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[GraTuaVerd]

Hey! This is Jacob Summers from Facebook. Commenting here to keep track of this to keep you going.

[Dio Broxis]

Hey there! Your Friendly Neighborhood Ruus dropping in here It looks like quite the ambitious build you got there! I like the idea,  but you will run into some issues during app here: the closest I can come to reference would be here on the wikia: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Alfreda_Goot, and its got only a little head hair and not much in the way of those ears... also, a full head helmet in the comic. As well,  reference (including miniatures) do not show that species with a tail, and the face shape in general is quite a bit different: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Togorian/Legends.    Gimmie a bit,  I'm looking for references for a more wolf-like species we may be able to use.

*EDIT*  Okay, I found a few References.  According to the artwork and the armor model you are using,  it looks like We have a couple options you could work with:
Shistavanen: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shistavanen/Legends : A bit more wolf;
Cathar: ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cathar_(species)  It let's you keep the hair, in a sense, but there is some face shape to be changed up a bit;
and something REALLY esoteric, you may be able to work with a Nalroni:  http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nalroni to keep the tail, and if you find some references,  anything else you can prove

[CLouvar]

Hey i thought I'd comment here. This looks super ambitious and I can't wait to see it come to life. We have the first full-sized wookie here in Krayt clan. It may be useful to check out some of the things he did on his build, as for the bucket there is a man who specializes in designing custom mando buckets for 3d printing. His US vendor is here in Utah as well that's how we got a bucket to fit our wookie. He's also churrning out buckets to fit a couple twi'leks building here too and he's offered to make me a trandoshan. May be worth looking into

[michaeljscully]

Great concept! I'm looking forward to seeing where you're going with this.

[Omega]

What are the acessoty pieces on the girth belt? They look like spoons. And I know I'm wrong

[levi.peterson94]

ok i think im a believer now!! this kit looks like it will be fantastic, what clan will you be with?

[Bast Qadesh]

Hey there! Your Friendly Neighborhood Ruus dropping in here It looks like quite the ambitious build you got there! I like the idea,  but you will run into some issues during app here: the closest I can come to reference would be here on the wikia: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Alfreda_Goot, and its got only a little head hair and not much in the way of those ears... also, a full head helmet in the comic. As well,  reference (including miniatures) do not show that species with a tail, and the face shape in general is quite a bit different: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Togorian/Legends.    Gimmie a bit,  I'm looking for references for a more wolf-like species we may be able to use.

*EDIT*  Okay, I found a few References.  According to the artwork and the armor model you are using,  it looks like We have a couple options you could work with:
Shistavanen: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shistavanen/Legends : A bit more wolf;
Cathar: ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cathar_(species)  It let's you keep the hair, in a sense, but there is some face shape to be changed up a bit;
and something REALLY esoteric, you may be able to work with a Nalroni:  http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nalroni to keep the tail, and if you find some references,  anything else you can prove

Just to clarify, with the limited amount of cocept art of the togorians, you specificaally want me to follow the concepts that DO exist, but, technically are no longer canon, correct? I wanted to know if you guys want to make me follow concept art that is Legendized, Have artistic freedom if not enough information is provided for certain features in the NEW CANON of said species or do, strictly, the canon version which has no current concept art?

Hopefully, that makes sense. I would prefer to keep her togorian, that was my original intent and it’s hard for me to change that, lol. Either way, I have all ready made it clear I am happily geared to be advised by you guys so I will do what I can to make sure we are both on the same page for a fair building process!

Let’s face it, what I am doing isn’t exactly “typical”, lol! We HAVE to work closely. The planning process, alone is going to be pain staking; but after my sith build with the TDE was denied even though I updated DAILY and had yes or no approvals from staff, I don’t want to be out of the amount of money I spent for my costume to sit on a shelf, lol.

[Sep Ho'ban]

You've been really great and patient working with App team and Ruu's.  I think the only concern here is that it not drift into simply "Anthropomorphised Wolf"- Mando crossover land.  Also, around here, "legends" doesn't = imaginary.  Those references are still valid for our costuming work here, regardless of what Mother Mouse Ears says.  That said, I'll leave which features/appendages of your concept are approvable or not to those with more experience with alien mandos like Kris who's been super helpful in your WIP.

