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WIP Maul Mando Grunt
« on: Mar 12, 2018, 02:50 PM »
Hello all illbe putting  put up and document my maul death watch grunt...i think there is no crl for the grunt varients so ill use this as my refrence for approval and crl if needed..
so here is the one im doing.


What has been done already:
Vest- vinyl has been made(by myself) and working on finishing putting on velcro for plates- Sidenote: never done velcro for personal kit. alwasy did nut and bolt so the plates are always in alignment; velcro so far is nice but im alwasy worried about alignment.. i sewed the velco on my vest and used industrial sticky on the plates... HELPFUL HINT WITH VELCO... USE SOFT SIDE ON SOFT PARTS AND PART SIDE ON HARD PARTS>>ill post up picks of my vest in the next post

Flight suit.. im using a red cap black flight suit. the pockets have been removed and the side pockets that go into the jump suit have also been sewn shut. the thigh pockets were cut and the pant seem was opened and extra pocket material was removed and sewn back to gether.. and i also highly and strongly suggest taking in the arms and legs so ther are not so baggy give a more lithe look and look more canonly correct IMHO. i still have to go to a thrift store and buy a short sleeve black dress shirt. since the death watch have double shoulder.

Plates: ive had these plates for when i was still with Wolves.. i started this project so i could go with Vinny who has the Obi-Wan undercover mando the plates are already sanded down, formed, and painted, and in some state of weathering.. i need to make thigh and holsters, shins, boot armor.. not that hard at all just takes time.. all armor is in 6mm i think it gives the proper astetic for the costume its self

Helmet: is in the work and on the way soon. will update with pics

Jetpack: is in the works and on the way soon. will update with pics

Gauntlets: i was given a extra set of vac formed death watch gaunts. they do need to be modified to have the correct toppers. will make it out of sintra and Evercoated then painted. also have the communicator ready to go as well. will also make hand gaunts as well out of sintra since its super easy to do.

Boots: i will pick up the palladium grey boots off of amazon.

Now that the general jist is laid out i will post pictures and document the work


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Re: WIP Maul Mando Grunt
« Reply #1 on: Mar 12, 2018, 03:16 PM »
in this post ill show what stages all my parts are in right now..

My knees and gaunt.. i was gifted extra piece of vac formed armor and its still in waiting for filler or needs to be cut out and put back together.. but its a start


and here is my jump suit.. hard to see the tailored arms. held off on the leg part until i finish the thighs/holsters



And here is progress pics of my vest (using velcro) i know spacing isnt where i want it to be and the weathering isnt done on all the pieces but you will get the idea.




ill keep working today and finish up the vest..
picking up my leather girth belt later today.

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Re: WIP Maul Mando Grunt
« Reply #2 on: Mar 12, 2018, 04:38 PM »
Hey, going to comment to follow along. I think I currently may be the only Death Watch Maul Grunt cleared in Brigades (the UK also has Brigade cleared captain), so I hope you take anything I raise as just coming from months of research and wanting to help others achieve it too.

If you want access to my references folder please let me know, I will be happy to share.

First up, I think you have a good plan in place, but one thing I will say is that I don't believe that cod is the TCW style plate (I have suggested the same to some of the others out on the west coast I have seen making this kit).

If you look the cod is really quite 3D, and has the protruding sides and under-cup, it is almost pyramid like.
There is also no evidence that I have ever been able to find that suggested there is a secondary layer over the top either.






Good catch on tailoring the flight suit, they really are "snug" in the animations. If you want to take it one step further than mine (as this is a future upgrade plan for me when I redo the flightsuit), you will notice that the sleeves actually come out the front of the gauntlets. Once it was pointed out to me I realised it is actually in nearly every reference image I have. This is normally a CRL failure, but as this is a canon the source material clearly shows it.





I am personally not sold on the vest being anything other than a canvas style material. There isn't a reference shot I can find that shows it as a "shiney" reflection in the show to give it credit as "leather like". The vest always looks to have a similar shine and texture as the flight suit, and its quite accepted that it isn't a leather flight suit. Something like this however I imagine will need brigade team guidance on.




