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Re: Loincloth question
« Reply #15 on: Aug 03, 2010, 05:16 PM »
Byzantine, Sarmatian, Saracen, Viking,  and such all wore clothes down to their ankles... Now, if you meant armor, that's a different set of cultures.

I was just confused by your comments.. Seemed a double standard or paradox, but, hey, I don't have a shiny flag next to my name, so I suppose it's not for me to reason such things out XD

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Re: Loincloth question
« Reply #16 on: Aug 03, 2010, 05:22 PM »
Byzantine, Sarmatian, Saracen, Viking,  and such all wore clothes down to their ankles... Now, if you meant armor, that's a different set of cultures.

I was just confused by your comments.. Seemed a double standard or paradox, but, hey, I don't have a shiny flag next to my name, so I suppose it's not for me to reason such things out XD

The 3 standards for if something works for your kit...

1. Is it Swarzy? If yes proceed to #2. If no, start over.
2. Is it relevant to the Mandalorian culture? If yes proceed to question 3. If no, start over
3. Is it relevant to the era? If yes, use it. If no, start over.

Modern Era, up until the Legacy comics, cod armor was the only thing that met all 3 criteria, yet we allowed them for the sake that they were possible. When Star Wars Legacy #41 hit shelves, we saw a slightly different yet immediatly recognizable set of Mando armor. It had a loincloth. But, look at the demensions of it.

All I'm really saying is essentially my opinion. If you want to have a big long or/and gilded loincloth like a Slave, dancer or Sith that's allowable. However, the only real refernce we have for Mandalorian loinclothes is mid thighish, perhaps shorter, about 8" wide and colored in what would likely be a tanned leather.

Personal opinion only, I dislike loinclothes, I dislike full capes, I dislike wraps instead of gaunts or bracers. I figure the less fabric the better. Out of all the great Mando's Ive ever seen in person or pix, I still find Ram Zerimar to be the best all around build to date. I personally find it better than Boba and Jango. It's practical, well put to gether, pleasing to the eye and looks like an armored warrior.

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Re: Loincloth question
« Reply #17 on: Aug 03, 2010, 06:00 PM »
The 3 standards for if something works for your kit...

1. Is it Swarzy? If yes proceed to #2. If no, start over.
2. Is it relevant to the Mandalorian culture? If yes proceed to question 3. If no, start over
3. Is it relevant to the era? If yes, use it. If no, start over.

Modern Era, up until the Legacy comics, cod armor was the only thing that met all 3 criteria, yet we allowed them for the sake that they were possible. When Star Wars Legacy #41 hit shelves, we saw a slightly different yet immediatly recognizable set of Mando armor. It had a loincloth. But, look at the demensions of it.

All I'm really saying is essentially my opinion. If you want to have a big long or/and gilded loincloth like a Slave, dancer or Sith that's allowable. However, the only real refernce we have for Mandalorian loinclothes is mid thighish, perhaps shorter, about 8" wide and colored in what would likely be a tanned leather.

Personal opinion only, I dislike loinclothes, I dislike full capes, I dislike wraps instead of gaunts or bracers. I figure the less fabric the better. Out of all the great Mando's Ive ever seen in person or pix, I still find Ram Zerimar to be the best all around build to date. I personally find it better than Boba and Jango. It's practical, well put to gether, pleasing to the eye and looks like an armored warrior.

Just pickin at ya, but by all that reasoning... Why do we allow customized armor shapes or gaunts? XD

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Re: Loincloth question
« Reply #18 on: Aug 03, 2010, 07:10 PM »
All right guys.  The point has been made and covered like beating a dead bantha. 

Back on topic I will put in my $.02 worth in on the loin cloth argument that I have to agree with both sides somewhat.

Yes, Loin cloths can look good and look bad.  That whole part depends on how you make it work with your kit.  We have seen many attempts at a loin cloth that looked like nothing more than a dish towel or beach towel stuffed into a belt.  This, from a quality control point of view can look shotty and smell of a lack of effort.  I have also seen some great looking ones that work with the costume, and beyond the fact that they donít have a solid cod, would never be noticed as anything but part of a well built kit.

My suggestion is this, if you wish to do a loin cloth, there is nothing in the CRLís that will keep you from using it on your kit.  That being said, what many of us are saying is that if you are planning on doing it, try to make it work with your kit.  I will also suggest that if you are planning on doing a loin cloth instead of a cod, you might want to think about using more than the minimum number of pieces of armor below the belt.  Kits with a loin cloth and then only other piece of lower armor can really look lacking of hard armor without the hard cod piece.

Also as said, your look can be determined by what your character does for a living.  As Spanner said, the use of such items can be explained by your profession ie. His cloth is used as a rag for working on vehicles.  Remember, even though all Mandos can fight, not all Mandos are primarily warriors.  Gabrinís Senators kit has long flowing panels and a loin cloth in the front.  That kit is not a combat kit by any means, and the additional flow of her cloth adds to the up scale and senatorial look.