Cheers!

[Havelock]

The links Dio found for you were to give you some options on keeping the features you wanted - the feline aspects, plus the elongated fur for the hair, tail, etc.  We're just trying to help you find some Canon or Legends references that will satisfy you and keep you inside the pretty wide CRL sandbox.  That said, a good 70% of initial concepts - whether for a straight-up, nothing fancy human or for an obscure alien species - undergoes a bit of revision and re-imagining during both the design/concept phase, and when you start putting the actual kit together and seeing what works and what aspects that...well, not so much.

We'll be here with you every step of the way, and will happily work with you to ensure that your build satisfies both the CRLs and you.  One of the issues I'm running into is that all the official artwork I've seen of Togorians depicts them without tails.  Admittedly, it's been awhile since I've read those comics, and I don't own them any longer, but I'm still researching for a definitive answer on the tail question.  I'll keep you posted.

[Havelock]

I was able to track down some images of Togorians from the Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic comics and from the Star Wars: Dark Times comics.  Oddly enough, both the Togorians are white, but Togorians definitely come in a variety of colors, according to the Han Solo Trilogy by AC Crispin who first introduced the species.

At any rate, I figured I'd include some of the artwork here to help guide your own concept.



I'm really interested to see how you work out the lower legs and the four fingered hands.

[Bast Qadesh]

You've been really great and patient working with App team and Ruu's.  I think the only concern here is that it not drift into simply "Anthropomorphised Wolf"- Mando crossover land.  Also, around here, "legends" doesn't = imaginary.  Those references are still valid for our costuming work here, regardless of what Mother Mouse Ears says.  That said, I'll leave which features/appendages of your concept are approvable or not to those with more experience with alien mandos like Kris who's been super helpful in your WIP.

Cheers!

Yes, and I appreciate that very much! Sounds good!

Hey i thought I'd comment here. This looks super ambitious and I can't wait to see it come to life. We have the first full-sized wookie here in Krayt clan. It may be useful to check out some of the things he did on his build, as for the bucket there is a man who specializes in designing custom mando buckets for 3d printing. His US vendor is here in Utah as well that's how we got a bucket to fit our wookie. He's also churrning out buckets to fit a couple twi'leks building here too and he's offered to make me a trandoshan. May be worth looking into

Thanks, Mandude, I'll keep that in mind!

They are my "Ammo Packs" it was just how I drew them to get the point across. I spent more time than I should have trying to get that perspective and anatomy on the feline, right so the clothing wasn't as paid attention too, as we know what that looks like more than say a physical creature on digigrade legs looking around, LOL. The detail on the "Ammo Packs" was an after thought, LOL!

The links Dio found for you were to give you some options on keeping the features you wanted - the feline aspects, plus the elongated fur for the hair, tail, etc.  We're just trying to help you find some Canon or Legends references that will satisfy you and keep you inside the pretty wide CRL sandbox.  That said, a good 70% of initial concepts - whether for a straight-up, nothing fancy human or for an obscure alien species - undergoes a bit of revision and re-imagining during both the design/concept phase, and when you start putting the actual kit together and seeing what works and what aspects that...well, not so much.

We'll be here with you every step of the way, and will happily work with you to ensure that your build satisfies both the CRLs and you.  One of the issues I'm running into is that all the official artwork I've seen of Togorians depicts them without tails.  Admittedly, it's been awhile since I've read those comics, and I don't own them any longer, but I'm still researching for a definitive answer on the tail question.  I'll keep you posted.

