Jan 16, 2012, 07:53 PM
Lookin' gooooooooood
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jan 16, 2012, 08:04 PM
WOW!! That looks SO cool!!
Indeed! It looks nice, vod!  :)

Thanks, Vode.  I'm pretty happy with the overall look.  it needs a few tweaks here and there but I am a bit surprised how close I got it to my initial concept sketches.

Like it Vod ;D The T has a Grievous feel to it

I hadn't thought of Grievous.  The overall bucket keeps reminding me of Demagol more than anyone else.  I can kinda see what you are saying though, now that it was pointed out.

FINALY!
 

Tell  me about it.   I spent a good bit of time researching cold casting techniques and thinking about how i wanted to do this once I found out that cold casting in aluminum wasn't an option here [apparently it is an ingredient in fireworks and other things that go boom so it is a restrited/controlled material; damned terrorists]

Great progress here! Looking forward to seeing you complete this bucket.

Looking forward to finishing it too... and not just because that will mean I've finally found a new job  :P  I think this will come together nicely, indeed.

Lookin' gooooooooood

Thank you, Sir.  :D  There are a lot of great looking kits down there in the CK, I hope I only stand out for the right reasons when I finish the kit up and get to troop with you guys.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: BobaFiend on Jan 16, 2012, 10:19 PM
That looks amazing, are you worried about it stabbing you in the chest?
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jan 16, 2012, 10:22 PM
That looks amazing, are you worried about it stabbing you in the chest?

I did a few trial visors and was afraid of that at first.  I will have to try it on again after I get the chest plate made and tried on, but in a t-shirt I'd say I have 95% mobility with it.  I'll also be sure not to sharpen them too much when I bondo them :wink:
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Slade Kel on Jan 17, 2012, 10:40 AM
Demmed ambitious build there; it'll look dope when it's all glassed up and such :).
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Kel Toi on Jan 17, 2012, 11:29 AM
Looks brill mate, cant wait to see it done and on yer heed  :laugh:
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: seugtai on Jan 17, 2012, 12:56 PM
You already know I think you did a great job but, I 'll say it publicly too, LOVE IT! :D
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jan 17, 2012, 06:19 PM
Thanks.  Getting some attention from some of the big names and some of my mando role models on here so that means a lot coming from you folks.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Star-lord on Jan 21, 2012, 11:42 AM
looks awesome friend.

can we expect an appearance at the Emerald city?
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jan 21, 2012, 12:52 PM
Thanks.  I was really hoping to, but got laid off just before the holidays and just don't have the credits for it in all likelihood.  I have an interview in a couple hours, so anything is possible, but not likely this year.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Jaigalaar Ordo on Jan 22, 2012, 03:31 PM
kandosii vod! Just finish it up and it'll look like a true mando bu'ce  ;)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Uneek Top'El on Jan 22, 2012, 04:25 PM
where did you find the stencil/design for this helmet, or did you design them yourself?
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jan 22, 2012, 04:36 PM
where did you find the stencil/design for this helmet, or did you design them yourself?

I started with a pepakura file for the basic shape and did some very heavy modification to it. 
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Uneek Top'El on Jan 22, 2012, 04:39 PM
Looks Great
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jan 22, 2012, 04:43 PM
Oops.. didn't mean to click send and be quite that trite :P   My original plan was to base the bucket off of an ATV helmet but given the price of an ATV helmet, I decided to build a pep model to get that basic shape and built up from there.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Jango Nova on Jan 23, 2012, 09:44 AM
Like the buy'ce vod. Thats a good idea to build it off of the pep helmet. Btw what helmet is that lol its from Halo right?
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jan 23, 2012, 01:58 PM
Wow... I really can't believe that that is in any way recognizable for what it was.  Did you get that from the post earlier with the model on the computer screen or can you really tell that from looking at the unveiling photos?  I plan on filling in/over the channels that run from front to back, which would make the dome smooth other than the mohawk, and that was the only recognizable feature left that I haven't already filled in, built over or otherwise changed completely.  I really didn't think it was possible to tell.  :\  Maybe that is why none of the App Team has chimed in since the unveiling?  Still recognizable as a "cross-over"?
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Jango Nova on Jan 23, 2012, 03:31 PM
Wow... I really can't believe that that is in any way recognizable for what it was.  Did you get that from the post earlier with the model on the computer screen or can you really tell that from looking at the unveiling photos?  I plan on filling in/over the channels that run from front to back, which would make the dome smooth other than the mohawk, and that was the only recognizable feature left that I haven't already filled in, built over or otherwise changed completely.  I really didn't think it was possible to tell.  :\  Maybe that is why none of the App Team has chimed in since the unveiling?  Still recognizable as a "cross-over"?

While the computer screen pic helped, I noticed it simply because I have made like 5 Pep halo helmets now and they typically all look the same lol. You have done a very good job of make it unrecognizable as a Halo bucket. When you start using Bondo on it you should be able to hide it even more.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Malus Cerar on Jan 23, 2012, 03:48 PM
I am really diggin this. I think that crusaders are going to be the future of this club. They are more creative and they are more unique; they stick out. You have more freedom to put yourself into the costume. You may be he crusader to blow mine out of the water. Keep it up! Oh yeah, remember to rondo before you paint if that is your final cast. Just resin and bondo separately does not hold up well to wear and tear.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jan 23, 2012, 04:21 PM
Malus - Thanks a ton for your kind words!  I'm flattered.

I think that crusaders are going to be the future of this club. They are more creative and they are more unique; they stick out. You have more freedom to put yourself into the costume.

 Perhaps, but frankly I hope not.  I think that there are enough members who don't think they fit the traditional Mando look [by which I mean the Jango/Boba template] to keep the Modern era strong.  For every one of us who enjoys the idea of making a TT visor or single-piece chest plate, there are plenty of others who think it is blasphemy.  I rather like it that way :D  I think that a kit like mine will be a lot less recognizable as a Mando without a modern kit or three around it to give him context to the average joe.  I've actually been kicking around the idea of reworking the sketches for my chest plates to make them more in line with a modern kit just for the recognition factor.
Oh yeah, remember to rondo before you paint if that is your final cast. Just resin and bondo separately does not hold up well to wear and tear.

Not sure I follow here.  I intend to resin-only the inside for a little extra strength since it is already rather snug I want to skip the extra thickness of adding 'glass cloth, then resin/glass/bondo the outside to add more structure and to get it nice and smooth, then primer/paint.  Is that correct? I've never done it before, but that was what I gathered from reading the threads around here...

You have done a very good job of make it unrecognizable as a Halo bucket. When you start using Bondo on it you should be able to hide it even more.

hmm.. I hope so.  Maybe once the additions are attached more permanently and the seams are smoothed over to make them look more built-in and not just tacked on top...  I was planning to glass the base bucket as it is without the mohawk then, once that cures and the bucket has some strength, cut the opening in the dome for the mohawk and attach it there with some reinforcement and structure for when someone decides to pick it up by the opening in the back.  Let's face it, someone will at some point, may as well plan for it and make it able to support the weight accordingly.  That way I can have a 'hawk that fits perfectly flush and the little added space for mounting a fan and maybe some other electronics in the new opening.   Which is also why the 'hawk that is currently on there is taped together and with a bunch of gaps and such; it is only a template for the later product.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Malus Cerar on Jan 23, 2012, 05:57 PM
I think that a kit like mine will be a lot less recognizable as a Mando without a modern kit or three around it to give him context to the average joe.

I thought my crusader was very unmandoy, but I was surprised by how many people recognized it.

Rondoing is simply mixing Fiberglass resin and Bondo to the outside of the piece. This will make it more durable. I've had helmets that survive a fall from my roof after I rondo them. Bondo chips after a while. Sometimes thats a good thing as you can just paint silver into the cracks to add more natural battle damage. On the other hand, I've had chest pieces crack right down the middle making my scared to wear it until it is repaired.

There are several tutorials around the net.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jan 23, 2012, 06:01 PM
I thought my crusader was very unmandoy, but I was surprised by how many people recognized it.

Rondoing is simply mixing Fiberglass resin and Bondo to the outside of the piece. This will make it more durable. I've had helmets that survive a fall from my roof after I rondo them. Bondo chips after a while. Sometimes thats a good thing as you can just paint silver into the cracks to add more natural battle damage. On the other hand, I've had chest pieces crack right down the middle making my scared to wear it until it is repaired.

There are several tutorials around the net.

Is there an advantage to rondo over using bondo-glass?
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Malus Cerar on Jan 23, 2012, 10:48 PM
durability and it's smoother.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Feb 04, 2012, 01:37 PM
Minor update.  This has been a pretty great week.  As of this week: I now have income effective next Friday, and my wife might be taking on a new client at work which would open up the potential to make the trip down to C6 for the birthday bash, so I have a goal/deadline to get done.  I've been tinkering with shoulders lately but nothing worth posting except a pep build that I tinkered with in gimp to mock up some changes to.  Not quite where I want it, but I can get it where I want from that start once I have the bondo and epoxy putty to work with to build up the spots and get the exact shape I have in mind.  Working on my second base shoulder now, and I'll grab some resin and bondo this weekend when my first pay comes in.  Getting excited now that it is ready to start for real.

Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Serim Merec on Mar 10, 2012, 12:01 PM
Hey any updates for us!  ;D
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Mar 10, 2012, 12:12 PM
I keep thinking of posting, but the thread is already full of non-updates so I thought I'd spare you all the trouble of loading it :P

I have a couple more pep models put together but it turned out that the first check I had been waiting for was a bust; because of the way the pay schedule and my start date fell, it was only for a couple days.  Plus it's been hovering around/under 0 so no 'glassing has been done.   I have the fiberglass supplies in my possession though... waiting for mother nature to get her act together and Spring already.

I've thrown together a couple different pep shoulder ideas and I'll mess with those first as they were much easier to make than the helmet was if/when I screw up.  Other than that no real progress, unfortunately.  But I'm not dead yet. :D  Thanks for asking though :D
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Serim Merec on Mar 10, 2012, 12:16 PM
All right then just wanted to know if this awsome kit was movin' along.
"I WILL be watching" *steps back into the shadows*
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Mar 10, 2012, 12:18 PM
I don't know about moving, but it is twitching and on life support... I won't let it go that easily :P
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [bucket unveiled, p7]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 10, 2012, 01:30 AM
So.  An update.    I'm not dead yet.  In fact. there is a very good chance I'll be going to C6 so I've been in full-on saving/planning/building mode.  Also, the weather just got over 10 for the first time this weekend so maybe I can get some 'glassing done this week.   I am hoping to have at least a glassed bucket in time for Vancouver FanExpo in two weeks' time.

So this is where I stand right now:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/shoulder/2012-04-09221104.jpg)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/shoulder/2012-04-09221257.jpg)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/shoulder/2012-04-09221248.jpg)


Yes, those are HALO shoulders and I have a mock-up of how I am going to be modding them here:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/shoulder/shouldermockup.png)

There will be extensive changes, but I thought they would be easier to cut and form with the dremel once they have some resin on them rather than trying to cut the model with an x-acto without popping any of the glue joints or slicing a finger off. The purple "stripe" will be a nearly vertical band using the bondo-and-weather-stripping method I've seen used on here on a few WIPs, separating the shoulder bells into three distinct "parts" and the profile will be reshaped quite a bit as you can see.   There may well have been an easier way to do this, but I don't know it.

As always, fire away.  Maybe between now and C6 I might perhaps make it down to a CK or Terenenerenek armour party and get some in-person advice, if they'll have me.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [prelim shoulders, p9]
Post by: Serim Merec on Apr 10, 2012, 05:18 PM
Looks good Zophar! I like the HALO shoulders, they really fit in with the helmet. Just make sure to mod them enough to look crusader-y.
I look forward to seeing your glassed bucket!
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [prelim shoulders, p9]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 10, 2012, 05:55 PM
it looks Ok-i-day as Jar-Jar would say, I would advise the bondo glass/hair opposed to the pink stuff for building up that strip though-it's less likely to chip or get damaged in a very noticable way-bondoglass is kind of an OD green/brown colour once it's mixed. So it may look a bit less painful should u suffer some damages to it.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [prelim shoulders, p9]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 10, 2012, 06:55 PM
 Serim - thanks, and so am I :P   i may be redoing
The bucket, not 100%.  May leave the changes for a future upgrade instead.


Dresdon - thanks for the tip, that was what I was thinking too, good to have it confirmed.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [prelim shoulders, p9]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 10, 2012, 07:45 PM
adn then-I would glass the whole thing over [inside&out] for good measure, jsut so there isnt the possibility of you banging it in a doorway and knocking the bondo part off of the resined paper, you don't need to but it's just a thought.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [prelim shoulders, p9]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 10, 2012, 07:46 PM
adn then-I would glass the whole thing over [inside&out] for good measure,

there's another way??
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [prelim shoulders, p9]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 10, 2012, 07:48 PM
say what?
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [prelim shoulders, p9]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 10, 2012, 07:52 PM
say what?

Definitely the bondo fumes :P

Yes, it hadn't occurred to me not to glass both sides.  Do some people only glass the outside??

I was planning on getting my wife to help me make a duct-tape body cast today so I can get working on the chest/back/abs but it's suck a gorgeous day out right now I may grab the resin and hit the balcony... maybe I can do a coat of resin now and we can do the duct-tape after dinner when it is dark out....
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [prelim shoulders, p9]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 10, 2012, 07:54 PM
yea-I've seen people just do fiberglass on the outside, put some resin inside, and sand the outside.   In one sentence;  Glass it, Bondo it, Glass it again, and then it should feel like a piece of cement.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [prelim shoulders, p9]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 10, 2012, 08:02 PM
What I was thinking was take the cardboard as is, do a coat or three  [depending on how thick that stuff goes on] of straight resin in and out, then resin with glass cloth in and out for another layer or two, bondo the outside, spot putty the outside, thin coat of resin over the bondo, then prime, paint, weather, wear, realize it no longer fits, and toss it off the balcony.

Hopefully omitting the last two steps there.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [prelim shoulders, p9]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 10, 2012, 08:05 PM
Lol, sounds good enough
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [prelim shoulders, p9]
Post by: Serim Merec on Apr 14, 2012, 12:26 AM
Didja get the bucket glassed?  ???
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [prelim shoulders, p9]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 14, 2012, 12:35 AM
nope, not yet.  I am working with CyraxLionheart on a slightly different design.  And I mean  "working with" in the same way my boss does... I'm sitting here saying "could you do that for me?  no no no... more like this.. there you go.. now about that other thing..."

I also decided my first 'glassing should likely be the shoulders or the chest as they will be far easier to replace when I screw up my first time.  That said, I have gotten almost the entire torso ready for resin.  I hope to have the whole thing pepped and modded and ready for glass by the end of the weekend.  The bucket is on pause until I see if what Cyrax and I get modelled will be closer to what I had in mind [or perhaps if it just looks better than what I had in mind..]   Alas, it appears that I will not have a glassed bucket to carry around FanExpo next weekend.


Thanks for checking up on me though.  I'll post torso shots, perhaps even fitted, as soon as I have the bits and bobs done for a fitting some time early next week.  I promise, Zophar is not vaporware :D

You vode who post a completed kit over a weekend simply amaze me... :D
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [prelim shoulders, p9]
Post by: Serim Merec on Apr 14, 2012, 12:43 AM
Awww bummer! Interested in this new helmet design, can't wait to see it.

I was gunna say more but the Canucks a stinkin' it up  >:( and I don't feel like typin' any more  :blank:

I look forward to progress!
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [prelim shoulders, p9]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 14, 2012, 09:02 AM
I did mine in 3.4 monthes.    Mind you-with just about all the materials lyeing around.   And I don't have a life what-so-ever. Nor have I ever had a girlfriend. I could keep going-but I don't want to undercut myself :P
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [prelim shoulders, p9]
Post by: CyraxLionheart on Apr 14, 2012, 09:20 AM
I will try and get this to you later this evening. If I would have known you were on a timetable I would have been busting my butt this weekend instead of being a slacker!
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [prelim shoulders, p9]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 14, 2012, 10:57 AM
I will try and get this to you later this evening. If I would have known you were on a timetable I would have been busting my butt this weekend instead of being a slacker!

And if I wanted you busting your butt for me, I might have mentioned it.   Don't worry about it.  I have so many other parts that are in the works right now, the bucket isn't a huge deal.  As I said, I'd rather mess up a shoulder or a chest plate that is easier to replace than the 97-part, 16-page bucket. LOL  Take your time, chillax.  [[what.. I'm bringing it back...]]
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit shoulders, p10]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 14, 2012, 01:20 PM
It is awfully hard to get a picture of yourself without blocking the view when you can't see, and My Lady is still asleep so I'm getting some work done.   I think I am going to lose the built-in abs and go with a set of my own design.  That is Cyrax's neo-crusader chest model that I put together last night, which looks like it should fit beautifully with my initial plan with very little modification other than removing the abs and adding my own segmented ab plate.  I was also initially planning on having the collar and chest as a single piece, so I may add in some "straps" to go over the shoulders also when I get around to modding the chest.

Without further ado, the pics of this morning's test fitting are here (http://s1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/)

For those of you playing along at home, here is the initial concept sketch and my current status, side by side:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/armourmk2-small.png)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-04-14094620.jpg)


Those are still the base straight-out-of-HALO shoulders, so they will get much closer once I get around to cutting them up and adding to them, as seen in the mockup I posted earlier (http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/shoulder/shouldermockup.png).  Seeing them side by side, I think I'll also extend the "pecs" on the chest plate down another half-block, and adding in the shoulder "strap" can give me the v-neck look also.  So the only real big change from concept is cutting out the under-arm bit of the chest, which would be more practically done with straps instead.

All in alll.. I'm on my way.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: Serim Merec on Apr 14, 2012, 02:04 PM
Lookin' good Zophar! Chast plate looks mean and macho! And I just noticedfrom this angle those shoulders look a little like Mighty Duck masks....a little  :-\ lol Looks good man! Keep it up!
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 14, 2012, 02:07 PM
when  was putting the shoulders together, all I could see was a wolf's head, but it's almost impossible to point it out now that they are done.  It's funny how we see images and shapes in things like that.  My wife saw it and said "wouldn't it have been so much easier to just buy football pads?"  *sigh* 
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: Serim Merec on Apr 14, 2012, 02:08 PM
  My wife saw it and said "wouldn't it have been so much easier to just buy football pads?"  *sigh*

LOL  ;D :P
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: ConDar Ward on Apr 14, 2012, 02:09 PM
I had no idea .... Very cool Ner'vod ......  8)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: Kel Toi on Apr 14, 2012, 02:10 PM
Looking good bud, i cant wait to see more :D
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 14, 2012, 02:57 PM
Nice........that would look good in blue with a broom head on the helmet  :rolleyes:

thats not sarcasm!@
sort of like these senate guards in armour.   Thats jsut what I see looking really good tied in with it.

(http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz28/Dresdon_Acacin/211px-SenateGuardCommando-GAW.jpg)
(http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz28/Dresdon_Acacin/235px-Taggart-AFIN.jpg)


something like this perhaps?
(http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz28/Dresdon_Acacin/zopharptayarmourconcept_senateguardincorp.jpg)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: ConDar Ward on Apr 14, 2012, 03:26 PM
Nice ..... I kinda like that .... 
I definitely looks mean  ..... in a Cool Way ...  8)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 14, 2012, 03:32 PM
and of course-we all know Mandalorians are the Spartans of star wars, and the mandalorian wars was like the Alxander the great's conquest of the known world, so I would asume there wouldn't be any CRL violations in previous post`s stated design.



[Yes, I know that the Spartans weren`t Romans]
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 14, 2012, 03:40 PM
hrm.. it does look a lot like a hoplite helmet, now that you mention it :\
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 14, 2012, 03:43 PM
It's still really nice >.>
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: Bubba D. Fett on Apr 15, 2012, 12:47 AM
Lookin' goooooood, Zophar
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: CyraxLionheart on Apr 15, 2012, 12:52 AM
Sadly I am wishing I had a portable version of 3d Studio Max. I wont be able to finish the Pep File until Monday in the PM after I awaken. I can TRY before work tomorrow. But we will see. Grave shift SUCKS!
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 15, 2012, 01:15 AM
Don't kill yourself over it.  I really, really, really appreciate your help on what you are doing and have done.  I got 3DS8 running in a VM so I'll see if I can find a crash course in pep modelling/modification somewhere.   I figured out how to export the pep model to an .obj and import the wireframe into 3DS, so the bucket is sitting there in 3DS now.  But then I had to run out and just got home so I'll see if I can figure out how to tinker with the mesh tomorrow perhaps, then figure out where to go from there.  You've done a wicked job with the new bucket model so I'll leave you to finish it in your time and I'll get to working elsewhere.

To add some substance to the post for everyone else:  Do you vode think the bucket is proportioned well enough with the shoulders and chest there?  it is a bit snug and I plan on making it a little larger, but I don't think I want to go any wider than I absolutely have to... it looks to me like it could stand to be a little larger, but what do you folks think?
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 15, 2012, 02:03 AM
I think it's fine-but keep in mind the reduced interior once you pep it and installl the visor.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 15, 2012, 02:20 AM
it is definitely too small; it rests on my cheeks when I put it on right now, and it is yet to be glassed.  I was also warned when I first posted pics of it on that it may look too small and out of scale with the rest of the plates once they are on.  I am thinking of adding about an inch to the dome on either side of the mohawk.  It shouldn't change the perceived scale too much, but two more inches inside should make a huge difference I think.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 15, 2012, 08:54 AM
ah, so ou'r gonna mine that thang out through the bondo?     Tricky stuff......that thing willl be like glass once it's been mined.   As manotonous as it sounds, you may be better printing a new one out at  120% of what it is at now.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: CyraxLionheart on Apr 15, 2012, 09:15 AM
We will say the new pep model should accommodate a bit more ;)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 15, 2012, 09:17 AM
ah, I see
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 15, 2012, 12:35 PM
Cyrax, thanks for fielding that one.  Desdon, my thought was actually to resin the existing bucket then take a saw to it in certain places to cut it into three parts, add an inch here and there, stick it back together and start with the resin/glass/resin/bondo/resin process again.  But I am going to leave the one I have already built exactly how it is and start a new one from the model Cyrax mentioned.  I might go back and rebuild the base HALO bucket that I based it all off of as well, then when it is all over and I have a finished bucket painted and ready to go I can set them up and show the full process and impress someone.. or something ROFL.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 15, 2012, 02:17 PM
I got'cha  ;)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: Hondo Karr on Apr 15, 2012, 03:56 PM
Are you going to modify the chestplate some? Reason I ask is there is some Era confusion here. The title states it's a Late Crusader build but, the chestplates are distinctly Neo Crusader and the helmet while not Neo Crusader sure has that feel to it. As it stands it's kind of an inbetween build. It's stuck between two era's/CRL's where it won't really meet either without some modification of some pieces.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 15, 2012, 07:48 PM
Falin - Thanks for stopping in.  That torso was indeed a straight Neo-Crusader build from the CyraxLionheart pep files because they had the closest shape to what I was looking for and would make for the easiest modification.  They will be modded quite a bit, including the removal of the ab section, extending the "pecks" lower by about half of a "segment", and integrating a collarplate that will bring it in closer around the neck and hook over the collarbone.  The end result will look something roughly like this mockup:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/torsomockup.png)

   Now if only doing it in the meatworld was as easy as doing it in photoshop :P

I had planned to use a pair of seperate segmented ab plates.  Is that idea too Legacy?  Also, I hadn't thought of the bucket as being particularly Neo, but I'm not very familiar with them at all.   Is it close enough to cause a problem if the plates are distinctly non-Neo, or only if the rest of the plates are close enough to cause confusion?

I'll hopefully get the chest modded out over the next couple days and post the result as I'm sure that will help with your decision more than that quick mockup will.  I appreciate you keeping an eye on us shinys and letting us know these things when you see them, it saves  a lot of heartache down the road. :D

[edit=add] My wife just called it my "mando-bra".    guess that goes well with the Boba Thong? LOL [/edit]
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: Adenn Kyram on Apr 15, 2012, 11:16 PM
beskar lingerie! Lol  :D priceless vod
Looks.good so far
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 15, 2012, 11:18 PM
whats lingerie?  :-[
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: Calo Ordoa on Apr 16, 2012, 11:07 AM
whats lingerie?  :-[

*Cough!!* Women's underwear. *Cough cough*


*Blushes* Sorry if that's outta place, vode.  :-[ :-X
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 16, 2012, 03:49 PM
oh sorry-i'm an uber geek. Things like this escape my grasp of knowing just about everything possible to know
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [more torso work, p11]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 17, 2012, 01:39 AM
Alright, so I got a minute today and did some work on my chest plates.  The Neo ab section has been removed, as planned, and the "pecks" were extended a half-unit further down to cover the entire rib cage.  Next I have to finish enclosing the bottom edge as shown in the second pic, then build the collar plate section which will wrap up and hook over the shoulders.  I am still debating the section that I initially planned to put under the arms.  Current thought is to leave that as soft strapping instead of hard plates.   Suggestions on that matter?

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/2012-04-16222111.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/2012-04-16222123.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/2012-04-16222134.jpg)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: Hagen Nor'ak on Apr 17, 2012, 04:20 AM
Well that is a very manly looking bra you have there my good vod  :P, looking good though.

In my opinion I'd say it would look better if you had hard coverings if you going to go with the chest piece being conected to the gorget which conects to the back piece. But I may be a bit confused on how your going to be putting everything together.

To save time, if your gorget is going to be something like Boba Fetts set up (gorget bolting straight to the backplate) then I'd recomend a claim shell look like the TK's and CT's for the sides. If your going to have small strap looking material conecting the gorget to the backplate, then straps on the sides should look fine.

Apparently I need for coffee tonight...

Have a good one,
Hagen
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first trial fit, p10]
Post by: A'den Ca'tra on Apr 17, 2012, 06:26 AM
whats lingerie?  :-[

I wouldn't think a little kid would know about that adult stuff yet lol You coulda just googled it  :laugh:

But yes, ladies undergarments...and other stuff - which shall remain unmentioned lol


And back on topic: It's looking pretty good vod :) As always, a real kit always seems to like to veer away from the original design lol But despite, kits usually turn out awesome  8) Looking forward to see what's coming next!
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1, p11]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 17, 2012, 04:18 PM
 :laugh:




I'm not a lil'kid I'm 15   :'(

lil'kid is under 10  >:(
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1, p11]
Post by: A'den Ca'tra on Apr 18, 2012, 01:00 AM
If you're under 18, you are technically a kid. I even call people 4 years younger them I am kid, so holster that blaster  ;) I didn't say little anyhow...

