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Title: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Aug 19, 2015, 08:28 AM
Edit: This is now also my WIP log  :D
Alright guys, it is time to get all those ideas from my head down onto paper and the interwebs to get them all in order and see if any of this is possible. I am wanting to make this all with minimal purchasing to save monies and to put some of my fabrics and crafting supplies to use.

So here is what I am working with sort of color wise in my head:
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/mando%20kit_zpseuuuxrds.png)
Now, since I am trying to build this with what I have on hand, the green fabric I have is brighter than this, and the browns I have are darker and lighter. Searching around the forums I saw that fabric for the vest should be durable, so I plan on using a thick base material with the brown done for show, maybe even with a little bit of quilting. I assume this is ok? The green fabric I have is a breathable cotton/nylon mixture similar to scrubs. Is that ok for the flight suit since scrubs are approvable?

Alright, next up is the bucket:
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/mando%20helmet_zps3ym52xeg.png)
I want to pull in the colors from the armor and the flight suit here. Pretty straight forward.

I want to do some elegant scrolling patterns on the chest and the bucket as well as a gradient from dark to light pink on the chest, but don't have anything drawn up for that yet that I can share.

Now here is where things get crazy! I'd love to hear your thoughts/opinions on this.
I want to do an alien. Really REALLY want, bordering on the edge of NEED to do an alien mando. So after much research I think I could manage making a Farghul. Is anyone here more familiar with them than just what the wiki says, because it is hardly substantial. I wanted something that had a human shape so I wouldn't have to learn even more crazy stuff like prosthetic suit building but was alien enough that people could tell it wasn't a human before I took off my bucket. For those of you who don't know Farghul have cat ears, a tail, clawed fingers, their skin is covered with fur, and it looks like they have a cat shaped nose but no muzzle like in Avatar.

Before I get too wrapped up in planning I wanted to see if Farghul was an ok race to make and get to OM with, since they have only been in EU stuff. I tried to read up on alien mandos but all I couldn't really find anything dealing with less popular races.

So until I get an answer I'm afraid I have to leave you there, though I have much more planned out in my head already :P
Title: Re: First build alien concepts
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Aug 19, 2015, 09:25 AM
Update: Just finished this pepped helmet and wanted opinions on sizing.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20150818_23_49_09_Pro_zpsf7772767.jpg)I'm thinking it is slightly too small since it looks "normal" without anything bulky on. Should I size it up by 10%, or by more than that? my nose is pretty much touching the visor area as it is too, but I don't want to make it so large that it looks ridiculous.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Aug 19, 2015, 04:17 PM
Well, I am impatient when it comes to waiting for....anything.... so I have continued to work on ideas for this build, and I'm going to go ahead and share them. If the app team doesn't like it then I will just do the same kit, just not alien!  ;D

Here is a quick sketch I did of my idea - please pardon all of the asymmetric drawings and crazy notes everywhere on the page
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/WP_20150819_04_42_51_Pro_zpspf1qenpd.jpg)
the green flight suit and the green on the armor are supposed to be the same color

To show off the alien and allow my mando the accessibility she would need in a normal setting my bucket will have to be modified for her ears. I have played around with armored ears vs. ear holes, and I think I like ear holes better. having her ears sealed in the bucket looks too awkward to me.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/WP_20150819_12_38_14_Pro_zpsahlcqa5r.jpg)

So, with the bucket mostly decided on I move on to my armor. I think I want something elegant and feminine in my armor so I am thinking a scrolling pattern to pull the chest together, and to pull both shades of pink together I want to do a gradient on the chest.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/WP_20150819_12_39_06_Pro_zpsjnot9lyj.jpg)

I think my biggest challenge with this build will be the fur. I don't want to do fur like a fur suit. I don't have the skill set for it nor do I have the budget for it. All the reference photos I have come across don't look like the fur is very long, so I was thinking of using flocking for all the exposed skin. That would hopefully give me velvety and short "fur" without needing to deal with hair along with realistic texture. I plan on picking up some liquid latex and flocking this month or next month to see how well flocking sits on latex, how much coloring needs to be done under it, and what sort of lengths I need to make it look realistic if it is sitting properly. If the flocking trial does work I plan on making a latex full face mask/appliance to alter my nose shape more feline, make some ears, put together a tail that looks fairly believable movement wise, and put together some hands. For her hands I'm wanting to do fingerless gloves so her claws are out, which means doing another latex appliance to wear under or attach to my gloves.

I have my basic patterns for my flight suit and am hoping I can start that soon. Since I think my bucket is going to be too small for my build I need to reprint that bigger and pep it.

Let me know your thoughts/concerns/suggestions!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts
Post by: Straka Zulu on Aug 19, 2015, 05:35 PM
That kinda reminds me of how they portrayed the Cathar in KotOR. 

Might I suggest not having the ears go through the helmet, but keep the tail and claws.  This is an interesting kit, I'll be watching this with great interest.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Aug 19, 2015, 06:30 PM
I agree that I'm not a huge fan of my ears going through the bucket. The only thing I worry about nixing the ear holes is that from the reference pictures their ears seem fairly large. I'm not sure I could build them right and get them to fit in my bucket without issue unless I scale them down to a disproportionate size to the character.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts
Post by: Straka Zulu on Aug 19, 2015, 06:41 PM
Battle damage from before you became Manda'yaim. Gives the character a little flavor. ;D
Title: Re: First build alien concepts
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Aug 19, 2015, 07:32 PM
Oooh I like that idea. May not do them both with damage, but that is a great idea
Title: Re: First build alien concepts
Post by: Havelock on Aug 19, 2015, 11:49 PM
Really liking this.  Watching with interest.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts
Post by: Naasad Tal on Aug 20, 2015, 03:07 AM
LOVE the concept! Arizona definitely needs more aliens! & yes all Aliens are approvable.

Another option for ears (& one I've not seen done yet) is something like the Zygerrian traders armor from the Clone Wars, they were a feline race & I always liked the look of their helmet (seen below worn by Obi Wan), which could EASILY be modified into a mando bucket

(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p244/R1-Alchemist/3_Obi-Wan.jpg) (http://s130.photobucket.com/user/R1-Alchemist/media/3_Obi-Wan.jpg.html)

As far as the Fur goes, unless you're a wookie, most of our Alien species still wear a flight suit so there's really only a very bare minimum of fur exposed anyway basically hands (unless you do full gloves) & face (if you wanna get that crazy under your bucket)

As for the helmet, can we see a pic from the side? that's really where we'll be able to tell if the size is right for you. It looks good from the front, but I'd like to see from the side to make sure.

REALLY looking forward to seeing more progress on this one! Definitely gonna be watching this one closely!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Aug 20, 2015, 04:49 AM
Here are shots of both sides and the back of the helmet. I'm sorry for my mane and the lack of centered photos.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/WP_20150820_00_50_09_Pro_zpslm40o98e.jpg) (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/WP_20150820_00_50_07_Pro_zpssese4yss.jpg) (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/WP_20150820_00_49_58_Pro_zpsdjwnygoe.jpg)

I really like the Zygerrian helmet. I think I will start working up a sketch first thing in the morning to play with. I searched around the forum looking for helmet necessities on modded buckets. I know the T has to be included, but are there any other "must-have"s that I need?
Title: Re: First build alien concepts
Post by: Naasad Tal on Aug 20, 2015, 05:02 AM
The "T" & the cheeks are pretty much it, As long as it is easily recognized as a mando helmet, you're good to go...I've seen lots of other modifications that change the over all look of the basic mando helmet

check out Mercy's Togruta helmet found here: http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=96109.0 for a good example of a helmet modified for an alien

The size of yours looks to be about right, however (as I found out the hard way), adding a fiberglass layer (or 2 in my case), may change the size drastically. I ended up having to scrap the first set of templates on my scratchbuilt helmet & start again.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts
Post by: Kebii'laar on Aug 20, 2015, 12:34 PM
In a similar vein to what others have suggested, you could add "humps" to the helmet where the ears would go.  In a helmet, the ears would likely be kind of smushed back anyway, so having bulges on the dome that sweep backwards, similar to the Zygerrian helmet, would probably be a good way to go.  From a Mandalorian point of view, the upright "Catwoman" ears are bulky, unnecessary protrusions that make extra targets for the enemy, so a more streamlined design is definitely what I'd recommend.

However you end up doing it though, this is an interesting concept!

EDIT: Also, if you don't plan on decorating your head to match the alien, these ear bulges can be made hollow for additional tech! Just a little something to think about.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts
Post by: Welkin on Aug 20, 2015, 12:54 PM
Awesome concept, can't wait to see it come together.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Aug 20, 2015, 07:12 PM
From a Mandalorian point of view, the upright "Catwoman" ears are bulky, unnecessary protrusions that make extra targets for the enemy, so a more streamlined design is definitely what I'd recommend.

However you end up doing it though, this is an interesting concept!

The ears I am going to attempt will be swept back instead of upright. My drawing just isn't that good  :laugh:

But I am thinking of doing a modified Zygerrian bucket. I like how much more alien it looks compared to just a normal bucket, and I think it will really add character to my build. I'm working up sketches currently, and modeling it out a bit more 3D in clay to get a better picture of what I want.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts
Post by: Jerek Darr on Aug 20, 2015, 08:13 PM
Images of the farghul depict a physiology derived from cats similar to the lynx. With shortened faces, and long pointed ears. Your intent to use the Zygerran helmet is well founded.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts
Post by: Naasad Tal on Aug 21, 2015, 02:39 AM
I was talking to my daughter about this today & it renewed her interest in doing a zygerrian mando, but she wants to go the full gamit & add the zygerrian ears under her helmet...what have I started  :-[
Title: Re: First build alien concepts
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Aug 21, 2015, 02:56 AM
I was talking to my daughter about this today & it renewed her interest in doing a zygerrian mando, but she wants to go the full gamit & add the zygerrian ears under her helmet...what have I started  :-[

AHAHAHA
It sounds like she also wants to go big or go home. I can't stand doing things half way myself. Maybe I will start on ears/face mask sooner than I planned so she has something to bounce off of other than furry ear patterns and elf ear casting. I'm hoping to do mine in latex or silicone so they have a real life movement and texture, but we will see what reality throws at me.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Aug 21, 2015, 03:36 AM
Ok, update time. I thought long and hard about the pep helmet I had, and decided to build one just a bit larger. I was afraid that by the time I fiberglassed the inside there wouldn't be room for my head, let alone the tech I want installed. So I put that together today. I really like how much more room it gives me, and I feel like it will look a decent size once I have my kit all put together. What do you think?
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsji5aonkm.jpg) (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpslnvlisq9.jpg)