Awww, I find you tryin to close the "Tail-Case" Endearing, lol! If they officially have no concept that exists with one, I can deal, I do like tails on my creature costumes, because Digigrade legs cannot be scientifically balanced on well, unless a huuuge rudder tail is whipping the body on the tippy toes to and fro. Cats and dogs and anything has them. It wasn't a "Furry" thing, it was a legit Biologicial, anatomically-correct, sensible....thingymajig, lol! I think it all started when they had werewolves without tails. That bothered me because something that runs, lunges and whirls to kill things on tippy toes(Digigrade) cannot possibly balance that meat carcass and pivot without an equally thick or lengthy tail at such high-speeeds. Let alone a Togorian, with as big as they are and their strength and athleticism that exceeds that of a human by natural defaults. I digress, though, lol!

But seriously, if you cannot find a "tail" on one, don't sweat it, I won't press the issue anymore, you told me this IS star wars and if there's no tail, here, there's no tail and that's OK!

I was able to track down some images of Togorians from the Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic comics and from the Star Wars: Dark Times comics.  Oddly enough, both the Togorians are white, but Togorians definitely come in a variety of colors, according to the Han Solo Trilogy by AC Crispin who first introduced the species.

At any rate, I figured I'd include some of the artwork here to help guide your own concept.



I'm really interested to see how you work out the lower legs and the four fingered hands.

OOOOoooo! So nice! Thank you so much, this helps, quite a bit! Oh, the digilegs will not be an issue. I know exactly how to make those work real nice. The four fingered paws are not an issue, either, I have a tauntaun costume that has four fingers. They are more "Cartoon/simple" but my middle and ring finger get smushed into one of the costume's "fingers", thus only leaving four to function, but you still have dexterity.

Now, this brings up another issue, because I don't have the budget, the knowledge, physical ability nor the skill, but I am not required to be on stilts, am I? I can give you guys that delightful "animal leg" look WITHOUT stilts. That's possible and it WILL look like I am standing on my toes like the togorian. I do not have the physical ability to stand or to man stilts, let alone the money. Also, to clarify, for the sake of this being adapted to a human form and leg structure, it won't be EXACTLY like the comic or concepts, but, that's where the more "Realism" comes into make it a physical creature in an Earth realm. Either way, you will get as close as I can to a realistic digileg

My "Dreads/mane" idea will work better than I anticipated with these guys. My girl will be Bwown. All Bwown. Because, easy to clean and I can probably get muddy in the rain and not worry about cleaning the mud until it dries and it flakes out. Had to do that with one of my first costumes. She was brown. Was the most amazing thing ever, because I thought I would have to do some serious cleaning. My first tauntaun is an off-white. So it's a pain in the tucus to clean her and everything about her.

Another thing, if I can find a realistic-enough short-pile fur and use more  "Long synthetic/extremely dulled out, ratted, and dirty" faux hair. You can mix the fake hair and make it look less sheeny if you do it with mulitiple shades of the fur color. There ARE realistically patterend faux furs out there. I think my best bet is to use short pile and to make anything "Long or flowy" with faux hair or proffessionally made movie-grade faux fur, which is used on movie creature costumes in commercials or films. Which is....kinda spensive, not going to lie. I would do the "Chewbacca" method, but I don't know anything about that and I've been working with faux fur for five years. I'll show you guys what can be done to fur to make it to someone that knows nothing about it (General public/Star Wars fans that don't costume) look like a real beast breathing and walking around.

[Havelock]

The more you write about your concept, the more intrigued I get. 

You don't have to be on stilts for this.  And you definitely don't have to go the Chewbacca method for your fur.  Essentially, if your kit looks like it belongs on the set of a Star Wars movie, that's what we're looking for.  If you can achieve that with with faux fur and longer fur-looking extensions, then all well and good.  Heck, if you can take an old shag carpet and make it look realistic, then great.  I mean, Star Wars prop building and costuming is all about repurposing things, right?  If the end result looks great on camera, fits the CRLs, and looks "Swarzy," then awesome. 

You clearly have some experience as a costumer and that'll stand you in good stead in putting together a Mandalorian kit.  Just keep updating your WiP regularly and we'll be happy to work with you.  And if something is definitely not going to work, we'll let you know as soon as we can so that you don't spend time, effort, and money on something that's not going to pan out; instead, you'll be able to try a different tack.