Zophar, sorry about the thread jack...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1, p11]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 18, 2012, 09:00 AM
Zophar, sorry about the thread jack...  :rolleyes:

Typically I would be hard pressed to find any objections too a rousing lingerie discussion, but lets get back to what's important here... ME :D :P

If there's anything around here more important than my ego, I want it caught and shot now!
 - Zaphod Beeblebrox
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1, p11]
Post by: ConDar Ward on Apr 18, 2012, 09:21 AM
Typically I would be hard pressed to find any objections too a rousing lingerie discussion, but lets get back to what's important here... ME :D :P

If there's anything around here more important than my ego, I want it caught and shot now!
 - Zaphod Beeblebrox


Indeed Sir .....    8)



I can't wait to see where this Goes ......  Big like button push !


note:_________________________________________________ _______________________
To me anyone under 30 is still a Youngster ......  ;)
                       under 25 is a kid .
                       under 18 is a Child .


But Personality and Attitude goes a long way in my book .
Not to mention Grammar and Vocabulary ....  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 20, 2012, 12:48 AM
Alright kiddies, let's set the lingerie aside for a moment *snicker* and get back to me!   Update and advice time!

The string I was using to position the chest had been replaced by a template for the gorget.  I will be adding 3-Dification to it to match with the rest of the chest plates and taper down to about this thin at the top of the shoulders once I'm happy with the shape.  I think it is pretty close to where I want it and may start on building it up next if it looks good to anyone else.  I'm looking for advice on plate sizing and placement in particular.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-04-19211129.jpg) (http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-04-19211139.jpg) (http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-04-19211146.jpg)

Range of motion test:
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-04-19211200.jpg) (http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-04-19211206.jpg) (http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-04-19211210.jpg)

Skroob: How I do I know you're not making faces at me under that thing?
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-04-19211222.jpg)

The only battle a Mando can't win is the one against Helmet Hair
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-04-19211225.jpg)

aaand finally, the reason why visors have flash suppression systems built in:
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-04-19211229.jpg)
yes... I suppose that last one may end up in the Motivational Posters thread...
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: A'den Ca'tra on Apr 20, 2012, 01:25 AM
*makes a cough/clearing throat sound*

Can I leave you some constructive criticism?

*smiles sweetly*

Just the chest piece alone...erm...well, it looks like boob plates  :laugh: ;D :-[ They might be a tad too wide and tall for a male chest
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Hagen Nor'ak on Apr 20, 2012, 05:18 AM
How long is a moment really, cause I think we need to get back to the mando bra talk  :P

In all serriousness though I think the chest plate is a couple inches or so to wide and I think it needs to be raised about two inches up.

Or...

The wings on the side of the chest plate would have to be tapered down to your sides leading into pieces for the clamshell look.
Also instead of moving it up you may want to add another inch or two to the chests hieght kinda like you did in the photoshop.

If your able I'd play around with the pep settings a bit and reprint instead of just adding on.

Have a good one,
Hagen
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 20, 2012, 07:15 PM
well, 11 hours and over 20 views later and you are the only two comments, so I will assume that everyone else is playing the "don't got nothing nice to say don't say nothin at all" game and you have the consensus.  I'm a little confused though.

Can I leave you some constructive criticism?

sure! please do!

Quote
*smiles sweetly*

Oh osik.. I'm in trouble now... I know that look....  :laugh:

Quote
Just the chest piece alone...erm...well, it looks like boob plates  :laugh: ;D :-[

My mother-in-law diplomatically said I have "hanging pecks" so maybe it's my Buddha-like physique making it look like boob plates? :P  On that note, I'll take note of that though and use the same base template for my wife's kit when I get around to hers.... neither of us are big fans of the torpedo chest plates.

They might be a tad too wide and tall for a male chest
In all serriousness though I think the chest plate is a couple inches or so to wide and I think it needs to be raised about two inches up.

Concensus!  I'll look into narrowing them a bit and raising them

Quote
Also instead of moving it up you may want to add another inch or two to the chests hieght kinda like you did in the photoshop.

I added almost four inches to the lower portion already [the part that is not blue is manually done] and had planned to add depth/height to the shoulder straps if the placement and sizing was alright, which it sounds not to be.


Thank you both for your advice and input.  I don't want to sound/look like I am ignoring the advice but I want to try fitting on some side "straps" for the clamshell look, maybe even building on a backplate into a one-piece upper, just for the practice before starting a new piece... a little extra practice modding/winging it wouldn't hurt.  Thanks for being Mando enough to tell me you didn't like it. :D :P  Who knows, maybe with the abs, shoulders and clamshell in place it won't look so bad. :P  I have some time to kill before the new bucket model will be finished so I may as well get some practice in with this guy. 

Cheers :D

Anyone else care to weigh in, please do so. Positive, negative, or "what they said".. it's all beneficial.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 20, 2012, 07:30 PM
Thanks for being Mando enough to tell me you didn't like it. :D :P  Who knows, maybe with the abs, shoulders and clamshell in place it won't look so bad. Anyone else care to weigh in, please do so. Positive, negative, or "what they said".. it's all beneficial.

well in that case.......with the current chest plate as-is you look like a cross-dresser!@   jk-I would take a look at talos kot's torso plates for reference on how to make pec.incorperating plates look less like brazziers.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 20, 2012, 07:47 PM
yeah, the Talos torso is a lot like he overall shape I had in mind at the beginning, actually.  I just have to figure out how to make it :P

[edit=add] To that end, I am currently looking for a clone trooper chest pep file to bastardize as that was his base for the pec area. [/edit]
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 20, 2012, 08:26 PM
if you shape the pecs kind of like he did once you reach bondo, it should be all kewl.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 20, 2012, 08:32 PM
He used TC chest and carved out the groove between the "plates".  so maybe that is what I will try next.  He was one of my inspirations when I first decided to build a kit, I don't know how I forgot that.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 20, 2012, 08:46 PM
The bondo stage is really were it all starts to happen. i would shave a bit off the sides though. And then shape it like he did, but maybe cut small scoops out of the part that inhibits a lot of movement (I always do that and it is better than allways turning sideways to do things)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 20, 2012, 09:38 PM
Raised about 2" per Hagen's suggestion and put on the shoulders as they stand [they will be smaller in the end] to see if that helped any:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-04-20182632.jpg)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 20, 2012, 09:53 PM
Hhhmmmmm.......................try moveing the plates around so they fit the body a bit more like this:
(http://www.gwiezdne-wojny.pl/grafika/2009/sty/kotor.jpg)
pic from dashrazer's Mandalore The Preserver WIP. Basicaly, just try and make it a bit more recessed.
you can better see what I mean in these pics.
(http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz28/Dresdon_Acacin/images.jpg)
(http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz28/Dresdon_Acacin/imagesasdgfh.jpg)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Adenn Kyram on Apr 20, 2012, 09:57 PM
Looks a lot better with the shoulders. I'd maybe narrow the top of the chest plates  or box the bottom of the chest plates out? Abs should help a lot as well. Good luck vod
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 20, 2012, 09:59 PM
Maybe I'm dense, but I'm not following.  As far as I can tell, that IS where the plates are positioned in that last pic I posted, except that mine extend further down.  Their chest plate ends right at the armpit, which is where the same point on my chest lines up, I think...
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 20, 2012, 10:07 PM
yea but the neo ones in the pics I posted are more recessed, flatter across the outer "face" and at teh bottom  were they angle abrupt.  Yours are a bit more gradual. you can still keep the chest plate you have now- but just incorperate these details at the bondo stage.     And, glass over the bondo after the sculpting/shapeing?
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 20, 2012, 10:12 PM
yeah... I'm thinking that's just because I'm fat... I have a 50" chest and a 38" waist..  even Boba plates would stick out on me.  LOL 
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 20, 2012, 10:19 PM
I'm the same- 38" waiste 44" chest.  Since they'll be hollow, the fat will fill the gap, and there 'ya go.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 20, 2012, 10:20 PM
thaaaaat's the idea :D
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: ConDar Ward on Apr 20, 2012, 10:32 PM
I love this Kit ..... ;D

 I can't wait to see it in paint ..... ;)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Jango Nova on Apr 21, 2012, 12:40 PM
I think it will also look better when you add some Ab plates to it. but so far so good.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 21, 2012, 12:44 PM
I am currently adding the side strap/clamshell and will throw together some abs early next week... I was thinking the same thing... if it looks better, great.  If not, the bes part about pep is that there is next to nothing invested in resources at this point and I don't mind the time so hey... I toss it and start over with a couple less cereal boxen to work with.  I'll buy more milk and dig in. :P

ConDar - Thanks for your support :D
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Kel Toi on Apr 21, 2012, 12:50 PM
I think it looks great bud, i just dont know enough about the era to comment or help.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: ConDar Ward on Apr 21, 2012, 03:02 PM


ConDar - Thanks for your support :D


Anytime Vod .....  ;D

I think this is Going to be Great ...... Keep at it , you'll get it to Workout .
But Don't burn out on it ..... Back off and Get a fresh perspective if need be .

I will often Start several builds , then Stop each one mid-build just to do this .
Then all of a Sudden , " Bingo " I find the Right Color or Greeblie . Sometimes what I've already Done
gets Totally rebuilt . But just having the piece/s (or whatever) sitting there for me to look at , that serves a purpose
as well . It's my Ideas or Thoughts in physical form that I can Touch , manipulate it into whatever I can
 with the limited tools or Skills I have .

That's how I get past the "Builders Block" that my Brain usually gets ....... But Everyone is Different ...


Again Good Luck with your Build Vod ...  8)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 21, 2012, 03:20 PM

Anytime Vod .....  ;D

I think this is Going to be Great ...... Keep at it , you'll get it to Workout .
But Don't burn out on it ..... Back off and Get a fresh perspective if need be .

I will often Start several builds , then Stop each one mid-build just to do this .
Then all of a Sudden , " Bingo " I find the Right Color or Greeblie . Sometimes what I've already Done
gets Totally rebuilt . But just having the piece/s (or whatever) sitting there for me to look at , that serves a purpose
as well . It's my Ideas or Thoughts in physical form that I can Touch , manipulate it into whatever I can
 with the limited tools or Skills I have .

That's how I get past the "Builders Block" that my Brain usually gets ....... But Everyone is Different ...


Again Good Luck with your Build Vod ...  8)

Cheers, vod.   That is why I have so many parts semi-done.  I'll sketch out what I want; then get the rough shape in pep form; then pics, photoshop, 3d render, and/or paper mockup [some combination of the above] where I am thinking about going with it using what I have built in my hands as the base and adding/cutting; then move on to another piece from the beginning, get almost to the point where I am ready to glass it and pick up another.  When I come back to a piece and see it next to the initial sketch I can see it a bit more objectively and say "that looks nothing like the sketch, but if I do this... " instead of "but I just spent fourteen hours doing that, I don't want to start over"

The techy steps of photomanipulation and/or rendering are crucial to me... I can take what I have already done and take where I want it to end up and plan the route to get there without wasting hours and materials trial fitting bad ideas.  It help me visualize a lot better.  i think I have more photoshops, wireframes and renderings of my kit than actual photos as I take thing in new directions and rework ideas. 

tl;dr:  I LOVE technology. :D

I think it looks great bud, i just dont know enough about the era to comment or help.

Thanks for dropping in, vod.   I do really value your opinions.


 I'll have pics of the almost completed clamshell either tonight or tomorrow.  I personally think it makes a huge difference, and once I get the abs on I think it will be fine, but as always I'd really like to hear honest opinions.  I'll hold off on posting pics in the future until things are a little more settled in design and further along in the build though.  Adding those bits, I think, really helped bring it together.

 Heading out to FanExpo in a bit and need to get dressed... hopefully this time next year I'll be kitting up instead :D
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Kel Toi on Apr 21, 2012, 03:25 PM
I love the look of the era, but ive no pep skills or even the patience for it, i would have set fire to it in minutes  :laugh: All my best to you mate ;) Good luck on the build, watchin wi interest bud :D
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 21, 2012, 03:32 PM
Also, my wife is getting more and more interested as I build and now wants a kit when I am done with mine, so I may start taking breaks to do some planning and work for her as ConDar had mentioned.  I'm throwing together some bucket sketches in my down time to find one she enjoys and I'll build the rest of the kit around that as I did with mine.  Current frontrunner is another Late Crusader using something like this bucket:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/eileenbucket1.png)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: ConDar Ward on Apr 21, 2012, 03:36 PM
Nice ....  8)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Kel Toi on Apr 21, 2012, 03:39 PM
First impression - Baboon  :laugh: no offence bud, to be honest they are scary wee buggers and fierce quite apt really  :laugh:
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 21, 2012, 03:43 PM
 Lol  baboon works.  But it will be a gatling-gun-toting baboon so treat her like a wookie and just let her win lol
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Kel Toi on Apr 21, 2012, 03:44 PM
Just as long as yev no got a big red -censored-  :laugh:
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 21, 2012, 05:07 PM
I don't see baboon......I see a hint of that mando Rholand dyre sent after zane carrick jsut after then conned a mining camp into fleeing for safety.   Also, reminds me of whats-her-face from one of the SWTOR cermercials, the one were they assault the jedi temple
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Adenn Kyram on Apr 21, 2012, 09:11 PM
kinda looks like a mando version of rorschach to me. Cool and scary. Could just be the black and white sketch. Or I could just be crazy? either way looks like a cool concept helmet. :D
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 21, 2012, 09:30 PM
I'll start a new wip for her kit soon, with less irrelevant chatter since it wont be my first go-around. ;-)   the con was sold or... I've underestimated the power of the dork side two cons in a row now, i won't make that mistake again... Ordering tix online for now on :-P   bright side, on my way home to work on my kit i guess.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Kel Toi on Apr 21, 2012, 09:34 PM
My fault for yet another derailment mate, with the what it looks like ! Sorry bud, ye just cant get the help these days  ;)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 21, 2012, 09:41 PM
Chicks dig the armour.   But once you take the helmet off it's 75/25 they they are gonna be like"omg, like seriously? totaly grose."
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 21, 2012, 09:44 PM
Lol... This thread has more derailments than erm.... Something that gets derailed often...
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Kel Toi on Apr 21, 2012, 09:46 PM
Chicks dig the armour.   But once you take the helmet off it's 75/25 they they are gonna be like"omg, like seriously? totaly grose."

No wi me they dont ! Im scared to take my bucket off, im gettin married soon. Wan woman is plenty ! trust me i know...
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: ConDar Ward on Apr 21, 2012, 10:14 PM
Lol... This thread has more derailments than erm.... Something that gets derailed often...

hahahahah ..... ahhhhhh ahahahahah a ..........  :laugh:
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Kel Toi on Apr 21, 2012, 10:32 PM
Lol... This thread has more derailments than erm.... Something that gets derailed often...

Train ? is it a Train ? dunno, maybe a Kel ? LOL Sorry bud ;)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 22, 2012, 04:22 PM
Once again I underestimated the power of the dork side and thought to buy con tickets at the door only to get turned away for the second time this month.  For now on I pre-pay online I guess.  We spent the day playing  with our Sphero out on the seawall instead and I think I found a new recruit even though I didn't get in.  Go figure. 

That gives us myself, my wife, Serim, new guy, and possibly The Red Mando and suddenly we've got a squad.. We'll have to name it the Spanish Inquisition.. because nobody saw us coming :P  In fact, some variation on that would be highly amusing now that I mention it...


Anywho.  Work continues today.  I have almost a full clamshell done with the chest and I want to get abs done and mounted before I post another set of pics, but that should be pretty soon.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Serim Merec on Apr 22, 2012, 11:23 PM
Once again I underestimated the power of the dork side and thought to buy con tickets at the door only to get turned away for the second time this month.  For now on I pre-pay online I guess...

Man, that's a bummer!  ??? What time did you get there? Glad you could recute your buddy! Get him to make a profile on here and get posting!
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 22, 2012, 11:30 PM
At ECCC at least they started selling tickets again after a couple hours so we just hung out watching the costumes and chatting for about two hours and then got in; FanExpo just said "sorry, sold out."   We got there a little after noon.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Serim Merec on Apr 22, 2012, 11:50 PM
I found this link posted on the ORS facebook page: http://www.ctvbc.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120422/bc_fan_expo_vancouver_convention_120422/20120422/?hub=BritishColumbiaHome

Apperantly THOUSANDS were turned back! Pretty sure if you got there between 10 and 11 you would have got in. But it's not too big a deal. Also according to that article this FanX was just a "dry run" for a much BIGGER convention!
Look forward to next year!!!  :P
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 22, 2012, 11:53 PM
The organizers, from what I have heard, have borked the show in Toronto for the past few years with the same problem; every year they have to turn away thousands.  You'd think they would have it down by now.  And it's not like the Vancouver Convention Center is lacking for space.. they just underestimated how popular it would be or they were too cheap to rent sufficient space.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Serim Merec on Apr 22, 2012, 11:59 PM
Aw well maybe these Vancouver people will get it right. We can only hope!
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 23, 2012, 12:22 AM
Same promotion company apparently.   But yes, we can hope. :D  I'm gently nudging my friend [the guy you met on the seawall with me] towards a pure legacy kit like this black one (http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g155/JHart06/Mandalorian%20Armor/Legacy%20Era%20Ref/legacy41_11.jpg).  He's tall and super skinny, I think he'd look great in that style.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Serim Merec on Apr 23, 2012, 01:57 PM
Whats wrong with Modern era?!?!  :P  lol Vancouvers gunna be very full of very interesting kits!  ;)  But yeah he'd probly pull off the legacy look real well.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 29, 2012, 07:05 PM
I present my new droid.  I call him

Zophar's
Armour
Plate
Production
Assistant

I like to call him Frank for short, and here's a cheesy photoshop to lampshade the pun:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/ZAPPA01b.png)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: BobaFiend on Apr 29, 2012, 07:07 PM
"Why does it hurt when I costume?"
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Serim Merec on Apr 30, 2012, 01:25 AM
 :laugh: That looks really funny!  :P
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 30, 2012, 07:38 AM
roflol
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.75, p15]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 05, 2012, 01:35 AM
Working a lot tonight and not ready for an update, but a sneak peak at where I am thinking I am going with this.  I should have a better series of pics this weekend.


My droid ZAPPA modelling the new prototype plates.  White paper will be flat connecting the chest to the backplate, tan cardboard will be sculpted/detailed ab plates.  The blue horizontal line is roughly my belt line.  Shoulders still unmodded.


(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-05-04220311.jpg)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.75, p15]
Post by: Serim Merec on May 05, 2012, 06:20 AM
Hmmm.... Is that belt line, like, your real life belt line or your Mando utility belt line? I'm likin' that side piece, I just hope it's not going to be a movement inhibitor.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.75, p15]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 05, 2012, 08:29 AM
that looks better
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.75, p15]
Post by: seugtai on May 05, 2012, 08:53 AM
Hmmm.... Is that belt line, like, your real life belt line or your Mando utility belt line?

Looks to be at the natural waistline to me. :rolleyes: I like it's placement, looks spot on to me. ;)

It's coming along! Looking good. Now come give me a kick in the -censored- to get that much done! :P
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.75, p15]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 05, 2012, 11:42 AM
Hmmm.... Is that belt line, like, your real life belt line or your Mando utility belt line? I'm likin' that side piece, I just hope it's not going to be a movement inhibitor.

It's my real life belt line.  More or less... you know.. it can go down about 16"-18", depending on how cool I want to look *wink*

I don't know how accurate the placement is on that, actually, but I measured from my armpit to my belt as I was wearing it at the time, then marked that on the droid to give me a reference point.   I may have to trim the lower ab plate a little.

The side plate will almost certainly hinder movement no matter how I make it, given that the back plate is full-sized.  The only way I see it not hindering would be if I connected it to a half-back plate and made a 2-piece back as well, which I don't really want to do.  We're wearing costume armour, mobility limitations are to be expected.  Now, whether those limits are reasonable and bearable is entirely up in the air until I get it on and troop it for a day.

The inspiration for the side panel design finally came when looking through the WIPs that I bookmarked before I started working on my own and came across Talos Kot's again.  He had a similar front/back setup and I love how he solved it, so I took his idea (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f102/taurus050570/darth%20dom/Custom%20Mandolorian%20Project/04-10-2009010919PM.jpg).  I'll texture/sculpt it appropriately foe my kit, but I love the thought that went into his "triangles" design.  I keep debating if I want to extend my base-height sides to give me an inch or so lip below the raised chest, and lower the abs to keep the " gap the way he did.  That would stop the upper chest from looking so abrupt I think.

As always, constructive and honest criticism is always welcome.  I know the common consensus seemed to be to ditch the chest and start over when it was shown by itself, but I wanted to see it in context first.  I'll get some more pics up in the next few days with the sides and abs mocked up with paper and cardboard, and get the shoulders shaped in and modded the way they need to be, and we'll see.   If the consensus is still that it looks too feminine then I will start over on the chest using the same base that Talos used since that has the same general look that I was going for but in a lower profile. 
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.75, p15]
Post by: Serim Merec on May 05, 2012, 01:46 PM
It's my real life belt line.  More or less... you know.. it can go down about 16"-18", depending on how cool I want to look *wink*

That's what I thought. I think, considering the tape as the middle of your future utility belt, you should move it up 1-2". I don't know if it's different for Late Crusaders but most Mandos (atleast the modern era) have their belts more up to their belly button. I just mention this because it seems to be what people make mistakes on. They put their wide utility belts where their regular life belt goes and this slightly throws off the look and shape of the plates. But if one raises their belt up 2" to about their belly button it makes the whole kit look better. Again I don't know if it's different for Late Crusaders but I'm just here to make sure you think over things and make the correct decision for yourself.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.75, p15]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 05, 2012, 09:56 PM
Alright.  The visible changes from the sneak peak are minimal, but here is where I am now and where I'm leaving it for the time being.   I want to step away and see what I see when I come back to it in a couple days.  The hashmarks are areas that will be raised to match the level of the chest plates.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-05-05183803.jpg)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-05-05183810.jpg)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-05-05183829.jpg)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-05-05184905.jpg)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-05-05184912.jpg)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.75, p15]
Post by: Hondo Karr on May 05, 2012, 10:19 PM
Lookin good!
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.75, p15]
Post by: Kel Toi on May 05, 2012, 10:32 PM
I think youve done a great job so far mate, nice one ;)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.75, p15]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 06, 2012, 02:11 AM
LOL.  In the process of giving ZAPPA a neck and head to get the helmet at the appropriate height:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-05-05225843.jpg)

 I made a startling discovery:  ZAPPA is an IG-88!

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-05-05230239.jpg)

LOL
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.75, p15]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 06, 2012, 06:38 AM
roflol...heheheh
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.75, p15]
Post by: seugtai on May 06, 2012, 08:56 AM
I never had issues with the chest done the way it is, maybe because I saw them ending up like Jas'ika's of the BVC. I think having them like that can either balance a person out or give the illusion they are much bigger, a larger than life feel. The only thing I'm not really feeling is the side connection between the chest and back. It just doesn't seem to flow to me. I don't know, I just seem more drawn to the side it doesn't have it. But, that's just my personal opinion and what you do in the next stages with it may change that entirely. ;)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.75, p15]
Post by: A'den Ca'tra on May 06, 2012, 09:34 AM
*looks at back plate mock up* Turtle?

 :laugh: :P

Honestly, I don't think I can give you much advice at the moment. But it is looking much better than the previous incarnation. The chest plates look more masculine and I'm digging how the chest works well with the shoulder plates. Uhm...there is though an oddly shaped gap between the chest and top ab plate. I'm wondering if that  might throw people off a little.

Alas, until you've got more done, I can't give a more solid yay or nay...
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.75, p15]
Post by: Talos Kot on May 06, 2012, 09:49 AM
from your new photos its all coming together quite nicely .... i think the only issue others had with the chest is that it seems to look much broader across from side to side than your actual chest/ body .. so that it covers your arm pits  thus maybe restricting your movement :
http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-04-20182632.jpg
 and when acctually worn could chafe when you move/ lift your arms out in front ......
do not scrap it !!!!!  that chest looks great but have you considered scooping the sides a bit .... i had to do this with mine to free up movement . i know we are making costumes and not real world armour but you have to think ahead .. you will be wearing this / trooping in it, and it has to be comfortable for You,  and making it more wearable / user friendly goes a long way to making your kit come to life giving the illusion of a feasbly real useable set of battle armour that would work ..... the mannequin -FRANK- is a great tool to have so you can work on your armour in wile on you body but acctually not,  but we need to see it on you  ......... its all coming together great tho !!!!! ;D KEEP IT UP
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.75, p15]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 06, 2012, 12:40 PM
To those not directly quoted below, thanks for your input.  Even a "looks good" helps keep me on track; I start thinking people stop replying because they don't want to tell me it looks bad. :P  Thanks for your time looking it over and keeping me in line.  I've never done anything like this before so I know I'm kind of asking you vode to hold my hand along the way, but I appreciate your patience with me.

I never had issues with the chest done the way it is, maybe because I saw them ending up like Jas'ika's of the BVC.  I think having them like that can either balance a person out or give the illusion they are much bigger, a larger than life feel.

People should be required to post a link to either their WIP or at least their application pics in their signatures...  I went to Jas'ika's profile, pulled up all of his posts and, naturally, the pics were on p7 out of 16... LOL  I see what you were saying.   I was thinking that by bringing the abs flush with the raised chest in front and taper down to flat on the sides it might help hide my... jolliness that I've put on in the  recent year or two.  His does look really good with flat abs and raised chest though.

The only thing I'm not really feeling is the side connection between the chest and back. It just doesn't seem to flow to me. I don't know, I just seem more drawn to the side it doesn't have it. But, that's just my personal opinion and what you do in the next stages with it may change that entirely. ;)

Thanks for the suggestion.  I was hoping by adding in the side I would avoid the Mando-bra look, but perhaps with the abs in place that is already handled.  I'm going to step away from the torso for a couple days and get work done elsewhere, and see if things look different when I get back to them.

*looks at back plate mock up* Turtle?

 :laugh: :P

grrr.... yoouuuuu..... :P :laugh:   I actually thought it was flatter until I saw it on the dummy.... hard to tell how curved it is when it is on your own back :P  I think I'm keeping it that way though; an air gap between the back and the plate should allow at least a little air circulation and reduce sweating... maybe.. don't know.  initially I was going for a back-pack but I thought this might help mitigate the mando-bra thing, and this would be much faster to get done as I am still hoping to get this in by C6, then I can upgrade the back to a pack later if it comes to that.  It will sit in a bit tighter once it has the weight and structure of the fiberglass on it... right now it's pretty poofy.  Technical term, that.  Poofy.

Uhm...there is though an oddly shaped gap between the chest and top ab plate. I'm wondering if that might throw people off a little.