I also played with the helmet ears today. Let me tell you, it is a pain to draft a 3d pattern when you can't measure your other 3d surface and just have to eyeball it.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpseznmnhxn.jpg) (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsjhvdlyfx.jpg)
It is hard to tell from these pictures, but I want the outside portion of the ear caved in slightly like the Zygerrian helmets. I don't want the square head like they have, so I plan to mold down from the ear to the dome like this (pardon the horrible paint job, there was just no way I was getting a curve out of paper) (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsvlm6xzqv.jpg)What do you guys think of the placement and angle of the ear armor? Also, any suggestions on actually making these come to life? I was considering paper clay or instamorph for the molding and then resin/bondo on the outside and hollowing out the inside and doing resin and fiberglass.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts
Post by: Naasad Tal on Aug 21, 2015, 03:43 AM
That looks awesome! Can't wait to see more!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts
Post by: Kris Jasra on Aug 21, 2015, 07:23 AM
I would 'glass the main section of the helmet so it is a stable base, minus the sections where you want to attach the ears. Then complete the ears before bondoing the entire thing.
To get the ears smooth I'd probably use the same method I used on my Twi'lek bucket. First I completed the main dome so it was a solid base to work from. I then used a thin card that I cut to the correct curve by taking darts out and attached it to the main dome. This was of course very angular as card just doesn't give a smooth curve. So what I did was turn the bucket over and used duct tape attached on the inside to smooth the card angles. The fibreglass was then applied on the inside and set to the tape shape. Once dry, I peeled off the card and tape.
I've only got one shot of the process and that's from right after removing the card and tape contraption to leave just the 'glass. As the tape leaves it pretty smooth I didn't have to go bondo crazy either so it's quite light which could be a consideration if you're planning on full prosthetics underneath at any point.
(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r248/jarakrisafis/Costumes/Jakarra/Costume%20details/Jakarra%20Helmet%203_zpsfl85drwp.jpg)
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Havelock on Aug 21, 2015, 04:54 PM
So awesome!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Mercy on Aug 21, 2015, 05:15 PM
We need more alien Mandos! I've been thinking about starting one myself....  :rolleyes:

I like where you are going with the helmet. Yes I think the first one was too small, and I like the later ear designs very much.
I feel that an alien should advertise the fact clearly that it is an alien, and not a human with alien-like decoration. The new helmet does that well.
Kudos for considering being alien under the helmet as well. I considered this early on, but I decided in the end that it would be impractical for my build.

I haven't seen much of anything about Farghul, but you could take a ton of ideas from the Cathar in SWTOR. A braided top-tail on the helmet comes to mind right away.

I think that the helmet is the primary way of identifying a character as alien, but also that it is the little details in the rest of the build that sells it. For example, as Togruta, I look at all of the pictures I find and try to think of ways to translate their unique clothing styles into armor shape/colors/textures/etc. Also their cultural cues...what are their environments and social activities? What do they value? This informs me on what trophies they might take and how they would display them, what miscellaneous items they might carry...

Good luck to you. I'll be watching this thread for sure.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Kavryn Falco on Aug 21, 2015, 11:33 PM
Ooo, I like those ears. Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Aug 22, 2015, 06:31 AM
Thanks for the encouragement all! Today I got 3 coats of resin painted on my bucket, and then I got my first go at fiberglassing and bondoing another project I'm working on right now. I learned I desperately need a sanding tool, so doing Bondo on my bucket will have to wait until I can get to the hardware store. I also made up the templates for the ears by using half of the dome pep and pressing in a portion and measured out where I wanted them.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsnieanjog.jpg) (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsd3fe6k8z.jpg) (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zps6uiniptg.jpg)
Then I did the REALLY scary part and cut out the holes so I can fiberglass up the ears from the inside (thank you Kris Jasra for the tip!)  :o
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpssnpyugro.jpg)
Hopefully I will get the chance to fiberglass later today.
In the mean time next week I will be away from home, so I plan to work up my soft parts and get materials for the rest of the armor.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Kris Jasra on Aug 22, 2015, 06:52 AM
Looking good. Watching this with interest, is always nice to have more aliens.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Aug 23, 2015, 02:50 AM
I was able to glass the whole thing before I left, but had to use some pretty unorthodox methods to do so. Nothing was cooperating with me at all this afternoon - tape wouldn't stick, glue wouldn't stick, resin wouldn't stick ..... so I ended up contact cementing the fiberglass cloth to the ear templates and then coating it with resin and another layer of fiberglass. It didn't have a chance to cure before I left, so we will see how it turned out next week, but it was looking decent though a little rough. I have high hopes for it, and bondo should cover up any messy bits.

(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsunp0t0ml.jpg) (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsarqocmob.jpg) (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsdwucjlju.jpg)
Pardon the other armor bits, those are for my Samus build that I was working on yesterday
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Aug 30, 2015, 03:37 AM
While I had access to real stores I bought up all the supplies on my list I could find. Got the stuff for my mask, some much needed tools (I love me some power tools) and my favorite bit, while thrifting I found some boots! To remove the branding I am thinking of taking off the back strap, patterning it with new material and replacing it, and for the zipper I am thinking of adding a flap that can be snapped up over the top of it. I am pretty sure buckles are allowed, but if not I can take the whole thing off. Thoughts?
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsafc27ttt.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpstlcxumbg.jpg) (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsc5izvpqy.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsbqe623jv.jpg) (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpslebi6b0l.jpg)

I finally gave up on settling for the material I had on hand and got some more along the lines of the colors I wanted originally. I also found scrap leather at a little hole in the wall in Tucson called SAS. (There is a larger version in Phoenix too)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsg2ndmfvq.jpg)
I started the cut out process for my flight suit and figured out how I want my vest and kama to close up. Now I just have to pull out my sewing machine and get busy.
 
Over the next few days I plan to work up my face cast, get my mask sculpted and cast with latex, and get my soft parts put together while waiting for my rotary tool to arrive in the mail.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Havelock on Aug 30, 2015, 03:50 AM
This is a really nice haul you've got.  Good job, vod!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Naasad Tal on Aug 30, 2015, 03:54 AM
Nice haul!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Sep 01, 2015, 09:48 PM
Last night I did a plaster gauze cast of my face and casted a positive from the negative so that I could sculpt today. Here is what I have.I wanted to raise my cheekbones a bit and give my brow more of a structure, along with elongating and flattening out my nose like a cat. I noticed that the male Farghul have more of a muzzle than the females, so I left my lips and chin alone. I think with the slight alterations to the bone structure really help make it look a little more gaunt and streamlined, especially since I have a roundish face shape. I think it is looking good enough that I am going to go ahead and coat my latex on it, and run my tests on the flocking that came in the mail today.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsz01xog7v.jpg)
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Tal Kote on Sep 01, 2015, 09:58 PM
This is coming along nicely. Can't wait for more!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Sep 05, 2015, 07:07 AM
As I am working on the mask build up I decided to use drying times to my advantage and start throwing together my flight suit. I happened to have a male and female pattern set for scrubs, so using both of them I drafted my own pattern. I left it loose in the back so I can bend and not rip at the seams, but any mild bagging should be covered by my kama and vest. I also really wanted the green to show through, so I added a neck seal to the suit instead of the jacket. It isn't a tight fit on my neck, but it covers and I really like the flexibility it gives my neck since my fabric doesn't stretch. I personally like the double sleeve look, so I went ahead and did those. A little hard to see in these pictures.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsdml9sodi.jpg) (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsdwaf7341.jpg)
Because I can't keep a shirt tucked in to save my life, but I didn't want to have to strip for any potty trips I utilized hidden heavy-duty snaps around the waistline to keep the pants and shirt together while still giving me the convenience of a two piece.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpszqmeumga.jpg)

The mask has been a big trial and error so far. I have to flock it again, and I've been building up the empty areas with cotton and latex to keep them from collapsing on my face when I wear it. I'm hoping to have it figured out soon. I am also having issues with ears. I was going to do a wire frame on a headband, but I can't get the right shape, and when I have the right shape it doesn't fit in the ears of the bucket. grrr. The tail is coming along great. I found a great tutorial that resulted in a natural swaying look to the tail, so now I just have to sew up the cover, flock it, and put it all together.

My rotary kit came yesterday too so I can start working on applying and sanding bondo to my bucket, and as soon as I have the vest put together I can start on my armor. We got a big Sterilite bin for the majority of it, and some PVC tubes for the gaunts.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Havelock on Sep 05, 2015, 08:43 AM
Wow, this is some great progress!  And the double-sleeves are definitely visible.  Good job.

Can't wait to see more.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Naasad Tal on Sep 05, 2015, 10:40 AM
Great work on the flightsuit, I find an attached neckseal is way easier to manage than a seperate piece...thats why I had my new vest made with one.  :P

Looking forward to more progress!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Kris Jasra on Sep 05, 2015, 01:48 PM
My neck seal is on my flightsuit, so much nicer than a separate one popping out all the time :P I like the double sleeves, and good thinking on the two piece attachment.

I just had to add more stuffing to my lekku, seems they decided to shed fluffing every so often and they were a bit collapsible, so I know your pain.

Would doing the ears a little like a lynx work? So the ears are kinda small (and under bucket size) but have a fluffy tuft which makes them look much bigger (as that would flatten down without being actually squished)
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Sep 09, 2015, 10:01 PM
I've had a busy couple of days. Finished up my kama and vest and tailored everything to myself a little bit more so it is less baggy. I've also made the tail, just need to flock it still and I'm working on the ears. I have gone a bit smaller with them than I was originally wanting, and i'm using foam instead of wire as the base so they can bend to fit in my bucket. I still have to make a girth belt/sash, just not sure which to do yet.
On to the pictures! Here is the test fit of what I have so far. Pardon the modern belts, those will either be covered or replaced-just haven't gotten around to it yet.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsetrmlert.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsht90haug.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsiwrkmmo3.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zps3pbnqv0d.jpg)

If everything looks good I've printed out templates and will do a tape up to check sizing so I can move on to my armor.

Also, I've been looking at brigades a lot and would really like to join the beast tamers once I'm OM. I know the kama and other soft parts are supposed to be "natural". If anyone happens to know, would what I have for my kama/vest work as "natural"? It is a heavy cotton blend.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Tal Kote on Sep 09, 2015, 11:39 PM
Dang when we came out there I know you were working on your flight suit and other things. You've come along way! Looks good :):):)
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Havelock on Sep 09, 2015, 11:55 PM
This phenomenal work.  Looking great, vod.  Unfortunately, I don't know much about Beast Tamers, so I don't have an answer for you.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Naasad Tal on Sep 10, 2015, 02:38 AM
LOVE IT! Seriously awesome work here & yes the Kama you have should work just fine. Looking forward to seeing more!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Russiya on Sep 10, 2015, 07:54 AM
I am digging the bucket with the ears great job!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Sep 11, 2015, 12:20 AM
It has been a small project day today. I've finished my shoulder cape. I still need to weather it all up, but I've trimmed up the fur in a few places, cut a few holes in it, and blasted it with a heat gun to take the shine out of it. it closes with a buckle under the cape.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsrxsopskf.jpg) (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsowhcayqz.jpg)

I also added some elastic straps to fit around my feet in my shoes since I've been having issues with my pant legs pulling out of my shoes.