And I was hoping that the artwork would help you not only with the concept, but with plans for the actual build itself.  I have quite a bit more, but those are pretty fair samples.  If you'd like me to send you more, drop me a PM and I'll shoot them over to you.

Happy building, vod, and I'll be watching this with a great deal of interest.

[Bast Qadesh]

The more you write about your concept, the more intrigued I get. 

You don't have to be on stilts for this.  And you definitely don't have to go the Chewbacca method for your fur.  Essentially, if your kit looks like it belongs on the set of a Star Wars movie, that's what we're looking for.  If you can achieve that with with faux fur and longer fur-looking extensions, then all well and good.  Heck, if you can take an old shag carpet and make it look realistic, then great.  I mean, Star Wars prop building and costuming is all about repurposing things, right?  If the end result looks great on camera, fits the CRLs, and looks "Swarzy," then awesome. 

You clearly have some experience as a costumer and that'll stand you in good stead in putting together a Mandalorian kit.  Just keep updating your WiP regularly and we'll be happy to work with you.  And if something is definitely not going to work, we'll let you know as soon as we can so that you don't spend time, effort, and money on something that's not going to pan out; instead, you'll be able to try a different tack.

And I was hoping that the artwork would help you not only with the concept, but with plans for the actual build itself.  I have quite a bit more, but those are pretty fair samples.  If you'd like me to send you more, drop me a PM and I'll shoot them over to you.

Happy building, vod, and I'll be watching this with a great deal of interest.

Thank you and I will definitely look pm you for more photos! I will be spitting out more concepts of a more accurate togorian so just stay tuned it might take awhile lol :-)

[Ifis Skirata]

i am HIGHLY intrigued by this, tbh i didnt even actuallty know this species existed in SW till this thread so yay for learning, im planning to do an alien build at some point myself but having never done anything like this before im sticking to plain jane human for my first kit, but i will be eagerly following this build with bated breath keep up the great work

[Bast Qadesh]

You've been really great and patient working with App team and Ruu's.  I think the only concern here is that it not drift into simply "Anthropomorphised Wolf"- Mando crossover land.  Also, around here, "legends" doesn't = imaginary.  Those references are still valid for our costuming work here, regardless of what Mother Mouse Ears says.  That said, I'll leave which features/appendages of your concept are approvable or not to those with more experience with alien mandos like Kris who's been super helpful in your WIP.

Cheers!

This took about two days to get to this point on a basic level. Redesigning the anatomy of the Togorian to fit canonical proportions/fur color/ fur length/ etc. Then, comes the armor being placed on her. I want to do what I did before with my first concept and have multiple shots of her face. However, this time, the helmet will be on some of the shots. It will be easier to keep everything together, I think, at that point. I will update the other helmet concept I posted before with the correct helmet side, front, and 3 quarter view.

What has been changed is the amount of phalanges or "Fingers" the anthro humanoid possess and the number of toe phalanges (Toes). They have a human-creased palm and human toe-like toes with claws on them, all the same, with a digigrade anatomy attatched to them. A main accent of the togorians is the super loooong foot and shorter "Leg" anatomy. When this is brought into the physical realm the anatomy on the paper and in the comics will change and probably be a bit "Thicker" or "Meatier" because a human plantigrade leg has to be in pants and with shoes that create a "digigrade" leg effect with pillows and such. The head, the paws, and the legs/feet will be the hardest parts to really push on for this build, but I'm all four it.

I am going to test the waters for a type of "Mane" as the togorians do and CAN have a type of longer luxurious "Fur" on the back of their heads, going down their neck. With my original concept, I wanted it to be in the form of  dreads. Now, even typing this, I won't worry about the daggum thing, right now. I would make the costume too hot and it would be a pain in the buttius crackius to make all the dreads I wanted her to have. We are going to keep it basic, for now. As you can see, I don't "Basic and Simple" Very well, lol. I might be able to flare up the back of her head, with her own fur for "Fluff" or "Flowy". I like lots of fluff on creature costumes.

Anyways, is this acceptable? I can change anything you need on this, at anytime.