Classic case of measure thrice, cut eight times... I traced the curve onto a sheet of paper, traced the paper onto cardboard, decided I didn't like the sides so I traced THAT onto another piece and so on... and in the end I lost a bit of the original curve.   It'll get fixed.   I had an even " gap which followed the bottom of the chest initially and lost it along the way.
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from your new photos its all coming together quite nicely .... i think the only issue others had with the chest is that it seems to look much broader across from side to side than your actual chest/ body .. so that it covers your arm pits  thus maybe restricting your movement :
http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-04-20182632.jpg
 and when acctually worn could chafe when you move/ lift your arms out in front ......

Yes, that was definitely a problem when that picture was taken.  I raised the chest a little so the widest part sits more towards shoulder level and it fit better.  I'll have to try it on now that I have a backplate to see what kind of mobility I am left with.  Here is a detail shot from head-on to show where it sits now, with the white paper pressed flush with the side for better contrast.  I think that might be enough of a difference to make it work.  As you said, I'll have to try it on to be sure.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-05-06093354.jpg)

do not scrap it !!!!!  that chest looks great but have you considered scooping the sides a bit .... i had to do this with mine to free up movement .

I'm not sure I follow, sorry.  Do you mean to cut a bit away from where it would chafe?

Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.75, p15]
Post by: seugtai on May 06, 2012, 02:37 PM
People should be required to post a link to either their WIP or at least their application pics in their signatures... 

I do...
You just have to click my signature...
Do I get a cookie? :P

But I agree, that would be helpful if everyone did as well. ;)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.75, p15]
Post by: ConDar Ward on May 06, 2012, 02:49 PM
Do you know how big my Sig would be if I did that ?  :laugh:

Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.75, p15]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 06, 2012, 03:29 PM
Do you know how big my Sig would be if I did that ?  :laugh:



one line longer than it is now... LOL

seugtai - yup, I'll get it to you in Orlando :D
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.75, p15]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 06, 2012, 06:27 PM
What talos means by teh scoops, is to cut out small semi-circles were the plate messes up your movement. Basicaly, by cutting a semi circle about 2-3" inward were it hits the arms on yours.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.75, p15]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 06, 2012, 08:04 PM
That was what i thought, but didn't notice it so much on his kit
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.75, p15]
Post by: A'den Ca'tra on May 06, 2012, 08:22 PM
*smiles sweetly* For the back armor, air flow is a good idea. It's the largest nearly flat part of the body, and it sweats a lot too. Hmm... Might I suggest some kind of venting portals along the bottom to help more with air flow? Alas, I'm unsure how it would affect structural integrity... Maybe even you could possibly throw on some greeblies and such and make it look like a kind of environmental system? Kinda cheat a little lol

Oh the copy and cut method! lol Gotta love it! lmao Can probably fix that fairly easy with an added piece where it's needed. Attach an extended piece, secure it really good. Ugh... just reminded me how much I hated messing with the inverted triankle on brow of my bucket... first it snapped off, then I had to attach art board on the back and glue it to my bucket, then re-bondo... Oh fun...  :-\

But you're kit is moving along fairly well :) If only we could see you in what you have so we can get an even better idea of how it would look on you aside from your metal tape mock up lol
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 11, 2012, 10:26 PM
looking for a suggestion of a better way to do this.  I want to bring the abs flush with the chest as mentioned and my best thought was to tape some floral foam, drop a plumb line, file it to match and use that shaped foam as a template to build from.  it isn't coming along quite so easily and the mess and noise aren't working out in my living room.  so better thoughts other than fill it up with bondo and sand it flush, which would weigh quite a bit.   NOTE: there is no intention of leaving the foam as part of the kit in any way, it is only to build a template to work from.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/foam.png)

Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [request for help - p17]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 12, 2012, 07:53 AM
Aww c'mon-you no-wanna pull a Dresdon and make it 75% out of bondo like Dresdon V2?  :P
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [request for help - p17]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 13, 2012, 02:37 AM
I have some 5mm corrugated plastic laying around I think I'll try to use as the template.  A heat gun and a razor knife should be enough to get it formed without nearly as much trouble or mess I think.  If anyone has a better suggestion, I'd love to hear it.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [request for help - p17]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 13, 2012, 08:17 AM
You could alwats grab a scrap segment of I-beam and a 32 oz. ballpean hammer and make the ab plates out of metal you know....
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [request for help - p17]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 15, 2012, 08:30 PM
while not entirely WIP-related, I booked my vacation time at work for C6 and bought my Bday Bash tickets today.  PLUS I have enough airmiles that our flights are going to be "free"... so all I have to cover is the resort.   YAY!
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [request for help - p17]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 15, 2012, 08:34 PM
gooooooood......gooood....all is prosceeding as I have forseen.......NOW GET TO WORK ON YOUR 'GAM!
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [request for help - p17]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 15, 2012, 08:54 PM
NOW GET TO WORK ON YOUR 'GAM!

yessir, boss.   I'll get on the squats and leg-presses and cycling and jogging...


Every time I hear that word I think we're in some 30's film instead of Star Wars :P
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [request for help - p17]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 15, 2012, 08:57 PM
lol...
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [request for help - p17]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 15, 2012, 10:53 PM
Beautiful day for a BBQ... so while waiting for the charcoal to kick, I mixed up some resin and finally got started on the first shoulder.

What was that I heard?  Pix or GTFO?  Don't mind if I do...
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/shoulder/2012-05-15194013.jpg)

and remember kids, safety first!  We don't want to be like a Jedi family and lose all sorts of limbs...
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/2012-05-15194752.jpg)

I used a dollar-store foam brush which started having issues halfway through the application.  If you use a traditional brush, can the brush be salvaged somehow to reuse or is it a one-shot thing no matter which brush you use?  Also, would it be alright to mix a second batch of resin in the same tupperware cup after the first is fully cured? [say, tomorrow evening?]
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [request for help - p17]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 15, 2012, 11:57 PM
You can do that re-use conatainer thing with bondo, jsut bend the container a bit to make the resin crack off?     as for the brush, use a piece of metal or caothanger wire or somethign to mix it if you want to save your brush for the actualy brushing, and there are also these rubber paint trowel sort of things by hthe bondo line of products that could be good for distributing resin, and as for salvaging the brush, maybe try haveing a cup of turpentine to sitkc the brush in once your done before it cures?
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [request for help - p17]
Post by: seugtai on May 16, 2012, 06:22 AM
I always use natural bristle brushes I pick up for a $1 each. I found anything else tends to melt a bit.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [request for help - p17]
Post by: Serim Merec on May 16, 2012, 04:13 PM
Did you widen those shoulders? Cuz they look wider  :laugh: Glad to see ya gettin some work done man!
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [request for help - p17]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 16, 2012, 04:41 PM
No, in fact I trimmed them in to the more triangular shape from the sketches.  The top-down view was always very wide though
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [request for help - p17]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 16, 2012, 04:46 PM
Hmm.......iiiinteresting.......
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [request for help - p17]
Post by: Serim Merec on May 16, 2012, 07:10 PM
No, in fact I trimmed them in to the more triangular shape from the sketches.  The top-down view was always very wide though

I see. I guess I just haven't seen them from that top-down view  :blank:  My bad....
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [request for help - p17]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 17, 2012, 09:29 PM
first shoulder currently has three coats resin-only on outside, and two resin-only inside and waiting on a cloth layer inside to cure.  I'm thinking a second cloth layer perpendicular to this one this evening, then a very thin skim of bondo outside this weekend and I can start sculpting methinks.  That sounds like it should be a pretty bombproof build or should I go thicker on the cloth inside?
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [request for help - p17]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 17, 2012, 09:46 PM
No cloth on the outside?
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [request for help - p17]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 17, 2012, 09:49 PM
wasn't planning to, no.   Cloth inside for a few layers and a thick gellcoat outside before bondo and paint
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [request for help - p17]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 18, 2012, 09:18 PM
Who is looking forward to their long weekend?




This guy!

 (http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/2012-05-18181320.jpg)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [request for help - p17]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 18, 2012, 09:40 PM
Oh man....that is'nt a JobMate rotery tool is it?    I have a vendetta with those things....mine always ended up failing me at the worst of times, and if you overtighten the chuck it then breaks. Good luck with it though!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [request for help - p17]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 18, 2012, 09:43 PM
Nope, a Craftsman that I've had and been using for a good seven or eight years.  They [used to?] offer a lifetime warranty on all their tools, and I've not had an issue with it.  I'm a stickler for name-brands when it comes to things that I want to last :P
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [request for help - p17]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 18, 2012, 09:49 PM
Same lol-Mastercraft has a pretty good warrenty and I know 85% of the staff from school lol, so they are complete di'kuts when it comes to warrenty exchanges...buy broken mastercraft crowbar at garage sale, return for $30 store credit and buy $30 in paint >:)


and that is the story of how I managed to buy a $50 can of bondo.......you save about $20 if you were to buy the same amount in the 1pnt cans you know...as for the fiberglassing, you could also probably make a couple of the helmet greebs (like mohawk for example) out of wood and use a couple screws and fiberglass the thing on. Gas Mask cartridges could be done in the same fasion....as I amy do on my DESTROYER someday.....not sure.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [request for help - p17]
Post by: Novoc Mereel on May 19, 2012, 11:47 AM
Phew!  That's lookin' sweeeeet!!!!
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [one shoulder ready for sculpting - p18]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 19, 2012, 11:11 PM
sun likely won't be up much longer so here is the current state...  all of the flashing is removed and I threw on a thin coat of filler primer to get an idea of what needs sanding and filling and bondo and sanding and fixing and sanding... tomorrow I'll be out all day, but I'm off Monday so I can start on the bondo skin and see where it goes from there.  Hopefully I can get at least the first tier built up.  Planning to use the weather-stripping method for the build-up height so the steps will be nice and even.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/shoulder/2012-05-19192931.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/shoulder/2012-05-19195826.jpg)

I don't know what that gloop is on the right corner; excess primer or errant resin.. it'll get sanded out either way when I get to smoothing it all out.

Clearly it needs a lot of work yet, but progress is being made, and so far it has gone faster/better than expected.  I also picked up the base color paint for my kit.  Going with Rust-oleum universal advanced formula [the cans with the trigger-style tops] Aged Copper metallic flaked paint which looks to me far more like bronze than their bronze one did.

guess that is the update for tonight....
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [shoulder ready for filler - p18]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 19, 2012, 11:39 PM
Hmm....at this rate you'll be done by the time SW:EPVII comes out!  :laugh: jk lol

patience is paramount , if you rush things you may as well have not done it at all. Again:bondoglass is stronger the pink bondo....so keep that in mind for structural stuff, the pink I suppose is fine as somewhat of a spot-filler, but the fiberglass reinforced stuff is were the real strength is at. Bondo glass is not all that much better than the shortstrand bondo hair, IMO you should use the BondoHair.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [shoulder ready for filler - p18]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 20, 2012, 01:14 AM
No kidding.  Went out with the wife today to do some errands, ended up not getting home till dinner time... so much for getting work done.  Maybe Monday.  work and family life make for slow progress, but they come first.

I don't think I'll need bondoglass, the whole thing will add less than an inch to the height and the fibergalss and resin are strong enough that I can barely flex it at all right now, so strength isn't what I need to worry about.  bondo with a skin of resin to protect it should suffice from what I've been reading.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [shoulder ready for filler - p18]
Post by: seugtai on May 20, 2012, 09:34 AM
Looking good Zophar! Can't wait to see the next steps take shape and see the piece really come alive.


Again:bondoglass is stronger the pink bondo....so keep that in mind for structural stuff, the pink I suppose is fine as somewhat of a spot-filler, but the fiberglass reinforced stuff is were the real strength is at. Bondo glass is not all that much better than the shortstrand bondo hair, IMO you should use the BondoHair.

I don't think I'll need bondoglass, the whole thing will add less than an inch to the height and the fibergalss and resin are strong enough that I can barely flex it at all right now, so strength isn't what I need to worry about.  bondo with a skin of resin to protect it should suffice from what I've been reading.

I'm with Zophar on the Bondo-Glass, while yes your correct that it is stronger it is also a whole heck of alot heavier and is twenty times harder to sand. I've also had more problems damage wise from it than the regular old lightweight pink stuff because being heavier and the whole issue of gravity when dropped it hits that much harder resulting in more damage. At least in my case. In the end everyone has their favorites in materials they like to work with and while suggestions are always appreciated we need to respect the choices they decide to go with.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [shoulder ready for filler - p18]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 20, 2012, 01:00 PM
I noticed that the bondo-hair is actualy a bit lighter, if you look at the $50 cans, they (from what I have seen) are the same volume, same price, but the ones with more fiberglass in them are actualy a bit lighter weight than the pink stuff. I think it has some of the same formula pink bondo in it, but just with a diferent base pigment to diferenciate between mixes. But yea-If I were you I would take the good weather to glass the other pieces that are ready as well.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [shoulder ready for filler - p18]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 26, 2012, 12:45 AM
alright, I'm going to lose the sun again so here's a quick update.  It needs another coat of primer and some light sanding to get rid of some of the deeper grooves from the high-grit earlier, but as for general shape, I think this is about it for the base.  It is also becoming clear that at this rate there is no way I'll be ready in time for C6 so I am deciding on which corners to cut and save as future upgrades.  Connecting the chest and the back into a one-piece is on the back burner for the time being, and I was thinking of leaving the shape of the shoulders like this and adding the raised sculpting later.  I'd appreciate an app team ruling on that if i may, or are they still too similar to the halo shoulders they are based off of?   here are current shots and an image of the original halo shoulder as it was intended to be built.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/shoulder/2012-05-25204605.jpg)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/shoulder/2012-05-25204612.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/shoulder/2012-05-25204620.jpg)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/shoulder/2012-05-25204648.jpg)

The shoulder was built off of a model for the right shoulder of a Halo Wars MJOLNIR Mark IV Armor as seen here: 
 
(http://dyn1.media.forbiddenplanet.com/products/2012513.jpg.size-300_maxheight-300_square-true.jpg)
and here (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110608014117/halo/images/a/ae/Template_small.jpg) fro those who don't following a link for a reallly nice walk-around of the armour the shoulder model was pulled from that I can't directly link for some reason.

I like to think they are not identifiable but I'm not a little biased on the matter :P
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [shoulder ready for filler - p18]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 26, 2012, 12:56 AM
I personaly, would not have noticed them being halo shoulders.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [shoulder ready for filler - p18]
Post by: Jango Nova on May 26, 2012, 08:46 AM
Good mod vod, I wouldn't have recognized it as being Mark 4 armor at all.  ;D
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [shoulder ready for filler - p18]
Post by: Serim Merec on May 26, 2012, 12:36 PM
Yup I think your in the clear bud!  8)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [shoulder ready for filler - p18]
Post by: Kel Toi on May 26, 2012, 04:37 PM
The shoulders look great mate ;) Nice work ! Not much similarity to be honest.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [shoulder ready for filler - p18]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 26, 2012, 05:09 PM
thanks folks.  I was nervous until I posted the side-by-sides there... i guess having seen the transformation, i just kept seeing what it used to be but seeing them next to each other they sure don't look very similar, do they? :P   absolutely gorgeous day today, getting plenty done.  updates tomorrow likely.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 26, 2012, 09:33 PM
symphony tickets tonight so heading out shortly, but got the rest of the bondo done on the first shoulder, plus a skin of resin over the bondo, roughed it up, primed it, and painted it with the first coat of the metallic bronze base color.  second shoulder started from scratch and got three coats resin outside, two inside and one of two layers of cloth inside done.  I have a couple of bubbles in the cloth layer this time around, which I didn't run into last time so I am guessing wait for it to fully cure then tomorrow dremmel out the "blister" with a sanding/grinding drum and fill it with resin before carrying on?

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/shoulder/2012-05-26181521.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/shoulder/2012-05-26181605.jpg)

shiney  8)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 26, 2012, 10:30 PM
looks good
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: seugtai on May 27, 2012, 08:15 AM
I agree with everyone else and don't see the original halo shoulder anymore.

-clapping- Bravo. You have done a great job with Bondo and fiberglass, and that it is your first time is just down right impressive! I have no doubt you'll bring your concept to life and look like you stepped right off the page. -still clapping- :D
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 27, 2012, 08:20 AM
Have you thought about weathering?      it's usualy: primer,silver,clearcoat,masking,base colour,second colour, rest of colours, blackwash, optional light wetsanding, clearcoat.
but theres allways dry brushign too I guess...
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 27, 2012, 11:35 AM
I agree with everyone else and don't see the original halo shoulder anymore.

-clapping- Bravo. You have done a great job with Bondo and fiberglass, and that it is your first time is just down right impressive! I have no doubt you'll bring your concept to life and look like you stepped right off the page. -still clapping- :D


awww shucks :P  thanks :D

Have you thought about weathering?      it's usualy: primer,silver,clearcoat,masking,base colour,second colour, rest of colours, blackwash, optional light wetsanding, clearcoat.
but theres allways dry brushign too I guess...

I have.  As stated, I'm not going for the heavily weathered look like i stopped at the com on the way home from a battle on Arrakis so I am going with a couple layers of base color, clearcoat, detail colors, multiple washes, clearcoat.  I'm not going the build-up-and-sand-down  route with this one.   that is one reason i left some of those little pock marks in the last picture (though, admittedly, I didn't think I had left quite so many...) because they will catch the washes very nicely and let it not look like a mirror with a sheet of grime on it.  I may, however, go back and throw a layer of hammered black under the bronze for the texture though.  what do you think?  I mainly just did this coat because I was jonesing to see what it would look like.  there are one or two spots that I may still go back and touch up if I have time at the end.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 27, 2012, 11:51 AM
I think they look good-blackwash or not though, it would still be a bit messed up for it to be so blackwashed without some chips around the edges. I suggest you do a line of silver paint around the edges and some leading surfaces so you can at least mask a few chips here and there. i.e. were plates meet plates and the edges of shoulder plates.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 27, 2012, 12:01 PM
you should write up a WIP and [edit: yes, you have one, I wrote that pre-coffee this morning.  sorry :P] some tutorials for the wiki, man.  you have experience and a lot of advice to share.  they would be a great resource fr everyone instead of burying them in my WIP
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 27, 2012, 01:41 PM
so... up in the morning and back to work.  How many others out there will admit to setting their timer for 33 minutes when waiting for resin or bondo to cure?   c'mon.. I can't be the only one...
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: ConDar Ward on May 27, 2012, 02:18 PM
so... up in the morning and back to work.  How many others out there will admit to setting their timer for 33 minutes when waiting for resin or bondo to cure?   c'mon.. I can't be the only one...


It is true ...... I carry a Timer while in the shop ......   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 27, 2012, 05:57 PM
you should write up a WIP and [edit: yes, you have one, I wrote that pre-coffee this morning.  sorry :P] some tutorials for the wiki, man.  you have experience and a lot of advice to share.  they would be a great resource fr everyone instead of burying them in my WIP


lol...my WIPS are deep in the cripts of the "unexplored" regions of the forum-last time someone other than me with the exception of today posted on my helmet WIP was......november?...
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 27, 2012, 06:09 PM
the suggestion of wiki and/or sticky tutorials still stands :P   off for another round of sanding and bondo then running to home depot with the wife to get a few things for her projects.   yay Home Depot!
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [modified chest - stage 1.5, p12]
Post by: Ghostwalker on May 28, 2012, 01:07 AM
looking for a suggestion of a better way to do this.  I want to bring the abs flush with the chest as mentioned and my best thought was to tape some floral foam, drop a plumb line, file it to match and use that shaped foam as a template to build from.  it isn't coming along quite so easily and the mess and noise aren't working out in my living room.  so better thoughts other than fill it up with bondo and sand it flush, which would weigh quite a bit.   NOTE: there is no intention of leaving the foam as part of the kit in any way, it is only to build a template to work from.

I think you are onto the best way to do this with the floral foam. Though I wouldn't file it... try an electric knife instead. Less mess, faster sculpting though less forgiving of accidents.

I'll be going through your monster of a build thread carefully as I will be embarking on a similar journey soon. Need a new set of plates to match my TOR bucket.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 28, 2012, 01:37 AM
Hey Ghostwalker, thanks for checking out the build.  A solid majority of the thread is chatter, which I think is why a lot of people have stopped coming by, but hopefully there is something in there to help you out.  This is my first time trying anything like this so there are a lot of questions and answers so happy reading.

I gave up on the floral foam for the time being due in part to the mess and in part to how impractical working with the stuff turned out to be.   I finally got one of the four abs nice and pretty and bumped into it while working on the next one and took a chunk out of it; the corners would round off just brushing against them.. i found it impractical.   I think my next attempt will be to use a thin plasticard and a heat gun to make the template, then trace the result onto paper to make templates, glue them to the cardboard I used for the pep portion, and go from there. 


I almost got the second shoulder fully sculpted in today to match the first one but forgot I had dinner plans with the in-laws so I lost a couple hours of work time there.  Back to working on them again when i get home from work tomorrow.

till then, good hunting.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Ghostwalker on May 28, 2012, 02:00 AM
hhmmkay, I might have an idea for you to try.
Let me bounce it around my skull overnight and I'll be back.
And I need to read your thread in detail / get an idea of what you want your abs to look like.
Ai'll be baahck!
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 28, 2012, 08:41 PM
Just booked my flights for CVI.  hard deadline set :P

If anyone is going to be in town early, we'll be there early on the 18th and leaving the afternoon of the 27th.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Calo Ordoa on May 28, 2012, 08:43 PM
It's about an hour-and-a-half drive from Tampa over to Orlando, if you need any help getting last second stuff done.  ;D
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 28, 2012, 08:46 PM
You drive too slow :P

I spent a couple years living in Lutz and Oldsmar, then moved to Dr Phillips [about three blocks from the Convention Center in Orlando] used to make the drive in an hour, old man :P

I may take you up on that though, I have a cousin in Lutz I may swing by to see possibly.  If I can pull my wife away from Disney for a day.   We're staying at one of the Disney Resorts on I-Drive and got park passes for the days we're not going to the con.  I had to bribe her some how :P
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Calo Ordoa on May 28, 2012, 08:55 PM
DUDE!!! I live in Lutz! Right off of Newberger!  ;D
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 28, 2012, 09:07 PM
small world, vod.  small world.  It's been years and I forget where exactly, but it was by that lake... you know the one :P  [I think it was Deer Lake, but as I said, it's been a LONG time.]



4-day con pass just purchased.   We're only planning to go two days but i figured the extra $15 for the flexibility to pick which two and work around plans for/of others would be worthwhile.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Calo Ordoa on May 28, 2012, 09:17 PM
Quite a few lakes around here, actually...  :laugh:

So, uh, yeah! Got a color scheme yet? Or have I just missed where you posted it?  :laugh: :-[
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 28, 2012, 09:28 PM
more or less.   I am having a hard time finding the accent color I have in mind, but I am using a bronze base color and looking for a dusty pale purple (http://www.colorhexa.com/907283) and a sage green for the accent colors.   I am going to hit up a professional paint shop in town that mixes custom spray bombs and see what they charge.

still not 100% on the final pattern.   I really need to get it together and see what comes to me once I see the actual curves and lines, naturally, but this is the current thought if you change the blue-green in the image to more of a sage green color.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/miststlkr/mando/chestcloseup.png)


and yeah.. the lakes thing was a joke.   there are more lakes int hat town than land, i think :P
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 28, 2012, 10:06 PM
For a good base for the guantlet screen, you could do like me...
(http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz28/Dresdon_Acacin/IMG_0676.jpg)
(http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz28/Dresdon_Acacin/IMG_0683.jpg)
(http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz28/Dresdon_Acacin/IMG_0685.jpg)
yup-exterior 120V plug socket cover. The kind that has the lil door on it.I am going to put buttons in the part that has the sanded black palstic that now looks medium grey, in the center of the lower half...that is like a "keyboard: area of it, likely square normaly closed off-on click/push buttons. Hopefully I can find some that light up...
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Ghostwalker on May 29, 2012, 02:48 PM
Okay my Idea for the abs.. you already have the basic shape done in plastic right?

If you just need to sculpt the ab details you could do what whatshisname did from the UK and use self adhesive foam insulating strips to make temporary 3D borders on the base plastic, fill with bondo to desired height, power sand/ sculpt, scrape out the weatherstripping.

I swiped his technique when I made the grooves in my TOR bucket and it works like a charm.
I'd give him proper credit but I can only remember that fantastic cold cast kit and not his name.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 29, 2012, 04:13 PM
Talos Kot.  His kit was one of the big inspirations to start on mine.  That is the technique i will be using to sculpt the raised parts of my fuller, but the abs will need to raise around an inch iin some areas.

I think for the time being, i will see what 2-D abs look like once the chest is glasses and finished.  It may not look as awkward as i think with the two heights
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Ghostwalker on May 29, 2012, 05:06 PM
That's the bunny... err Mando!

an inch huh? could try using scrap plastic to make the boundaries and fill them with expanding foam, let harden, remove plastic and sculpt to rough shape then use glazing putty to finish.
Or use water putty to fill and raise, dirt cheap, non-toxic and cleans off stuff with water. Sands a bit easier than bondo too.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: ConDar Ward on May 29, 2012, 05:20 PM
For a good base for the guantlet screen, you could do like me...
(http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz28/Dresdon_Acacin/IMG_0676.jpg)
(http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz28/Dresdon_Acacin/IMG_0683.jpg)
(http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz28/Dresdon_Acacin/IMG_0685.jpg)
yup-exterior 120V plug socket cover. The kind that has the lil door on it.I am going to put buttons in the part that has the sanded black palstic that now looks medium grey, in the center of the lower half...that is like a "keyboard: area of it, likely square normaly closed off-on click/push buttons. Hopefully I can find some that light up...



Those Rock ! !   Nice Job ....  8)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 29, 2012, 06:24 PM
Quote from: Ghostwalker link=topic=43467.msg725280#msg725280

an inch huh? could try using scrap plastic to make the boundaries and fill them with expanding foam, let harden, remove plastic and sculpt to rough shape then use glazing putty to finish.

Hmm... Not quite like that, but you gave me am idea that is just crazy enough to work...  I'll have to mull it over but i think three base idea is valid...  I'll get back to you on threat.  I should finish the second solder tonight or tomorrow, weather and energy permitting, and I'll get on testing the new idea next
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 29, 2012, 07:11 PM
What-you no like my gauntlet ideas?  :'(
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 29, 2012, 07:41 PM
What-you no like my gauntlet ideas?  :'(

they look good, and the door idea was brilliant, but the gaunts themselves are xbox HUEG and not at all in keeping with the concept I have.  I may steal the exterior outlet box idea and take it a different route though. 
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 29, 2012, 07:51 PM
were the shab do you see an xbox on that thing? lol
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Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 29, 2012, 08:08 PM
kids these days :P

know your memes (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Xbox-huge), son *wink*
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Ghostwalker on May 29, 2012, 08:13 PM
not exactly a meme but yes the original xbox was a monster.

