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OS Death Watch grunt
« on: Sep 15, 2011, 09:25 AM »
Heyo!  I'm going to slowly start the ball rolling on this project.  I've already built the helmet (you can see it here:)

http://mandalorianmercs.org/forum/index.php?topic=42819.0

Now, I have a question before I get too gung-ho.  In the OS comics, ALL of the DW mandos were men.  However, I am not.  Should I build this kit as if I were a man or would it be feasible that there were DW women?  I can see the benefits/arguments either way, so I'd like an official answer.   :)

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Re: OS Death Watch grunt
« Reply #1 on: Sep 15, 2011, 09:45 AM »
My official stance is the same as with the Mandalorian Protectors (I probably should have spelled it out here as well). Female-style plates are acceptable, provided they follow the same general appearance/configuration as Fett-style plates. So essentially, your Arden chest plates would be acceptable, although I'd rather see a more Fett-standard ab plate.

Edit: Reworded the DW BRL to reflect that stance.

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Re: OS Death Watch grunt
« Reply #2 on: Sep 15, 2011, 10:40 AM »
No worries on the plate style, I'm going to make this as canon as possible.  In fact, I'll likely use actual  Fett plates but with a slight curve-- you probably won't be able to even tell I'm female once I'm done.  I just wanted to know if the 'boob bend' was acceptable, as it DOES make this stuff more comfortable.

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Re: OS Death Watch grunt
« Reply #3 on: Sep 15, 2011, 11:31 AM »
At first, back when I was compiling everyone's suggestions for DW, TM and MPs, I considered making it a requirement for womenfolk to use male plates, as we've only ever seen males (not counting the new fem TCW DW), but I figured it was unfair, as some gals simply cannot comfortably swing male plates. Sticking as close to the male look as possible is probably for the best, but the 'boob bend' is definitely acceptable for comfort's sake.

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Re: OS Death Watch grunt
« Reply #4 on: Sep 16, 2011, 08:09 AM »
i look forward to seeing this Arden, i've always been a fan of your work  ;) .

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Re: OS Death Watch grunt
« Reply #5 on: Oct 22, 2011, 06:43 PM »
I drew up a plan today (sorry for the cellphone picture of the picture, lol) and just want to make sure it'll be canon enough.  I'm really not bending any rules except potentially the 'weapons platform' gauntlets-- I'd argue, however, that 'weapons platform' doesn't necessarily mean missile weapons, and could cover melee-type stuff as seen below-- and the required crush gaunts could very well extend into full gauntlets.  I also found these reference pictures:





the first seems to show a hand-plate crush gaunt with spikes extending back to the elbow, and the second shows a grunt without a missile weapon.

I also echoed the spikes on the foot plates so it 'rhymes' between the hands and feet.  I'm hoping this'll be canon enough, as I really like this design and I'd hate to have to revert to Jango gaunts.

So.... what says the experts?


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Re: OS Death Watch grunt
« Reply #6 on: Oct 22, 2011, 08:17 PM »
Brigade's are Slade's domain so he'll have to sound off here.

But, I will say this, I like your design here alot and I think it is unmistably Open Season's Deathwatch.

That said, my personal thoughts only, is the Canon Brigades aren't really adapted to present alot of freedom from reference. I don't think the gaunts, without at least 1 solid visual reference, are too outside the expectation from the artwork. The crushgaunts are great, minus the two big spikes on the back of the hands. I'd have to give a thumbs down on the foot plate spikes as well.

Now, I 100% agree with your estimations that they could, in universe, exist as you described. I also agree that the rendering looks AWESOME! As a custom Deathwatch, I would find this to be a sparkling example of a great custom Mandalorian costume. However, for me, for the canon brigade, there is too much "not referenced" material in the design.

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Re: OS Death Watch grunt
« Reply #7 on: Oct 22, 2011, 08:22 PM »
So you think it's good to go as long as I remove those 8 spikes (two on each foot and two on each hand plate?)  I'm totally down with that, it's mostly the gaunts themselves with the rows of spikes that I wanted to keep, if at all possible.  awesome.  :D

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Re: OS Death Watch grunt
« Reply #8 on: Oct 22, 2011, 08:25 PM »
Those spikes and the gaunts are what Im referring to.