Out of interest what is your plan on how to approach the layering and weathering of the chest plates? These guys are filthy, and really beat up, it is something I need to look at refining even further on mine. Especially with the random bits of red on the ab plates.

If you check my "Akii'su" WIP  in my signature I tried to document my build as much as possible, including how I hand built all of the thigh plates etc. I believe it gives a truer size being able to scale them to your own thigh rather than a vac formed one (the holster boxes always seem oversize in proportion).

Cannot wait to see where you go next :D

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Re: WIP Maul Mando Grunt
« Reply #3 on: Mar 12, 2018, 04:45 PM »
Wonder who gave you those knees and gauntlets?  They must be really cool! :laugh: 8)

Iím all seriousness, excited to watch your build :)

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Re: WIP Maul Mando Grunt
« Reply #4 on: Mar 12, 2018, 06:22 PM »
Hey, going to comment to follow along. I think I currently may be the only Death Watch Maul Grunt cleared in Brigades (the UK also has Brigade cleared captain), so I hope you take anything I raise as just coming from months of research and wanting to help others achieve it too.

If you want access to my references folder please let me know, I will be happy to share.

First up, I think you have a good plan in place, but one thing I will say is that I don't believe that cod is the TCW style plate (I have suggested the same to some of the others out on the west coast I have seen making this kit).

If you look the cod is really quite 3D, and has the protruding sides and under-cup, it is almost pyramid like.
There is also no evidence that I have ever been able to find that suggested there is a secondary layer over the top either.






Good catch on tailoring the flight suit, they really are "snug" in the animations. If you want to take it one step further than mine (as this is a future upgrade plan for me when I redo the flightsuit), you will notice that the sleeves actually come out the front of the gauntlets. Once it was pointed out to me I realised it is actually in nearly every reference image I have. This is normally a CRL failure, but as this is a canon the source material clearly shows it.





I am personally not sold on the vest being anything other than a canvas style material. There isn't a reference shot I can find that shows it as a "shiney" reflection in the show to give it credit as "leather like". The vest always looks to have a similar shine and texture as the flight suit, and its quite accepted that it isn't a leather flight suit. Something like this however I imagine will need brigade team guidance on.




Out of interest what is your plan on how to approach the layering and weathering of the chest plates? These guys are filthy, and really beat up, it is something I need to look at refining even further on mine. Especially with the random bits of red on the ab plates.

If you check my "Akii'su" WIP  in my signature I tried to document my build as much as possible, including how I hand built all of the thigh plates etc. I believe it gives a truer size being able to scale them to your own thigh rather than a vac formed one (the holster boxes always seem oversize in proportion).

Cannot wait to see where you go next :D

Thanks for all the knowledge in that post..where to start
for the weathering i went with how my friend (sto las-in Wolves of mandalor did his DW) its black primer and then feathering of a silver then knock the sheen and thin the coat with some sand paper. the red i also feathered on until what i thought was good coverage. then knocked it down like before.. i noticed i may have took too much of the red on the chest plates.. so i may go back and put some more red on..obviously paying attention to where weathering spots are on the armor of the grunt..then of course a good use of black wash to really grime it up.. once its pretty close i could seal it up with matte clear coat. ive never used it before on my kits but i know other people with specific paint details clear coat it.. i also have a airbrush and may try to put the small spots of red on the ab playe or spots of silver.. its all trial and error at this point.. im still in the lets get it all attacked and correct before spending alot of time on the details that need more attention.

the cod.. i really think you are right. i overlooked that. my group here just ordered a bunch of KW DW kits so ill look at thier cods and either add to it or redo it..

the vest.  i went off what i know of other approved DW kit in MMCC and 501st.. i had the vinyl laying around.. it is the non shiny marine grade vinyl. i hope it doesnt become a hastle.

Sleeves.. yes i caught that while digging through refrence photos of the sideways palm maul mando..i dont think that will a prob but def will be in my app photos.