I like the gauntlets and I plan on stealing the idea you had with the exterior cover, I foresee a number of applications for that. I also need to work up 4 gauntlets so yeah  ;D

I am eagerly awaiting your latest idea on the ab situation.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 29, 2012, 08:36 PM
sure it is.  Meme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme) was a word long before it meant a picture with an unrelated mildly witty caption. 


back on topic, as tenuous as the topic is these days:

((
For the abs what I am thinking is taking your idea of the expanding foam but changing it up a bit.   i am thinking I'll sculpt the height and rough shape with that stuff, cover it in aluminum foil  (which resin won't stick to), and use that as a plug essentially.  Lay glass over the foil, then take/cut the foam out and I'll end up with a hollow fiberglass shell rather than a solid piece.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 29, 2012, 08:47 PM
seems legit... ;D
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Ghostwalker on May 29, 2012, 09:03 PM
That could work! from experience: cling wrap and scotch tape also do not bond with FG resin
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 29, 2012, 09:06 PM
I've never tried to actually carve/shape that stuff, so it may or may not work, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 29, 2012, 09:30 PM
You could glue together (hot glue) some of the pink insolation foam board and sculpt it with sandpaper and a gyprock rasp. Made a set of Boot armour templates like that once. You just have to avoid getting the resin on it or it will likely melt.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Ghostwalker on May 30, 2012, 01:27 AM
I've never tried to actually carve/shape that stuff, so it may or may not work, but we'll see.

expanding foam is easily sculpted with a carpet / box cutter.
If you extend the blade far out it will bend a good bit without snapping.
Work with a new, sharp one and you'll have fun with it.
Acetone should clean any uncured expanding foam off stuff, but you'll need to get it fastish before it sets.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 30, 2012, 11:21 PM
Went shopping for soft parts today and found a flight suit that i liked.  A nice grey one from Mark's Work Wearhouse for $50 but they were out of my size.   They'll order it in and i should have it come Monday.  It isn't on their website as far as I can tell, but a pair of coveralls is a pair of coveralls.  The boots I found I will need to get pre-approval on before I buy them, but they are pretty kick-shebs:
 
(http://www.daffomode.com/images/DW-782.jpg)details (http://www.daffomode.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=97) 

Naturally I'd strip the sewn-on branding on the tongue.  Maybe have to dye the white stitching on the soles also?  the boots are steel toe and the flap is a steel plate to protect the top of the foot also.  there is no other visible branding as far as I can tell.  Assuming my shin plates cover the only visible row of lacing, and the branding label was removed, would these beasts pass muster?
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Serim Merec on May 31, 2012, 12:03 AM
Well they seem alright  :)  And if the top lace proves to be a problem (asuming the shin doesn't cover it) you could always do small boot spats  8)  :P
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Ghostwalker on May 31, 2012, 12:47 AM
I'm reasonably certain they'll pass with the logo removed.
I don't think you have to dye the stitching but it couldn't hurt if you aren't planning on using white for an accent color.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 31, 2012, 12:55 AM
I'm reasonably certain they'll pass with the logo removed.
I don't think you have to dye the stitching but it couldn't hurt if you aren't planning on using white for an accent color.

no, I think the closest will be the grey flight suit so i may try to dye then grey.


where I left off tonight:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/shoulder/2012-05-30213902.jpg)

tomorrow I'll throw a thin skin of resin over the bondo to protect it and start with the primer/sand/primer/sand/primer/sand process.   the one that is currently bronze will be taken down to primer again as well so i can take care of some of those pinholes that are bugging me.  They look pretty good in normal light, but I couldn't get a  picture of them under these spotlights without the surface looking horribly rough so it's back to the finer grits with a more detailed eye.

also, I am looking into an airbrush setup so I can just have my accent colors custom mixed to match what is in my head instead of relying on hoping I can find some rattle can that are close.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Ghostwalker on May 31, 2012, 01:14 AM
well try to enamel the eyelets though so they don't stand out.
It'll be a constant maintenance kinda thing as the paint will wear off alot but I expect it'll make the difference to the AppTeam.

Those shoulders are SLICK my man! top notch work!
Nice to see another Merc who is addicted to sanding and filling.
Too many peeps slap paint on way too early.

I take my bondo to oh about 220g dry then 400/800 wet sand until the water flows without interruption.
Then move on to the sponges for a bit of polishing, prime, wet sand, prime, wet sand until my matt black primer appears gloss. I am utterly addicted to creating a surface so smooth it's cold and feels like polished marble.

craftsmanship gets me excited. people who put that amount of effort into single pieces turn out amazing stuff. *points to seugtal's thread* she took forever but man it was worth every minute of wait.

Oh and yeah I'd love an airbrush/'presser setup myself but as I have no garage I'm not investing in it.. yet.
If I'm painting outside in the wind, with dust and pollen uncontrollable there is no point trying to lay a perfect paint job on.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 31, 2012, 09:21 AM
I took the one i painted down to 600 but it still looks spotty to me.  Maybe it is due to the metallic paint, not sure.  I'm sure it would pass, but it would bug me. 
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Ghostwalker on May 31, 2012, 04:42 PM
do some 800 wet passes with a matt primer type color... if it's still spotty then break out the glazing putty, if it isn't it might be the paint you used.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 31, 2012, 04:45 PM
 I picked up an assortment from a car parts shop, ranges from 800-1200.  I'll hit it up when I get time.  I want to get some work done on the torso and i still have to restart the helmet again, so plenty to do yet.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Ghostwalker on May 31, 2012, 04:56 PM
 ;D that's where I source my stuff too!

I can get behind the wisdom in taking a step back from something to gain perspective.

Don't keep us in too much suspense on the torso / bucket!
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Serim Merec on May 31, 2012, 06:25 PM
...and i still have to restart the helmet again...

Ahh that's what I've been wondering about. How is that secret helmet design coming?  ;)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 31, 2012, 06:36 PM
Ahh that's what I've been wondering about. How is that secret helmet design coming?  ;)

It is coming along secretly :-P
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Kel Toi on Jun 01, 2012, 05:16 AM
They remind me of Herman munsters boots  :laugh:
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 02, 2012, 01:01 AM
picked up my flight suit today after work and another huge jug of bondo.  the new shoulder is smooth wetsanded up to 600 and looking good.  pics tomorrow when the sun comes back up perhaps.  I am hoping to get started in on glassing the chest this weekend.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 02, 2012, 12:36 PM
We have our first bright day in over a week today and when I got the painted shoulder outside next to the new one I couldn't believe that I had thought that was even close to finished.   I sanded it back down and I'm going to do another fill coat and reshape it a bit today.  One of the problems with metallic paints is that they show every blemish and wave pretty clearly.

Also, I had what might be a great idea this morning for connecting the sides of the chest to the back to make the one-piece I had in mind.  I'd like to bounce the idea off you vode as I am thinking "out loud" on this.  Once I have two coats of resin on the chest and the back to give them some structure I can mount them to ZAPPA, then snag a tube/bar/length of that foam pipe insulation like the one in the pic below, cut it into lengths, tape then vertically onto the sides of ZAPPA, and wrap the whole thing in Saran wrap. That will give me my width plus an inch [or whatever width of foam tubing I get] on either side for standoff so it isn't form-fitting.  Then cut an old tshirt in half up the center of the, slide the shirt onto ZAPPA and tape it down.  Resin the shirt in the three gaps between the plates [both sides and the collar] that I want to fill, then shape that by cutting off the excess and shaping the curves as I need.  Fiberglass cloth the back of the whole lot [both plates and the shirt part] together to join them into one piece, two more coats of resin on top of the whole lot to create a solid exterior gelcoat.   I think that should get me a solid and reinforced single-piece upper torso with integrated chest, back, sides, and collar.  in fact, if I use a v-neck t-shirt, i can easily get the look i had sketched.... I think I might be on to something here...   any killjoys want to point out how mean the real world is before I ruin my chest and back and have to start over?  The only problem I forsee is trying to get it back off of ZAPPA since he's [only slightly] less agile than I am and can't lift his arms.  ZAPPA may have to turn into the Black Knight.  i had thought up a way to give him removable arms so maybe it's time to do that... LOL
 
(http://www.cambridgeplumber.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/pipeInsulation.jpg)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jun 02, 2012, 01:14 PM
Thing about ARMA-FLEX is that it is made of a foam that easily/quickly come apart. We use it at work a lot, the problem with it is that once you get a little tear in it, it will widen and go all the way through. And it is VERY easy to mess it up...i.e., you rub your finger on it a lot and it will shred...well, the top layer will roll/peel off...You could try rubber boot material though...that stuff wouldnt tear...I would chop up som rubber boots or over-all style fishing.......gators?   Well, you know what I mean....rainboots that have the over-alls built into them with the bib thing going on.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [first shoulder painted base coat - p19]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 02, 2012, 01:18 PM
I'm not following.  why would I use boots?  All I want is to use the tubes [still rolled up, not opened/unrolled] as spacers with the plastic wrap to protect them.  I'm not seeing where the boots would come in.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [flight suit - p23]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 03, 2012, 03:04 AM
I know the lighting isn't the best, but I got a flight suit last night and want to make sure it is good before I take off the tags and start wearing it around and weathering it.  The chest pockets have to come off, but i can't remember if the butt pockets do as well.  I also want to take in the cuffs a bit so they stay in tighter to the wrist instead of flaring out so much,  and modify the collar so it will stand up as it is in the pictures, but I don't think it needs any serious modifications, does it?

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/software/2012-06-02235233.jpg)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/software/2012-06-02235237.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/software/2012-06-02235242.jpg)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/software/2012-06-02235250.jpg)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [flight suit - p23]
Post by: seugtai on Jun 03, 2012, 07:43 AM
Okay first up.
My concern with the foam pipe insulation is that foam has a tendency to melt when fiberglassed. I'm not sure with the addition of the Saran wrap and t-shirt if that will be enough to keep it from doing so. I guess there's only one way to find out for sure right, test, test, test it.  :laugh: ;)

Next up, the flightsuit.
I like it, looks great on you! (By the way you've lost weight, looking good my friend!) Personally, I would take the pockets off if they will be visible. If something is going to cover them completely than you should be fine leaving them.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [flight suit - p23]
Post by: Ghostwalker on Jun 03, 2012, 08:44 AM
I left all my pockets and stuff on both my flightsuits, I like the aesthetic.

ceran wrap will keep the resin from chemically interacting with the foam. the foam should be able to take the curing heat without issue.

the helmet looks awfully narrow on you, I wonder how much more pronounced that will be once you are plated up.
are you going for that particular look?
really digging that bucket design though!
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [flight suit - p23]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jun 03, 2012, 10:00 AM
I'm not following.  why would I use boots?  All I want is to use the tubes [still rolled up, not opened/unrolled] as spacers with the plastic wrap to protect them.  I'm not seeing where the boots would come in.

the boots would be a substitute material. ARMA-FLEX gets damaged very easily, and if you used strips from some rubber boot(the material their made of) it might work better than the foam.   You could also chop up one of those  small outdoor/entrance carpet with the rubber bottoms.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [flight suit - p23]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 03, 2012, 10:42 AM
Okay first up.
My concern with the foam pipe insulation is that foam has a tendency to melt when fiberglassed. I'm not sure with the addition of the Saran wrap and t-shirt if that will be enough to keep it from doing so. I guess there's only one way to find out for sure right, test, test, test it.  :laugh: ;)

We'll have to see, I guess.  I was thinking the saran should be enough of a vapor barrier and the resin supposedly doesn't stick to it.  i had assumed that the plastic/foam melts due to chemical reaction, didn't think of the heat of curing that was melting it... this calls for an experiment!

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_iHD7oZMEaas/Sor_yP9UJFI/AAAAAAAABWY/VBhyiB2HQww/s400/stand_back_square_0.png)

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Next up, the flightsuit.
I like it, looks great on you! (By the way you've lost weight, looking good my friend!) Personally, I would take the pockets off if they will be visible. If something is going to cover them completely than you should be fine leaving them.

aww shucks... *blush*   I need to wear flight suits more often, apparently they flatter my figure :P

I am planning to use the material from the chest pocket to modify the collar so those are coming off, the butt pockets are top-stitched too so i may just take them off as well.   i don't think there will be anything covering them.  Also, they have a pair of slits behind the hip pockets so you can get into the pockets of the pants you presumably are wearing underneath.   Would it be alright to just velcro those shut?

I left all my pockets and stuff on both my flightsuits, I like the aesthetic.

The other benefit to taking them out would be that i could perhaps use the two rear pockets and spare chest pocket to make either a sporran-style pouch for my belt or to add a thigh pouch similar to a cargo pants pocket on the left thigh, opposite my thigh holster on the right.

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ceran wrap will keep the resin from chemically interacting with the foam. the foam should be able to take the curing heat without issue.

ah, hadn't realized the heat was what the issue was; see above.

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the helmet looks awfully narrow on you, I wonder how much more pronounced that will be once you are plated up.
are you going for that particular look?

both, actually.   this is my prototype bucket.  there is  a  new one in the works which adds roughly an inch and a half.  i was/am going for the Demagol style face-hugger rather than the modern standard that flares out.

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really digging that bucket design though!

Thanks.  I roughly documented the build earlier in this thread [there is an index in the first post, i forget exactly where it is]   I'll throw together a proper WIP for it with a more complete documentation process once the actual one is finished and ready for the world.  The actual one looks quite a bit less organic and quite a bit more aggressive I think.

the boots would be a substitute material. ARMA-FLEX gets damaged very easily, and if you used strips from some rubber boot(the material their made of) it might work better than the foam.   You could also chop up one of those  small outdoor/entrance carpet with the rubber bottoms.

I see what you are saying.  If it comes down to it, I'll keep that in mind.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [flight suit - p23]
Post by: Kora on Jun 03, 2012, 04:18 PM
  Also, they have a pair of slits behind the hip pockets so you can get into the pockets of the pants you presumably are wearing underneath.   Would it be alright to just velcro those shut?

Have no advice on anything else. Did just want to pop in to say that my very first flightsuit (back when I still used a one piece lol) had those, and I just sewed mine shut so I wouldn't have to worry about velcro or anything popping loose.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [flight suit - p23]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 03, 2012, 09:19 PM
I have some of the foam pipe insulation in hand and saran wrapped some of it to a 2x4 and resined over it.  It is almost done curing, so we'll see what comes of that in a few minutes.  worst case I'm out a whole $2 for the experiment.

I also just ordered my ammo pouches.  three sets of Tokarev pistol pouches (https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/catalog/DSC07366.JPG)
and two sets of Turkish Mauser pouches (https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/catalog/TurkMauserPouch.JPG)

I asked that they try to pick similar coloring and condition, but we'll see how nice and how bored they are feeling when they get the order I guess.  i don't plan on using all of them at once, but I wanted the flexibility to figure out what looked good so i got more than i think I'll need/use.  I'll be on the lookout for a 2" leather belt to match I guess.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [flight suit - p23]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jun 03, 2012, 09:43 PM
just ask Visciousvestments abour girth belts.

http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=48114.0

worst case I'm out a whole $2 for the experiment.
:o   your INSANE throwing toonies around like that!  :laugh:


Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [flight suit - p23]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 03, 2012, 09:55 PM
actually may have found found the perfect belt:  (https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/catalog/DSC04808.JPG)  2" milsurp turkish leather ammo belt.  They didn't list a size so I'm waiting on that before ordering, but it looks like it should be good.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [flight suit - p23]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jun 03, 2012, 09:59 PM
That is indeed a pretty kewl belt...what's the price on all your leather goods being ordered?
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [flight suit - p23]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 03, 2012, 10:28 PM
Including shipping, I am sitting at just under $100 for the pouches, the belt will add another $25.

I bought them all through Liberty Tree Collectors (https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/).   I found individual bits cheaper here and there but I have a shipping address in Washington which charges $5 per package so i end up saving by having it all in one box.  Plus, in the end, I got tired of hemming and hawing between a few different styles and just bought the ones I was looking at.  I think the pouches I got will be enough for two kits, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [belt and pouches ordered - p23]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jun 04, 2012, 12:01 AM
Thats a tad bit more than I'd spend...but then again, I'm cheap.......quite nice pouches though.....if you have extras, you put put some on holster webbing or bycep plates as well...
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [belt and pouches ordered - p23]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 04, 2012, 12:27 AM
I had planned to scratchbuild them as well, but time is ticking.  I'll use them on this kit for now then pass them on to my wife for hers when I get this one "done".


Also, for posterity, the pipe insulation tubes survived the fiberglassing wholly intact.  I saran wrapped them to a 2x4 and dumped resin over them.  after it cured, the resin had dripped down the sides attaching the plastic to the cardboard I had laid under it, but the 2x4 slid out easily and the foam was perfectly fine.  The plastic wrap was wrinkled so it didn't pop off perfectly, but the parts that were smooth on the edges proved that the resin would not stick.  I'm calling it a successful proof of concept and moving on.   a little research also stated that resin will not stick to duct tape so here is the plan:

 I will duct tape the tubes in place against ZAPPA's sides to create a gap between my actual stomach and where the shirt will rest. Saran wrap the whole torso tightly.  Slip the v-neck shirt onto ZAPPA over the new spacers, possibly having to remove his arms in the process.  Mount the plates where they are supposed to go using tape.  Resin the outside of the entire chest/shirt/back area with a couple (three?) layers.    I'll have to see how strong it is at that point and go from there as it will be getting manhandled quite a bit int he next step.    Once i am convinced that i can get it off without destroying it, I'll cut/slide the entire thing off in one piece if at all possible.  Where the shirt meets the plates I want to keep the excess and resin it to the bottom/back sides of the plates to make the joins as solid as possible.  Where shirt doesn't meet plates it will be trimmed and shaped.  Hopefully I now have a single piece upper torso.  The inside of the whole lot gets a couple layers of fiberglass cloth for unified strength and start in on the outer bondo and back to the fun game of bondo, sand, bondo, sand, bondo, sand, beer, sand, bondo, sand.  There will almost certainly be a ZAPPA mk2 made in there somewhere so that i can mount the plate and work on them while worn I think.  It seems safer for the plates than pressing down on them and taking the chance of snapping them.


So, anyone with relevant experience care to either confirm my concept or correct me?  I am hoping to get started on that process come Tuesday.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [belt and pouches ordered - p23]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jun 04, 2012, 01:19 AM
Yea...drink the enitre can before you continue sanding-don't wanna be drinking Bondo-brew....  :laugh:


So you makeing a Tshirt/resined cast over Zappa for the side plates, then cutting them off and mounting them to the pre-existing carboard torso plates?   Which will then be resined and attached to the side plates?
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [belt and pouches ordered - p23]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 04, 2012, 01:50 AM
nope.  If I stretch the shirt over the tubes as I think it will, then the entire thing will be resined at the same time, not done in separate steps and then trying to attach hard parts to hard parts.  I think it will go much easier if I resin the whole lot at once, then trim the excess shirt where needed.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [belt and pouches ordered - p23]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jun 04, 2012, 06:08 AM
I suppose.....
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [belt and pouches ordered - p23]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 04, 2012, 11:17 PM
Liberty Tree emailed me today that they only had one of the Tokarev pouches in so they cut me a deal on shipping and got my email in time to add one of the belts in as well.  Total with shipping in is now $88 USD, Dresdon.  Though, admittedly, that is shipping to Washington and I'll run down one evening and pick it up when it comes in.  Shipping to Canada I think they said would have been $15 more.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [belt and pouches ordered - p23]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jun 04, 2012, 11:39 PM
No worries, couldn' afford them anyways
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [belt and pouches ordered - p23]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 05, 2012, 12:01 AM
 Iirc, the triple pouch was 20, not terrible but yeah.. I understand completely
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [belt and pouches ordered - p23]
Post by: Ghostwalker on Jun 05, 2012, 03:02 AM
after banging around your surplus store's site a bit I really like their WW2 Italian officer bandolier but it's waaay to pricey (~150$). But I also stumbled on something else I like that will hopefully stand in...
A Chinese made SKS stripper clip magazine pouch waist/chest belt.
I picked one up today at Omaha's Surplus for 26$, hope the canvas will take black dye alright.
That ought to make a smashing bandolier when filled with dummy magazines and mounted to my chest plate.

Yes Ducttape will work for resin work, same as ceran wrap.
Your plan sounds like it'll work but I have never used a shirt as a resin base. In theory a shirt's tight cotton weave will make for an amazing stiffening medium.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [belt and pouches ordered - p23]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 05, 2012, 09:11 AM
I have never used this surplus shop before, but they did have a nice selection and the prices were reasonable if maybe a couple dollars higher than ebay.  I saw that leather bandolier too and did a double take when i saw the price.

As for the shirt, i think the theory is sound.  I might get to start on it tonight
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [belt and pouches ordered - p23]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jun 05, 2012, 04:06 PM
Most wartime canvas pouches have this baugey coloured stuff on them that i think is for the mildew/rot?    You'd pronbably need to get that off before you can dye them...I would try a hot, thorough wash on them and them colour removed is optional....I dyed some wartime BrenGun mag poouches that had the baugey stuff on them and the dye did not do too good of a job. yes, they came out black, but the dye was not in there eniterly strongly. Hot wash, colour removal, dye in boiling water, maybe even a couple rounds of dye-that's what I would try......but I'm self-taught at 85% of my hands-on skills....so someone else may have better input than me though......

Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [belt and pouches ordered - p23]
Post by: Ghostwalker on Jun 06, 2012, 12:50 AM
Well the SKS pouch belt is Chinese made, Vietnam era.
It doesn't feel treated but I'll give it a good hot wash anyways.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [belt and pouches ordered - p23]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jun 06, 2012, 05:28 AM
What you amy lso get is one dyeing better than the other, that happened to me, again, with the BrenGun mag pouches,getting all the dust/debris/whatever else is on it off could also help with the dye's.......dyeing...procedure....and stuff
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [belt and pouches ordered - p23]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 10, 2012, 02:06 PM
Alright... Proof of concept!

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/2012-06-10093713.jpg)

Four coats of resin later I have started removing the masked areas and cut off the excess t-shirt.  The unit lifts as one piece and wold come off nicely if not for those pesky arms.  The weather has taken a dive and it is currently 10C outside so I can't get any more fiberglassing done right now anyway so ZAPPA has a slight reprieve and gets to keep his arms for another day.  I may lop them off this afternoon so I am ready to go when the weather warms.  Abs are formed and waiting for glass, so they are on hold until the weather cooperates as well.  That leaves gaunts and legs on deck.  Given their shape and design I an thinking cut PVC would be ideal for those with some bondo sculpting on the legs and some sintra work on the gaunts.  I'm thinking I should have ordered a second belt fro that company to use as matching leather strapping... hindsight is 20/20 I guess.

Also, for posterity, the pipe insulation made it through entirely intact and unscathed.    IN fact I even forgot to saran wrap it so it was bare insulation tubing under the shirt which was directly resined.  It pulled off the back of the finished resined shirt just as easily as the duct tape did with no visible ill effects. 



So work yet to be done, in no particular order, and excuses why they aren't done:


Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [One-Piece Upper Torso Formed - p24]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jun 10, 2012, 03:42 PM
So were was the shirt in all of this?...
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [One-Piece Upper Torso Formed - p24]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 10, 2012, 04:00 PM
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/2012-06-09123042.jpg?t=1339358269)

Perhaps that explains it easier than i could.  You can see the sculpted chest piece, the rest is resin-over-tshirt to make the sides and the collar.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [One-Piece Upper Torso Formed - p24]
Post by: ConDar Ward on Jun 10, 2012, 05:34 PM
You Sir , have a long neck .....   :laugh:  jk ...


I can't wait to see more of this build .... looks cool so far .......  8)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [One-Piece Upper Torso Formed - p24]
Post by: Serim Merec on Jun 10, 2012, 06:53 PM
Still not exactly sure what your doing with the t-shirt ??? but as long as it gets you approved it works for me (just don't expect me to try it  :-X )

Lookin' forward to more updates and don't bother trying to explain the t-shirt cuz I don't think I'll understand  ???  :P  :rolleyes:

Oya!  8)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [One-Piece Upper Torso Formed - p24]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jun 10, 2012, 07:48 PM
Still not exactly sure what your doing with the t-shirt ??? but as long as it gets you approved it works for me (just don't expect me to try it  :-X )

Lookin' forward to more updates and don't bother trying to explain the t-shirt cuz I don't think I'll understand  ???  :P  :rolleyes:

Oya!  8)

I believe he is using it to make the side pieces from. Resin the shirt and articulate it a bit were the sides are cut out of the shirt...or somethign like that
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [One-Piece Upper Torso Formed - p24]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 11, 2012, 09:33 PM
Alright.  I disarmed Frank and pulled the torso plate off.  Maybe these shots will better explain what I did with the shirt:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/2012-06-11180726.jpg?t=1339464038)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/2012-06-11180808.jpg?t=1339463931)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/2012-06-11180736.jpg?t=1339463922)


The chest and back which you saw previously made from pep models were attached to the shirt.  Any areas of the shirt which were visible between the two were  resined along with the chest and back plates so that when I trimmed away the non-resined parts of the shirt I was left with a one-piece upper where the chest and back were connected together.   On the inside you can see where the shirt is still pristine white, those parts currently lay under the pep parts; any yellowed areas that you can see from the inside is tshirt that has been resined and hardened.

The concept worked exactly as I had hoped with one weeeeeeeeee exception.

....

...

I forgot to account for my head.   I moulded the opening in the collar to fit my neck, not my head.   So I'll have to shave a bit off my cheeks, and my ears will have to go.  8)   Or I could cut eye slits in the chest plate, mount the helmet to the top and walk around as a 7' tall mando.... :P

I'll get on reinforcing the inside with fiberglass cloth tomorrow and gt the neck/head opening widened a bit after that.   oops  :P

There's always something I didn't think about beforehand... LOL  At least this one is a pretty easy fix; a little time with a dremel and it'll be right as rain.

Heading to the gym tonight so i likely won't get much work done, but back to the grindstone [or the Dremel, as the case may be] tomorrow.

Also, I've got the blaster almost to the point where I can show it off.  I still haven't figured out what separates a "modern" blaster style from a "crusader" style, but hopefully this time around will be a success.  then again.. maybe it will still be too "modern".  I want to get that sanded a bit more and all primed before I post it though, so hopefully tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [One-Piece Upper Torso Formed - p24]
Post by: Serim Merec on Jun 11, 2012, 09:56 PM
Ooookaay I get it now 8) those pics with it off of Zappa made it clear  ;)
Good job Zophar! Keep it coming and I'm sure you'll make C6!
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [One-Piece Upper Torso Formed - p24]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 11, 2012, 10:02 PM
Ooookaay I get it now 8) those pics with it off of Zappa made it clear  ;)

Glad to hear it.   Once I saw the inside I realized the pictured would explain a lot better than my words could.

