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 Zophar Ptay - Late Crusader Engineer [Index in first post]

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Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
« Reply #15 on: Sep 25, 2011, 02:05 PM »
I actually like the second from the left. Personally I'd also add the smaller part from the previously posted mask on the other cheek but, that's just me. I say if your gonna go with a Late Crusader go with one of the modified visors that belongs to that era. I know most here are "T" and only "T" kinda people but, that's what's fun about this era-the customization. (No offense Kel ;))

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Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
« Reply #16 on: Sep 25, 2011, 02:28 PM »
Non taken  ;) I quite like the David Bowie one  ;D

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Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
« Reply #17 on: Sep 25, 2011, 04:33 PM »
Personally I'd also add the smaller part from the previously posted mask on the other cheek but, that's just me.

Sorry, not sure I follow.  You think I should swap the canister bit on the design with the pair of "fangs" over to the right cheek instead of the left?  Once I have a mockup I'll check that out.  One thought about that was that if I do ever decide to give him a rifle, having the canister sticking out of his right cheek could make that a bit difficult.  I think once I have a few more ideas sketched out I'm going to do a paper-and-cereal-box mockup to get a better idea of what the look and contours will be; I will tinker with exact canister placement and all at that point.  Once that is done I will have a nice full-scale working model to build from.

I say if your gonna go with a Late Crusader go with one of the modified visors that belongs to that era. I know most here are "T" and only "T" kinda people but, that's what's fun about this era-the customization. (No offense Kel ;))

You would say that.. the only completed early crusader, aren't you?  The Queen of Unique. :P  That was more or less my thought too... every other era has a T visor, this is the one chance to really do something different with it.  I definitely want to explore the TT more.  Maybe I'll sketch up an idea using that visor with the "fangs" style face plate of the originally posted sketch this afternoon.  My first few were TTs and came out like David Bowie above, I think I just needed to get into the feel of the lines and I'll go back to working on that after I get a couple more ideas down.

Non taken  ;) I quite like the David Bowie one  ;D

 ;D :P   It may actually work for an early era one carved from bone  :rolleyes:

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Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
« Reply #18 on: Sep 25, 2011, 06:39 PM »
Sorry, not sure I follow.

This is what I was trying to explain. It just seemed a little visually heavy with only the one filter, which is rather large. I like the asymmetrical look, I just think it needed some balance.



the only completed early crusader, aren't you? 

Not completed, not approved, and not official...yet. ;)

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Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
« Reply #19 on: Sep 25, 2011, 06:50 PM »
Ahhh.  Gotcha.   I had thought about that too.  I was debating between that or leaving it polished and clean.  I was tossing around the idea that leaving it clean on one side almost implies that the canister was a later modification to the helm and deciding it I liked that or not.  On the practical side, there really should be an exhaust vent since the canister generally works as in intake vent and presumably the helmets are sealed otherwise a filter canister is somewhat pointless. 

Also, I was planning to avoid the ubiquitous hoses running everywhere but is I am going with a comm pack maybe there should be a hose through which he would run cables and such?  Or do we assume/know that something akin to bluetooth exitsts in-universe to allow the comm system in his helmet to connect to the kit in his pack?

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Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
« Reply #20 on: Sep 25, 2011, 06:58 PM »
Double post..

Not completed, not approved, and not official...yet. ;)


Ah, not yet.  Sorry :P


Another thought, that helm was the only one I posted which didn't have an integrated head lamp and all oft he others had the lamp at top dead center.  What is perhaps I "counter-balanced" the canister with a light source?  I'm on my way out for a bit, but I'll sketch that idea out later perhaps.  As for size, I'm thinking the canister is roughly tuna-can-sized.  I'll have to play with the full-scale model when it's done and play with that though, that might end up being HUGE in perspective.

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Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
« Reply #21 on: Sep 25, 2011, 11:10 PM »
another thought, I was planning to avoid hoses, but one running to the helmet could conceal a hose running from a cameblack hidden in the communications backpack...

