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« on: Apr 19, 2021, 08:56 PM »
Hi all, Iím Rhue!

Iíve been on the forums for a few years now and have amassed a small horde of armor bits and bobs, but I was never able to settle on a color scheme or armor design that really felt like me. However, Iím now only a few weeks away from graduating from college, so Iíve been channeling my senioritis into coming up with some new armor designs.

The plan is to do a medium kit, legacy-style, with a blaster pistol as my main weapon. I definitely want to add a rifle and some sort of short sword/beskad down the road as well. My primary armor color will be white, with maroon accents and various shades of brown/black for the soft parts. The concept art below isnít entirely accurate, it just conveys the general armor placement that Iím going for. I will also be adding maroon accents to all the armor pieces, not just the chest plate.



Armor:
I started templating with the chest armor. I like the look of sharp, angled panels better than smooth curves, so I decided to go with that approach. I started with a messy first draft:



Then made a second draft and added the collar and ab plates. Any feedback on the proportions would be appreciated, specifically the width of the chest plate up between my shoulders and the size of the collar plate.



For the backplate, I want to include a spinal detail like in the sketch below. If I get the thumbs up, I also want to add LEDs behind the individual vertebrae so it looks like the suit is actively doing something to protect my spine. I donít want it to look too ďgeneric sci-fiĒ though, so let me know if I should modify it to make it more swarzy.



The tabs on either side will wrap around my torso and connect to the sides of the chest plate. I havenít decided on an attachment method yet but I was considering using nylon straps and industrial snaps mounted on the inside surfaces of the chest and back plates. For the other armor pieces, I basically just tried to carry through some angular elements like I used in the chest and back plates. Gauntlets will be based on the live-action Bo-Katan gaunts.



Since taking that photo I have scaled up the knees slightly but the overall shape is the same.

Helmet:
I have a half-finished cardboard base that Iíll be using, and Iíll pick up a bike helmet for the dome instead of trying to do it myself. The cardboard will get a few coats of resin on the outside and resin/fiberglass cloth on the inside to make sure it wonít warp before adding bondo, primer, etc.



Soft Parts:
I have a couple yards of 2-way stretch denim from Joann for the flightsuit that Iíll have access to once I move back home. I also have the Simplicity 8277 pattern that I started modifying last summer, but it still needs some work before Iím ready to start working with the denim. For my vest, I picked out some natural-colored duck cloth, also from Joann. I love contrasting topstitching and want to incorporate it into my design, so Iím looking at getting the Sionnach Studios Bo-Katan flak vest pattern (as long as itís acceptable for use on custom modern-era kits).

Iíll be using a pair of brown Timberland Pros I already own that are super comfy, and Iím planning on making boot plates to cover the laces and logos on the heel. And finally, I also have a pair of fingerless black paintball gloves that I attacked with a seam-ripper to get the logo patches off.

Next Steps:
  • Confirm if spinal detail is acceptable
  • Finalize flightsuit pattern, dye fabric, and start sewing flightsuit/vest
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Thanks for taking the time to read all of this!!

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« Reply #1 on: Apr 20, 2021, 12:32 PM »
Looks like a good start! I'd recommend getting a flak vest done as well before shaping the final plates, since having it on will have a different fit than a t-shirt. But overall, looks like you have a solid concept, and a pretty good handle on how to put it together

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« Reply #2 on: Apr 20, 2021, 05:54 PM »
Looks like a good start! I'd recommend getting a flak vest done as well before shaping the final plates, since having it on will have a different fit than a t-shirt. But overall, looks like you have a solid concept, and a pretty good handle on how to put it together

Thank you!

And yes, I'm definitely going to hold off on cutting any of my templates out until I've got my base layers all sorted out.

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« Reply #3 on: Apr 20, 2021, 08:46 PM »
Love you design!

The collar plate does look a smidge narrow.  I think a two inch gap is the max distance you can have between the collar and shoulder so you might want to widen it a bit at the top.  Maybe reflect the chest angle?  It would be more of an hourglass shape but it should put you in range without re-doing everything.  Or move your shoulder up onto the top of the shoulder and add a few smaller plates out to the edge.  This is a legacy kit so overlapping plates is kinda the thing. 

I can't speak to the back plate.  See if you can track down your local Ruus'alor and ask them.  They should be able to get you sorted.  Should probably ask them if denim is an acceptable material too.  Don't think we see it anywhere in Star Wars.   I would hate for you to put the time and effort into it only to have it turned down.