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Good job Zophar! Keep it coming and I'm sure you'll make C6!

I just might, at that!



Also, over 6000 views.  Thanks for playing along at home, folks.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [One-Piece Upper Torso Formed - p24]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jun 11, 2012, 10:38 PM
what-not OVER 9000 yet?
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [One-Piece Upper Torso Formed - p24]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 11, 2012, 10:39 PM
what-not OVER 9000 yet?

... despite your best efforts... LOL
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [One-Piece Upper Torso Formed - p24]
Post by: Kel Toi on Jun 11, 2012, 10:41 PM
LOL Coming together mate ;)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [One-Piece Upper Torso Formed - p24]
Post by: Mav Nexu on Jun 12, 2012, 12:31 AM
I did that "neck size, not head size" thing with my first couple of vests. Took a few tries to get it right ;)

Doing great man. Excellent work.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [One-Piece Upper Torso Formed - p24]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 12, 2012, 02:55 AM
As hinted earlier, some blaster shots.  I'd like an official word on if this meets Crusader CRL requirements before putting any more time into it.  I know it needs more sanding [smoothing and the logo removal] and paint and all that, but no point going down this road if the design is not appropriate.  I hope that this shape/design is the final overall shape with only some smoothing and minor greebling needed.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/2012-06-11233851.jpg?t=1339483497)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/2012-06-11234004.jpg?t=1339483496)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/2012-06-11234037.jpg?t=1339483496)

The white stick will be part of the final design, it is not just there to support the barrel extension.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [Blaster Preview - p25]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jun 12, 2012, 08:57 AM
KotOR disruptor pistol style, BAM your in the clear.

see:  mandalorian desintegrator
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [Blaster Preview - p25]
Post by: Remo Jadd on Jun 13, 2012, 06:24 AM
I don't see why it won't work. I would possibly mod the magazine area some though make it a bit more of a power supply rather than a magazine.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [Blaster Preview - p25]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jun 13, 2012, 12:49 PM
Were the hell is page 25?.....
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [Blaster Preview - p25]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 13, 2012, 09:08 PM
Were the hell is page 25?.....
on my screen [and my laptop and my phone, so it isn't screen-size related] you are on it.. i fact, we'll be rolling over to p26 any post now I'd guess...


Been a busy week, no real updates since the blaster pics above.  I picked up a used airbrush set last night but the compressor needs a little work, I'll hopefully get that sorted out early next week and get cracking gain on the torso.  We're going camping this weekend so there won't be any work done after tomorrow.
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [Blaster Preview - p25]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jun 14, 2012, 05:54 AM
lol, mine only goes up to 8, I must have a way bigger........well, you know what I mean...

(not in the dirty way, i mean the amount of stuff that can be desplayed on the page)
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [Blaster Preview - p25]
Post by: Serim Merec on Jun 14, 2012, 12:52 PM
you've just got it set up to show more than 15 posts per page  :D I had it set to more for a little while but I changed it back because people would reference a page in a thread and it would be different for me and thus I couldn't find the awesome armor tips  ???
Title: Re: Late Crusader in planning [Blaster Preview - p25]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 14, 2012, 01:30 PM
you've just got it set up to show more than 15 posts per page  :D I had it set to more for a little while but I changed it back because people would reference a page in a thread and it would be different for me and thus I couldn't find the awesome armor tips  ???

Exactly.  I changed it back to default for just that reason
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Blaster Preview - p25]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jun 14, 2012, 08:42 PM
Meh...no biggy-I am working on a light-up display for my gauntlet screen using your etching method yout old me about, and I'll keep you informed of the resualts...

oh and I was pondering your C6 no-armour sit'iation and came to the conclusion that if it were me in your predicament, I would maybe just get the body armour done and let the helmet wait if need-be.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Blaster Preview - p25]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 14, 2012, 08:55 PM
no armour situation?   I've got the torso outside curing another coat of resin, the neck-hole properly sized and the sides trimmed to within a " of where I want them, leaving the little bit there for sanding/grinding later to shape. 

At this point, the helmet looks like the only issue I might have since I can't seem to get in touch with the guy who was working on the model for/with me...

I'll get working on the blaster while in curing time, but I only have an hour or so today to spend on this, then busy all weekend.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Blaster Preview - p25]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jun 14, 2012, 09:02 PM
Lol, lucky for me I have no school until thursday then I'm off. Not having a life helps that too  :laugh:     If my materials hold up, I can probably get all my upgrades done this summer, and obviously in time for h'ween...my deadline's july 28th though...  :-\    lets have a race!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Blaster Preview - p25]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 19, 2012, 08:25 PM
I don't suppose anyone has access to CyraxLionheart in person?  Trying to get in touch with him about my bucket and I can't get him on email.  :(  :-\

In other news: trial fit pictures in the very near future.  Possibly tonight.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Blaster Preview - p25]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 20, 2012, 02:04 AM
So I just got back from my friends' place fixing the compressor.  Turns out that, being an engineer, he did have the highly specialized tool needed for the job.. a bigger hammer.  Got the casing opened, replaced all the wiring and cleaned her out, put it all back together and one of the funniest coincidences in a VERY long time, within seconds of us throwing the power switch to test her out the power went out for a three block area.  LOL  Power came back on a few minutes later and the compressor ran like a champ.  So yay.. I have an airbrush to play with now.

Took longer than expected though and I need to crash for the night, so maybe test fitting pictures tomorrow after work.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Blaster Preview - p25]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jun 20, 2012, 02:07 AM
You ever notice that the port were the leads plug into on H-VAC compressors have the lil transformer that makes a good armour greeb?   used one for my com realy on the right earcap of my V3.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Blaster Preview - p25]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 23, 2012, 02:14 AM
Alright, so I had to learn a few new tricks and skills since it appears that we recently misplaced our CyraxLionheart.  I picked up the project from the last update he had sent me and I think I have the new bucket model completed and unfolded, ready to assemble.  A sneak peek:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/sketches/zophar4.png)

For those familiar with pepakura, that is roughly 90 parts printed over 22 LEGAL-sized pages.. I have my work cut out for me.  Or, rather, I wish I had someone to cut my work out for me :P  It is ging to be a challenge trying to keep all those parts organized and orderly through this build, but if I can get this thing together and looking like the rendering, I am going to be thrilled.

In my breaks I am also still working on reinforcing the torso armour and have the structure 90% done on the front and sides, and 50% done on the back.  I should be on to bondo and smoothing in the next few days.  I know I keep promising pics, but what can I say.. I'd rather be working than taking pics :P
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Blaster Preview - p25]
Post by: Serim Merec on Jun 23, 2012, 04:38 AM
Well I'm glad that you can atleast attempt to put it together! Can't wait to see it ;D
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Blaster Preview - p25]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jun 23, 2012, 09:25 AM
LOL, I added like half the `damn suit to my upgrades without updating any WIPs :P
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Blaster Preview - p25]
Post by: Jango Nova on Jun 23, 2012, 10:28 AM
Good luck with your Pep man... 22 pages is a long build lol
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Blaster Preview - p25]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 24, 2012, 01:27 PM
Good luck with your Pep man... 22 pages is a long build lol

The worst part is, it's my first time modifying a model and unfolding it.. and scaling it.   So I won't know if I screwed it up until I'm well into it.  LOL   Ah well.. here's to crossing my toes and hoping for the best :P  I think the largest build I've done so far was around 18 pages and around 80 pieces.. so this shouldn't be tooooo much more hassle as long as I unfolded everything alright.  I also have an organizing system set up to keep all my parts straight and easy to locate so once they are all cut and grooved [still using the cardboard so they have to be cut on all the folds as well] the assembly should just be a matter of time and waiting for glue to dry.

Shins/knees and gaunts should be a relatively easy affair with the design I laid out at the beginning, just wanting to wrap a couple of things up before I start on yet more parts.  I am planning on using PVC and sintra for them.  Boot armour will be fiberglass right over the [protected] boot so it is form-fitting so again, very quick and easy [in theory] to get that knocked out.  Which leaves me with a loin cloth, finish the blaster, and build a holster.  I am expecting to use Ohld Vahrt's blaster hanger idea rather than the initial plan of a holster integrated into the thigh plate.  If I am going through the trouble of making a pretty blaster, I want to show it off :P   My friend got back from his latest hitch and brought me a couple of b rass pipe fittings that would make really neat barrel ends so I may scrap my blater design and go with a different one, or I may just hang on to these and use them for a pair of blasters later... we'll have to see.

In other news, belt and pouches came in yesterday.   Well.. half of the pouches did, anyway.  There was a mix-up at the lab and the picker shorted me a set of pouches so they are shipping them out Monday.  I had them tack on three more matching belts that I figure I can cut down to use as straps for my gaunts and shins, that way it all matches and I don't have to weather the leather because it is actual milsurp WWII leather. Hooray for milsurp shops!  I keep eyeballing this canvas flare gun holster (https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=1610&idcategory=48) to use as a tool pouch... but then, everything else would be nice not-so-pretty leather and this one box of canvas... I think I'll just wait and get a leather one from  GreatSkyRiver Falco.  His newest offering looks almost dead on for this.  That will have to wait for a future upgrade though, given the (way-blown) budget and (hopefully not blown) time constraints.

I know, I know.. pics pics pics... not that anyone is still reading this thread or clamoring for pics of my ugly mug, but I like to think they are out there :P


[/wall of text]

Sorry about the wall of text.. I just had my first cup of coffee in two weeks and it's apparently gone straight to me head...   :o :P :-X :o
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Blaster Preview - p25]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jun 24, 2012, 01:55 PM
Lol, don't go emo over all that pep work.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Blaster Preview - p25]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 02, 2012, 02:26 AM
Alright, update time.  I have almost all of the parts for the helmet cut out and ready to start assembly.  I have also decided to cut my losses on the torso and shift directions for two reasons.  1) When I decided I didn't want the sides skin tight and added spacers, either my dummy form wasn't as tight as I thought, I've lost weight, the spacers were much bigger than they looked, or [most likely] a combination of the above.  The "breathing room" gap turned out to be so big I couldn't comfortably put my arms at my side, and with gaunts I'd have to walk gunslinger-style all day.   2) The sides are not symmetrical and I can't see them improving as I go.

So I am going to shelve the one-piece upper for a future upgrade and do this as a more traditional one piece chest with abs and a back plate, using straps between the chest and back.  I'd say that this piece works very well as a proof of concept for the pep-over-t-shirt idea and I will revisit the technique later.  I think this is a case of valid concept but flawed implementation.  In the top right picture you can see where I must have let the shirt wrinkle/wave under the first coats of resin so I ended up all wavy instead of a clean arc.

With that in mind, I have ordered a few more belts to cut down and use as the strapping so the straps will match my other leather parts and will already be weathered and ready to go.

Pictures of the soon-to-be-cut-up one-piece upper torso, for posterity sake:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-07-01230320.jpg)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-07-01230329.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-07-01230352.jpg)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-07-01230619.jpg)


Having company over all day tomorrow, so back to work Tuesday.  I'll be leaving it as one piece for a while longer to make it easier to work I think, but I'll get on a few spots that need more reinforcing then start bondo on it by mid-week.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Torso Update - p26]
Post by: Serim Merec on Jul 02, 2012, 02:40 AM
Well atleast you learned a bunch in making it  :)

I just can't wait till you get that helmet put together!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Torso Update - p26]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jul 02, 2012, 09:03 AM
OMG it's the canadain version of Conan O'brian!   jk jk



Well 'der ya go-you know; you could store a Camel-Pak in the recess of the back plate...


and don't be too concearned with teh torso looking like the ManBra, once you get the abs on/sculpted w/e the "ManBra" will blend in better....If you'd seen my torso plate bondo shenanigans you'd realise, lol.....
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Torso Update - p26]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 02, 2012, 01:13 PM
OMG it's the canadain version of Conan O'brian!   jk jk

Yeah.. got it gut yesterday, wasn't entirely thrilled by the comb-over she gave me but ah well.. hair is hair.

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you could store a Camel-Pak in the recess of the back plate...
that was the design and purpose  :D  this sardine thinks ahead when building his can.

Well atleast you learned a bunch in making it  :)

Absolutely.  The next one will improve, and the one after that, etc..

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I just can't wait till you get that helmet put together!

Then here's a teaser for ya:
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/2012-07-02095309.jpg)

all parts cut and sorted, assembly started.  I've got three whole pieces together so far!  only 87 left to go ROFL    I'm doing the horizontal ridge first to make sure the thing will fit, then I'll build the center of the dome to make sure it fits that way, then get on with it.  Try to minimize turn-around time if I didn't scale it well.  Getting the helmet done will be a huge weight off my back.. looking forward to this.

Last night while I had the torso on for those photos I also sorted out how I will be connecting the shoulder bells, so I'm a bit relieved that they will be fairly easy to attach.  I couldn't finalize that idea until I had the chest and back to test fit against.  Future reference, build the torso before the shoulders and you can form the latter to fit the former.   Hindsight is bloody obvious.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Torso Update - p26]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jul 02, 2012, 02:05 PM
I've been palying wround with the idae of puting a trap door on the backplate of my jetpack to store a water bladder with the hose lookng like a flamethrower hose-going to chop the ends of a SS braided faucet hose and shrink-wrap it to prevent fraying, then pass teh hose through with wire pulling lube  :laugh:     And...maybe like....have it run under the side of teh vest were the rest of it will be rolled up in a belt pouch or something....idk, jsut tossin' yoou some ideas  :)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Torso Update - p26]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 02, 2012, 02:16 PM
nah, no visible hoses for me on this kit.  I'll run the bladder in the backplate and run the hose under my balaclava/helmet skirt right into the bucket.  easy.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Torso Update - p26]
Post by: Serim Merec on Jul 02, 2012, 03:47 PM
Then here's a teaser for ya:
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/2012-07-02095309.jpg)

Okay I actualy laughed out loud at that! :P :laugh: I do not envy you in putting THAT together! :o ;)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Torso Update - p26]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jul 02, 2012, 04:46 PM
Thing about teh neck seal thing is that
1:concstrict movment/feel wierd and stuff
2: how are you gonna access it withing the helmet?...
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Torso Update - p26]
Post by: Bubba D. Fett on Jul 09, 2012, 01:18 AM
After seeing what Zophar has done so far in person, this is gonna be a sick kit when all is said and done
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Torso Update - p26]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 09, 2012, 01:37 AM
After seeing what Zophar has done so far in person, this is gonna be a sick kit when all is said and done


Thanks Bubba.  Along those lines, my mom used to have a saying which is awfully fitting for this weekend: "When all is said and done, more is always said than done."  LOL  I didn't get any real work done, but the affirmation from you vode was worth a LOT.  I'm very glad to hear that you folks liked where I was going with it and I'm looking forward to getting more work into it this week now.

For those who weren't there this weekend at the CK armor party, I unveiled my mk2 bucket:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/2012-07-02231534.jpg)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/2012-07-04205830.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/2012-07-04190401.jpg)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/2012-07-04190514.jpg)


Fiberglassing starts tomorrow.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [MK2 Helmet Unveiling - p27]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jul 09, 2012, 08:06 AM
Imight bring that fin bakc a bit so it sticks out towards the back a bit like a clone trooper helmet, looks damn good though  :D


You should paint the protruding mandible to look like tusks or soemthing....not walrus style, but slightly mytho style maybe....or fangs...idk


watching my early mornign cartoons and i got an idea(jk, I don;t watch TV anymore.....unless the TWD is on(the walking dead)
you could easily dubb the old 70s Scooby-Doo intro with like..."Cyrax lionhart were-are you, we''ve got some work to do now..............zophar needs that helmet so he'll be raedy for an attack"
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [MK2 Helmet Unveiling - p27]
Post by: Slade Kel on Jul 09, 2012, 09:00 AM
I've glanced at your thread here and there, but any questions you had seemed to have been answered by then so I refrained from just reiterating (if you had an unanswered and want my input, please feel free to re-ask :)), but I just wanted to say that when I saw that helmet the now, my initial reaction was literally, out loud, 'what the f--- is that monstrosity?'. However, it fits the Crusader mind-set and appearance to a T...so, well done ;D.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [MK2 Helmet Unveiling - p27]
Post by: Serim Merec on Jul 09, 2012, 01:12 PM
Once again excelent work ner vod! That's gunna be some kinda bucket when it's all 'glassed up and painted :D
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [MK2 Helmet Unveiling - p27]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 09, 2012, 01:51 PM
Thanks vode.  I went a wee bit in the other extreme and could have gotten away with a smaller scaling, but once padding is in there it should work well.  No complaints at the AP about bobble-heading so that's a good sign.  Once I get it glassed enough to be stable I'll post some better pics but as of right now it is not terribly strong.  Future reference: design pep models with visors intact and cut them out later like resin buckets do.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [MK2 Helmet Unveiling - p27]
Post by: Fennius on Jul 09, 2012, 06:15 PM
You wont get bobbleheadness, I was worried about that with mine which (to me) seems proportionally bigger (not counting mandibales), I have less bulky armour and even without shoulders mine seems okay.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [MK2 Helmet Unveiling - p27]
Post by: seugtai on Jul 09, 2012, 10:38 PM
I'm kinda on the fence with the new version of the helmet.  :-\ I think I'll hold out giving a final opinion till I see it with some of the other pieces.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [MK2 Helmet Unveiling - p27]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 09, 2012, 10:41 PM
I'm kinda on the fence with the new version of the helmet.  :-\ I think I'll hold out giving a final opinion till I see it with some of the other pieces.

You like the old one better?  When I first saw this one I was a little disappointed that it lost the organic curves and lost the Demagol inspiration I was initially going for, but as it came together it grew on me.

I appreciate the honesty!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [MK2 Helmet Unveiling - p27]
Post by: seugtai on Jul 09, 2012, 10:50 PM
It might grow on me too, that's why I'm still on the fence. But, yeah, I do miss the old one.
So how about a shot with the new helmet, chest and shoulders? -batting eyelashes- :laugh: ;)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [MK2 Helmet Unveiling - p27]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 09, 2012, 11:31 PM
I have not yet separated the chest and back, which is a fairly recent decision, and I was wanting to wait till I got the torso plates primed to get more pics up, but how can I resist when you ask so sweetly? :P

Disclaimers:  The horizontal of the T visor will be thicker/taller/wider [however you want to put that] and I know that the back is not symmetrical, that can and will be easily fixed by separating the back from the front as mentioned a few posts back.  I also plan on a two-ab-plate style with the lower one tucked a little behind the pouches but have to reshape them so they both fit with that belt.  The one in the pic is a paceholder/working-template which clearly needs to be reshaped.  More pouches came today but I missed the delivery so I'll have to run to the post office tomorrow to claim them.  The flightsuit still needs butt pockets removed and velcro or buttons to tighten the cuffs... there is a LOT of work yet to do...

without further ado:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-07-09200521.jpg)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-07-09200534.jpg)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-07-09200543.jpg)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-07-09200550.jpg)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/2012-07-09200556.jpg)

This is the first time I am seeing it all worn together also... A couple of things jump out, but i general I see heavy Rohlan Dyre influence which wasn't intentional but not at all undesirable and a couple of little things I notice right away, but please lay on.. other than the caveats above, what do you think?

I think maybe the 2" belt alone isn't going to cut it.  It gets marginalized by the hard parts and my gut.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Slade Kel on Jul 10, 2012, 08:52 AM
I actually kind of like it all together. As for the belt, with the more pouches and the longer ab plate, it'll probably look fine. I'd definitely go heavy on the pouches (dunno how many you had come in), and you might want to consider a 'belt buckle' of sorts. For example, on my legacy kit, I literally just cut out a piece of 14 gauge aluminum in a shape I wanted (in that case, the shape of the buckles worn by the legacy era mandos) and attached it to the front of the belt with velcro. Has nothing at all to do with the belt fastening, but it looks cooler than without it.

Otherwise, only issue I see is the back plate shaping, but there's plenty of time to get that sorted ;D.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 10, 2012, 08:58 AM
What is on there now is one unit of three connected pouches.  I have another 2 of those coming in plus a single smaller pistol-ammo pouch.  I think it should be enough, I don't want the entire belt covered in pouches for this kit I don't think.  The belt buckle is an idea I hadn't thought of. I'll toss that around a bit and see what I can come up with.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Slade Kel on Jul 10, 2012, 09:02 AM
Oughtta be plenty of pouches, and your welcome, always glad to help :).
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Jango Nova on Jul 10, 2012, 12:25 PM
I like how the bucket looks with the kit vod. This is gona look mean when you get it all done lol
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jul 10, 2012, 02:12 PM
omg vod!

if you still want the respirator cartridge style thinig going on, crack open one of those old spinny dial phones, the ones that have lead weights in them? the speaker looks like a respirator cartridge, and serves as a functional speaker(you jsut have to MAX the volume)
heres my speaker-helmet greeb that i posted on another thread about teh design theme for my DESTROYER....ignore the hunk pose and jsut look at the greeb rofl
(http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz28/Dresdon_Acacin/D-14hunk.jpg)
only thing about these speakers though is how to get them on, you would have to drill a hole about teh size of the palstic base ring and slide that into teh cheek and then use Ethyl2 Cyano acrylate maybe?       but yea, may ressurect your gas-mask look a bit maybe?
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 10, 2012, 08:32 PM
Oughtta be plenty of pouches, and your welcome, always glad to help :).

Got my delivery today and it appears my memory module is defective.  I got three additional matching belts to cut down for straps and only one additional set of pouches, not two.  I'd have sworn otherwise, but they only charged me for one so no big complaint either way.  So I have a set of three pouches on each hip and I'll likely do one large "tool pouch" in a drop-rig on my left thigh plate, but I think that is a future upgrade if at all.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: GreatSkyRiver Falco on Jul 10, 2012, 08:34 PM
wow!

thats starting to look like a kit! :D
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Bubba D. Fett on Jul 10, 2012, 08:38 PM
After seeing it up close I can honestly say his kit's amazing and pics doesn't give it full justice, when this kit is done its gonna be legen... wait for it... dary!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 10, 2012, 09:07 PM
After seeing it up close I can honestly say it's amazing and pics doesn't give it full justice, when this kit is done its gonna be legen... wait for it... dary!

Too kind, Sir, too kind.  I actually hadn't put it all on at once until these pics so I am  little surprised how well it has all came together Zophar so far. :P  Still plenty of work to do, but seeing it all together is nice.  It looks like it is further along than I had feared.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Serim Merec on Jul 10, 2012, 09:23 PM
...little surprised how well it has all came together Zophar so far. :P 

Okay that was "Punny"  :laugh:
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jul 10, 2012, 09:33 PM
The back looks a bit much wide, you could maybe put a 2" piece of webbing on the top of teh shoulders and have glued on snaps with another piece of 2" webbing somewere along the sides so you don't have the big wide back part?       resined stuff can be reformed via heatgun can't it? :-\
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 10, 2012, 09:41 PM
The back looks a bit much wide, you could maybe put a 2" piece of webbing on the top of teh shoulders and have glued on snaps with another piece of 2" webbing somewere along the sides so you don't have the big wide back part?       resined stuff can be reformed via heatgun can't it? :-\

it will be sorted when I separate the front and back.  Most of what you see making it look too wide in the pics are the sections that are being removed, plus a couple other bits will be trimmed down in the separation process to make the shapes work well together.  [[Oh teh noes!  I've become a Separatist?!?!one??] Cast resin can be reformed by heating, fiberglass resin can not.  Or at least, you SHOULDN'T be able to. LOL
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jul 10, 2012, 09:46 PM
I noticed, rofl.....and then when your all done you can buy a 1/6th scale marrionette and use some fiberglass and bondo to make an action figure of yourself.....that's what I'm going to do once I find something I am entirely pleased with for my kit......and the should webbing would be for easyer removal/flexing. I.e., you have 4 snaps on each side of teh colar plate and you just snap one end of the webbing on to the front or back(asumign that the other side of the webbing is permanently attached to the plate).
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 13, 2012, 10:03 PM
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/2012-07-13185406.jpg)
Caption:  "Well Hello, Clarice... "

Alright, that finishes the third coat of resin on the outside.  now for the fun part of laying cloth inside a tight space.

To explain the Hannibal Lecter additions, I marked the centers of the three front and center squares on top of the visor and hot-glued popcicle sticks to them using the centerlines to align the mandibles and visor top, as well as to create a consistent width on the T vertical.  Once it is solid and won't deform back out of shape I'll cut them off and all should be right and cheery in the world again. :D
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Bubba D. Fett on Jul 13, 2012, 11:27 PM
Lookin' goooooooooood
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: ConDar Ward on Jul 14, 2012, 12:53 AM
Brilliant ..  ;)


This will be some Buy'ce .....  8)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jul 14, 2012, 12:55 AM
excelent.....(does wierd tongue thing like he does in silence of the lambs)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 14, 2012, 02:51 PM
bah.   I forgot to liberate a box of gloves from work yesterday and just ran out so I'll have to run to wally world for a pack of overpriced latex ones.  Shame to waste the money, but I have a whole weekend free, it would be more of a waste to not get them.  I've been at it since the crack of dawn.  Back plate has it's second coat of cloth and is now ready for separation and bondo.  Helmet has four of the five coats of resin for the gelcoat and will get glassed this afternoon.  All materials for the legs are in my possession and I started cutting them out.  I'm just waiting on a heat gun to form them.  I'll hopefully be grabbing some sintra from Talren some time in the next week to use with the PVC bases I have here to sculpt the gaunts.  All soft parts acquired, that leaves boot plates to design/form [and possibly spats to go with them] and finish up what I already have working.. I may make CVI yet... maybe not as an OM, but quite possibly kitted out in something of good enough quality that I won't be embarrassed to wear it.   Perhaps.  I have also reserved all next weekend for working on the kit; told friends and family I'll be out of town camping, then the trip got canceled.. and I "forgot" to tell anyone that little part.  Two whole weekends to myself and my kit.  Progress shall be made.

Also, over 7000 views?  Thanks, vode.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Serim Merec on Jul 14, 2012, 05:26 PM
Hoo hoo sounds like Mr. Ptay is gunna have some FUN!

7000 views, 426 replys (including this one), and 29 pages! That's impresive, "MOST impresive"  :P
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 14, 2012, 05:57 PM
yeah, well.. most of it is banter and non-updates... in hindsight it would have been better to leave the thread for pics and take the chatter elsewhere, but oh well.   I may throw together a photo-only WIP when it is all said and done with the full progression of build images, leaving out all of the abandoned forks so that hopefully it could be of use to someone interested in trying this technique without having to wade through 20 pages of noise to find the 6 pages of info.  We'll see.   I have two other kits to get together after this one; another Late Crusader and a Legacy.. Maybe I'll leave this one as is and learn from my mistakes moving on.  It's tough doing something so out of the ordinary as a first time kit (first costume ever, first Mando design, and first time doing any fiberglass or pep work) so I've been a bit needy on the input making sure I am staying on the reservation with it.  I may be tapdancing on concertina wire, but I think I'm still technically on the reservation :P  In the future I'll be more sure of my footing I think.  And part of it is that I am still so new to this that I keep wanting to share every little thing which you ode have seen a hundred times, I'm sure.  Anyway, last of the reinforcing on the upper torso and the last of the gelcoat in the bucket are setting up now.  Lunch break while they cure then I can start in on the cloth layers inside the bucket. I'll likely call it a night at that point and start on the bondo work tomorrow, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jul 14, 2012, 06:13 PM
I've been in your position before.....but I only sleep 3hours a night so I may put waay too much thought into what to do on the 'gam....like putting an explosive dart launcher on the helmet "He can stare a man to death" well so can I...