Edit to add test fit armor templates! Do you think I need to go a little larger anywhere?
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpstslsd4qs.jpg)
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Kavryn Falco on Sep 11, 2015, 09:19 AM
I think your boob plates need to be bigger (but probably not the other plates unless you need them to match up).  Remember the the rule of thumb - the gaps in your armor should ideally be no more than a thumb's width. You get  a bit more slack since you're a girl and you have more complex shapes to make :P but it's good to keep in mind.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Sep 11, 2015, 09:36 AM
Haha thanks Kavryn, breast plates were the things I was worried about most. As with most things for my top half I figured I would need to make part of it larger  :laugh:
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Sep 12, 2015, 03:56 AM
Ok, printed out a larger version, and think it is a lot closer to the right size.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpscbo9ktav.jpg)
here is how the sizing compares with a 10% increase
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsv8mgd0kc.jpg)
and a horrible selfie of sizing on me the one on the right side is the larger. (pardon the horrible spacing) Thoughts? should I go even bigger, or do you guys think that is decent?

Since I can't work on my armor I worked up a few ammo/other pouches from the scrap fur and leather I had laying around.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpserw5uepg.jpg)
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Kris Jasra on Sep 12, 2015, 06:24 AM
I'd try another increase just on the chest plates again. Not sure it is needed, however it might be a good thing to try. If it's too big later it can be trimmed down, it's a lot harder to add material on once its cut.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Kavryn Falco on Sep 12, 2015, 10:56 AM
The hardest part with this template will be making sure the fangs at the bottom don't stick out all wonky.  I had to tweak mine a little, and it looks like yours are sticking out farther than mine did.  You may even need to put a dart in the fang, to get it to bend down like it needs to... I dunno, it'll be hard to tell until you've got it in Sintra.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Sep 12, 2015, 11:28 AM
I'm sure it didn't help that I only taped down the tops and not the bottoms. It'll be about a week before my sintra comes in the mail, so I'll have a bit of time to play with pattern sizing. I would just do a normal male chest but since farghul care about appearance I feel like I need a more feminine figure and I don't really like the bust form figures. I'm thinking I'll put the paper templates on cardboard and tape them on well this time to see how they sit.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Kavryn Falco on Sep 12, 2015, 12:47 PM
Not a bad idea.  Cardboard is a much closer Nalogue to Sintra than paper is   :P
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Naasad Tal on Sep 12, 2015, 08:59 PM
What Kris said...you can always take more off.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Mercy on Sep 13, 2015, 12:03 AM
Since I can't work on my armor I worked up a few ammo/other pouches from the scrap fur and leather I had laying around.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpserw5uepg.jpg)

Is that ostrich? Looks unique.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Sep 13, 2015, 05:32 AM
I honestly don't know Mercy. I got all my leather out of a scrap bin at SAS fabrics, but I do love that bumpy texture to it. I wish I had picked up more of it!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Oct 03, 2015, 07:00 PM
Goodness it has been a while since I added to my thread. I swear I'm not dead! I have been waiting for some things to come in the mail and working on putting together our house more, but now I'm back.

I got my claws made up using some nail claws (oh the things you can find on Amazon!) and personally drafted gloves of stretch material. I'll be wearing fingerless gloves over the top of these. I think they look good personally, but I'm biased because I thought I was being extremely clever.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsgbxxg15d.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsdeuceeps.jpg)
(pardon the pink lines and the see-throughness, these gloves have been covered with flock since this photo and the issues are covered.)

I did a quick test fit with everything I have so far, including the mask ears and claws. The brown fingerless gloves I am wearing here are not the final gloves. Those are still on their way to me and are black to match my shoes.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsjke8gi4g.jpg)
I know the plates aren't lined up well here. Tape didn't want to stick to my vest, but I have a better picture of just the chest plates below. I'm not too sure about the fit of the mask. I think it is coming along, but I'm not too sure it looks great.  I have been fussing with it a lot, but I'm not convinced it will ever be as great as I want it to be, just because i'm not a professional mask maker! I'm also not sold on the ears. They looked great until I saw them with the mask. As usual, lining up my ears inside my bucket is an issue, even though these ears were cut smaller than before. I'm considering getting some cat style ears to go directly over my own so I don't have to worry about hiding mine with my hair or catching and bending them on my bucket, but I will have to see how funds look when my build is closer to done.

Still working on the Bondo layers to my bucket. I only had fine grit sandpaper, so going was really slow, but I was able to get out to the store this week so I should hopefully knock that out of the park soon.

I resized the chest pieces once more, and I think they look perfectly sized now, but what do you think? I do think I need to size up the belly a little so it matches the chest better, but that should be easy to do when I lay out templates to cut. (pardon that ugly face I'm making, I just took off the mask and some of the makeup, so I look like a mess  :laugh: )
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsgslbxqkk.jpg)
Think I can start cutting my Sintra?
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Kavryn Falco on Oct 03, 2015, 07:57 PM
Beautiful alien hands <3  I'm rather partial to claws myself, though I went about it a different way :)

When you make your chestplates out of Sintra, you'll have to bend the bottom prongs inwards more than you have them here, and that may be difficult with the way it's faceted. You may wanna play with the templates a wee bit more to see if you can get them to lay a little flatter (you can see what I'm talking about in the "rawr" picture).  Affixing them to your vest will solve some of this issue, but not 100%.

The collar is a wee bit wide, an easy enough fix. You want it to line up evenly with the outside edges of your chestplates, so it needs about an inch(ish?) taken off each side. If you don't wanna take it all from the outside you can cut your template in the middle, take it from there, and tape it back up.

Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Naasad Tal on Oct 03, 2015, 08:36 PM
Looking really good! Love the faceted look of the chest plates!

I think that rhe chest pieces will be fine once you get them attached to the vest, but I agree with Kavryn about the collar though, you'll need to trim the aides to get them to line up with the top of the chest pieces.

You're making excellent progress, keep it up!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Nia Kad Runi on Oct 03, 2015, 08:41 PM

When you make your chestplates out of Sintra, you'll have to bend the bottom prongs inwards more than you have them here, and that may be difficult with the way it's faceted. You may wanna play with the templates a wee bit more to see if you can get them to lay a little flatter (you can see what I'm talking about in the "rawr" picture).  Affixing them to your vest will solve some of this issue, but not 100%.


I have to say that I share Kavryn's concern.  I love your concept, but I'm concerned that the facets will be very unforgiving as you try to get your plates to work with your form.    Have you considered doing some darts on the sides to help you keep the facet angles but still curve to your body a bit? 

By the way- love what you're doing! 
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Tal Kote on Oct 18, 2015, 12:20 AM
Great progress considering what I've done. Lol! I'm happy to see your coming together. Hope we will both have our kits ready by AZ con so we can walk around together like some bad *censored* people! LOL!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Jan 14, 2016, 02:42 AM
Alright guys, sorry this has been a necro thread for so long. I may not have been posting, but I was working I swear!

I got the spikes I plan to use as heel spurs attached to my shoes. (I still have to figure out how to cover the logo that they are on I know)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsn5gil4em.jpg)

I have also been really fed up with the stupid latex mask I did the first time. It just isn't what I wanted at all, so I started over with a new prosthetic build. This time instead of doing latex coats I'm thinking of making a legitimate mold to make a rotocast-esque prosthetic. I am also building up the brows cheeks and nose more this time and really focusing on making it look a bit more sallow and cat like. I think I will also etch fur lines into the clay so I have extra detail to shine through the mask to make it more alive than the last version.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsitbxhowl.jpg)

I also have spent a lot of time working on my bucket, and I think it is finally filled in enough that I can play around with ornamentation! I will admit that it is a little rough in places, but I think it gives it character. Since the dents aren't too deep I figured they would look decent as some damage, and because I want to go Beast Tamer once I am OM I need to look a little roughed up and dirty anyway. Here are some pictures with and without flash.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/WP_20160114_00_09_14_Pro_zpskexbgifl.jpg) (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/WP_20160114_00_09_10_Pro_zpsftlml562.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsovo1asaw.jpg)

Oh yeah, that is armor in that last picture!
My Sintra came in the mail and I traced and cut out everything but leg armor and gaunts. I also heat formed it all a bit, modified my chest plates in a more flattering way for myself, and roughly beveled all of the edges that I cut since my sintra is thick.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsfzfin0s1.jpg)
I am really loving the way my chest plates look here as opposed to the cardboard run I did of them originally. I modified the template away from the original a bit and closed the dart differently so it rounded instead of being harshly angular. Do you think I need to cut the belly a little deeper so the top of the belly comes closer to the chest? Does the diamond need to be shortened a bit? Any placement help would be appreciated.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Naasad Tal on Jan 14, 2016, 03:15 AM
 :o :o :o :o

...& she comes back with vengeance!!!!!

Epic progress ner vod! The helmet looks amazing & the armor is equally awesome! Only thing I might suggest would be to work a little more smoothness into the bucket, other than that, you are DEFINITELY on the right track!

Can't wait to see the next update!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Kris Jasra on Jan 14, 2016, 07:42 AM
Tiny bit more smoothing needed on the brow of that helmet, but it is looking fantastic.
And armour wise, you nailed the major spacing issues; spacing round the ab/chest join could do with evening and diamond needs adjusting to better fit the gap you have for it. The top corners of the collar plate also need a bit more flattening to you as they're sticking up a little. If you want to be really picky, could also trim the chest plate sides so that it is the exact same width as the chest plates. Really good progress, looking forward to seeing more.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Kavryn Falco on Jan 14, 2016, 09:09 AM
There are a few builds that get me excited when I see that they have updates. Yours is one of them.

I absolutely love the silhouette of that bucket. It's so feline, and yet so Mandalorian at the same time. If you ever mold it and make copies, I will buy one in a heartbeat.

Can't wait to see what you make next!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Jan 14, 2016, 11:44 PM
So I cut down my ab plate and my collar plate and did another test fit
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20160114_19_57_01_Pro_zpsnjra70gx.jpg)

You can't see the new diamond template so here is a picture without flash so it is visible.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20160114_19_57_28_Pro_zpshvdws9rm.jpg)

I know I need to bend the collar/back edges down more still, and I think I need to bend in the ab plate more, but what do you think of the sizing?