Absolutely love your angles and can't wait to see this come to life.   :like:

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« Reply #4 on: Apr 20, 2021, 09:38 PM »
Tysm for the encouragement  :<3: And I'll definitely look into shifting the position of the collar plate around a little bit. I had no idea about that 2" rule either, so that will be good to keep in mind.

Should probably ask them if denim is an acceptable material too.  Don't think we see it anywhere in Star Wars.   I would hate for you to put the time and effort into it only to have it turned down.

Yeah so I just realized that I forgot to specify that it's white denim, not regular blue-jeans denim haha (I know mandos are basically space cowboys but I'm not quite that into the yeehaw aesthetic  :laugh: ). I also forgot to say that I'm gonna dye it black, so once it's dyed it should look like regular ol' cotton twill.

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« Reply #5 on: Apr 21, 2021, 03:18 AM »
My flightsuit is black denim and it passed fine in both app and reapp, I think the big thing is avoiding the clear jeans design and the blue jeans blue.

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« Reply #6 on: Apr 21, 2021, 10:20 AM »
Hi Rhue!

I'm your friendly, neighborhood Haran'galaar ruus'alor!  Thank you for posting up a WIP thread!  Makes it much easier to help you avoid any pitfalls!  Hopefully by the time you make it back to San Diego we will be closer to having in person armor parties again.

I like the look of your design so far!  Kind of Old Repbulic/Shae Vizla on the chestplate.  I would agree with your assessment that the collar plate is a bit narrow.  Tapering it and the chest outward a bit would give a little better look.  I would suggest adding your shoulder plates on next so that you can get a better feel for how the entire shoulder area will look.

Your shin plates look short as well, depending on how you want them to look in reality versus what the template makes them look like.  It will depend on what boots you are going to go with as well.

Denim is not a problem at all.  My vest is light weight tan denim.  As long as you aren't going for an '80s acid washed look...

I'm looking forward to seeing how your construction comes together!  While I'm familiar with the technique that you are planning to use, almost all of the locals use Sintra construction or 3D printed parts.

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« Reply #7 on: Apr 21, 2021, 02:32 PM »
Hi A'Vhekad, nice to meet you! Thanks for the feedback too!  :porg2:

Do you have a ballpark estimate for how much material I should add to each side of the collar plate? Am I looking at adding like 1/4" or more like 1-2"?

I don't have my boots with me right now or I'd drop a photo of me wearing them with the shin templates on, but they're 6" Timberlands so they come up about an inch or two above my ankle.



For now, I was taking inspiration from the animated version of Bo-Katan's armor, specifically with regard to how her shin armor starts several inches above her ankle:



That's the idea anyways. Once I get home and can try on the templates and the boots together I can adjust the length if they're too short.

Also, thanks for the confirmation about the denim! Definitely not going for 80's vibes  :laugh:

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« Reply #8 on: Apr 21, 2021, 03:25 PM »
Do you have a ballpark estimate for how much material I should add to each side of the collar plate? Am I looking at adding like 1/4" or more like 1-2"?

Not a ton, as then the armor would be a lot chunkier looking, which I get the feeling isn't the look you are going for.  Also, exact measurement would depend on proportions...  But something like this possibly?


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« Reply #9 on: Apr 24, 2021, 05:04 PM »
Ok so I got a chance to mess around with the width of the chest plate a little bit this week. Originally I was just going to try and add some triangular wedges along the major fold lines of the template but that got messy so I just made a new one.  I ended up adding a little more than 3/4" to each side.

I also cut out a new collar plate and widened the gap between the bottom of the collar and the top edge of the chest plate. I think I'm going to adjust the collar plate "arms" so they follow the chest plate lines a little better as opposed to curving in towards my neck.

     

Before/After:

     

I also finished my initial template for the backplate! It looks wider in the photo than it does IRL, I have plenty of lateral arm mobility in it. The trauma plate panel on the left side is going to get mirrored on my right side, I'm just lazy and didn't add it.



I asked this in the female armor section and didn't get a response so maybe I'll get one here, but is there a requirement for where the bottom edge of the cod plate needs to be located? I'm planning on using a design similar to the animated Bo-Katan's cod but I wasn't sure how much freedom I have to shift it up/down.