Have you put much thought into armour-integrated weapons yet?
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 14, 2012, 06:16 PM
Have you put much thought into armour-integrated weapons yet?

I have, and they won't be on this kit.  My wife's likely will have extensive integrated weapon systems and some heavy weaponry [a gatling with rotating barrels is in the plans] but I don't have that kind of thing in this kit's future.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jul 14, 2012, 06:18 PM
I have a rotating gatling gun on my V$ right gauntlet  ;D      well, if I can get the motor glued onto the base/frame thing >.<
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 14, 2012, 06:22 PM
oh no... I'm thinking Jaro-style gatling.  *wicked Grin*  My V2 may be a heavy weapons loadout, I have so many ideas for fun toys... but this kit's heaviest might eventually be a carbine.  Anything heavier just doesn't fit the concept I have in mind for Zophar.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jul 14, 2012, 06:24 PM
I see.....everythiong on my armour/pieces of armour have a weapoonised purpose  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 19, 2012, 12:57 AM
I've been messing with some PVC pipe to make my leg pieces between coats of resin and bondo and realized that using the heat gun to bend and curve as I am, getting the pair to lok the same will be nigh impossible.  Solution?  mould one with the heat gun and use that one as a plug to lay resin and glass over.  Result should be two identical legs.  Lets hope my legs are symmetrical.  No pics yet, but hey.. too busy working.  Helmet is getting noticeably close to finished.  Lots of little divots and such to work out yet, but man is it coming together.  weather is supposed to be bad this weekend, maybe I'll get some pics in then.

We leave for CVI in 5 weeks... the timer is running.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Squirrel on Jul 19, 2012, 01:59 AM
That Helmet rocks. . .
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jul 19, 2012, 08:56 AM
My deadline is...(checks watch) 9 days.  :o


Good progress though. I suggest making both legs out of fiberglass, the PVC one will undoubtably behave differantly than the fiberglass one ...
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 19, 2012, 09:34 AM
That Helmet rocks. . .

Thanks vod :D

 
I suggest making both legs out of fiberglass, the PVC one will undoubtably behave differantly than the fiberglass one ...

Obviously.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 23, 2012, 08:21 PM
I went to a CK armor party this past weekend and got a lot of wok done on the bucket.  It's really starting to take shape.  I'll get some pictures up in another day or two when I get a nice day outside to take them, but to hold you over, here is a side-by-side of a 1:1, an MDSB XL, and my bucket for size comparison:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/2012-07-22083558.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/2012-07-22083422.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/2012-07-22083403.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/2012-07-22083443.jpg)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: amouro on Jul 23, 2012, 09:11 PM
I like your helmet a lot. reminds me a bit of the helmets from an old anime called super dimensional cavalry southern cross (http://zormaster.com/models/SC/SC8.JPG)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jul 23, 2012, 09:29 PM
Looks good, the mandibles remind me kind of the teeth on a mytho skull.....  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Azereth on Jul 24, 2012, 05:46 AM
I hadn't realized how beefy that helmet is until you did a side by side. :P 
 This kit is really starting to take shape.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 25, 2012, 08:46 PM
Nothing like a coat of primer for a demoralizing reality check.  I had thought that maybe I was getting close enough to think about paint this weekend.  I was wrong. :P  It is certainly coming along, but not that well, clearly.  I had left the mandibles for last intentionally, so I has expected those to need a good bit more work, the rest is getting there...  must.  work.  faster.  maybe my boss will let me call in sick for the next four weeks??  The CVI deadline is looking less and less possible.  I just don't have the time required to put into this for that timeline it seems.   Ah well, it was a goal, not the end of the world.  I can, at least, have a killer bucket to show off, at the very least... :D

Current state of affairs:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/2012-07-25172056.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/2012-07-25172048.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/2012-07-25172107.jpg)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Full kit-up w/ new bucket - p28]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jul 25, 2012, 08:52 PM
Oh.....you must sleep...take a lesson from Dresdon here, who hasn't slept in over 72hours. You are wasting like 9 hours sleeping! you could have all that sanding done in 9 hours of work!     COME ON, MAN!             

FAQ: Dresdon, are you insane, or on something?
ANSWER: Yes, I am completly insane-I needn't any pick-me-ups.

I spent 6 hours last night messin around with placement, components,, ect. in my own helmet, and now I will quite likely make my deadline(saturday and sunday Sci-Fi convention) because I gave up sleep.

C'mon vod, SAND THAT HELMET, I SAY-SAND!



flip through some KotOR comics for motivation if a kick in the shebs won't do it  ;D
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 25, 2012, 08:57 PM
sleeping isn't nearly as much of a time sink as working is....
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jul 25, 2012, 09:44 PM
I hear 'ya there vod
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Aug 05, 2012, 12:14 AM
suc'coy, vode!  I haven't run yet, I've just been less anxious to post every little detail now that I have had to admit that I can't finish this in time for CVI.  I've been taking it slower, getting things done correctly rather than rushing a deadline I'll regret, and catching up on some social life that I passed up on in my mad rush.  Work is progressing nicely though and here's a wee spoiler as proof:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/2012-08-04205225.jpg)

The dome is almost perfectly smooth and the mandibles are coming along.   There are some spots here and there, but it's coming along.  The stripes you see are where I finished the channels then filled them with weather stripping so they wouldn't get ruined.  The weather stripping will come out before I paint and it should look pretty good.


also, went to Salvation Army today looking for some summer clothes for the Orlando trip and found these, couldn't pass them up:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/2012-08-04204907.jpg)
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/2012-08-04204927.jpg)

yes, you read that right.  $3 each.  I don't know what I'll do with them yet, but how could I say no?



Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Aug 05, 2012, 12:34 AM
Pretty good price on the blasters, those are like $11.99 new-you put batteries in them yet?
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Aug 05, 2012, 12:38 AM
nah.  one rattles quite a bit when I shake it, I'm assuming the electronics are broken but didn't bother testing them.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Uneek Top'El on Aug 05, 2012, 10:38 AM
Awesome, good find, great price !!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Aug 05, 2012, 12:08 PM
Probably just part of the trigger. Before you go putting bondo on them, I suggest opening them up to investigate. The orange barrel parts light  up fance colours-worst case scenario you could put shiny tubes in them or some of them wooden dowels that look like DC-15 barrels.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Bubba D. Fett on Aug 07, 2012, 09:22 AM
that's cool
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Slade Kel on Aug 07, 2012, 09:45 AM
Nice work on cleaning up the helmet :). And better to admit defeat than trying to keep rushing it and making some sort of irrevocable mistake :P. I've seen people ruin hard work by insisting they could make a deadline that they couldn't. Picture, for example, knocking that helmet off of something and having it crack into pieces...not saying it would happen, but it could. Better to take it slower and get it done right.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Aug 08, 2012, 10:32 AM
Hey vod, what glue did you use to glue that paper? and did you use cardstock or just regular printer paper?
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Aug 08, 2012, 09:33 PM
Hey vod, what glue did you use to glue that paper? and did you use cardstock or just regular printer paper?

I used elmer's glue stick to glue the plain printer paper onto cereal-box-weight cardboard, cut the pieces all out, then used Aleene's Tacky Glue [purple bottle seen below]  [[Thanks Seugtai for the suggestion!]] to assemble the parts.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/2012-08-08160623.jpg)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Aug 09, 2012, 09:13 AM
M'kay thanks

Oh wow-the boards are back up faster than I thought!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Aug 11, 2012, 12:02 PM
sanding and spot filling and sanding and spot filling.  got the thing almost baby-bottom smoothe and realized there were a few points of asymmetry so I did a big fill and working it all back down again.

In other news, my father-in-law had a stroke yesterday.  He's in the hospital and likely not going to make it.  So our plans for CVI are likely to be canceled entirely now.  We'll put off the decision a day or two, but we were supposed to fly out this coming Friday so we can't wait too long to make the call.    So hey... bright side, at least I didn't rush to finish the kit just to cancel the trip anyway... I guess.. if there can be a bright side to something like this.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: ConDar Ward on Aug 11, 2012, 01:11 PM
 .....  Keep it up .... It will be Great .

Sorry to hear about your Father- in-law .
If there is any Consolation in it my Aunt is in the Same Condition as of Wednesday night .

 You have my full Support ....
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Aug 11, 2012, 01:17 PM
I'm not sure how to feel aboot that......but at leaste i won't be the only mando in Canada not going to CVI then...
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Aug 27, 2012, 08:43 AM
what an amazing trip.  getting ready to head home in a couple hours and have a new sense of motivation to get working again.  All you Mercs heading out, have safe trips.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: BobaFiend on Aug 28, 2012, 07:39 AM
Saw you walking around the Mercs bunker with this thing.  Was gonna say hi but I guess I got distracted by something.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Aug 28, 2012, 12:14 PM
yeah, there was plenty to distractions to be had :D
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Serim Merec on Sep 14, 2012, 01:10 PM
Bump ;) How's it goin' Zophar?
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Sep 14, 2012, 01:42 PM
Father in law had a stroke just before CVI, then we went on our trip, then i got the Con Crud which turned into a full-blown  sinus infection.  Still have the sniffles.  Short story long, no progress made.  Hope to start back on sanding this weekend perhaps.

Thanks for asking, though
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Serim Merec on Sep 14, 2012, 06:45 PM
Don't worry I understand :) Get bettter soon vod!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Sep 23, 2012, 02:01 AM
so a small update.   the aforementioned life issues have led to a second job.   work is being done very slowly, but that makes nine shifts per week right now and a major kick in the trews as far as energy levels.  Zophar Ptay isn't dead, he's just safely encased in carbonite at the moment.  I started painting my shoulders and the paint I had picked is a lot shinier and more metallic than I expected.  I'll see how much the matte clearcoat tones it down, then add the detail striping and get some pics up.   Still slowly sanding on the bucket, but I'm too much of a perfectionist for my own good.  I get it nice and clean then realize it's a little lopsided and go back to square two.  One day I'll decide it is close enough, but hey..  as my first girlfriend said, I'm worth waiting for, aren't I? ;) ;)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Serim Merec on Sep 23, 2012, 02:30 PM
Yeah we can wait! A slow build is better then no build ;D
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Niabi on Sep 23, 2012, 02:52 PM
Yeah we can wait! A slow build is better then no build ;D

and often gives the best results ;D 
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Sep 23, 2012, 03:20 PM
thanks vode.  I know I've lost a lot of thread followers due to thread-chatter and long waits, but it is still chugging along in the background.  I got plenty of good "reviews" at CVI and that really helped motivate me to keep with it, but the time just isn't there right now to power through it and get it done.  Those pesky bills have to come first and one can not simply collect bounties without a set of armour so I'll have to pay the bills in the kitchen as always. ;)


and often gives the best results ;D 


this is my theory as well.   If I were interested in a half-hearted kit it could have been done months ago.  The extra income is more than what my previous deficit was; in other words I went from time-rich and money-poor to time-poor and money-.. well.. money-acceptable :P      So I am looking at sourcing out a few parts to get a purchased kit together and working on this one still as a project.  I'm looking at maybe combining the Zebra Industries Orbiter (http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=53429.msg751959#msg751959)  with Ithica's McQuarrie Concept Fett (http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=48941.msg777582#msg777582) chest and back plates for a late crusader application.  Throw in some abs, shoulders, knees and shins and that is a solid start for a very unique and killer-looking kit I think. 
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: beccamay on Sep 25, 2012, 10:49 PM
So im FINALLY caught up with your stuff ! Im loving everything ! especially how dimensional your armor is :) and your bucket looks amazing !  :D
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: boomsha'kra on Sep 30, 2012, 11:17 PM
I still think the helmet was Uruk-hai inspired  :P  Great work on it so far - you're inspiring me to get back to work on my home-made helmet...after I finish up my current build!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Sep 30, 2012, 11:38 PM
Becca!! Welcome home!  The dimensional armour was a key aspect of my plan.  For one thing, it looks a lot more realistic than a 3mm plate laid flat; for another, it hopefully helps hide a wee bit of my pudge :P

boom:  It wasn't on my mind when I designed it but hey. if it inspires you then by all means picture it on an orc :P  My initial concept was Demagol with mandibles and a vader skirt and it went from there.  Thanks for reading!!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Feb 24, 2013, 11:28 PM
I fidn your lack of updats, desturbing.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Feb 24, 2013, 11:33 PM
no progress, no updates.    someone do a bloody "summer weather" dance and get this temperature up to fiberglassing levels...
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Feb 24, 2013, 11:35 PM
ah yes, of course. not to mention the moisture and humidity being a bith to work in when 'glassing or painting. messes up curing time >.<
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Feb 24, 2013, 11:37 PM
and nowhere indoors to work so I get the 9th floor balcony or bust.  cold, windy, wet, misting leaving spots on anything I paint... we were just looking at new paint today at the art shop.   Zophar isn't dead, he just hibernates in the winter :-P
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Rokeim Gekla on Feb 25, 2013, 09:03 AM
  Zophar isn't dead, he just hibernates in the winter :-P

i know the feelig :-p  except i get sub zero temperatures...
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Mahal on Apr 12, 2013, 02:29 PM
Bump bumpity bump
no progress, no updates.    someone do a bloody "summer weather" dance and get this temperature up to fiberglassing levels...
ah yes, of course. not to mention the moisture and humidity being a bith to work in when 'glassing or painting. messes up curing time >.<

Pffffft, I've lived in NB, and been to Vancouver in the winter, stop whining about the cold you two(though I can sympathize with the humidity complaints, Albertans don't take that well, or me and my aliit don't anyway).
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 12, 2013, 02:39 PM
Bump bumpity bump
Pffffft, I've lived in NB, and been to Vancouver in the winter, stop whining about the cold you two(though I can sympathize with the humidity complaints, Albertans don't take that well, or me and my aliit don't anyway).

I've lived in Denver and up in Alaska, comfortable for you and me is not necessarily good for laying and curing fiberglass...
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Mahal on Apr 12, 2013, 03:54 PM
comfortable for you and me is not necessarily good for laying and curing fiberglass...

I know, just thought I'd be a cynical chakaar and mention it.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Dec 30, 2013, 06:45 PM
Alright, I know most of you have given up on me, but I broke out the gear and scraped off the inches of dust and got back to work this weekend.   Life is more or less as normal as it is going to get and I'm itching to get some projects off my table.   Time for this bucket to meet its maker.  or this maker to meet its bucket... or something...

Assuming my resin hasn't died a slow, painful death over the last [holy crap has it been a year!??!!] I'll be posting progress pretty regularly now.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Serim Merec on Dec 30, 2013, 06:58 PM
Alright, I know most of you have given up on me, but I broke out the gear and scraped off the inches of dust and got back to work this weekend.   Life is more or less as normal as it is going to get and I'm itching to get some projects off my table.   Time for this bucket to meet its maker.  or this maker to meet its bucket... or something...

Assuming my resin hasn't died a slow, painful death over the last [holy crap has it been a year!??!!] I'll be posting progress pretty regularly now.

YES! ;D At last you have returned to us! :P Looking forward to the continuation of Mr. Ptay!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jan 14, 2014, 02:39 AM
I promise not to flood with one-shot updates, but proof I really am back in bla.. well.. .grey.     Another round of filler, sanding and priming tonight.  I'll stick with it.   I have one more spot in the back that I really need to work out and another little bump here and there but overall, I'm almost happy with it.  [[for those who forget, the stripes are temporary filler that will come out and be channels, not spots that need more sanding]]

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140113_232400_zpsxb4tk2xu.jpg)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Serim Merec on Jan 14, 2014, 01:47 PM
Man, that looks like a lot of sanding! :P
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jan 14, 2014, 06:26 PM
Yeah, I'm down to 400 grit wet sanding on most of it now... It's getting there
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Kraton Jax on Jan 27, 2014, 08:48 PM
your helmet is looking good! keep it up!! :)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jan 28, 2014, 12:24 AM
lol, welcome back....now 'git to work!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Mar 28, 2014, 04:32 PM
Sanding, painting, sanding, priming, sanding... nothing major enough to show in pics, but trying to get some of the angles better on the bucket and a few dips, divots, etc worked out and some minor delaminating of the 'glass I need to take care of... I'm working.. I promise.     I may switch modes and get to work on the chest now and call this "good enough for now" but I'm trying too hard to get it perfect... at least the chest piece would have pic-visible changes worth sharing.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p33]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Mar 28, 2014, 06:51 PM
proof of life:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140328_154355_zpsntlz3wue.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140328_154355_zpsntlz3wue.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140328_154349_zpsewiy4mu7.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140328_154349_zpsewiy4mu7.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140328_154248_zpsxnanitws.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140328_154248_zpsxnanitws.jpg.html)

You can still see the flaws but... meh.. maybe close enough for now...
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Ghostwalker on Mar 28, 2014, 08:00 PM
Unless You are going for a casting master... this looks better than most already, finish wise.
work with what pits are left when it comes time for weathering. a dab of silver with a toothpick, wipe excess and done. It'll look great.

I'd ask for the rest of the armor but .. well ... 2020?  ;D

Pad it, paint it, visor it and stick a fork in her. she's done.  8)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Mar 28, 2014, 08:09 PM
Had thoughts of using this as a master for a rotocasting since the solid fiberglass method weighs a good bit, but ibthink for now I'll put the sandpaper away.  Bucket band shoulders done, chest and back both started... I may be done in time for C36 at this rate!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Ghostwalker on Mar 28, 2014, 08:30 PM
Hey I cant talk too much... 3.5 years in the making and my gauntlets are STILL not done.
I HATE gauntlets. Seriously.

I'm moving on to painting and electronics for awhile though.
At this rate my gaunts and boot armor will be done in 3-4 years.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p30]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Mar 28, 2014, 11:34 PM
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140328_202802_zpscqc27hwu.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140328_202802_zpscqc27hwu.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140328_202809_zps4qegarbj.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140328_202809_zps4qegarbj.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140328_202813_zpszvoulimz.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140328_202813_zpszvoulimz.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140328_202815_zps9ujlz9ff.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140328_202815_zps9ujlz9ff.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p33]
Post by: amouro on Mar 29, 2014, 07:20 AM
next time take pics with the light to your face, not to your back. ;) the black helmet with black visor is especially hard to make out under bad lighting. from what I can see it looks really great
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p33]
Post by: Ghostwalker on Mar 29, 2014, 12:43 PM
doesn't really matter at this moment.
Shape,scale and fit look excellent bud!
Despite the mandibles you seem to have a good amount of movement.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p33]
Post by: Uneek Top'El on Mar 29, 2014, 05:01 PM
Yep that turned out really cool !! BRAVO !!  8)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p33]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Mar 29, 2014, 05:04 PM
Sprayed it with the metal-flaked bronze that I used on the shoulders last night before I got too dark/late to keep going.   I'll hit it with the matte clearcoat ans snap so.e pics when I get hone later.  Chest is about 3/4 done but lots of sanding to do then I'll have a trial-fit-worthy set chest/shoulders/bucket.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p33]
Post by: Ghostwalker on Mar 29, 2014, 07:39 PM
I am a big fan of "oil rubbed bronze" hammered metal flake rustoleum and similar colours of that line.
Just going beyond the usual matte black and generic silver is a huge payoff.
People remark upon the difference quite often, most times not even really being able to verbalize what it is that is so distinctly different.

For small areas try a can of Testor's metalizer range. Mindblowing how wetsanded anything can be made to look like actual metal with "little" effort.
I say small areas because its pricey stuff in teeny tiny spraycans.

Anyways... pictures man pictures...
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p33]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Mar 29, 2014, 07:45 PM
I have the oiled bronze in the trigger spray can as my primary color.   Love the look.   Dust it with matte black then a matte clear coat.  I'm at work, pics when I get home.

I was thinking of trying the rub-n-buff satin nickel color for the mandibles and some accents here and there
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p33]
Post by: Ghostwalker on Mar 29, 2014, 08:35 PM
Spanner used rub'n'buff to great effect! if i recall correctly its how he did all his blaster scorch marks.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p33]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Mar 29, 2014, 08:37 PM
Aye.  And there have been some great RnB buckets too (The original Recon, IIRC was entirely RnB)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p33]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Mar 29, 2014, 10:48 PM
home now an tried to do a black dusting but the can started sputtering and I ended up more... polka dot than dust so I laid another bronze coat.  I may have to just do a charcoal powder rub instead.   Bronze coat still wet and shiny:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140329_194105_zpsfno5tcfc.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140329_194105_zpsfno5tcfc.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140329_194052_zpsn3fbbyg5.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140329_194052_zpsn3fbbyg5.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140329_194122_zpsnb9jswy7.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140329_194122_zpsnb9jswy7.jpg.html)

^^ Chest and back pieces in the background ^^
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140329_194141_zpsm4isippj.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140329_194141_zpsm4isippj.jpg.html)

the rough-looking lines are masking for black stripes
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket update - p33]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Mar 30, 2014, 12:07 AM
there will be a very thin stripe of purple alongside the black, which will take up what is currently wider than the channel and the black needs a touchup where the weatherstripping's adhesive was stronger than expected, but all in all, i'm just waiting for the last purple pinstripes then matte clearcoat and a very light weathering.

the unmasking:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140329_205333_zpsd3fspapb.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140329_205333_zpsd3fspapb.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140329_205335_zpsqpvrejql.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140329_205335_zpsqpvrejql.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140329_205338_zpsealo8g7o.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140329_205338_zpsealo8g7o.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140329_205749_zpsool5l3h9.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140329_205749_zpsool5l3h9.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140329_205752_zps053qhcnu.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140329_205752_zps053qhcnu.jpg.html)



... or I could leave it as is and put a fleur-de-lis on the earcaps.... Who  Dat?!  LOL
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket almost done - p34]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Mar 30, 2014, 01:59 AM
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140329_223611_zpscmbqn1rh.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140329_223611_zpscmbqn1rh.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140329_223603_zps9dupumr0.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140329_223603_zps9dupumr0.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket almost done - p34]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Mar 30, 2014, 02:43 AM
I know... now you wish I'd just go the frack away.   I decided to kit up before bed and get some shots of my kit in its current condition.   My waifu helped tape on the shoulders, the "padding" in the bucket is a pair of gloves on my head, and the visor is just tucked into the bucket, not cut and mounted so the spacing is a tad off all around, but as a general idea, I present you my State of the Mando Address:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/IMG_20140329_233130_zpsdmgykkkm.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/fittings/IMG_20140329_233130_zpsdmgykkkm.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/IMG_20140329_233033_zpsxbcssusg.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/fittings/IMG_20140329_233033_zpsxbcssusg.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/IMG_20140329_232956_zpsxabu9sad.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/fittings/IMG_20140329_232956_zpsxabu9sad.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket almost done - p34]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Mar 30, 2014, 07:48 AM
Oooo looks great!

If you need thick padding layering EVA foam works great.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket almost done - p34]
Post by: Ghostwalker on Mar 30, 2014, 11:32 AM
i use mattress topper. bought a twin sized one from walmart 4 years ago for like 5$ and i still have half of it...  ;D
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket almost done - p34]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Mar 30, 2014, 01:11 PM
For the sake of circulation and fitting in lots of electronics, I plan to try a suspension system from a hardhat first.  I left 2" at the top and about the same un the back for airgap, padding and electronics
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket almost done - p34]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Mar 30, 2014, 02:08 PM
question and request for opinions:   I had intended to do the abs entirely hard but having taken some time off and coming back, I'm thinking of a taking a slightly different tack.  in the picture below I am thinking of mounting the abs to a leather girdle/corset/WWF-World-Championship-Belt type thing with the fasteners hidden away under the back plate.   Anything brown in the picture below would be solid leather

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/armourmk2-mods_zpsb951e017.png) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/armourmk2-mods_zpsb951e017.png.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket almost done - p34]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Mar 30, 2014, 04:18 PM
I think thats a good plan, I say go for it. You could put a couple weightlifting belts together and then some 8-10oz leather to for the main shape of it.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket almost done - p34]
Post by: Mahal on Mar 30, 2014, 07:24 PM
Ner vod, inac buy'ce shabla meyshla bid haran. This is going to be pretty impressive when it's done; looking forward to it.
trans. That helmet is freaking beautiful
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket almost done - p34]
Post by: Kraton Jax on Mar 30, 2014, 10:50 PM
Wow really cool helmet!! And i really like the armor plan!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket almost done - p34]
Post by: Niabi on Mar 31, 2014, 02:23 PM
Bucket is looking Great ;) and nice progress on the Plates ;)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket almost done - p34]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 01, 2014, 06:40 PM
Helmet is as good as it is going to get for now so while the weather is nice, I'm moving on to my torso.    Back piece waiting to cure.   one or two more skins of filler then I'll be switching over to the spot putty and filler primer.  I've learned better than to predict an ETA so... yeah.   progress!

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140401_151810_zpshe4dodts.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140401_151810_zpshe4dodts.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket almost done - p34]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 03, 2014, 02:17 AM
Sorry for flooding you vode, but I'm thinking with my penchant for getting distracted, I figure constant stream of updates may keep me moving.   I made some wicked awesome progress on the back.   I'm calling it done; I've fixed the rough-looking wing on the bottom and I'll be cutting it off at the vertical line so didn't go further than that.  started to mud up the chest tonight but too late for pics.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140402_160352_zpswm8hor1g.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140402_160352_zpswm8hor1g.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket done, back started - p35]
Post by: Serim Merec on Apr 03, 2014, 02:43 AM
Dude, you're SO close! 8) :D Git'er doooonnnee! :D
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [back done - p35]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 04, 2014, 01:14 PM
Back is finished and primed, going to wait until I detach it from the chest before painting.  Working late tonight so I'll pick up with the chest this weekend!