Again, this is Slade's domain I'm just giving my opinion as it relates here, I think it's a FINE design. On a personal note, I quite like it. It reminds me of when I rocked my spiked mailed gaunts.

But, for the Canon Brigade, my understanding is that imagination is essentially removed. The whole idea is to build build the costumes as true to type, design and color as they are represented in the visual reference. Without one with a clear view of gaunts in that design, I can't see it.

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Re: OS Death Watch grunt
« Reply #9 on: Oct 22, 2011, 08:27 PM »
Brigade's are Slade's domain so he'll have to sound off here.

But, I will say this, I like your design here alot and I think it is unmistably Open Season's Deathwatch.

That said, my personal thoughts only, is the Canon Brigades aren't really adapted to present alot of freedom from reference. I don't think the gaunts, without at least 1 solid visual reference, are too outside the expectation from the artwork. The crushgaunts are great, minus the two big spikes on the back of the hands. I'd have to give a thumbs down on the foot plate spikes as well.

Now, I 100% agree with your estimations that they could, in universe, exist as you described. I also agree that the rendering looks AWESOME! As a custom Deathwatch, I would find this to be a sparkling example of a great custom Mandalorian costume. However, for me, for the canon brigade, there is too much "not referenced" material in the design.

This ^^^^^^

I have to say though your overall design is pretty sweet. If you weren't looking to go canon on this I would say roll with it. However, as Falin pointed out, those are two of the things I think are hangups, unless I've missed those references somewhere (which I don't think I have but may have :D :P) Not sure if the gaunts with spikes would be considered canon tho  :(

My other concern is the knees. The knees themselves are great, the darts on the sides however I am not too sure if those are indeed canon for OS Deathwatch. I'll look through the images again but I am thinkin' those too might be a hang up. By what I remember the OS Deathwatch just have standard knees (unless this also suffers the curse of Jodo Kast and the characters somehow gain and lose costume parts within a frame!)

Overall though, hot dog! Lookin good sista! I personally REALLLLLLY like the design. Now, to make it somehow fit into canon brigade!

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Re: OS Death Watch grunt
« Reply #10 on: Oct 22, 2011, 10:03 PM »
Well, it's easy enough to fit it... I just have to trade out the gaunts, lol.

How about if I take the spikes off and add a rocket on each one?  So basically... in the drawing, imagine the spikes gone, and a rocket running down the centerline instead?

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Re: OS Death Watch grunt
« Reply #11 on: Oct 22, 2011, 11:31 PM »
If that was done I don't see why not. Looks pretty darned close. Just def check on the knees tho also.

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Re: OS Death Watch grunt
« Reply #12 on: Oct 25, 2011, 01:01 AM »
Sorry for the tardiness of my response; been a busy few days trying to fix my car and still find time to sleep and eat between work shifts.

Falin pretty well nailed it; the design of the gauntlets and boot spikes look awesome, but both are a little outside what we see depicted in the comic. I would say that if you lose the spikes and put a rocket down the centerline of each gauntlet, that'd be perfect. Other than that, the concept art looks perfect :).

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Re: OS Death Watch grunt
« Reply #13 on: Nov 04, 2011, 06:53 PM »
Just purchased some Clone wars deathwatch gaunts and CW knees.  The CW knees are surprisingly similar to what is shown in the comic, and the gaunts should be a nice, subtle nod to what the deathwatch turns into during the clone wars era.  :D

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Re: OS Death Watch grunt
« Reply #14 on: Dec 05, 2011, 07:37 PM »
Dun dun dunnnn....  working hard on this project, and I've finished the gaunts/hands!  MUUUUCH closer to canon now, lol.  I noted the 'gun barrel' type design as being the most common represented in the comic panels-- dunno what it does, exactly, but I guess it was easy enough for the comic artist to draw/  ;)












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