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« Reply #10 on: Apr 25, 2021, 09:10 PM »
I like the new width of the chest plate.  Just be sure you can raise both your arms up without them being pushed out by it.   ;)

As to the cod...I went with a armored loin cloth so I am no expert.  If you look at Boba it runs from the waist items to just between the legs.  If you look at Bo Katan, hers almost sits between the hips and does not go down as far but I wouldn't go any higher then hers for sure.  So I think you have  a little bit of room to work with.   Your ruus' will correct me if I am wrong.  ;D

Good luck and keep building.  :like: :cookie:

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« Reply #11 on: Apr 25, 2021, 09:54 PM »
I was reading the Q&A forum and the question about Bo Katanís ďcod pieceĒ, such as its is actually counts as I such, and the answer was no. It is not considered a cod piece by MMC regs.

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« Reply #12 on: Apr 25, 2021, 10:27 PM »
I like the new width of the chest plate.  Just be sure you can raise both your arms up without them being pushed out by it.   ;)

As to the cod...I went with a armored loin cloth so I am no expert.  If you look at Boba it runs from the waist items to just between the legs.  If you look at Bo Katan, hers almost sits between the hips and does not go down as far but I wouldn't go any higher then hers for sure.  So I think you have  a little bit of room to work with.   Your ruus' will correct me if I am wrong.  ;D

Good luck and keep building.  :like: :cookie:

I was originally going to do a loincloth too but I realized that it just didn't fit the ~~vibe~~ I had in mind for the kit lol  :P I made a quick mockup and positioned it about where hers sits and it wasn't too uncomfortable, so I think you're right about not going higher than hers. I did get a reply on my other thread from Falke, who said that there isn't a hard and fast rule, but since flat cods aren't allowed, logic dictates that they have to be low enough to need shaping in the first place.


I was reading the Q&A forum and the question about Bo Katanís ďcod pieceĒ, such as its is actually counts as I such, and the answer was no. It is not considered a cod piece by MMC regs.

I'm planning on using a design similar to the animated Bo-Katan's cod but I wasn't sure how much freedom I have to shift it up/down.

Wrong Bo-Katan vod. Thanks tho.

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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2021, 10:35 PM »
Quick updates!

The more I looked at the pointy ab plate the less I liked it, so I swapped it out for one that's flatter across the bottom like the traditional Fett-style ab. It's wider and a little shorter so my mobility is  better, and I think it looks more proportional. The new trauma plate design is TBD.

I did hear somewhere that the bottom of the ab and the bottom of the backplate are supposed to line up, is that just a rule of thumb to ensure the backplate is roughly long enough?



I also got my cheek templates drafted! It took a couple iterations but I'm really happy with the way they turned out. I felt very legit posing in the mirror with my paper half-helmet and paper chest armor  :laugh:

   

I went ahead and bought the Bo-Katan vest pattern from Sionnach studios because it was just too cool to pass up. I am planning on replacing the back velcro closure with a side zipper and a snap at the back of the neck though, I hate velcro  :P 

I also went down a "what kinds of seams do you use to make pants" rabbit-hole yesterday (apparently the answer is mostly welt and mock flat-fell seams) because I really want the flight suit construction to be sturdy. I'm thinking about adding a panel of stretch suede on the inner thighs, kind of like what full seat riding breeches have.

At any rate, I'm flying home next weekend so I should be able to pick up my flightsuit pattern mockup and hopefully start making some real progress!

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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2021, 02:17 AM »
Quick updates!

The more I looked at the pointy ab plate the less I liked it, so I swapped it out for one that's flatter across the bottom like the traditional Fett-style ab. It's wider and a little shorter so my mobility is  better, and I think it looks more proportional. The new trauma plate design is TBD.

I did hear somewhere that the bottom of the ab and the bottom of the backplate are supposed to line up, is that just a rule of thumb to ensure the backplate is roughly long enough?



I also got my cheek templates drafted! It took a couple iterations but I'm really happy with the way they turned out. I felt very legit posing in the mirror with my paper half-helmet and paper chest armor  :laugh:

   

I went ahead and bought the Bo-Katan vest pattern from Sionnach studios because it was just too cool to pass up. I am planning on replacing the back velcro closure with a side zipper and a snap at the back of the neck though, I hate velcro  :P 

I also went down a "what kinds of seams do you use to make pants" rabbit-hole yesterday (apparently the answer is mostly welt and mock flat-fell seams) because I really want the flight suit construction to be sturdy. I'm thinking about adding a panel of stretch suede on the inner thighs, kind of like what full seat riding breeches have.

