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[Unruhig]

Greetings.
I have been working on this for a little while on my computer as a concept for an Early Madalorian.
And as to design of my sigil...A red tulip, the international symbol for Parkinson's Disease, on the field of the Crusader.
Please, tell me what you think, your impressions, recommendations...
I look forward to your opinions.





Unruhig
(aka Brad)

[Tramp Graphics]

The armor looks good to me, but that’s not saying much. The sigil won’t fly though. It’s too “Earthly”, and, more importantly, as you pointed out, is the specific emblem for a real world organization/movement.

[Unruhig]

The sigil won’t fly though. It’s too “Earthly”, and, more importantly, as you pointed out, is the specific emblem for a real world organization/movement.

Yes, that had been pointed out to me about the sigil. I do have another concept idea that will portray the same meaning, but look more in universe and I'll be posting it once I've completed rendering it.

Thank you.

[Matchstick1021]

Your concept looks solid. I would post it to the Q&A board just so you can get confirmation that everything checks out.

[Unruhig]

The armor looks good to me, but that’s not saying much. The sigil won’t fly though. It’s too “Earthly”, and, more importantly, as you pointed out, is the specific emblem for a real world organization/movement.

I've worked through a redesign that might work out and still portray the same meaning to me. I've added scripting in Mando'a, with a stencil outline of an Alderaanian Candlewick flower. (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Candlewick_flower)

[Tramp Graphics]

That works much better. 

[PSessum]

This is a weird thing to nitpick, especially since if it has a lot of personal meaning. I'm really not sure how your first design couldn't also be a candlewick flower. I'm guessing that in the vast expanse of the galaxy, there is at least one flower that looks like your first image.

But if you want to nerd out, it is canon that Asogian's exist in the Star Wars universe and A New Hope takes place "a long time ago" it is possible that they visited earth at least once long before their most famous visitor (E.T.) did and either recorded large fields of tulips or brought some back before humans were the dominant species on the planet. But then aren't we getting too into the weeds of a made up galaxy to deny someone something simple that means something to them?

[Tramp Graphics]

This is a weird thing to nitpick, especially since if it has a lot of personal meaning. I'm really not sure how your first design couldn't also be a candlewick flower. I'm guessing that in the vast expanse of the galaxy, there is at least one flower that looks like your first image.

But if you want to nerd out, it is canon that Asogian's exist in the Star Wars universe and A New Hope takes place "a long time ago" it is possible that they visited earth at least once long before their most famous visitor (E.T.) did and either recorded large fields of tulips or brought some back before humans were the dominant species on the planet. But then aren't we getting too into the weeds of a made up galaxy to deny someone something simple that means something to them?

Unfortunately, no. The club has some pretty strict rules regarding “Earth iconography” and the like.

[PSessum]

Unfortunately, no. The club has some pretty strict rules regarding “Earth iconography” and the like.

I don't think you are the final decision on that, and my point is there is no way to prove that a flower similar to a tulip doesn't exist in the Star Wars universe. If you have some proof, then I will humbly admit I am wrong. But a simple "no" isn't an effective counter argument.

How cold do you have to be to reject a stylized version of a symbol of Parkinson's Disease?

[Arminius]

I don't think you are the final decision on that, and my point is there is no way to prove that a flower similar to a tulip doesn't exist in the Star Wars universe. If you have some proof, then I will humbly admit I am wrong. But a simple "no" isn't an effective counter argument.

How cold do you have to be to reject a stylized version of a symbol of Parkinson's Disease?

True, but one could also say there is no way to prove that a flower similar to a tulip exists in Star Wars. That, however, is speculation and that is not the focus of this group. The tulip may or may not exist in the SW galaxy, but until we have proof it does we must work under the assumption that it doesn't. The candlewick exists, so you can use it.

And, coming from someone whose kit is a tribute to a deceased relative, no one ever said you couldn't add a symbol of Parkinson's in your kit, only that it cannot be obvious. Lots of people add some sort of symbolic meaning to many parts of their kits, which is permitted, but it has to be in line with the CRLs and the tulip most likely is not.

Note: One of my early concepts for my kit was a poppy, but like I said it would have been too obvious and wouldn't have worked with the rest of the kit, so I switched it to a millaflower due to its similar appearance to the red poppy before scratching the concept entirely.