My big project today was adding detail to my sculpting work. After 4 hours this is what I have for casting tomorrow!
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/FOT2057_zpsfngz1inj.jpg)
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Naasad Tal on Jan 15, 2016, 12:51 AM
Spacing looks spot on...nicely done!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Kris Jasra on Jan 15, 2016, 07:59 AM
Sizings pretty much perfect now. Or should that have been purrrrrrfect? :P
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Havelock on Jan 15, 2016, 05:57 PM
This is coming along very nicely!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Zharatustra on Jan 16, 2016, 01:15 PM
great work!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Jan 17, 2016, 05:23 PM
I have been keeping busy on my build this weekend. I decided I wanted sleeves on my vest to attach the shoulder plates to so I cut and added those on. I also decided it was time to figure out a girth belt. I used the basic rope tutorial as a jumping off point and sewed together the whole thing by hand using cotton rope and stretch right backing. I closed it up with some elastic and suspender clips since that is what I had on hand.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20160117_02_47_56_Pro_zps08gwrpfc.jpg) (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20160117_02_38_17_Pro_zpse37pzhvc.jpg)

I also heat shaped my plates a bit more, and am still trying to fill in bits of my bucket where it is rough. (Have I mentioned how much I dislike bondo? Grrrr)

I was finally able to fill in the branding my shoes.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20160116_18_16_42_Pro_zpsh5fdvvae.jpg)

Buuuuuuuuut the biggest thing I have done is deciding what I would like the paint to look like on my kit. I know my original idea was swirls and so it would look feminine, but I have seen lots of regular swirls recently on kits and I wanted my paint job to stand out. I still want to have my paint look feminine, but I also want to look powerful especially if I get into the animal taming brigade. So this is what I have come up with now (and need to make sure it is ok)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20160117_01_57_24_Pro_zpspva7vsdg.jpg)
It will still be on pink armor, but the design will be green. Krayt dragons have always been some of my favorite animals in universe. What better why to show my love of them than to adorn my kit? My big worry is stepping on clan symbols since I don't really know what each clan symbol is I wouldn't want to paint up my kit and then be told to change it.

Brigade requirements encourage beast eyes on the helmet too, so I ran across a few ideas I liked and mashed them into one.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20160117_01_57_55_Pro_zpsn1sondq7.jpg) (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20160117_01_59_15_Pro_zps6rn2jv9y.jpg) (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20160117_01_59_20_Pro_zpsjzvceoem.jpg)

What do you think of the designs? Acceptable?
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Havelock on Jan 18, 2016, 09:35 PM
Personally, I think those designs will look really nice.  Your kit is coming along wonderfully!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Feb 03, 2016, 09:03 PM
So, since the last time I posted I attempted to cast my sculpt .... yeah, that didn't turn out at all, so now I need to start over on it. *sigh*
I also managed to crack my bucket in the back near the key. When it rains it pours! I'm really not sure how to go about fixing it. I think I will probably have to go pick up more resin and fiberglass over the break and then I should probably rondo the whole inside of it like I was hoping I wouldn't have to do.  :'(
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsys3el1yb.jpg)

Now for some good news! I am pretty much done with the bondo process at this point (I hope) *Pleads to the higher powers*
The brow of my bucket has been filled in better, and everything is super smooth. (except for the scars that were left on purpose for asthetic)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsbbdqgzmp.jpg) (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsbysm03fa.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpss5bcpjqg.jpg)
The key area is a little rough still, but that is because it snapped before I could finish working the area and didn't want to make it worse.

I also decided I wanted some shnees instead of shins and knees. I feel they will sit better and I just really don't want elastic or anything behind my knees. So here is a mock up pattern. I am hoping it isn't too tall or wide. Shnees don't really seem to have too much of a pattern to them, so I just took the jango pattern as a base and extended it up higher.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zps7odrgbal.jpg) (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsakejq6dt.jpg) (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsbhb4zxli.jpg)

Any input on anything? I would love some more opinions on my painting ideas too  ;D
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Kavryn Falco on Feb 03, 2016, 09:28 PM
You should talk to Bowfanny about your helmet woes, he's the Bucket King ;D

Those shnees will be fine. Like you said, there's really no standard for them. ;)
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Feb 04, 2016, 12:23 AM
I looked through some of Bowfanny's builds and holy wow! Bucket king is right!  :laugh:

Since the shnees look good I guess cutting them out of my sintra will be my next step tomorrow along with filling more pin holes in my bucket.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Kris Jasra on Feb 04, 2016, 05:09 AM
The size of the shnees is good. As an aside, I tend to find that adding a second layer, trauma plate over the knee are, or having a paint design which highlights the knee will help break it down from extra long shin and you have weird size legs, to shin with combined knee armour.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Feb 04, 2016, 05:33 AM
I know I don't have it drawn on there or anything (aren't you a mind reader? :laugh: ) but I was planning on doing some fun 3d detailing/trauma plating etc. once I had a base plate in hand. I am a real hands on person, which means half the time I don't know where I am going with something until I am already half way there-not the best thing in the world, especially in cases like this.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Kitala-Enby on Feb 04, 2016, 06:54 PM
This is a great looking kit. Alien mandos are in short supply. That helmet is boss, Especially with Kris' help. and the krayt on the chest looks amazing! Have you thought about making full use of the space you'll have on the helmet and doing jaig eyes like the beast tamer brigade suggests. On most mandos Jaig eyes just look pretty, but on a tamer they would have the practical function they would in the animal kingdom of making the wearer appear much bigger than they are. and I think with the shape of your helmet you could get a really impressive set of jaig eyes (possibly less traditional with a bit of a cat eye look to them?) to take up the helmet dome and ears to act as your intimidation factor in training. Just a thought as it's what came to mind when i saw the helmet and the words beast tamer as I was looking at the BRLs today

Keep up the good work.

Quick MS paint of what i mean xx

(http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a530/Kitala_Enby/temporary_zpskeb0urpv.jpg) (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/Kitala_Enby/media/temporary_zpskeb0urpv.jpg.html)
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Feb 04, 2016, 09:27 PM
I  actually have a mock up picture really similar to that which I went back and forth with- I couldn't decide if it looked cool, or if it would be overkill. It is always hard to know when it is just on paper. Seeing it directly on my bucket like that though I may end up moving the skull to the back of my bucket or onto a shoulder or something. Design work is my favorite part. There are just so many options!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Feb 08, 2016, 12:38 AM
So this weekend I picked up my paint! Here are my colors
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpswufctw5h.jpg)
I know the colors aren't crisp, but I was excited to swatch my colors, so I just went for it. I'm really happy with the shades, now I just have to decide which pink is going where. I also took time to sketch on my bucket and think I will go for the jaig eyes like Kitala-Enby suggested. Seeing it in person really helped make up my mind. I think I will end up putting the skull image on my back plate once I get around to making it.

I have done a lot of looking at shnees this weekend and think I have the start of a good idea for trauma plating. I even went as far as to pull out my huge star wars figure collection to get ideas  :laugh:

Aside from that I fiberglassed the break and I have applied 2 layers of rondo to my bucket. It has some nice heft to it now, and is much less flexible. I am trying to decide if I should do a third layer or rondo or call 2 good since the whole thing is fiberglassed already. It is getting closer and closer to being done and I am very excited! 
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Havelock on Feb 09, 2016, 08:00 PM
Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Kol Varek on Feb 09, 2016, 11:11 PM
Lookin good!!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Feb 17, 2016, 02:20 AM
Thanks guys!

Things have been busy in my garage recently, and I am all over the place in projects right now. I've got my gaunts almost all put together-I just have to decide on a closure method. My flack vest has eyelets put into it now so I can attach my plates with chicago  screws. I have also added a knee portion on top of my shnees to flush them out a bit more.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsw07ep93r.jpg) (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsvsjixmzr.jpg)

The biggest thing though is PAINTING!  ;D
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zps7nletqge.jpg)
Obviously things look like they are all over the place here too, but my bucket is all painted, I just have to remove all of the tape tomorrow! All of my stenciling is cut out and ready to put onto my chest and ab plates as well.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsfh4aj066.jpg)
(yeah, not as detailed as my drawing, but my hands were starting to think I was insane after an hour of cutting, and I am thinking it will still look ok like this.)
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Myra Tiin on Feb 17, 2016, 07:53 AM
It does not look okay, it looks AWESOME :D
Your build is really interesting, and I'm looking forward to see what's next.


Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Mirdala Galaar on Feb 17, 2016, 10:54 AM
Fantastic work so far.  :)

Can't wait to see this finished.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Feb 17, 2016, 10:43 PM
I couldn't wait to see how my bucket turned out, so I got a REALLY early start this morning  :laugh: This is pretty much going to be a picture dump, so I'm sorry about that (but....not too sorry)

Here is what my bucket looks like- the visor is not attached yet. I'm still trying to figure out how I should attach it. putting holes in my visor makes me scared since I only have the one, but I don't really want to hot glue it in either  :-\

(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsvfvgnmwx.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpss8zaq44q.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsuv9tcnil.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsudplpty5.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsynplxbdx.jpg)
Yes you do see my chest plates in the background too! I just knocked it out of the ballpark today with painting and weathering.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zps1cpjrall.jpg)

Personally I think the weathering looks pretty good. Part of it was what I actually wanted to do, and part of it was the tape pulling up some of the paint, but it adds character and is so random that I think it looks fine. What are your thoughts?
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Naasad Tal on Feb 17, 2016, 11:41 PM
 :o :o :o Nicely done ner vod! The detailing on the chest plates is SUPER clean!

Don't be afraid to put holes in your visor, nylon bolts are the best way to attach the visor, makes it WAY easier to remove if necessary.

Can't wait to see more progress!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Feb 17, 2016, 11:54 PM
The detailing on the chest plates is SUPER clean!

I was really hoping it would be since it took several hours to make the stencils for it!  :laugh:

Sounds like I will be needing to go to the hardware store to find nylon bolts. Any suggestions on easily lining up the visor once bolts are in? I think that is the part that scares me most about putting holes in it. I have a horrible record for not aligning things right the first time.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Naasad Tal on Feb 17, 2016, 11:57 PM
Drill the holes first, make sure to leave plant of overlap to mount the bolts, then mark where the holes are & hot glue the bolts in place
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Bowfanny on Feb 18, 2016, 12:02 AM
Youve drafted my interest! Very nice Scatchbuild on that helmet! Those plates are looking awesome too! also your sculpting a mask, if I had one of those picture things Like Niabi Id totally post it up! Im impressed!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Feb 18, 2016, 12:18 AM
Drill the holes first, make sure to leave plant of overlap to mount the bolts, then mark where the holes are & hot glue the bolts in place
Duh! I think I have been around paint/bondo/resin fumes too much. I have forgotten how to use my thinker.