Please Please Please keep sending advice and critiques.. im still in the earlish phases of this build and would like to avoid a set back later one...

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Re: WIP Maul Mando Grunt
« Reply #5 on: Mar 12, 2018, 06:23 PM »
Wonder who gave you those knees and gauntlets?  They must be really cool! :laugh: 8)

Iím all seriousness, excited to watch your build :)

they are super duper cool ... totes obvs.. thanks again,
 ill keep plowing away at this until i hit a major road block..

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Re: WIP Maul Mando Grunt
« Reply #6 on: Mar 12, 2018, 06:34 PM »
they are super duper cool ... totes obvs.. thanks again,
 ill keep plowing away at this until i hit a major road block..

Of course :)

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Re: WIP Maul Mando Grunt
« Reply #7 on: Mar 14, 2018, 09:04 AM »
Hey kingpickles!

This is looking really good.  Hik'aari has some really good info, and looking at the references I agree with his assessment.  As far as the vest goes, it's really tough to tell from an animation standpoint, what exactly they're made of.  So long as your vinyl material isn't a ridiculous high gloss ( :laugh:) I think you'll be fine. You can always weather it down to get a more muted finish.

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Re: WIP Maul Mando Grunt
« Reply #8 on: Mar 14, 2018, 01:19 PM »
i fully agree.. on this im going to try to work on today is back to the flight suit.. and removing the buttons on the cuffs and putting in elastic to 1. get rid of the button, and 2. to make a closure and keep the astetic

Cod.. i have been looking at pics of the cod i totally see what has been mentioned and i think i can save the cod i have with alittle sintra and filler..

will update with progress,

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Re: WIP Maul Mando Grunt
« Reply #9 on: Mar 14, 2018, 01:46 PM »
Nice build with lots of very good advice, but shouldn't it be in the Rebels/TCW section? ;D

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Re: WIP Maul Mando Grunt
« Reply #10 on: Mar 14, 2018, 03:50 PM »
if it is... can be moved?

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Re: WIP Maul Mando Grunt
« Reply #11 on: Mar 14, 2018, 04:27 PM »
I can move it for you.

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Re: WIP Maul Mando Grunt
« Reply #12 on: Mar 21, 2018, 06:19 AM »
some updates for everyone..

First: THE COD... i took the advice that was given and cut a wedge out of the bottom of the cod.. heated up and reformed the side so it looks like the animated version and more 3d.. needs to be filled and then repainted and weathered but looks a lot better
Pics... first one is before the reform with just the wedge cut out


And after the reform and fixing of the tip just need to bondo and repaint

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Re: WIP Maul Mando Grunt
« Reply #13 on: Mar 21, 2018, 06:26 AM »
Finally finished all my front plates.. need to double check weathing marks and maybe have to repaint some red..
im happy with it so far.. of course any advice would be greatly appreciated


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Re: WIP Maul Mando Grunt
« Reply #14 on: Mar 25, 2018, 10:53 AM »
Hey, have been looking over my reference pics for you. I think your armor paint is a good starting point but potentially now needs another layer of detail put over the top. These are the clearest chest images I have of the diag handprint grunt (without going into the episode to find more)


If you look around the bottom edge of the collar and top edges of the chest there is a lot of "through to metal" weathering. The collar on the right side of photo has quite a large area in the corner weathered away.

The same with the shoulders too. Your right shoulder looks to be missing all of the weathering patterns, which is quite heavy in the image. As is the left to a lesser extent.


The ab plate has a lot of red paint detailing on it, plus the areas of lighter "grey" where it has weathered through to the metal.

Am I right in thinking you have a black primer layer? This could be why your weathering has removed red, but not got through to silver.

For some of the "blackening" weathering what I found worked well was to mist on some black spray paint, then use some wire wool to pull through it causing some scratches. Then selectively mist some more on. It helps build up the weathering in "layers". It takes time but works quite effectively.

I have also noticed that you are missing the two recessed areas in the left chest plate, which is a distinctive part of this kit.

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