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140404_100901_zpsbvlnsxym.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140404_100901_zpsbvlnsxym.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140404_100856_zpsdibsvr7c.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140404_100856_zpsdibsvr7c.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140404_100851_zpsocjd7ysw.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140404_100851_zpsocjd7ysw.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket done, back started - p35]
Post by: Niabi on Apr 04, 2014, 02:42 PM
looks smooth vod ;)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket done, back started - p35]
Post by: Squirrel on Apr 08, 2014, 07:40 PM
Very cool! 8)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket done, back started - p35]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 08, 2014, 08:01 PM
Thanks, Squirrel!   Chest is several coats in at this point and I am starting to work on my blaster again between drying sessions.  Looking for opinions on the barrel end.   I found a few greebs I like but not sure which way to go with it.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/IMG_20140408_165125_zpsyc9xazvs.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/blaster/IMG_20140408_165125_zpsyc9xazvs.jpg.html)

or

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/IMG_20140408_161941_zpsvf0qnfgw.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/blaster/IMG_20140408_161941_zpsvf0qnfgw.jpg.html)

but why choose, eh?

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/IMG_20140408_165700_zpsjzfdxwf7.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/blaster/IMG_20140408_165700_zpsjzfdxwf7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket done, back started - p35]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 09, 2014, 06:17 PM
The chest plate is taking shape.  I hope to have some paint down on it this week but the rest of the week will be crazy at work so we'll see what comes to pass.


time lapse:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140401_151810_zpshe4dodts.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140401_151810_zpshe4dodts.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140408_101036_zpsfhlwm37w.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140408_101036_zpsfhlwm37w.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140409_145437_zpsbmedbkg5.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140409_145437_zpsbmedbkg5.jpg.html)

I like to switch to blue filler hardener every few skins of filler to get a better idea of how much I'm actually building up with each successive layer.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket done, back started - p35]
Post by: Squirrel on Apr 09, 2014, 08:36 PM
Cool idea!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket done, back started - p35]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 09, 2014, 09:03 PM
and, after saying that I went and primed it before taking a picture to demonstrate my intent on that one.    It is really coming together and I got excited :-P

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140409_175437_zpscbzxhejr.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140409_175437_zpscbzxhejr.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140409_175413_zpsaawfkg7r.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140409_175413_zpsaawfkg7r.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140409_180048_zps3jgxpfhl.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140409_180048_zps3jgxpfhl.jpg.html)


I think I'll be laying the flat black base coat tonight, may even have it bronzed before bed, if all goes well.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket done, back started - p35]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 09, 2014, 09:14 PM
You gonna trim the sides off and do leather?
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket done, back started - p35]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 09, 2014, 09:19 PM
yup, that's the plan.  I'll take a hacksaw to it once it is all painted and ready to go, then add an over-the-shoulder strap and one around my gut.   I figured it would be easier to sand and paint as a single unit though.  Besides, this let me knock the backplate around and chip up some of the paint for easy weathering while working on the chest :-P
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket done, back started - p35]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 09, 2014, 09:49 PM
Id reccomend using a diamond wheel on the dremal, the hacksaw might be too rough and delaminate the layers?
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket done, back started - p35]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 09, 2014, 09:50 PM
I think I'll be alright with the super fine tooth blades I have.  It will be too awkward of an angle to get the dremel in where I'd need to I think
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket done, back started - p35]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 09, 2014, 10:06 PM
that reminds me, Mastercrap makes 90* Dremal heads that you screw onto the end of your dremal where the collar fitting is so you can get into hard to reach places like when dremaling something on the inside of a helmet or in gauntlets.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket done, back started - p35]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 10, 2014, 02:30 AM
Trimmed the visor and internal padding tonight.  A picture directly under a 100W light bulb:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140409_232333_zpsagmt8igb.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140409_232333_zpsagmt8igb.jpg.html)

and a selfie with the flash directly on the visor:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140409_232348_zpsc8gkws7w.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140409_232348_zpsc8gkws7w.jpg.html)

No seeing through the visor from the outside but is the foam weather stripping I used for mounting it going to fly?

Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket done, back started - p35]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 10, 2014, 02:07 PM
The foam looks way too thick to work(i.e. its too visible) Id reccomend using the thin 2sided mounting tape if you use tape. I personally used hotglue but like the really hot hotmelt ones so they don't break off.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket done, back started - p35]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 10, 2014, 04:04 PM
The problem is the complexity of the bucket.  It isn't a bend-and-glue like a standard modern bucket.  There are several complex curves and depth changes that it is nearly impossible to get exact and the foam makes it manageable and looks far better than without.  Also planning on some EL wire around the trim so I'll need gap for that as well
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket done, back started - p35]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 15, 2014, 04:40 PM
I like to switch to blue filler hardener every few skins of filler to get a better idea of how much I'm actually building up with each successive layer.

Cool idea!

Sprayed some primer and did some spot filling, sanded it back down and realized I had the perfect visualization of this now.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140415_130836_zpsvzyawc5o.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140415_130836_zpsvzyawc5o.jpg.html)

Note the grey areas which are down to bare fiberglass, darker pink was the first layer of bondo, then light pink, blue, light grey and finally dark red.  Pretty good way I've found to visualize the current height you've built something up.


I hit it all with some 400 grit today so hopefully when the last few little spots of spot putty dry I'll be painting tonight.

== update ==

Black base coat laid:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140415_181208_zpsa2stzxpj.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140415_181208_zpsa2stzxpj.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140415_181204_zpsr3olukmi.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140415_181204_zpsr3olukmi.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140415_181157_zpstbusgav8.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140415_181157_zpstbusgav8.jpg.html)


====  update  ====

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140415_202400_zpsx9z3c6lx.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140415_202400_zpsx9z3c6lx.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140415_202404_zpssc8rfi66.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140415_202404_zpssc8rfi66.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140415_202421_zpsq2vp1nvf.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140415_202421_zpsq2vp1nvf.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Niabi on Apr 16, 2014, 04:12 PM
That paint looks Gorgeous ;) 
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 16, 2014, 06:10 PM
Yeah, I'm happy with it.   Almost a shame to have to beat it up :-P    I'm planning on a Jango-level weathering though.   Just multiple layers of various washes, not chunks taken out and huge paint-stripping skidmarks.   Zophar isn't a frontline soldier, he has a support role so no reason to have chunks out of his beskargam.  He won't be polishing his kit, but he maintains it.  The knees will be pretty heavily weathered and the back will be weathered a bit more heavily than the front in keeping with someone who is opening access panels and crawling around in tighter spaces, I think.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 17, 2014, 02:18 AM
Theme song for the night:  Gotta Keep 'Em Seperated (http://youtu.be/8FWdQVNeTlI)


Zophar is really starting to take shape!!


(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/IMG_20140416_230809_zps9wrqykbs.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/fittings/IMG_20140416_230809_zps9wrqykbs.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/1e56ef55-d044-40c1-9ec1-25533e661e6f_zpsf872e8d5.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/fittings/1e56ef55-d044-40c1-9ec1-25533e661e6f_zpsf872e8d5.jpg.html)


I guess the shin-knees are next on the docket.   Planning to make a PVC master then fiberglass casts.  We'll see how that works out.   Leather for the strapping is in hand and lasercutter templates are laid out for the blaster parts.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: amouro on Apr 17, 2014, 01:44 PM
Was the faceted look of the chest plate the original plan? That's cool if it is. To me it just strikes of a low poly model being used to form a curved surface but having never been fully smoothed out. Like I said, cool if that's what you had in mind. It looks good, I was just expecting it to end up smoothly curved.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 17, 2014, 01:51 PM
If you can see the three horizontal segments, the plan had been for the top two to be a smoothe curve with an angle to the third.... if that makes sense.   While working on it I realized that it would require a full restart to get that with the method I used so I finished this one off.  I didn't think it was THAT obvious.  Hopefully it's just the lighting that makes it jump out that bad...

It's on the "upgrade list" .... is it sad that I have an upgrade list already going and haven't even finished the kit yet?
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: amouro on Apr 17, 2014, 02:27 PM
Ah so you wanted 2 horizontal hard edges across the chest, with a smooth curve from left to right? that makes sense. You could probably still do this. you'd need to build up some fiberglass on the back side where the high corners of the facets are. then grind the front of the corners until you form the curve you were looking for.

But it does look good enough for now. I don't see anything wrong with putting that on your upgrade list. I'm honestly kind of torn on it. Part of me says "oh the facets are kind of cool" while another parts says "no that aught to be curved". :P
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 17, 2014, 03:00 PM
I'm in the same boat and, yes, that is the way to fix it.   I'm not sure it is worth the work right now for something that frankly isn't kicking me in the teeth.  It isn't 100% what I was going for, but I don't think it is BAD either.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 18, 2014, 02:55 AM
My squire put the shoulder on WAY too high, and it took so long to get that far that I just let it slide and left the other one off for the pic.  The point of the shoulder should sit roughly at the edge of the chest as it does in my profile pic, so shift it outward a good 4", but you get the idea.  She's an ewok, what's she know about beskargam?   :P

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/IMG_20140417_234412_zpso1yklxzw.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/fittings/IMG_20140417_234412_zpso1yklxzw.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 19, 2014, 12:51 AM
Right gauntlet started and almost finished today.   Fill in that wee crack, drill holes for some LEDs on the face like in the initial sketch and add straps and I'll call it good.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140418_214036_zpslspjpewk.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140418_214036_zpslspjpewk.jpg.html)

also mocked up the left gaunt and started construction.


Left gaunt:
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/leftmodel_zpsdd04840a.png) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/leftmodel_zpsdd04840a.png.html)

Right Gaunt:
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/rightmodel_zps24f1178f.png) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/rightmodel_zps24f1178f.png.html)

Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 22, 2014, 02:09 AM
Filled all the gaps and cleaned up the spots that needed cleaning on the right gaunt, then sprayed it metallic "satin nickel", then flat black.   I think the gaunts will be one of the few heavily weathered spots on the kit.  They'll be matte black with metallic silver showing underneath worn edges.  Seems fitting....Waiting for the black to dry and I'll get on the weathering tomorrow.  LED parts haven't come in yet so no electronics for the time being, but they'll be wearable.

A shot of round two with the filler on the left gaunt.  The horizontal line you can see a nice, filled, flush section from round one.
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140421_232733_zpsmh1ciumg.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140421_232733_zpsmh1ciumg.jpg.html)


==Edit ==

Meh, the right gaunt's weathering didn't come out at all how I wanted it to.   Sprayed silver and starting over.   m ay just go with Jango weathering on that too.,,,
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Serim Merec on Apr 22, 2014, 03:31 PM
Woohoo! Much progress! ;D Keep it up and you'll be the go-to bondo guy in the clan! :laugh:
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 22, 2014, 08:45 PM
While waiting for the putty to cure, I'm trying to decide what I want showing on the "display" on my gaunt.   
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140422_002445_zpsudzmk9s4.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140422_002445_zpsudzmk9s4.jpg.html)

Current concept:  a height map of the surface of Titan and some not-so-random Mando'a script.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 22, 2014, 09:40 PM
started weathering the shoulders
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/shoulder/IMG_20140422_183846_zpsl3okgrd5.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/shoulder/IMG_20140422_183846_zpsl3okgrd5.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/shoulder/IMG_20140422_183554_zpshaj02vxq.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/shoulder/IMG_20140422_183554_zpshaj02vxq.jpg.html)

== Update ==

Weathered Shoulder
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/shoulder/IMG_20140422_193429_zpsyvs62oct.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/shoulder/IMG_20140422_193429_zpsyvs62oct.jpg.html)

Weathered Chest
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140422_193417_zpsybwlccb9.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140422_193417_zpsybwlccb9.jpg.html)

Weathered Right Gauntlet
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140422_190330_zpse5fkpgu6.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140422_190330_zpse5fkpgu6.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 23, 2014, 02:06 AM
Over-shoulder strapping ready to go.   I didn't want to mess with trying to line up where I attached the bolts on the armour with the holes in the straps so I used JB Weld.   I made a block and pressed the bolts into it, let it cure fully, then unscrewed the bolts leaving a threaded two-bolt "nut" with perfectly spaced holes.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140422_230316_zpsfxcmkl7b.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/torso/IMG_20140422_230316_zpsfxcmkl7b.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 23, 2014, 09:41 PM
Stainless Steel THE brand for THE win!
(all the fasteners on my mk5 are THE  8) )

btw, did you just put jb onto the bolts threads or did you put jb onto nuts that were on the bolts?
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 23, 2014, 09:48 PM
First I tries it with acorn nuts but it didn't hold well.  This run is directly on the threading of the bolt, cured then removed the bolt.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 23, 2014, 09:55 PM
I would use a couple normal stainless nuts stacked together and then put the jb over them....but thats just me...
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 23, 2014, 10:20 PM
I figured the acorn nut had more surface area and couldn't foul the threads but it didn't bind well.  This method worked like a charm
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Kraton Jax on Apr 24, 2014, 10:59 AM
Wow vod! Beautiful work as usual! I like the gaunt display!! :)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [bucket done, back started - p35]
Post by: AGConstrux on Apr 24, 2014, 04:05 PM
Trimmed the visor and internal padding tonight.  A picture directly under a 100W light bulb:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140409_232333_zpsagmt8igb.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140409_232333_zpsagmt8igb.jpg.html)

and a selfie with the flash directly on the visor:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140409_232348_zpsc8gkws7w.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/helm/helmV2/IMG_20140409_232348_zpsc8gkws7w.jpg.html)

No seeing through the visor from the outside but is the foam weather stripping I used for mounting it going to fly?

I would try a clear epoxy over that weatherseal foam...it'll take some time and effort to maneuver the bends and depths, but it'll be worth it is the end of actually being approved by the app team.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 24, 2014, 05:35 PM
Yes what Adenn said, you could built up a flat area via epoxy putty for the visor to rest on and it would probably make the differance between Approval and Rejection...
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: AGConstrux on Apr 24, 2014, 06:07 PM
Yes what Adenn said, you could built up a flat area via epoxy putty for the visor to rest on and it would probably make the differance between Approval and Rejection...

Either that, or, since your mask area is pretty angular, you could try your hand at creating angular points in the visor (IE: cutting up a spare visor piece and piecing your visor together, one section at a time) using said clear epoxy adhesive (5 minute quick drying works best)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 24, 2014, 08:32 PM
I would try a clear epoxy over that weatherseal foam...it'll take some time and effort to maneuver the bends and depths, but it'll be worth it is the end of actually being approved by the app team.

oh yeah.   I don't intend to apply in this state, I just needed to get the shape down before permanently mounting it.  The white 2-sided mounting tape will absolutely be gone.   I was thinking of mounting a few bolts into the bucket at the stress points and bolting the visor in so I can replace it as desired.  I was also thinking of hitting it with a quick run under a heat gun while taped in shape to hopefully give it a chance to form a bit to reduce the stress at certain points where it is being bent.  Once formed I might hit the visible edges of the foam with something like spot putty or epoxy so it has a hard smooth face, but that will add a LOT of extra work trying to work that flush into the existing bucket, a full repaint, etc...
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: AGConstrux on Apr 25, 2014, 11:32 AM
oh yeah.   I don't intend to apply in this state, I just needed to get the shape down before permanently mounting it.  The white 2-sided mounting tape will absolutely be gone.   I was thinking of mounting a few bolts into the bucket at the stress points and bolting the visor in so I can replace it as desired.  I was also thinking of hitting it with a quick run under a heat gun while taped in shape to hopefully give it a chance to form a bit to reduce the stress at certain points where it is being bent.  Once formed I might hit the visible edges of the foam with something like spot putty or epoxy so it has a hard smooth face, but that will add a LOT of extra work trying to work that flush into the existing bucket, a full repaint, etc...

Be careful using the heat gun...lowest setting always...is it welding shield you are using? If so, I would recommend trying your hand at making the bends with a clear shield (harbor freight has them for usually under $10), creating the shape you need with that, and then using that as a mold for remaking the tinted visor, via cutting and epoxying into place with all the proper bends planned out via the clear visor <-----so much easier to explain in person...
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 25, 2014, 12:57 PM
<-----so much easier to explain in person...

I see what you are saying and i had a similar thought.   I'm concerned that I won't be able to get a smoothe, clean join at the various bends and it will just look like osik.  I was thinking heat gun on low and JUST long enough to hopefully set the current position into its "memory".  It is a welding/face shield an I picked up a couple clear ones and a few spare tinted ones to practice on.  The one in there now is the "solid maybe" and "functional but not great" that i have left in for the time being so I can work on other things and not feel like I completely abandoned the bucket :-P  I plan to revisit it in the near future
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Niabi on Apr 26, 2014, 05:31 PM
Thats some nice weathering on your plates vod ;)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 27, 2014, 01:15 AM
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140426_221338_zpsx6prpawn.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140426_221338_zpsx6prpawn.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140426_221351_zpsrvos8rkc.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140426_221351_zpsrvos8rkc.jpg.html)

Greens are solid, red blinks.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Apr 27, 2014, 08:41 AM
Oooo I like the jewlled indicator lights-nice touch
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Nirob on Apr 27, 2014, 02:47 PM
Great job you did on that costume so far. Very inspiring.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 27, 2014, 03:16 PM
Oooo I like the jewlled indicator lights-nice touch
Great job you did on that costume so far. Very inspiring.

Thanks Vode.   I'm swinging by Home Depot after work today to grab some self-tapping finishing screws to mount the strapping to the gaunt and waiting on some bits and bobs to come in to finish the electronics.  I put a hole in the bottom between the strap locations and the plan is to grommet the flight suit sleeve, mount a 9V battery inside each shoulder plate [plenty of room] and run the wiring inside the sleeve with a 2-pin JST connector [AKA the connectors used for motherboard fans] on each end so it can be removed easily.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [chest painted - p36]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 28, 2014, 12:48 AM
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140427_213339_zpsjkdzh8ne.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140427_213339_zpsjkdzh8ne.jpg.html)

And while the resin cures on the lens assemblies, I strapped them up using WWII era leather belts

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140427_221314_zpsyernktuc.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140427_221314_zpsyernktuc.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140427_221321_zpsc6uugnob.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140427_221321_zpsc6uugnob.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140427_221336_zpsetcjh8fu.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140427_221336_zpsetcjh8fu.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Apr 30, 2014, 08:46 PM
Fruits of today's labour:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/IMG_20140430_174427_zpsdrjc9yeu.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/IMG_20140430_174427_zpsdrjc9yeu.jpg.html)


Soldered up an amp for each earpiece, a voice amp, a voice changer, and a good chunk of the gauntlet's lights.   Heading out for dinner now then I hope to finish the gauntlet tonight.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 02, 2014, 12:33 AM
One gauntlet completed and wired up.

Letin' it all hang out:
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140501_211021_zpsporyxs9f.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140501_211021_zpsporyxs9f.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140501_211020_1_zps8sehwhww.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140501_211020_1_zps8sehwhww.jpg.html)

stuffed like a sausage:
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140501_211650_zpswbrbltsq.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140501_211650_zpswbrbltsq.jpg.html)

ready to rock
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140501_212951_zpstqusir4l.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140501_212951_zpstqusir4l.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140501_212949_zpsghnavkud.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140501_212949_zpsghnavkud.jpg.html)

 8) 8) ;D ;D 8) 8)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Kraton Jax on May 03, 2014, 01:19 AM
Pretty awesome!! Nice work there vod! :)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 03, 2014, 01:34 AM
playing with some speaker grille layouts for the other gauntlet to hit on the laser cutter this weekend:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/speaker3_zps256d3f95.png) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/speaker3_zps256d3f95.png.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/speaker1_zpsb2d98a23.png) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/speaker1_zpsb2d98a23.png.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/speaker2_zpsf6ffc9b2.png) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/speaker2_zpsf6ffc9b2.png.html)

In all cases, red lines are cuts and blue is etch.  Mando'a just spells out Zophar





Also, it occured to me last night that I got my left and right backward at some point.    the finished gaunt with the four lights is strapped to fit my left arm, not my right :-P    ah well :-P
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 05, 2014, 02:52 AM
Some of you may remember Z.A.P.P.A (http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=43467.msg707122#msg707122), my armoury droid.  He is back from retirement today, this wonderful May the 4th, to gear up for you fine folks playing along at home.   Consider this my State of the Mando address.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/IMG_20140504_234008_zpsfwwkdwcp.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/fittings/IMG_20140504_234008_zpsfwwkdwcp.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/IMG_20140504_234025_zpsgnrd8vct.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/fittings/IMG_20140504_234025_zpsgnrd8vct.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/IMG_20140504_233958_zpsnwf2xmwu.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/fittings/IMG_20140504_233958_zpsnwf2xmwu.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/IMG_20140504_234051_zpsziwrwqej.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/fittings/IMG_20140504_234051_zpsziwrwqej.jpg.html)




I need a more discrete way to mount the shoulder strap than the current stainless steel acorn nuts while still be removable.  For now I may just put some boot black on the nuts... [If I had a dollar every time I... wait.. was that my outside voice?]
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Kraton Jax on May 05, 2014, 01:12 PM
Damn vod... THAT FRICKIN AWESOME !!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 05, 2014, 05:47 PM
Looking good vod, it wont be long until yoh can apply for OM at this rate.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 06, 2014, 11:52 PM
legs are going to be a real pain, one reason I've put them off so long...
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 07, 2014, 03:36 AM
blaster circuitry all built:

(1) 21,000mcd ungodly bright LED in the barrel from a single-LED flashlight, (8.) superbright red LEDs in the perforated portion for glow, and a pewpew circuit from a toy space gun

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/electronics/Heavy%20Blaster/IMG_20140507_003035_zps3p51h2j4.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/electronics/Heavy%20Blaster/IMG_20140507_003035_zps3p51h2j4.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/electronics/Heavy%20Blaster/IMG_20140507_003108_zpstwfi8mnk.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/electronics/Heavy%20Blaster/IMG_20140507_003108_zpstwfi8mnk.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 07, 2014, 05:10 PM
Looking good vod
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Vorpan Kyr'am on May 09, 2014, 11:55 AM
I had my Doubts in the beginning Stages of your Helmet Build but now you definatly got me stoked.
Great Detailwork! It's the right Choice to use Real leather Belts and stuff like that. Looks Even More Real!

Great Work vod!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 10, 2014, 12:46 AM
I took inspiration from Adenn Gra tuar (http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=74207.msg1154198#msg1154198) and used the wire mesh to form the curves of my knees

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/legs/IMG_20140509_213822_zpsbvmxkpds.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/legs/IMG_20140509_213822_zpsbvmxkpds.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/legs/IMG_20140509_213816_zpsym1fnqba.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/legs/IMG_20140509_213816_zpsym1fnqba.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/legs/IMG_20140509_213809_zpsawswmor9.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/legs/IMG_20140509_213809_zpsawswmor9.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/legs/IMG_20140509_222338_zpsko8yf80x.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/legs/IMG_20140509_222338_zpsko8yf80x.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: AGConstrux on May 10, 2014, 01:58 AM
I took inspiration from Adenn Gra tuar and used the wire mesh to form the curves of my knees

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/legs/IMG_20140509_213822_zpsbvmxkpds.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/legs/IMG_20140509_213822_zpsbvmxkpds.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/legs/IMG_20140509_213816_zpsym1fnqba.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/legs/IMG_20140509_213816_zpsym1fnqba.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/legs/IMG_20140509_213809_zpsawswmor9.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/legs/IMG_20140509_213809_zpsawswmor9.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/legs/IMG_20140509_222338_zpsko8yf80x.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/legs/IMG_20140509_222338_zpsko8yf80x.jpg.html)

I appreciate the shout, brotha...looks good so far!!!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 10, 2014, 03:18 AM
found and repainted my shoulder light

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/shoulder/IMG_20140510_000043_zpsassyxbcl.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/shoulder/IMG_20140510_000043_zpsassyxbcl.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/shoulder/IMG_20140510_000019_zpsgatjipse.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/shoulder/IMG_20140510_000019_zpsgatjipse.jpg.html)

and finally weathered my bucket to match the rest

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/IMG_20140510_000124_zpsrwsdlunl.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/fittings/IMG_20140510_000124_zpsrwsdlunl.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/IMG_20140510_000130_zpsdsde3m6o.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/fittings/IMG_20140510_000130_zpsdsde3m6o.jpg.html)



Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 11, 2014, 12:12 AM
Legs are formed and getting their first skin.  Assuming this trick works, they weren't nearly as traumatic as I had feared.


(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/legs/IMG_20140510_205736_zpsvpx66sg3.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/legs/IMG_20140510_205736_zpsvpx66sg3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 11, 2014, 06:10 PM
upgraded the hardware on my shoulder strapping to the brass ones I had in mind on the left and concealed the right hardware with a shoulder-mounted work light

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/shoulder/IMG_20140511_150517_zpsodeyzhee.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/shoulder/IMG_20140511_150517_zpsodeyzhee.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/shoulder/IMG_20140511_150524_zpsht1q0cl5.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/shoulder/IMG_20140511_150524_zpsht1q0cl5.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/shoulder/IMG_20140511_150355_zpsss1e9v6f.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/shoulder/IMG_20140511_150355_zpsss1e9v6f.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/shoulder/IMG_20140511_150437_zpscnodqino.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/shoulder/IMG_20140511_150437_zpscnodqino.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Kraton Jax on May 12, 2014, 08:56 AM
Completly awesome vod!!!!!!
 :D
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 18, 2014, 08:49 PM
quiet on the updates this week but plugging along.  Photo-less update since photobucket is having a caniption today:

Blaster:   internals are completed; sound chip, das blinkenlights and all.  going to seal her up and start the external finishing this week.
Gaunt:  all electronics have been sourced and body built.  Waiting on one little surprise to be deilvered then I'll be done with that.   Painting it while I wait.
Legs:  two layers of glass down and ran out of application brushes; buying more tonight.   I intend to be on finishing/smoothing by the end of this coming week.

Overall:
Bucket 95% done:  needs clearcoat and better visor solution
Shoulders: Done
Chest: Done
Back: Done [have to either strap back to chest or back to abs, TBD when I get the ab plate done and see them in place]
Abs: mockup only; only part not nearing completion
Right Gaunt: Done
Left Gaunt: 85% done; Formed and electronics sourced.  Electronics assembly, paint and finishing touches required
Cod: using a loin cloth, homey aint messing with that noise
Thighs: replaced thigh holster idea with Old Vhart's quickdraw holster long ago and never updated the sketches. no hard thighs planned at this time.
Shnees: 75% done; Formed and in progress of glassing
Soft Parts: flightsuit needs weathering; need to track down a suitable loin cloth yet; belt, pouches, gloves and boots  in hand


Additional, non required:
Helmet Electronics: all amps built, voice changer built, all speakers and mics sourced and in hand.
Backup Blaster and utility knife: commissioned through Dresdon
Boot plates: to be designed as an add-on later

At this rate, I may be ready in time to troop CVICLIIIVVIVMXI yet!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 18, 2014, 09:10 PM
Whats this about a voice changer?
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: seugtai on May 18, 2014, 10:37 PM
Everything is looking great Dennis! 8)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 18, 2014, 11:01 PM
Everything is looking great Dennis! 8)

Awwww shucks.  :).  Though, after almost three years in the making, it had better be :P
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 19, 2014, 12:29 AM
Forums and photobucket are both up.   Yay.