Youve drafted my interest! Very nice Scatchbuild on that helmet! Those plates are looking awesome too! also your sculpting a mask, if I had one of those picture things Like Niabi Id totally post it up! Im impressed!
Thank you very much Bowfanny! I have done a lot of looking at your helmets for motivation, so that is high praise!  :D
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Naasad Tal on Feb 18, 2016, 12:20 AM
Duh! I think I have been around paint/bondo/resin fumes too much. I have forgotten how to use my thinker.

Wait till you discover Devcon Plastic Welder :P
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Feb 18, 2016, 12:43 AM
Wait till you discover Devcon Plastic Welder :P
The way you are saying that methinks I would prefer to never experience it  :laugh:
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Darth Tenebrus on Feb 18, 2016, 01:34 AM
Awesome build Ner'vod! I'm thinking I might need an alien build for my second try... after I get experience with sintra, bondo, and the likes.  Your tail, claws, ear armor, mask sculpting....there's nothing I'm not impressed by!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Havelock on Feb 18, 2016, 03:19 AM
I'm really enjoying watching this come together.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Kavryn Falco on Feb 18, 2016, 07:56 AM
Ehehehe that helmet is awesome ;D
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Mirdala Galaar on Feb 18, 2016, 02:31 PM
 :o

From where i'm sitting that stencil came out perfect!

Good luck on the bolts.  :)
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Malek Dair on Feb 18, 2016, 03:31 PM
Cannot believe I haven't stumbled upon this build sooner. Your scratch build is stellar. Also, the paint work on the plates turned out amazing! The dragon detailing is a huge stand out.

Following this beautiful build with interest!

Keep up the great work vod! Oya!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Feb 18, 2016, 11:42 PM
So while I wait for the E6000 to dry to the nylon bolts on my bucket I decided it was about darn time I got my plates attached. So, how does this spacing look? I lined it all up with the past markings that had been ok'ed, but I wanted to check one last time before I made it permanent
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/WP_20160218_21_19_07_Pro_zpsoonprdxx.jpg)
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Bowfanny on Feb 18, 2016, 11:50 PM
One of the chest plates is slightly higher or lower than the other. Left is lower(your left) and the right is higher. It's only like 1/4-1/2 inch difference.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Feb 18, 2016, 11:53 PM
Other than that it looks good though?
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Kris Jasra on Feb 19, 2016, 11:37 AM
Looks good to me. Little out as mentioned but that's expected with tape, pretty sure you'll have it all straight when it's permanent.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Feb 20, 2016, 12:13 AM
Well I put my visor in today, and my color/mirror tint isn't sitting the way I want it to at all :( It almost looks crinkly, so I will have to figure out some way to fix it, just not sure exactly how to at this point. I am also having issues with the bolts at the bottom not wanting to stay glued down.

In other news I have my chest plates attached now with chicago screws and velcro (for slight adjustments) and I have started putting together my weapons.

And even more fun news, the husband has finally started drawing up plans for his mando. I think he may be slightly jealous of mine.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Bowfanny on Feb 20, 2016, 02:44 AM
Jealousy is a good motivator!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Straka Zulu on Feb 20, 2016, 09:09 AM
Jealousy is a good motivator!
It's why I'm building my wife her own kit, I think.  She's not the handy type, but she did cut her own diamond out.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Bowfanny on Feb 20, 2016, 10:05 AM
It's why I'm building my wife her own kit, I think.  She's not the handy type, but she did cut her own diamond out.
I wish my partner would want to build a kit. I have a hard enough time getting her to costume at all unless it's something like a pirate wench or old Victorian gowns.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Straka Zulu on Feb 20, 2016, 05:27 PM
I wish my partner would want to build a kit. I have a hard enough time getting her to costume at all unless it's something like a pirate wench or old Victorian gowns.
Take those as a win, vod. ;D
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Feb 20, 2016, 07:09 PM
It's why I'm building my wife her own kit, I think.  She's not the handy type, but she did cut her own diamond out.

That is what I will be doing for hubby. I got the hands on experience for scratch bucket building, and I am the one with sewing skills. It should be fun, but stressful too I am sure haha
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Feb 23, 2016, 01:47 AM
So while I am working on my weapons I have been playing with my armor! It is all dirtied up now.

(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20160222_21_25_58_Pro_zps6ct0lwcm.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20160222_21_26_04_Pro_zpsujlqwmlx.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20160222_21_26_08_Pro_zps4z5tlhnw.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20160222_21_26_25_Pro_zpsc9w5lzp9.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20160222_21_26_32_Pro_zpsbtmvs8tl.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20160222_21_26_42_Pro_zpsbyqtji0r.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/Mobile%20Uploads/WP_20160222_21_26_47_Pro_zpssuxkvwxv.jpg)

I feel that pictures don't do it justice, but I can't get any better pictures than that until there is sunlight out.

I am also working on how to attach my shnees. I was planning on using parachute clips and leather strips, but now I am wondering: Are the clips allowed to show? I didn't see anything specific in the CRLs and doing a search on the forum shows that most people hide them. Are they considered too modern to be shown? Either way I will be using them, the answer will just be the deciding factor on placement. :)
Gaunts and shnees are almost all painted at this point. Just one more layer of paint and then I can start doing my weathering on those too.
One last quick question- I know hardware store buckets have been used for helmets, but is the material good for making plates with? I am fresh out of sintra and still have to do a back plate (thinking of doing it sectioned). Since they only run $3 at the Ace here I was thinking of picking some up, but don't want to get something that won't work out .

Thank you for all of your help vod!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Naasad Tal on Feb 23, 2016, 08:30 AM
The parachute clips are fine to be exposed...lots of folks (including myself) use them as closures for their vests & I also use them as closures on my shknees
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Bowfanny on Feb 23, 2016, 10:55 AM
The bucket would work if you can get it to co-operate.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Feb 29, 2016, 05:28 PM
I decided to pass on the bucket for back plates. Since hubby is starting up his mando I figured I could piggy back off his 2 sheets of sintra, so I should have a back plate next week or the week after!  ;)

I have finally finished my shnees and gaunts.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsgz73ewm4.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zps4aarwh9k.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsn9pijcy1.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsyv2stnet.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpshqpgjazs.jpg)
I even worked up some fur/leather to make one gaunt look larger as a "bite gaunt". I think maybe I need to add some foam under it to make it look thicker for application to the brigade, but that can be dealt with later.

To hold me over until I can start my back plate I put on my whole kit last night. I do realize I put my kama/girth on backwards, so maybe there will be more pictures tonight with them in the right order  :laugh: I was just so excited to put it all on I didn't pay attention.

First up here is a picture of my spacing.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsew4xxi11.jpg)
 I swear it is all correct.....But I am absolutely disliking the girls and the problems that they are causing with my kit. It is really hard to tell in pictures that spacing is correct. If any well endowed ladies have any suggestions on fixing the issue I am all ears. I think I will try wearing a sports bra next time I kit up to see if I can get everything in control.

(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsikpntbca.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsqleglykn.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsxynyjuru.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsambzipaz.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpshgp4swno.jpg)

I still need to attach my Cod to something. It was just shoved up under my girth belt for these pictures, and I need to attach chicago screws to my shoulders too. I am also still having issues with my mirror tint looking wrinkly when my visor is on the bolts :/
Anywho, I hope you all like my progress so far. Just a little bit left to go!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Havelock on Feb 29, 2016, 06:48 PM
Yeah, it appears that the spacing between your chest and ab plates is much greater than the spacing between your chest and collar.  Until the picture of you kneeling.  Then it looks much better.  It also appears that the top point of your left chest plate is higher than your right, and the collar appears to be sitting closer to the right side of your neck than your left.

And sadly, I don't have a solution to offer, as I don't have to deal with any girls the way you do.  heh 

All that being said, your kit is definitely coming along nicely, and I'm sure you'll be able to find work-arounds for everything and get your kit squared away.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Feb 29, 2016, 08:54 PM
I think my collar issues are because of how I attached the cape- it is pulling on my left side and pulling it toward my back (you can see the wrinkling in my close up plates picture). I will try without the cape tonight to see if that is really the issue or if I am making things up in desperation  :laugh: I know why my chest/ab placement looks off. I changed the darts on my vest because I kept popping snaps on the side when bending over. I may try adding elastic to the inside to keep it tight around the thinnest part of my waist. I am an hourglass figure, so there is a HUGE difference between the three parts of my torso (dangit for being a woman again!)

Thank you for pointing those out Havelock!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Havelock on Feb 29, 2016, 10:11 PM
No problem.  And I have absolute confidence that you'll get all these little wrinkles ironed out and get approved as an Official Member.  Keep up the good work, vod.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Mar 01, 2016, 12:51 AM
I partially did what I said I would. Not a full kit up, but a partial to show issues both fixed and to be fixed. (pardon the HORRIBLE bathroom mirror selfies please)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsxetetjn0.jpg)
And here is where I am kinda holding the collar in the correct space
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsobhc3ugx.jpg)
I think using the sports bra really fixed the majority of my issues.  :laugh:

Currently this is what I see that I have to fix:
Of course, fixing these may lead to more fixes, but I'm in the fine tuning stage of my build it seems.
If you see anything else that needs to be addressed please throw it out there!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Havelock on Mar 01, 2016, 10:51 AM
That is definitely looking much better.  And once you can get some shots taken by somebody else, that'll help folks look things over, too, which you already know.   ;D  But for quick bathroom selfies, it appears you're certainly getting things squared away.  Nice.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Kris Jasra on Mar 01, 2016, 01:38 PM
Think that list covers it for fixing it. Sports bra would have been my first suggestion. Trust me - go buy a few all the same, fit the armour to them then pop one in your kit box. Then when you get to an event and realise you are wearing a non mando bra you'll still have one handy :P

And a tiny thing - paint the top inside of your shnees, just a quick silver or black will be fine, doesn't need to be fancy. (Also if any of the underside of the shoulder plates shows get them too) and just the first inch or so of your helmet on the inside so it's not showing.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Mar 03, 2016, 01:43 AM
No updated pictures of my armor today, sorry to burst any bubbles, but I have made some progress. Collar is now fixed and shnees are repainted silver on the inside uppers that show. I am still sticking down velcro, and waiting on the sintra to come in the mail for my back-though amazon swears it will be here by Saturday, so I am very close!

I DO have a couple pictures of my weapon though!
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpswnvwrbgm.jpg)
Hello beautiful!