At any rate, I'm flying home next weekend so I should be able to pick up my flightsuit pattern mockup and hopefully start making some real progress!

The Modern CRLs donít say anything about the bottoms of the ab and back plates lining up. However,  they do say that neither  can extend past the bottom edge of the vest nor touch the waist items.

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« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2021, 10:52 AM »
I asked this in the female armor section and didn't get a response so maybe I'll get one here, but is there a requirement for where the bottom edge of the cod plate needs to be located? I'm planning on using a design similar to the animated Bo-Katan's cod but I wasn't sure how much freedom I have to shift it up/down.
Hey Rhue-

Just catching up here...  I'd say you have some leeway as to the exact length of the cod, as it is not explicitly spelled out in the CRLs.  If you go with a similar length to the animated Bo-Katan I would think that you should be okay?  Once you get your paper template sized and cut, if you want to send me pics I can run them past the west coast ruus chat and make sure.

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« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2021, 03:29 AM »
Hey Rhue-

Just catching up here...  I'd say you have some leeway as to the exact length of the cod, as it is not explicitly spelled out in the CRLs.  If you go with a similar length to the animated Bo-Katan I would think that you should be okay?  Once you get your paper template sized and cut, if you want to send me pics I can run them past the west coast ruus chat and make sure.

Thanks! I'll get you some pics later this week hopefully.


Well, I finally graduated! I'm back home now, and I celebrated my long-awaited reunion with my sewing machine by putting together my vest mockup! The pattern is one-size so I just sewed it as-is, but I might add ~1/4" to both side seams just to account for any extra bulk from my flight suit. I'm really happy with the fit, but I would appreciate a second opinion!

Now that I'm looking at it, I might also need to make the bottom band a bit taller since I'll lose some of the width to the seam allowance, and I didn't have too much space between the bottom edge of my ab plate and the raw hem of the mockup.

     


My flight suit is also being worked on, I tried it on yesterday and fixed a couple fitting issues I'd had previously, so I'm ready to move on to mockup #2. No pics yet, but hopefully I'll have some soon.

Last thing, A'Vhekad mentioned my shin plates looked short so I grabbed a quick pic of them with my boots and knee plates on for reference. To be honest I don't think they're too short but let me know if I'm wrong! (and sorry for the weird angle, there isn't a single full-length mirror in my house so I had to stand on a chair  :-\ )

     

I'm also going to my very first AP soon! I'm super excited  :porg2:

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« Reply #17 on: Jun 01, 2021, 10:26 AM »
It good to see progress.  ;D 
I also think your shins look a touch small for you but there isn't a set size in the CRLs.  It could also be that you don't have the template for the boot armor on which will throw of the visual perception of the amount of armor you're going to be wearing on your leg.  If you look at Sabine and Clan Wren



You can see that the shin guard runs from an inch or two below the knee to just over the ankle with a cut out or flared pieces over the front of the joint. 

Jango's is  little smaller.



Looks like it ends either at or just above the ankle joint.  This is probably closer to what your looking for.  You are planning on doing boot plates if I remember your mockup correctly so a little shorter would work with the boot plate filling the gap over the laces of your boots.  Just make sure to engineer it to allow for foot movement. 

Then there's the animated Bo Katan whitch ends a bit higher then either of them. Looks like 1-2 inches at the knee and 1-2 inches above the ankle



So adjust as you see fit.   ;) 

Vest looks lovely and yeah you probably will want to lengthen it a bit so that you have room for a hem.  :like:

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« Reply #18 on: Jun 01, 2021, 07:20 PM »
So adjust as you see fit.   ;) 

Thanks for the clarification on the sizing! It seems like this should be the easiest part but nooo  :laugh: So what you're saying is that I should either make them longer and fit them over my boots, a la Jango, or make the knee/shin/boot spacing look more like Bo's, right?

Of the 3 images you showed I like Bo's style the best, but if my templates already look too small I don't want to make them any shorter, so I probably need to get shorter boots. I found a pair on Amazon that are popular with the canon Bo builders, I think they might work better than my chunky steel toes, plus I'll be able to modify them if I want since they're not work boots  :laugh:

In other news, I'm making progress on my helmet! I got tired of sewing for a few days so my helmet is taking shape, but there's still a decent amount of work that needs to be done before it's ready for fiberglassing.