Guts are all soldered up and body work is in full swing

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/IMG_20140518_172331_zpsuhpbs51l.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/blaster/IMG_20140518_172331_zpsuhpbs51l.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/IMG_20140518_210757_zps0w3gwmfa.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/blaster/IMG_20140518_210757_zps0w3gwmfa.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 20, 2014, 03:04 PM
Another batch of filler is curing on the blaster; the electronics and barrel extension are completed.  Smoothing and greeblization almost complete.

Left gauntlet is laid out.  I need to get a 1/2" drill bit today to lay in the mounting holes for the light domes and switches.  The purple bit is a place holder for the electroluminescent panel that is in the mail.  Top light will constantly fade on and off, I think the bottom will just be a dummy, no actual light.  Bottom switch will power the "laser" line scanner, the other two are likely to be dummies unless I think of something clever between now and when the EL panel comes in.

Looking for opinions on which grille to go with:

Option A: This speaker grille is a laser-cut quickie which says "Zophar" in mando'a just for fun. 
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140520_115627_zps4ryvanwv.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140520_115627_zps4ryvanwv.jpg.html)

Option B: Much more simple and plain; my wife prefers this one
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140520_120531_zpsziqvy07x.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/IMG_20140520_120531_zpsziqvy07x.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 20, 2014, 04:54 PM
I prefer the second as well it looks much more swarzy
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 20, 2014, 05:09 PM
on one hand I think it too plain, on the other it is unmistakeably a "speaker" So I'm kinda torn 
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 22, 2014, 04:07 AM
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/20140522_010324_zpsmj2xfqyf.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/blaster/20140522_010324_zpsmj2xfqyf.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/20140522_010410_zpsuwchdjqm.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/blaster/20140522_010410_zpsuwchdjqm.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/20140522_010416_zps2ki8z4xq.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/blaster/20140522_010416_zps2ki8z4xq.jpg.html)


progress!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Nirob on May 22, 2014, 12:14 PM
Looks good, now hit it with some color!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 22, 2014, 12:19 PM
Working on it.   Not happy with some uneven body work.   Still touching up here and there.   All of that red needs to be sanded down and I'll see how it looks.  Paint this weekend I expect
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 22, 2014, 01:34 PM
maybe put some raised panels on it for added texture
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 22, 2014, 01:51 PM
yup :-)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Jas'ika on May 23, 2014, 09:07 PM
Looks really sweet ner vod.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Niabi on May 24, 2014, 02:49 PM
that looks cool ;)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 24, 2014, 03:14 PM
Going to run to run around today and look for a last little something to add some texture to the top flat bit.  I'm thinking some tile trim (http://www.schluter.co.uk/p/content/picts_370/schiene_alu_370x279.jpg) left over from my bathroom reno if I can't find anything else.  Cut off the prtetty part and have a flat strip of the base part that has the cutouts.    Or maybe an old door strike plate like this one (http://images.sdslondon.co.uk/img/upload/products/1/l_75165.jpg).

Other than that, I have one last piece of the puzzle to sort out which I am finishing now, and a door chain to rig up an Ohld Vart holster rig and I'm calling this primary blaster finished.

For paint, I'm thinking mostly flat black with a silver drybrush for wear.  I'm thinking all black will be too boring, so I may add some matte olive (http://www.gunshopfinder.com/springfield/PX9149L.jpg) in the tradition of the Glocks [yes, I know that is a 1911 in the picture but you get the idea]
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 24, 2014, 04:17 PM
Scopey thingy off for the moment but will return.  "gas piston" type thingy designed and installed

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/20140524_131206_zpsnprqpakb.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/blaster/20140524_131206_zpsnprqpakb.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/20140524_130209_zpsli04rlw6.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/blaster/20140524_130209_zpsli04rlw6.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/20140524_130144_zpsysj3mzpy.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/blaster/20140524_130144_zpsysj3mzpy.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 24, 2014, 09:32 PM
Ooo pretty
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 25, 2014, 02:18 AM
The birth of a holster:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/holsters/20140524_194358_zpstsavx82r.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/holsters/20140524_194358_zpstsavx82r.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/holsters/20140524_195242_zpstesyywfn.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/holsters/20140524_195242_zpstesyywfn.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/holsters/20140524_201821_zps3fjmk3zl.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/holsters/20140524_201821_zps3fjmk3zl.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/holsters/20140524_202758_zps9md4dttq.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/holsters/20140524_202758_zps9md4dttq.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/holsters/20140524_203101_zpsbz4addne.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/holsters/20140524_203101_zpsbz4addne.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/holsters/20140524_225308_zpsdinaulmx.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/holsters/20140524_225308_zpsdinaulmx.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 25, 2014, 08:16 PM
Back in Black

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/20140525_170623_zpsrqwesnoy.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/blaster/20140525_170623_zpsrqwesnoy.jpg.html)

Very hard to photograph wet matte black paint on an overcast day but this is a decent shot.  When it is dry I'll clearcoat it and let that cure till tomorrow, then mask it off and do the OD portions.  The a wash on the OD just like the plates and silver drybrush the black and I'll call it done.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Serim Merec on May 26, 2014, 02:03 AM
That is a very nice blaster, Zophar, it just has to be said! :D
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 26, 2014, 04:29 PM
I'm quite happy with it when I unmasked the brass but it needs a little more.  Wandering Home Depot Looking for a little something something to really kick it into the next league.  I have a few ideas; well see.  Mockups to come, I'll be looking for votes.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 26, 2014, 04:42 PM
Put some decorative brass or stainless allen or torx drive machine screws ?
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 27, 2014, 02:22 AM
The Goal:
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/colorblaster_zps0b240dfe.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/blaster/colorblaster_zps0b240dfe.jpg.html)

Current State:
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/20140526_231720_zpsmlbvzavt.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/blaster/20140526_231720_zpsmlbvzavt.jpg.html)

A black wash on the green will age it and bring it close to the target colour tone.  Brass strip will be cut to size tomorrow when the paint has fully cured and the screw holes hill be drilled.  All that leaves is a silver dry brush on the black.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on May 27, 2014, 01:37 PM
Oooo interesting
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Kardos Shantiel on May 27, 2014, 08:39 PM
Definitely coming along! Well done!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 28, 2014, 12:11 AM
Cutting the brass:
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/20140527_205834_zpsrzoaui3k.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/blaster/20140527_205834_zpsrzoaui3k.jpg.html)

to make this:
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/20140527_210837_zpsgbh9vp7r.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/blaster/20140527_210837_zpsgbh9vp7r.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/20140527_210800_zpstwxnnhar.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/blaster/20140527_210800_zpstwxnnhar.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Hagen Nor'ak on May 28, 2014, 01:47 PM
Where is the blasted like button! Loving the attention to even the little details.

Have a good one,
Hagen
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Niabi on May 28, 2014, 01:48 PM
Oooo thats looking so nice
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 28, 2014, 02:00 PM


Where is the blasted like button! Loving the attention to even the little details.

Have a good one,
Hagen

Well, I DO have a Facebook account under this name that gets more detailed build pics.....
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Hagen Nor'ak on May 29, 2014, 03:34 AM
Now you tell me :P

Have a good one,
Hagen
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on May 29, 2014, 09:17 AM
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/20140528_221239_zpsmlvznxph.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/blaster/20140528_221239_zpsmlvznxph.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/20140528_221314_zpsrr7h7vjp.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/blaster/20140528_221314_zpsrr7h7vjp.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 02, 2014, 12:54 AM
Very small update:  Got the LED diffusers mounted and the EL panel cut and mounted [and on at the time of photo]   Soldering up the LED fader tonight and giving it a coat of spray

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/20140601_212633_zpseqdh4sl9.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/20140601_212633_zpseqdh4sl9.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 02, 2014, 11:29 PM
Some swine stole a nail from the package so I am one short. on my way to grab another pack, cut it down into a tack, then weather and the left gauntlet is visually finished. Then I'll just have to solder up a quick flasher for the LED and strap it and I can call it good.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/20140602_202329_zpsnsyswouu.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/20140602_202329_zpsnsyswouu.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 06, 2014, 01:53 AM
Laser and electroluminescent panel wired up.  Need to pick up some more 555s this weekend so I can make the flasher circuit for the LEDs then close her up and call it a gauntlet.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/electronics/Left%20Gauntlet/20140605_222432_zpsvrsj8lj0.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/electronics/Left%20Gauntlet/20140605_222432_zpsvrsj8lj0.jpg.html)

Shknees and ab plate are the only major parts left.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Kardos Shantiel on Jun 06, 2014, 02:29 AM
It looks great, vod! :D
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jun 06, 2014, 09:34 PM
Wont be long until your trooping  ;)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 07, 2014, 03:45 AM
been saying that for three years now, vod :-P
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 09, 2014, 01:47 AM
A bit too heavy on the drybrushing, but it should do for now.  Scheduled repainting as soon as the rest of the kit is finished, I suppose:

Blaster:
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/20140608_212806_zpskrr4mk8v.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/blaster/20140608_212806_zpskrr4mk8v.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/20140608_212756_zpsjtkaxqry.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/blaster/20140608_212756_zpsjtkaxqry.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/20140608_212734_zpsn8xxkemi.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/blaster/20140608_212734_zpsn8xxkemi.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/blaster/20140608_212716_zpsacn0azkh.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/blaster/20140608_212716_zpsacn0azkh.jpg.html)

Gauntlet:
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/20140608_213840_zpsq91liciy.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/20140608_213840_zpsq91liciy.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: AGConstrux on Jun 09, 2014, 01:54 AM
Looks good so far!!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 10, 2014, 01:54 AM
Blaster Before and After

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/BlasterBampA_zpsc172d2a7.png) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/BlasterBampA_zpsc172d2a7.png.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jun 11, 2014, 11:29 PM
Well done vod!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 12, 2014, 01:33 AM
Throat mic I am trying to figure out for my kit.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/electronics/20140611_222727_zpsdy3mc8tc.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/electronics/20140611_222727_zpsdy3mc8tc.jpg.html)

It has a PTT and an integrated earwig, and uses a dual-plug 3.5mm/2/5mm plug I'm trying to sort out how to interface it with my voice amp.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/electronics/20140611_222714_zpsbsfdi8kf.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/electronics/20140611_222714_zpsbsfdi8kf.jpg.html)


so far, no dice...
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Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 15, 2014, 08:45 PM
I've been focusing on the electronics lately so it is nice to get back into the mix today.   Shknees are fully formed and the last coat of resin is curing.  I'll get on to smoothing tonight.  When they are done, that only leaves the abs for the hard parts.
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Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 15, 2014, 11:02 PM
look at those sexy curves.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/legs/20140615_195718_zps8jmhlezc.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/legs/20140615_195718_zps8jmhlezc.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 16, 2014, 02:36 AM
Resin cured, sanded, primed, and sanded. This helps me clearly see the recesses and divots that the very thin layer of Bondo will fill in.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/legs/20140615_231434_zpsoc6smpdu.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/legs/20140615_231434_zpsoc6smpdu.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/legs/20140615_231309_zpso4vdlqtq.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/legs/20140615_231309_zpso4vdlqtq.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Kardos Shantiel on Jun 16, 2014, 03:20 AM
Those blasters are sexy, vod! :D

And those shnees are beautiful!! Gives me some ideas on what to do with my own! Cheers, vod! :D
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Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 16, 2014, 03:27 AM
It's just the one blaster, but thanks :-D   I never thought it would come out as good as it did.

The shknees are going to be a bit too bland.  Trying to think of ways to add some texture to them.  I think a flexible plastic [chrome auto?] moulding with a profile like a hershey kiss running vertically down the center would really set it off.  I'll have to see what I can find.  But the complements are greatly appreciated!
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Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 16, 2014, 06:20 AM
Bondo, sand, bondo, sleep.   I expect this to be the final patch work.  I'll sand and prime tomorrow and see where that leaves me.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/legs/20140616_020033_zpsg7ivq9qk.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/legs/20140616_020033_zpsg7ivq9qk.jpg.html)
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Post by: Niabi on Jun 16, 2014, 02:25 PM
Cool work vod  8)
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Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 17, 2014, 01:38 PM
first coat of bronze laid

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/legs/20140617_102259_zpsfyuiluvj.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/legs/20140617_102259_zpsfyuiluvj.jpg.html)
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Post by: Serim Merec on Jun 17, 2014, 02:45 PM
All I can say is that it looks like you know what you're doing! 8) Keep it up, vod! :)
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Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 17, 2014, 02:57 PM
Not at all... Just faking it till I do 😛

Black washes on the shknees done. I'll let this fully dry overnight then hit it with much lighter washes of green, crimson and brown before a clear coat to preserve it.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/legs/20140617_195213_zpslmnxwg7e.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/legs/20140617_195213_zpslmnxwg7e.jpg.html)

Ab plate progressing nicely.   

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/torso/20140617_202329_zps7dtww1hh.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/torso/20140617_202329_zps7dtww1hh.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 18, 2014, 04:46 AM
Status Update!!
Shoulders: Done
Chest: Done
Back: Done
Gaunts: Cosmetically Done [some electronics in one needs to be finished]
Legs: Done
Blaster: Done
Belt/Pouches: Done [partial upgrade already commissioned and in the mail, all remaining straps to be replaced in time]
Gloves: Done
Boots: Done

What's left:
Abs: Painted; weathering today and have to sort out straps since my supplier dried up
Flight Suit: Needs weathering
Helmet: needs visor mounted
Neck Seal: I have a balaclava but want a loose-fitting helmet skirt
Groin: Loin cloth fabric in hand, not really sure what to do with it
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Xyyyr Black on Jun 25, 2014, 04:35 AM
REALLY nice job you did so far! Really enjoyin it!
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Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 25, 2014, 08:49 AM
REALLY nice job you did so far! Really enjoyin it!

Thanks.   So am I :P      Work is insane the next three weeks so I won't be getting much done, if anything, but I'll be back at it as soon as I can
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Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jun 30, 2014, 12:59 PM
Worked 40 hours in the last three days; back to work.   Hit a small snag on the gaunts on the approval-side so I'm working with an app-team member in PMs to see what can be done to keep as close to my vision as I can and still make CRL compliance.  The weather is absolutely gorgeous today and the wife and I are both off today so there may be a full kit photo shoot this afternoon.  We'll have to see how lazy i feel after the past few days.

For those few who care and didn't already know, I've moved most of my minor updates off to a facebook account under this same name.   43 pages into a WIP is amusing and terrifyingly too late for that, but hey...
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Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 16, 2014, 02:35 AM
I got a message from an app team member that the gauntlet needed to be extended to wrap 75% around the arm so here is my mk2 electronics gaunt in progress.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/20140715_232834_zps6vjzsa1x.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/20140715_232834_zps6vjzsa1x.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/20140715_232830_zpsiq1adggt.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/20140715_232830_zpsiq1adggt.jpg.html)

The new base is 4" PVC pipe heatformed to fit my arm and the new clear module, which will house a second "display" panel, is a single piece heatformed high-impact acrylic:

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/20140715_220543_zpssnvssfwn.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/20140715_220543_zpssnvssfwn.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/FB_IMG_1405489529359_zpswp9acsuw.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/FB_IMG_1405489529359_zpswp9acsuw.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/FB_IMG_1405489589200_zpsrhmb969a.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/FB_IMG_1405489589200_zpsrhmb969a.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/20140715_232145_zpsvppbtvml.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/20140715_232145_zpsvppbtvml.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Dresdon Acacin on Jul 16, 2014, 08:00 AM
YOUR ALMOST READY TO SUBIT

I really  like the 2screen setup, very swarzy-most  computer terminals in Republic Commando were like that too
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Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 16, 2014, 02:01 PM
I've been "almost ready to submit" for what.. a year and a half? LOL  Life happens at its own pace.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/rushmiracle_zps1d53ccc4.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/rushmiracle_zps1d53ccc4.jpg.html)

This gaunt needs to be finished and wired for the electronics, the other gaunt still needs a complete rework to meet CRLs, I need to figure out how to mount the visor, strapping for the shknees and abs, and possibly rebuild an entirely new back plate.  THEN I have to sort out my soft parts:  Soft armour for the elbows and cod, then weathering and modifying my flight suit.   It is coming together for sure, but there is plenty of work left to do and the last thing anyone wants is to rush the end just to see it done and miss details.

and I think I may laser etch an acrylic overlay for the displays
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Post by: Nirob on Jul 17, 2014, 06:33 AM
can't wait to see some app pics of you soon.
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Post by: Carid Vhett on Jul 17, 2014, 08:26 AM
Looking good vod. I'll echo Nirob, can not wait to see some app style pics.
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Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 17, 2014, 09:27 PM
I've actually not worn the whole kit at once yet... it'll be interesting when I do for the first time.    I really need to update my profile pic..
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Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 20, 2014, 05:23 PM
Gauntlet rework in progress, should be done today if this resin will cure...

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/20140720_141540_zpsq166ryqc.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/20140720_141540_zpsq166ryqc.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/20140720_141638_zpsoq4forpw.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/20140720_141638_zpsoq4forpw.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/20140720_141647_zpsvm6cn0f5.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/20140720_141647_zpsvm6cn0f5.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/20140720_141700_zpslva7ko2p.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/20140720_141700_zpslva7ko2p.jpg.html)



==

Clear module and the new black baseplate is currently primed and drying.  Very hard to see imperfections on a clear module.   I'll find out how much work I have to do when it dries.

==

Ran out of paint AND primer :\   par for the course for this project...
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Aug 01, 2014, 01:23 AM
New module built, time to weather it and get this closed up.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/20140731_221314-1_zpskjdeztwh.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/20140731_221314-1_zpskjdeztwh.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/20140731_221321-1_zpsmxdikteh.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/20140731_221321-1_zpsmxdikteh.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/20140731_221344-2_zpsui1hblus.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/20140731_221344-2_zpsui1hblus.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Aug 01, 2014, 03:35 AM
A bit of padding to let it sit right and new strapping and I think this gaunt is ready for App.   I'll wire up the electronics later I think; had to cover where I had the laser mounted so I'll need a new way to do that

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/20140801_002704_zpsaxdtrwht.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/20140801_002704_zpsaxdtrwht.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/20140801_002710_zpsslnq40y0.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/20140801_002710_zpsslnq40y0.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/20140801_002718_zpswhdcbsit.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/20140801_002718_zpswhdcbsit.jpg.html)
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Post by: Zophar Ptay on Aug 01, 2014, 09:27 PM
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/20140801_010207_zpsvj41pru7.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/20140801_010207_zpsvj41pru7.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/gauntlets/20140801_010154_zpsobwcihcj.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/gauntlets/20140801_010154_zpsobwcihcj.jpg.html)
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Post by: Zophar Ptay on Aug 02, 2014, 01:25 AM
Had to torso up to figure out the final placing on my torso mounting and figured I may as well go all the way.   My first time wearing all of the armour [except the abs, obviously].   Forgive the quality, they are off my wife's phone.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/20140801_220139_zpskgbwdun4.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/fittings/20140801_220139_zpskgbwdun4.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/20140801_220135_zpspbqozh75.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/fittings/20140801_220135_zpspbqozh75.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/20140801_220127_zpsmbpue8ou.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/fittings/20140801_220127_zpsmbpue8ou.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/20140801_220124_zps1mc4hdwu.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/fittings/20140801_220124_zps1mc4hdwu.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/20140801_220109_zpsadbgomzh.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/fittings/20140801_220109_zpsadbgomzh.jpg.html)

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Post by: Kardos Shantiel on Aug 02, 2014, 01:32 AM
Looking wicked awesome, man!!! :D :D
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Sulkon88 on Aug 03, 2014, 04:32 AM
Man that's looking good.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Gildarts on Aug 03, 2014, 12:41 PM
Hey Zophar, don't know if this was answered earlier, but what did you use to attach the shoulders to the torso?

I'm doing a late crusader as well so I thought I'd just ask you.
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Post by: Zophar Ptay on Aug 03, 2014, 01:17 PM
Gildarts - I used leather strapping.  I have a leather strap from chest to back, and another in the center of that making a T that goes to the shoulder

Kardos and Silkon - Thanks vode
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Gildarts on Aug 03, 2014, 01:24 PM
I meant like bolts for the shoulder (bells?) or some other detachment method.
Sorry, I don't have the terminology down yet.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Aug 03, 2014, 02:06 PM
Ah, I used 1/2" long 1/4" diameter hex bolts that I either embed in the fiberglass or epoxy to the surface.  Depending on the placement either acorn nuts or something prettier for the visible spots
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Gildarts on Aug 03, 2014, 03:25 PM
Thanks you Zophar.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Kraton Jax on Aug 04, 2014, 09:19 PM
Nice works vod!! :D i like the way you strapped those gaunts! Can i inspire myself on your gaunts ? :)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Aug 04, 2014, 09:21 PM
Thanks.   Help yourself.    If we aren't here to share ideas, we're doing it wrong.   If you need any help just ask
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Niabi on Aug 08, 2014, 04:35 PM
smexy work vod ;)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Aug 28, 2014, 07:19 PM
Hoping to get the last of the soft parts tailored tonight.  Cross your toes, I may be done this week.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Xyyyr Black on Aug 29, 2014, 05:24 AM
Hoping to get the last of the soft parts tailored tonight.  Cross your toes, I may be done this week.

*crosses fingers, toes and eyes*

Cant wait! :D 8)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Oct 01, 2014, 01:30 AM
A "small" update:


I have a long way to go to reach my initial vision, but finally decided I was good enough to apply for OM.  First order of business will be finishing my grey flight suit which should look much better with that set of straps [I had darker straps for the back suit which didn't stand out nearly as jarringly], get the thigh-ride tool pouch set up for the left thigh to "balance" the blaster on the right, and ge the shoulder lights mounted better.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/Application/DSC00372_zpsff879ef0.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/fittings/Application/DSC00372_zpsff879ef0.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/Application/DSC00374_zps6c307c4a.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/fittings/Application/DSC00374_zps6c307c4a.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/Application/DSC00375_zps85cb6a88.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/fittings/Application/DSC00375_zps85cb6a88.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/Application/DSC00373_zps8b8bb199.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/fittings/Application/DSC00373_zps8b8bb199.jpg.html)

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/fittings/Application/DSC00378_zpsef419802.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/fittings/Application/DSC00378_zpsef419802.jpg.html)

Since these pictures [three days go :-P] I already tore the armour apart and completely redid the mounting plates out of aluminum block; my experiement with the epoxy was great for prototyping but didn't hold up to any serious wear.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Uneek Top'El on Oct 01, 2014, 06:39 PM
Nice work !! Congratz on the kill stripes my friend !! OYA !!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: AGConstrux on Oct 01, 2014, 09:55 PM
I'm gonna shoot you in your thighs.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Oct 01, 2014, 10:03 PM
Yeah, I need to get that tool pouch up and running to cover the left side but who are we kidding... the stories can't hit a damned thing anyway.  I heard one guy even goes around in armour made of plastic!    ;)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: seugtai on Oct 02, 2014, 10:51 AM
DANG! It's about time! :P
A big congrats to you my friend! 8)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Carid Vhett on Oct 02, 2014, 07:34 PM
(http://i1155.photobucket.com/albums/p541/EXALDEAR/carid5_zpshy6cmiyc.png) (http://s1155.photobucket.com/user/EXALDEAR/media/carid5_zpshy6cmiyc.png.html)
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Oct 02, 2014, 07:50 PM
DANG! It's about time! :P
A big congrats to you my friend! 8)

Only three years...... I need new abs too.   The more I look at it the less I like them... *sigh*
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Niabi on Oct 05, 2014, 12:02 PM
congrats vod ;)


(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8245/8664903547_9a19c6a92a_o.gif) 
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jan 04, 2015, 11:14 PM
Finally got around to getting the LED heartbeat pulsing built for the left gauntlet.  The blue "displays" are EL panel and glow nicely, now the LED is more than just a dummy.  [click to play video]

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/electronics/Left%20Gauntlet/th_20150104_192746_zpsb9m40ssw.mp4) (http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/electronics/Left%20Gauntlet/20150104_192746_zpsb9m40ssw.mp4)


Put together a quick How-to (http://www.instructables.com/id/Heartbeat-Pulsing-LED/) over on Thingiverse in case anyone else likes the idea.
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Uneek Top'El on Jan 08, 2015, 05:46 PM
pretty cool , I have always wanted to add lights to my kit too. gonna give it a try !!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Jul 16, 2015, 01:58 AM
Been focusing on enjoying my kit and getting some new recruits done, but finally threw some time into a repaint.   Since I'm the only person in BC who has or is working on a kit which doesn't have any red on it, I figured I may as well join the cool kids:


Chest:
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/Repaint/20150701_224924_zpssxfciryb.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/Repaint/20150701_224924_zpssxfciryb.jpg.html)

Bucket:
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/Repaint/20150708_153543_zpssbr1bxm5.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/Repaint/20150708_153543_zpssbr1bxm5.jpg.html)

Shoulders:
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/Repaint/20150715_222431_zpsgij5qnmo.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/Repaint/20150715_222431_zpsgij5qnmo.jpg.html)

Our powers combined:
(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/Repaint/20150715_224342_zps0oekatnb.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/Repaint/20150715_224342_zps0oekatnb.jpg.html)(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Zophar/Repaint/20150715_224501_zpsxm1jyvzr.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Zophar/Repaint/20150715_224501_zpsxm1jyvzr.jpg.html)


Shnees got a major structural rework since they keep flopping on me, so they were in for a full repaint.  I'll be doing base weathering tomorrow and get them repainted to match this weekend, then on to trashing the existing ab plate and making one that actually fits the chest plate indent correctly!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: druminllama on Aug 08, 2015, 03:57 AM
you're helmet design is one of my favs. the new paint is looking awesome!
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Zophar Ptay on Oct 19, 2015, 04:17 AM
Marched in the Vancouver Halloween Parade today with GnarGnar and the local Garrison and fond this unflattering picture posted to facebook by random pedestrian who enjoyed the parade.   I need a sash that fits the Late Crusader aesthetic.   Suggestions?  I was thinking maybe an extra-wide leather belt like a weightlifting belt.

(http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z458/zopharptay/Invasions/12140676_561855467300341_5663801492890912693_n_zps4srng5po.jpg) (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/zopharptay/media/Invasions/12140676_561855467300341_5663801492890912693_n_zps4srng5po.jpg.html)


I also dropped and cracked a shoulder plate while de-kitting today, the ab plate never fit right and the back plate was only ever supposed to be temporary until I built a backpack to replace it which never happened.   Maybe it is time to retire this kit entirely...
Title: Re: Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]
Post by: Squirrel on Oct 26, 2015, 06:49 PM
Excellent work, man! Knocking it out of the park!