I knew from the start that I really had no interest in a blaster. The only long range weaponry I have ever really wanted was a bowcaster but that isn't going to happen right now (maybe it will be a future upgrade?). So I went with the wonderful tutorial on making an electrostaff, and I think it turned out excellent. It is taller than I am, which means it is a little over 5'5". Size comparison!
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsbeyvcugo.jpg)

Now, I have seen over and over again that the app team likes to see blasters, but I also have read that just a single weapon should be approvable. Think my staff will be ok as a single weapon for approval? I have a vibroblade in the works, but I want to give it the time it deserves rather than throw it together really fast to get approved.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Bowfanny on Mar 03, 2016, 01:57 AM
I got kicked back and told to make a blaster. They don't care if it's a holdout blaster or big carbine. The staff looks amazing Vod it's very nice. Might need some additional greeblies and my Mir'Shebs card says add a screw somewhere since they're now canon because of Rey's staff lol
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Mar 03, 2016, 02:15 AM
I just finished black washing it tonight, so I will be looking through my box of greebs tomorrow to see if I have anything on hand that might fit. I think I also need to look through my weaponry book again to get inspired. I'm really trying not to spend anything else on my kit right now if at all possible, especially since we are putting out money to start building hubby's mando.

Blarg! I wish it was listed that a gun is the requirement and everything else is just icing, because that isn't how the CRLs read, nor is it how some questions have been answered (so far as I have seen at least)
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Kris Jasra on Mar 03, 2016, 06:26 AM
A blaster is not required, a large melee weapon is allowed instead. An electrostaff will certainly fulfill that requirement.
The ruling on melee weapons is the same as blasters - a smaller knife or sword will be treated the same as applying with only a tiny hold out blaster. Whatever you apply with must be substantial enough to look like you are very well armed to Joe Public.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Mar 03, 2016, 09:24 AM
A blaster is not required, a large melee weapon is allowed instead. An electrostaff will certainly fulfill that requirement.
The ruling on melee weapons is the same as blasters - a smaller knife or sword will be treated the same as applying with only a tiny hold out blaster. Whatever you apply with must be substantial enough to look like you are very well armed to Joe Public.

I could kiss you vod! One big or the other big was how I had taken the rule of thumb, but I kept seeing different things everywhere. I was going to write in to the app team to ask today, but you beat me to it. Thank you thank you!! I am so burnt out of creativity from scratch building my bucket that even thinking of making a blaster had me exhausted.

 So with an approvable weapon officially crossed off my list I just have to: weather my soft parts, add more Velcro, do my back plating, attach cod, and apply. Things to do not required for OM: New mask/ears, vibro blade and other small add ons for brigade.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Fenn Beviin on Mar 03, 2016, 09:33 AM
That electrostaff looks awesome! Also, I am really digging that Krayt (I assume?) dragon on your chest armor. Your stencil game is pretty top notch. Mine still leaves some room for improvement...
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Mar 03, 2016, 10:12 AM
That electrostaff looks awesome! Also, I am really digging that Krayt (I assume?) dragon on your chest armor. Your stencil game is pretty top notch. Mine still leaves some room for improvement...
Thank you! Yes it is a krayt dragon. To be totally honest I didn't know what the heck I was doing when I did my stencils. I ended up pre-drawing my design and then taping the paper down on top of a wax paper sheet of painters tape and cutting it all out with an exacto knife. Then when I went to put the stenciling on to paint it I had to spend a couple hours removing the wax paper from the stencil with tweezers and an exacto knife. It was a really long process, but turned out pretty good for my first try. You will be amazed what complete determination can accomplish. I probably spent a total of 6 hours on the stencils. 2 for drawing, 2 for cutting, and 2 for application.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Havelock on Mar 03, 2016, 08:17 PM
That looks great.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Draceline on Mar 03, 2016, 11:13 PM
This kit looks really cool! I wouldn't have thought of the Zygerrian ears, and they're impressive.

The electrostaff and the krayt dragon look pretty darn good. I'm planning a staff or spear myself.

As for your tail, have you considered putting some armor at any point down its length? A tail is part of your spine after all, so that being vulnerable could be a very unpleasant thing. Something that is lightweight, obviously, so that it doesn't drag it down too much.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Mar 04, 2016, 02:54 AM
have you considered putting some armor at any point down its length?

Thank you!

 As for the tail it is in the works actually (super secret side project with all the little scraps I have) I need to do some more field testing to see how much movement it may hinder and how much extra weight it adds on before deciding if it is viable. I also want to make sure it won't end up smacking into everyone/everything as I walk around since my tail has a natural movement to it.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Draceline on Mar 04, 2016, 03:30 AM
I understand completely. I had the same problem with my dragon tail when I built Toothless last year. It was wonderful, but it just kept getting stepped on (mostly by myself) because it dragged rather than being help properly by the wires I put in it.

Secure it well: maybe add a good belt loop or two to it if you haven't already. I used alligator clips on my last cat tail. It works surprisingly well.

If nothing else, it might be good just to have a plate for the base of the tail. That would be the most important part.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Mar 04, 2016, 04:53 AM
Secure it well: maybe add a good belt loop or two to it if you haven't already. I used alligator clips on my last cat tail. It works surprisingly well.

I didn't realize I didn't post how I made my tail back when I first started my WIP log. It was one of those things that happened in less than a day because I had a plan and slammed it out.  :P

For anyone that is curious my tail is a metal coat hanger unbent and cut to the length I wanted. I bent the top into a loop and sewed that loop into a thick piece of leather with some thick quilting thread doubled over. The leather was then turned into a loop to slip over a belt. Then I ran the wire through plastic tubing, wrapped the tubing with cotton batting, and then sealed it all up in fabric. The fabric was then sewn to the outside part of the belt loop, and the whole length of the tail was coated with latex and then flocked so it looks and feels a little more realistic.
Here is a picture of the attachment. This side with the loop sits on the inside of the belt so it sits snug against my back.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zps6xs86oxc.jpg)

And this part is the outside.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpszqvcr2yx.jpg)

 It has great motion, is really light, and because it sits against my spine it moves fairly accurately (or so I think). It also doesn't drag on the floor or underfoot because of the wire and tubing. It has held up through all of the running around and wearing I have put it through so far. I have not been easy on it, nor has my kitty - he likes to chase it and tug on it whenever I kit up. If it doesn't budge when an 8 pound cat is holding onto it dead weight I think it passes as secure and I don't see a little sintra causing very much trouble at all aside from figuring out how to keep it all in place without looking fake.  :laugh:
I am hoping to have enough scrap sintra and/or extra pvc to cover the upper length of the tail and have the last plate be wrapped completely around the tip of the tail. And if everything works out I have some flashy decorating ideas for the plates too, but I'm leaving that as a surprise   ;)
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Draceline on Mar 04, 2016, 08:06 AM
Hmm....that is a puzzle... I shall think about this one as well.

I do believe you are right. That tail ain't going anywhere. And good job with the texture. I've never had the patience for latex.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Fenn Beviin on Mar 04, 2016, 09:06 AM
You will be amazed what complete determination can accomplish. I probably spent a total of 6 hours on the stencils. 2 for drawing, 2 for cutting, and 2 for application.

You are very welcome! #thatissomemassivededicationyouhavethere
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Mar 04, 2016, 03:31 PM
#thatissomemassivededicationyouhavethere

Looking awesome means massive dedication, and I am dead set on looking amazing and standing out in a crowd.  ;)
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Mar 07, 2016, 12:24 AM
So I drafted up my tail plates and got them all cut up. I decided to use metal for these plates so it stayed light and easily molded. Of course, when I have the chance to crack myself up I always will which is why I chose these signs for my plates  :laugh:
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsrake7vd4.jpg)

Here they are all cut out, sharp bits ground down, and slid on my tail.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpskmc1mskp.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpscaxisvmd.jpg)

Pardon the gap at the top of the tail, some of the plates slipped around. I don't think it will be such a large gap once everything is in place. Also pardon the mess in the background. Things are getting messy here with two kits in the works!
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Straka Zulu on Mar 07, 2016, 09:06 AM
What mess?
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Kris Jasra on Mar 07, 2016, 10:31 AM
Looking good. And I echo Zulu - what mess? Try having 13 kits in your house at once. Now that's mess.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Bowfanny on Mar 07, 2016, 12:11 PM
Looking good. And I echo Zulu - what mess? Try having 13 kits in your house at once. Now that's mess.
I've got the helmets lol
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Draceline on Mar 07, 2016, 12:46 PM
I've got no Mando excuse. I've just got stuff.

The tail armor looks good. Abd I love the Beware of Dog sign. If only they had a Beware of Cat.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Havelock on Mar 07, 2016, 08:41 PM
Looking good. And I echo Zulu - what mess? Try having 13 kits in your house at once. Now that's mess.

Or 3 kids under 5.   :laugh:

It's looking really good, though.  Well done.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Mirdala Galaar on Mar 08, 2016, 01:31 PM
Aye. Well done.  :)
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Mar 11, 2016, 03:03 AM
Thank you all   :D I know it doesn't look that messy, but that is because I am awesome at stacking clutter. Seriously...if clutter stacking was a profession I would be all over that.  :P

Anywho, onto updates!
I knew this day would come, but was hoping it wouldn't be so soon. The employees at the Ace here in Morenci now recognize me. One of them told me he would ask if I needed help, but I always say 'no' so he won't bother anymore  :laugh:

I have been working on smaller things for my kit- I braided myself a leash-brigade req
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsyivhgxqa.jpg)
and purchased a whip that my cat LOVES (seriously, I had to hide it in a child proofed closet so he would stop rubbing all over it)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsapb44bwh.jpg)

Here they are side by side comparison
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsdcyklj0u.jpg)

I also printed out the back template and drew on it what I want as a sectioned back. Just wanted to double check that you guys think it covers 2/3 of the back before I cut it out of the sintra.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsibevasfu.jpg)

My tail armor is still in the works. I've got it all attached together, just have to paint it and put on some cool stuff for it to be considered done. All my other armor is velcroed down in trouble spots. I have a possible solution to my visor crinkle issue that I hope to try, and I need to finish up the knife I have been working on.

I assume I don't have to have anything for under my helmet done before I send in app photos, so mask/ear making will probably start late this month or early next month depending on where I am at with hubby's build (since he finally decided colors/style and drafted up what he wants it to look like). My kit should be official by my deadline (June 2) but I am not so sure I will be done with his by then, especially with a scratch built helmet to do.
Title: Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Mar 22, 2016, 01:02 AM
Alright vode, the tail is complete!
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsdksixgrp.jpg) (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsxahxwigv.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsyeweioke.jpg) (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsmrsob7md.jpg)

The spikes on the tail are the same ones that are on my boot heels as spurs. I figured I didn't have any other use for spikes and they would look pretty awesome running down the tail armor.