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Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
« Reply #22 on: Sep 26, 2011, 11:21 PM »


Alright, I did a few more TT sketches but I can't help thinking they either look like some wrestler or a super-villain.  Helmet C is the one I posted the turn-about for above and I am rather liking the way [A], [C] and [E] come down in the front for the "fangs".  I haven't given up on the canster, I just got tired of trying to draw them in every sketch.  Seugtai commented that she liked helmet (B) so I tinkered with it a bit more and came up with [F], which I think I like the shape of more.  I picture [F] as being similar in shape to an ATV helmet from the side but haven't had time to sketch it out from that view yet.  I'm afraid it may not come far enough down the neck if I do it like that.  Perhaps an ATV/motocross style helmet that is high in the back with specially-designed segmented neck armour in the back might do it?

As of right now, I think I am bouncing back and forth between [C] and [F].

As always, comments and suggestions are appreciated. 

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Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
« Reply #23 on: Sep 27, 2011, 09:52 AM »
My lack of crusader knowledge not withstanding, based off what you told me in PM and this thread, you've got a really solid idea here. It's a hell of a daunting task, creating a crusader, but once you're approved you'll be one of the few who've actually done it. (we're all waiting on seugtai to be the first)

As for your helmet design, I like A the best but if you're leaning towards C or F more my opinion is bring the dome of A and put it on C. F does look a little too streamlined to be a crusader.


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Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
« Reply #24 on: Sep 27, 2011, 03:22 PM »
My lack of crusader knowledge not withstanding, based off what you told me in PM and this thread, you've got a really solid idea here. It's a hell of a daunting task, creating a crusader, but once you're approved you'll be one of the few who've actually done it. (we're all waiting on seugtai to be the first)

Yes, the seugtai armour is incredible.  She is early crusader, I'm going for a late crusader.  Not so "primative" looking but still before the kits were more or less standardized.

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As for your helmet design, I like A the best but if you're leaning towards C or F more my opinion is bring the dome of A and put it on C. F does look a little too streamlined to be a crusader.

That can certainly be arranged.  Or perhaps a combination of the two.  Take the mohawk from [C] and the brow ridges from [A].  I am debating the hoses.  If I run hose(s), I can use one to hide a camelback hose from the "communications" backpack, and a friend last night suggested that I could use the other for airflow.  If I put a fairly high CFM fan in the pack and funnel it directly into the hose, I might get a decent airflow without having the noise of the fan in the helm itself.  Maybe for the time being I will leave it smooth but plan a spot to add a hose nipple or two at a later time.

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Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
« Reply #25 on: Sep 27, 2011, 05:01 PM »
something like this?


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Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
« Reply #26 on: Sep 27, 2011, 05:54 PM »
Mav - I wouldn't have thought of that... that has potential.   I've got my wife's bike helmet and a stack of cardboard and scarp paper, I'm going to throw a quick model together.  I should have it posted in a bit.

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Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
« Reply #27 on: Sep 27, 2011, 07:50 PM »
Paper model thrown together using my wife's helmet .  What?  Polka dots aren't in-universe?  I know the visor isn't quite straight and I'll thin out the horizontal part of the visor opening.  the opening in the front of the mohawk will be sealed with a head lamp in it.  leave the back of the hawk open a smidge to be a vent.  sides of the 'hawk will sweep in rather than vertical like this, and work "eyebrows" into the hawk.  also the back curl naturally didn't stay put in printer paper.






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Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
« Reply #28 on: Sep 27, 2011, 08:24 PM »
I think you need to widen out the mandables a bit more and keep that angle that they have about halfway down but you're off to a good start!!

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Re: Newcomer; Late Crusader in planning
« Reply #29 on: Sep 27, 2011, 10:08 PM »
hahahahaha my wife just came home and saw her helmet on my desk,   "Wow, cool!  Is my bike helmet going to e a space helmet for me now?"   LOL


I may have to make her a mando slip-on shell to go over her helmet for riding her bike around or something :P

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