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Re: Loincloth question
« Reply #19 on: Aug 03, 2010, 07:13 PM »
To put my .02 in, for what it's worth. I was gonna go about 8 inches long and 6-8inches wide. Should hang down to just below the crotch area on my pants. I may make it a tad longer depending on how that looks, but certainly not longer than mid thigh. Just personal preference there. I was planning on attaching armor to the front of it and weighing down the hem with something to give it a more slightly heavy feel and hopefully prevent it from blowing up in a strong breeze. Not sure if I'll use actual leather or not. Maybe faux leather or some other sturdy material, but to be honest that's about as far as I've gotten so far. The decision to do a loin cloth instead of cod was just personal preference and once I actually do it who knows? I may decide I hate it and switch, but for now this is where I'm leaning.

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Re: Loincloth question
« Reply #20 on: Aug 04, 2010, 08:02 AM »
Just pickin at ya, but by all that reasoning... Why do we allow customized armor shapes or gaunts? XD

Because 1 persons opinion doesn't take away from the fact that there are canon references for most of what we allow.  I hate wrist wraps with a passion, because I've rarely seen them done and look good. However, there are canon references to them which is why we choose to allow them at this point. 

Uber-long loin cloths and kamas have the ability to cause confusion since you have other costumes like sith and jedi that wear similar items. 

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Re: Loincloth question
« Reply #21 on: Aug 04, 2010, 01:47 PM »
Uber-long loin cloths and kamas have the ability to cause confusion since you have other costumes like sith and jedi that wear similar items. 

And senators. And slaves. Anyway, a well-done loin cloth, like a kama or a cape or practically any other part you could name, including custom armor shapes and gaunts, fits so well with the overall look of the costume that you don't really notice that "it's a loin cloth!" A poorly done one hangs there saying "I'm a loin cloth and I don't belong here." And there's some gray area in between. And there's a caveat, any and all of the above-mentioned can fit perfectly into the overall look of a costume...that still doesn't look like a mandalorian.

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Re: Loincloth question
« Reply #22 on: Aug 04, 2010, 02:14 PM »
Ca'tra makes the best point possible.  The principle of "fits together" should be remembered and applied to every costume subject, period.

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Re: Loincloth question
« Reply #23 on: Aug 04, 2010, 07:07 PM »
I'm just hoping that since I have a long loin, it won't get me dinged.

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Re: Loincloth question
« Reply #24 on: Aug 04, 2010, 10:18 PM »
I'm just hoping that since I have a long loin, it won't get me dinged.

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Re: Loincloth question
« Reply #25 on: Sep 01, 2010, 10:38 AM »
I'm just hoping that since I have a long loin, it won't get me dinged.

Best. Quote. EVER!

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Re: Loincloth question
« Reply #26 on: Sep 01, 2010, 01:16 PM »
Long loin!!! HAH!!!!!!!!

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Re: Loincloth question
« Reply #27 on: Sep 01, 2010, 03:01 PM »
... Out of all the great Mando's Ive ever seen in person or pix, I still find Ram Zerimar to be the best all around build to date. I personally find it better than Boba and Jango. It's practical, well put to gether, pleasing to the eye and looks like an armored warrior.

I don't mean to hi-jack the rousing discussion regarding Loins of all shapes and sizes here  :rolleyes: but I just want to say that I completely agree with this statement. It also begs for a discussion on how to stand/walk when posing/trooping. There are many mando suits (of all shapes, genders, and sizes) that are made or broken by the swagger of the wearer. You can go find the Dune Sea pics with Ram and others in them. His kit is great, and not really higher quality or more expensive ... but he's an Armored Warrior in Real Life (Army Sniper), and that sells his kit on another level entirely. For all of my Fandalorianism to date, Ram's kit was the one that inspired me to put together my own (well, and I found a really great group of people to help me with that /mercs)

Of course, when trooping, the point is to have fun ... so I'm not saying you can't bring a Big Wheel and play around on it ... just like the "Off Duty" section that the 501st has.

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Re: Loincloth question
« Reply #28 on: Sep 01, 2010, 03:10 PM »
I see loin cloths as a form of decoration...and a way to get around that cod armor issue. It is a notorious history of causing pain, discomfort and cutting into suits and thighs. I've reworked my design to get rid of the "flairing skirt" kama I first came up with. The design tapers down from front to back and the loin will off set the front but also match and compliment. IMHO I have seen some kamas can be kind of...idk...plain, bland. Sure they add more to a costume...but they can make an already skinny guy...rail thin and longer at the middle. I TRY to design for function, ease of movement...for hiding things *coughs*weight*coughs*, as well as style while keeping it looking Mando. An assassin doesn't exactly have to look like a standard Mando.

For costuming, the loin has its uses, but if the loin doesn't fly...stick with the cod. Ya only got two choice lol

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