I am still working on the back plates- I am thinking about possibly turning it into more of a legacy style back. It would fit with the tail and give the mobility I am looking for.
What do you guys think?
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Naasad Tal on Mar 22, 2016, 01:10 AM
That looks AWESOME!
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Mar 22, 2016, 01:13 AM
Thank you! I thought so too  ;D
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Bowfanny on Mar 22, 2016, 02:20 AM
Very nice! Almost makes me want to built a cat Mando myself.
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Mar 23, 2016, 02:11 AM
Very nice! Almost makes me want to built a cat Mando myself.
Thank you! Having extra body parts to think about and add to has been really interesting.
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: ConDar Ward on Mar 23, 2016, 07:48 AM
I will be Watching this Build with Great Interest ...
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Mar 24, 2016, 02:26 AM
Tonight saw me drafting up what I have decided on for my back plates for realsies this time. I am stuck on using my stencil that got nixed on my bucket for my back plate, so when it didn't sit well on what I had drafted before I drafted up something new (because I am too stubborn for my own good).

(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsr1anvzby.jpg)

I really like this better than the first draft. It flows with the shapes I used for my tail armor much better and looks unique. The middle piece is cut from sintra already, but the other two bits are waiting till tomorrow when I can get out to the garage and snip the them up real quick with the rotary tool. I am hoping to get them cut, shaped, and start on painting them, but we will see what actually happens. Also it is worth noting that all the edges have yet to be beveled down, so none of the edges will be sharp, and I may end up rounding the end plate a lot like I did with the tail tip to avoid stabbing myself in the back.

I also fixed the issue I was having with my visor tinting not staying down. I went out and got a second face shield and cut it up to match, so the film is sandwiched between the two bits of plastic. I'm just happy that it works and that it is all removable like I wanted without giving up anything.
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Bowfanny on Mar 24, 2016, 02:30 AM
I like it.
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Welkin on Mar 24, 2016, 09:52 AM
I really dig the concept....I'm always one for segmented back plates.

I have to admit the top plate looks maybe a little short, I almost thought it was a collar plate at first  :P.  It might not be something that's really an issue, but usually I notice that the longest piece for segmented back armor is the top one, and with the curve over the shoulders and other potential adjustments it makes sense, since it's the one that has to deal with the most curving and such. Have you test the template on your back yet? I'd love to see how it looks there, see if that negates any concern with the top piece being the short piece.
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Mar 24, 2016, 07:13 PM
The top plate's longest tooth goes to the middle of the jango/boba back pattern. I was worried that my top plate would be too long compared to everything else I have seen, especially since I only plan on 3 plates instead of the 4-5 I typically see. I apologize in advance for hubby's inability to stick things on straight  :laugh:

Here are the top two pieces
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zps2ugzfltx.jpg)
And here I have all 3.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsiprlmoso.jpg)
The bottom plate pattern I unfolded and used as the middle for this picture so that things would sit a little better with the pre-cut one being at the bottom. I still plan for the base plate to be thinner on the side like it is in my original picture. You can also (hopefully) see where my kama sits in the last picture (even though I didn't line up the split center back...oops!). It will have belts over the top of it too, and I didn't want the plates covered up too much by cloth.
Thoughts?
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: ConDar Ward on Mar 24, 2016, 09:49 PM
Will these plates move or have movement .. or Will they Just be Static and be a stacked or layered Back plate ?
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Mar 24, 2016, 10:37 PM
Will these plates move or have movement .. or Will they Just be Static and be a stacked or layered Back plate ?
I had planned for them to be attached to a nylon strap so they can move a bit. I don't have a ton of movement in my kit already due to the tail and everything so if you think it would be better just as a stacked stagnant plate that is workable too.
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: ConDar Ward on Mar 24, 2016, 10:43 PM
The more movement the better in my opinion.
Especially if you plan to troop for any length of time.  ;)
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Mar 24, 2016, 11:02 PM
Do you think the length looks good for a movable back then, or should I make an extra plate to add to the bottom? I postponed cutting till tomorrow at least, so there is still time to fix things if y'all think the top plate should be longer or there should be an extra plate added in at the bottom. I'm just flying by the seat of my pants for this part so any input is helpful  :laugh:
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Kris Jasra on Mar 24, 2016, 11:14 PM
Given that you may not be able to sit down with the tail as easily as normal (or possibly at all), have you thought about having the bottom plate, be it the third, or a fourth one flare out a little to cover the very base of the tail. Backplates don't normally go that low due to it impeding movement with a 1 piece. But a layered and flexible one can go lower down without as much issues. Make it so that the backplate seems to flow into the tail armour. I'd still have them separate and just overlapped at the tail base so you can move, but have the look of it all being one protective piece.
It is a design that would look rather out of place on a human and I'd usually never even suggest it, but it would make perfect sense on a species with a tail. Though you would need to work out putting the belts under/over it in some form.
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Mar 24, 2016, 11:47 PM
I wrote about the attachment method, but I haven't really explained where it is worn. I wear the tail belt over my flight suit but under my vest. It is also at my natural waist instead of on the hips because I feel it looks like a natural extension of my spine (like a tail should) by wearing it there. In doing so my vest and kama totally cover the attachment.

I like the extension idea, but I'm not sure it would be practical the way I am envisioning it unless I just covered the bottom of the plate with my belts. My fear with that is that the general public may just think I have a really long back plate instead of an expansion down the length of my spine.
If I didn't have a kama I would hands down do it because it would come off loud and clear and look awesome, but I think I'll have to pass unless my kit changes.
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Welkin on Mar 25, 2016, 08:38 AM
I think the length looks fine. Overall it looks fine how it is, Personally I'd probably want to see the top piece a little longer but that's just my personal preference for the setup of layered backs (with the thought of each piece getting smaller/shorter as it goes). But personal preference aside the length of the top piece looks long enough to get past the parts of the back that might cause the most issues and looks good, so if you like it that way I'd say go for it.


I was going to post a picture of my back plate (which is layered/segmented like yours) to show that it doesn't have to be too long, and then I noticed that mine is actually longer, I think it's roughly similar /slightly shorter than my front... but thanks to my belly the front hangs a bit differently, whilst the back is relatively flat (in comparison to the front at least).
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Jun 02, 2016, 04:02 AM
Hey y'all, sorry I haven't been updating recently! Real life took over for a while. I was gone from home for almost a whole month, and then was off celebrating our one year anniversary.

Obviously I didn't meet my goal of having my mando official by Comicon this year, but I am working furiously on my back plate to get it wearable so that I can get opinions on my kit from my lovely Arizona family while we are in Phoenix!

I still have to deal with the sew side of the velcro for my whole kit, and I have to paint my back and attach it. I'm going to forgo my hard cod for a soft one just for now so it looks put together. I also will probably only carry my staff, since my knife isn't ready and there is no way in all of the galaxy I can get it finished the way I want it to be in just a day or two.  :laugh: We will see how this all goes, and hopefully I can post pictures as I go. Hoping to be able to wear it Saturday at the very least. Maybe Friday if everything goes really REALLY well tomorrow.
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Straka Zulu on Jun 02, 2016, 07:43 AM
Good luck, and I look forward to seeing it all together.  ;D
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Naasad Tal on Jun 02, 2016, 10:24 AM
Glad to see you're still around & even more excited that you'll be at PCC! I look forward to meeting you & seeing your kit in person!
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Jun 02, 2016, 05:19 PM
Glad to see you're still around
You can't get rid of me that easily!  :P
I got my back plates cut out and shaped to me last night. Then it was too late to go outside and turn on the rotary tool to work on beveling edges and painting. I don't think the neighbor who is a cop would be too happy with noise like that at 2 in the morning  :laugh: so I sewed down my velcro. I think everything is sitting much better now that it is affixed really well to my vest. Also, pardon the crazy. That is how I look when I get 4 hours of sleep. HAHAHA
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsc0bwjvxw.jpg)

Around noon I was able to get outside and bevel and sand my back plates. This picture is before I started painting or beveled the edges, so you can see how they lay together now that they are heat formed to my back.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpso2d1pc1a.jpg)

While waiting for paint to dry I have punched holes in my vest for the plates to attach to too.
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Jun 02, 2016, 09:14 PM
I know I am double posting, but I have made SO MUCH progress today! Back is done (just needs the toothpaste washed off to show my weathering, black washed, and sealed) and attached totally. I also am going to attach velcro to my back to hold my shoulder cape in place so that the left side looks perfectly aligned.


(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpspz1bklfi.jpg)(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsqwzppet8.jpg)

I hope you guys like it
ETA: Not sure why my computer was stupid and didn't load all the pictures right....I will have to add the rest of the photos later when I have access to a computer again.
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Briks on Jun 02, 2016, 10:18 PM
haha the ears are FANTASTIC.  :D
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Jun 02, 2016, 10:25 PM
haha the ears are FANTASTIC.  :D
That is high praise coming from you Briks! Thank you  ;D I can't wait to see what you do with your alien build
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Briks on Jun 02, 2016, 10:30 PM
That is high praise coming from you Briks! Thank you  ;D I can't wait to see what you do with your alien build

Yeahhhhh still figuring that out, started a SWTOR kit at the moment though :D

- Also, the bottom pictures you had worked for me? did they not show up on your screen (they're gone now.)
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Jun 02, 2016, 11:21 PM
That is weird. They were showing up as multiples of the second photo both in preview and in the coding link too.  Maybe it was just because I was on my phone. Technology never agrees with me, so it is no surprise at this point.
Ok, let me try this again
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpstjlvkrom.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsizyouyzd.jpg)
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Jun 07, 2016, 06:36 PM
So Phoenix Con has come and gone, and I enjoyed every second of it. I was able to wear my mando both days that we attended, and overall was very pleased with how well everything held up! It was also really great to meet some of the Arizona family. You guys really welcomed me right in, and I am even more excited now than I was when I first started building my kit to join y'all.

Ok, I will put up a couple of pictures from con. I purchased a belt as my ammo belt while we were in town and finished hiding my closure on the girth belt, so I feel like I looked pretty put together. A few people even asked if I was already official, which was a great feeling for a beginner like me.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsq1xyecra.jpg) (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpszsaz6qsx.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsbvyxjsay.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsieac2ndj.jpg) having some fun with the hubs

Things that need fixin':
-attachment of shnees at boot. The chicago screws on the inner portion came undone. I added velcro after the first day, but they still came undone on the second day
-reshaping on shnees. I think I can get a better wrap around my leg with my current armor. I am also contemplating changing the shape to something that flows more with my back and tail armor (not sure if I will deal with that now or sometime after approval though)
-reshape collar. I want to put a little more bend in my collar plate. In some pictures it looks like it might be lifting a little. May even do a little more velcro to hold it down.
-stick down chest. Holding onto my electrostaff really caused my chest plates to rotate. Maybe more velcro will help? If you have a suggestion please let me know. It looks fine if my arms are at my side.
-girth belt. I want to add a material backing to my girth belt to keep all of the rope together. It kinda did whatever it wanted to since it wasn't sewn through the whole length. It didn't look bad, but it bothered me.
-tail bending. I had some issues with my tail wanting to wrap around one way, especially after sitting down. I am wondering if a thicker wire is in order, or if I should just avoid sitting with the tail on.
-tail armor twisting around. I need to attach the tail armor to a strip of metal or something sturdy that i can attach to the tail directly. All of my walking and people bumping into me caused pieces of the armor to rotate out of place
-Cover zippers. need to figure out how to cover the zippers on my boots since they are gold. I am thinking of picking up black leather/pleather and riveting it to one side and adding some velcro to the other. My shnees cover most of it, but not all of it.
-visor. I still have issues with the tinting in my visor being wonky. Maybe it is just because mine is custom built, or maybe it is because I don't know what the heck I am doing, but the layer is crinkled and I can't straighten it out. Thinking of purchasing a legitimate tinted visor from here.