I'm undecided about whether I should leave the dome with just the cardstock (with resin inside and outside, and 2 or 3 layers of fiberglass mat on the inside) or replace it with the cardboard I used for the rest of the helmet, but still use the resin and fiberglass mat. The last scratch built helmet I made turned out really top heavy, so I'm trying to avoid that this time. Any advice?

Thanks for reading!

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« Reply #19 on: Jun 04, 2021, 02:57 PM »
For the helmet, you need to fiberglass the cardstock. Put some fiberglass resin on it first to stiffen the paper. Once that's cured, get the fiberglass paste they sell at Walmart and spread that on. You can also embed some fiberglass cloth in the paste to give it more strength. Then sand it down with a rough grit sandpaper to even out the surface and get rid of the lumps. Coat it with thin layers of bondo and sand it smooth, then use spot glaze to fill in the tiny imperfections. Filler primer, sand, filler primer, sand, filler primer, sand, then prime and paint.

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« Reply #20 on: Jun 04, 2021, 03:55 PM »
Yeah, I was definitely planning to fiberglass the whole thing! What I meant by my question was if I could leave the cardstock for the dome instead of remaking the dome out of cardboard like the rest of the helmet is. I know people make pepakura helmets that are entirely cardstock but I was worried that the cardstock dome might warp since it's supporting the heavier cardboard base. And thanks for the tip about the fiberglass paste, is that what Bondo Glass is or are those two different things?

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« Reply #21 on: Jun 07, 2021, 03:49 PM »
All of my helmets are cardstock.

I coat them with a layer of epoxy resin (inside and out). Once this is dry I had fiberglass cloth and more resin to the inside. When if't firm and structural, I Bondo the outside and begin to sand it smooth.

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« Reply #22 on: Jun 18, 2021, 09:30 PM »
OK vode, I've got several updates since I last posted!

I got my back vent and visor area cut out at the armor party (shout out to all the awesome Haran'galaar people I got to meet  :<3: ), and I have since added the first layer of resin on the outside, and two layers of fiberglass to the inside. Once the second inside layer dries I'm going to add one final coat of resin to the outside, just to seal in all the little fiberglass tufts that got stuck to the outside. I'm super excited about how sturdy yet light it seems so far, I'm just hoping that doesn't go out the window once I get the Bondo on  :laugh: I need to start figuring out what I'm going to do for the earcaps, too...









My vest is done, except for some topstitching I need to do on the bottom band. I ended up not putting in the neck snap since that spot is going to be covered by my backplate and/or hair anyways, and I was worried the extra layers would rub and get uncomfortable.









For the side closure, I couldn't find a separating zipper that was the exact length I needed, so I got a longer one with the intention of cutting it and adding a whipstitch so the zipper pull wouldn't come off. However, once I got my zipper installed I realized I could just fold the excess zipper over and tuck it into the vest. That allows the side flaps to sit mostly flat since the zipper pull isn't in the way, and it also make the vest super easy to unzip myself.

I also finished my second flight suit mockup yesterday and I think I'm done making alterations to my pattern. I went ahead and dyed the fabric today, but it came out more purple-grey than I'd like, so I'm going to pick up the Rit Back to Black kit and give it a once-over later this week. Pic below is the dyed fabric next to a pair of true black jeans for comparison, although it's not quite as noticeable a difference in person as it looks in the photo.





I promise this is the last time you'll hear me talk about shoe options, but I finally settled on a pair of brown leather Chelsea boots. They're shorter and don't have any laces so I can ditch the arch plates, I'll just need to cover up the logos on the heel.





The next thing I need to focus on is finalizing my exact armor color scheme soon so I can start ordering spray paint and sintra  :porg2:  My next update will hopefully include some more accurate sketches that show my trauma plate and accent color placement.

Thanks for reading!

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« Reply #23 on: Jun 19, 2021, 12:41 AM »
That looks so awesome! Shoes seem cool and you did an amazing job on the vest  :like:

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« Reply #24 on: Jun 19, 2021, 03:58 PM »
The vest looks amazing.   :<3:  I would recommend a hook and loop to close it in the back but that's just me.   I think the boots look great and not having to mess with laces is always a plus. 

The bucket is coming along nicely too!   :porg2:

I look forward to seeing some of your color ideas.  :like:

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