[Tramp Graphics]

True, but one could also say there is no way to prove that a flower similar to a tulip exists in Star Wars. That, however, is speculation and that is not the focus of this group. The tulip may or may not exist in the SW galaxy, but until we have proof it does we must work under the assumption that it doesn't. The candlewick exists, so you can use it.

And, coming from someone whose kit is a tribute to a deceased relative, no one ever said you couldn't add a symbol of Parkinson's in your kit, only that it cannot be obvious. Lots of people add some sort of symbolic meaning to many parts of their kits, which is permitted, but it has to be in line with the CRLs and the tulip most likely is not.

Note: One of my early concepts for my kit was a poppy, but like I said it would have been too obvious and wouldn't have worked with the rest of the kit, so I switched it to a millaflower due to its similar appearance to the red poppy before scratching the concept entirely.

I don't think you are the final decision on that, and my point is there is no way to prove that a flower similar to a tulip doesn't exist in the Star Wars universe. If you have some proof, then I will humbly admit I am wrong. But a simple "no" isn't an effective counter argument.

How cold do you have to be to reject a stylized version of a symbol of Parkinson's Disease?

Exactly. This comes directly from the CRLs:

Earth Culture References:
Items that are considered to be too recognizable as an item, symbol, or pattern from a real world culture will be prohibited. Any conspicuous earthly cultural/military/zoological/religious/mythological references, patterns or symbols, numerical characters, alphabet characters or scripts that don’t fit in the Star Wars aesthetic/universe will not be permitted on official member kits without significant modification to appear as such. These items are considered “too earthly” to fit into the Star Wars aesthetic.

So, this isn’t my ruling. This is directly from the CRLs themselves. That’s why I pointed it out.

[PSessum]

I wish you applied the same attention to detail to the CRLs as what I posted.

"I'm really not sure how your first design couldn't also be a candlewick flower." I looked at the reference, and thought it still looked liked a stylized version of the in universe flower. The only effective counter argument would be to explain how the the symbol didn't look like the flower, which I acknowledge is subjective.

I am not going to get into a nitpicking argument with people who aren't actually understanding what i am saying and just want to argue.

To the original poster, Parkinsons Disease is a horrible thing and whatever your connection that makes you want to acknowledge it or raise awareness, you have my compassion. Good luck on finding a suitable sigil to use. Take care.

[Matchstick1021]

Tramp is correct about earth references. The CRLs are very clear on that.

However using an in-universe flower such as the Candlewick is totally allowed and fits as a perfect substitute for a tulip in my opinion.

Unruhig your symbol will work perfectly and I look forward to seeing your build progress!

[Unruhig]

I don't think you are the final decision on that, and my point is there is no way to prove that a flower similar to a tulip doesn't exist in the Star Wars universe. If you have some proof, then I will humbly admit I am wrong. But a simple "no" isn't an effective counter argument.

How cold do you have to be to reject a stylized version of a symbol of Parkinson's Disease?

I wish you applied the same attention to detail to the CRLs as what I posted.

"I'm really not sure how your first design couldn't also be a candlewick flower." I looked at the reference, and thought it still looked liked a stylized version of the in universe flower. The only effective counter argument would be to explain how the the symbol didn't look like the flower, which I acknowledge is subjective.

I am not going to get into a nitpicking argument with people who aren't actually understanding what i am saying and just want to argue.

To the original poster, Parkinsons Disease is a horrible thing and whatever your connection that makes you want to acknowledge it or raise awareness, you have my compassion. Good luck on finding a suitable sigil to use. Take care.

I'd like to thank you for coming to my defense in regards to my sigil. The point of the fact is, that my first design is actually an Earthly symbol for Parkinson's Disease, it is in fact the Parkinson's Tulip logo itself. (http://www.newnanpd.org/2018/04/the-red-tulip.html?m=1) Since that is a recognizable logo/emblem that is specific to Earth is why I'm not able to use it.  So I completely understand where others are coming from and why I needed to redesign it, which I had no problem with at all. I'm actually pleased to have been able to find an in-universe flower that so closely resembles the tulip to the point where it can still have personal meaning to me as a sufferer of Young Onset Parkinson's. And while yes, some of the CRLs look to be a bit nit-picky, they are there for a reason because a line must be drawn somewhere, and while some may not agree where that line is drawn it must be drawn and adhered to, otherwise it just would not work. If an exception were to be made for one, it must be made for all.

Again. I thank you all, and I hope to be a member of this fantastic group here before too long.

Your brother in arms
Unruhig