Things to add to my kit:
-bucket fans. I knew I would need fans in my bucket, just hadn't gotten around to it by the time con came. This is #1 on my purchase list.
-ambient hearing aid for bucket. As much fun as it is to make people get in your face to talk to you, it would make my life easier to be able to hear
-microphone. I don't like to scream in my own ears.  :laugh: This is probably #2 on my list
-Prosthetics. I know this is more of a "want" than a "need", and I know it can wait until after approval, but I would love to get my prosthetics in order either making them myself or purchasing them. I feel it adds to the character to be able to take off the helmet.
-more weapons. Attach my whip and knife. Maybe even make some pistols or other guns once I am official
-pouches More pouches and maybe even some tech on my ammo belt
-remake flight suit Thinking of remaking it in a heavier material. I can see some fabric wear from where my plates rub on my arms and legs, and I worry that eventually it will rip through. I also keep popping a snap in the back when I bend. Not a huge issue since it can't be seen, but since I have to take everything off to get the tail off I may as well go for a front zipper suit instead. This is not on the top of my list, just something I have thought about for a while.

If you see anything else that needs improvement or have any suggestions please throw it out there for me.
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Straka Zulu on Jun 07, 2016, 09:05 PM
Wow, that looks amazing!

I will agree with all the points you brought up. The collar does appear to lift off your right shoulder.  But I know that you'll have this straightened out (or better bent) soon enough. ;D

Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Jun 07, 2016, 11:34 PM
Wow, that looks amazing!

I will agree with all the points you brought up. The collar does appear to lift off your right shoulder.  But I know that you'll have this straightened out (or better bent) soon enough. ;D


Thank you!  :laugh:

 In other news, I fell in love with my fur loincloth that was just supposed to be a stand in piece, and I would like to make it an official part of my kit instead of an armored cod. The updated CRLs say that loincloths are supposed to be more than just rectangular fabric. Does anyone know what exactly that means and what I need to do to make my fur approvable?
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: raider fett on Jun 10, 2016, 09:21 PM
colors look nice.
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Briks on Jun 10, 2016, 10:42 PM
Your loincloth looks fine to me, its not rectangular by the looks of it it's got a ragged appearance.
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: reboot on Jun 16, 2016, 05:26 PM
Such cool looking armor, haven't seen many alien mando's. Any plans for wearing a mask under the helmet?
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Jun 16, 2016, 05:41 PM
Such cool looking armor, haven't seen many alien mando's. Any plans for wearing a mask under the helmet?
Thank you. Yes, a mask and ears are in Dara's future. I did try casting a mask a few different times, but none of them came out the way I wanted. It is a learning process, but I will get there eventually. It may not happen until after I am OM, but I fully intend to be able to walk around without my helmet on and still look awesome.

Your loincloth looks fine to me, its not rectangular by the looks of it it's got a ragged appearance.
I did try to rip it up a bit and add some weathering so it looked like it fit with the rest of my build. Thank you

colors look nice.
Thank you. Pink is my favorite color (if you couldn't tell). Actually, fun fact- pink and green were my wedding colors. I just can't get enough of them.
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Daxar Arkada on Jul 12, 2016, 12:17 PM
This is magical, well done!  I love how its coming together so far. Your list of upgrades/fixes happens as you wear the kit more and more; that is why a kit is never really done!  I look forward to your progress!
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Jul 30, 2016, 05:05 PM
This is magical, well done!  I love how its coming together so far. Your list of upgrades/fixes happens as you wear the kit more and more; that is why a kit is never really done!  I look forward to your progress!
Thank you!

Just a quick update. Last night I put together the Velleman super stereo ear kit. I have no experience with circuitry or soldering, so it was a learning process as so much of the build has been, but it came together within an hour including the mods I made to the microphones so I can attach them on opposite sides of my helmet. The few hearing tests I have done with it have made me happy, so I can’t wait to install it into my bucket so I can hear.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsfhnqe4lh.jpg)

Installation brings up my next update. As you can see, with my bucket being an alien build, I don’t have room for ear caps or rangefinders, but that means I don’t have a hidey-hole for the mics to sit in undetected. Here is what I am thinking of doing: I picked up some 2” vents which I have cut down and bent to sit on the weird ear bend. I would attach them to the outside, then drill a hole on the inside under the vent so the mic can sit in the open, but not be seen.
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsmbvw1jnc.jpg)(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpshully013.jpg)

I wanted to get opinions before I did anything permanent in my helmet.

Aside from this new project, I have finished up the dagger I was working on. It is just waiting for me to wrap up the handle and make a sheath now, and I am in the process of drafting a new pair of shnees that will hopefully look a lot better.
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Naasad Tal on Jul 30, 2016, 05:11 PM
Honestly, the vents don't flow with the rest of the build. Could you maybe do something smaller (like the aerators in a stormy bucket) & then put them in the cheeks?

I really need to get started on my helmet upgrades & would love to know where you got your stereo ear set up.

Looking forward to seeing what else you have in store for your build!
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Jul 30, 2016, 05:21 PM
Honestly, the vents don't flow with the rest of the build. Could you maybe do something smaller (like the aerators in a stormy bucket) & then put them in the cheeks?

I really need to get started on my helmet upgrades & would love to know where you got your stereo ear set up.

Looking forward to seeing what else you have in store for your build!

They are actually wider than the 2" they said they would be, which was very disappointing for me. measuring them now they are about 2.5" with the rim.  I was shooting for something on the lower ear portion to keep wires out of my face, especially once I start wearing a prosthetic with my helmet. I wouldn't want to accidentally rip tech out or rip up a prosthetic piece getting in and out of my bucket. I was also hoping to get them on either side of my helmet to make it as close to normal hearing range as possible.

I ordered mine from Amazon for around $10-$11. I have heard that radioshack has them, but being in the middle of nowhere I can't check that for myself.  :laugh: If you do get it, you'll need to extend the mics out. The schematics have them attached directly to the board for some stupid reason, but if I can figure out extension anyone can.
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Naasad Tal on Jul 30, 2016, 05:31 PM
Definitely makes sense...maybe you could cut vents or key holes in the lower part of the ear cap
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Jul 30, 2016, 05:54 PM
Definitely makes sense...maybe you could cut vents or key holes in the lower part of the ear cap
When you say ear cap do you mean make an ear cap to fit, or just cut directly into the area where an ear cap would sit? I have neglected to make ear caps since the cat ear cuts into where the ear cap would typically sit.
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Naasad Tal on Jul 30, 2016, 05:57 PM
I just meant the area under the ears (where you have that round vent sitting in your picture)
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Jul 30, 2016, 06:59 PM
I just meant the area under the ears (where you have that round vent sitting in your picture)
I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page. I will have to play around with the setup to see if I can get it to work well. I really appreciate all of your input Naasad!

Ok, so I have been fiddling with some ideas. I really like the slats that the original vents had, so I started thinking ‘what if I cut them out and still used them?’ I cut up a scrap piece of sintra and inserted the cut slats into it. If I used this idea I would sink the slats down into the bucket and maybe add a little lip of pop up around the inset for interest. It is hard to mock the idea, but I hope you can kinda see what I am seeing in my head.
I like the rectangular shape much better than the circles, and I think making it look inset instead of on top might help it flow better. The final product would be shorter than what the mock up is, and probably thinner too. I just need fresh eyes at this point. I have a tendency to fixate on things I think will work. Here is the bad mock up and a hand drawing
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsuidbu1ot.jpg)
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zps8ks3iq4c.jpg)

The other option is just slits in the sides. If I were to do that I would want them fairly small to avoid visibility. Somewhere between 3-5 slits up each side like so
(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/temporary_zpsrwzcw8eu.jpg)

If you guys have any other ideas, please shout them out. Definitely could use some input and whatnot here.
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Oct 26, 2016, 03:05 AM
Well guys, like usual I let my thread go necro and then bring it back to life. I like to live life on the edge.  :P

I'm sorry I haven't posted in a while. I worked on my shnees a little bit back in July and then got sidetracked by life in August when hubby and I found out we are expecting. We are due in April, so I only have a month or so left to fit into my suit until little one wants more room. I'm not sure I can even fit into it now as my flight suit was tailored fairly tight  :laugh:

I won't be doing any bondo work myself or any huge modifications to my bucket like I hoped I would get to, but I'm still chugging away at it.

Just wanted to give a quick update to those of you following this build wondering what the heck is going on.
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Bowfanny on Oct 26, 2016, 03:54 AM
Congrats Vod!
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Straka Zulu on Oct 26, 2016, 11:19 AM
Congratulations!
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Kol Varek on Oct 26, 2016, 12:13 PM
Congratulations vod!
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Naasad Tal on Oct 26, 2016, 05:11 PM
Congrats!
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Dara Tarrk on Aug 13, 2017, 06:19 AM
So.... I am back! I was itching to kit up again and finally got around to it. Lots of things are going to need fixing though. I wanted to lose the baby weight, but it seems I lost more than I originally had. All of my cloth parts are too loose on me now. I have had material for a new flight suit since before baby came along, so I will get to sew it up soon, but I may have to make a new vest too. I am also going to have to fix armor spacing, so I may end up getting rid of my Chicago screw attachments and just use Velcro or something.

I am playing around with some ideas for my leg armor with some help from my brother. If I'm not careful I may end up redoing my whole armor to be legacy  :laugh:

Obviously spacing looks like bantha poodoo with everything fitting loose, but here are the obligatory pictures of me and my mini rocking our kits

(http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/Mobile%20Uploads/20170810_184730_zpsfrjobaee.jpg)
 (http://i946.photobucket.com/albums/ad305/btemp28/Mobile%20Uploads/20170810_184756_zpsnfx5xy00.jpg)

I'm stoked to be back vod
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Straka Zulu on Aug 13, 2017, 08:05 AM
Adorable.
And the baby is cute, too.  :laugh:  :P ;D
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: jett drexel on Aug 13, 2017, 09:55 AM
that's the best baby grow ever!!! cute.
Title: Re: First build Farghul WIP
Post by: Naasad Tal on Aug 13, 2017, 03:10 PM
Happy to have you active again be vod! You know you'll have to make a set of beskar'gam for the ad'ika now!