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 First build Farghul WIP

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Re: First build alien concepts
« Reply #15 on: Aug 21, 2015, 02:39 AM »
I was talking to my daughter about this today & it renewed her interest in doing a zygerrian mando, but she wants to go the full gamit & add the zygerrian ears under her helmet...what have I started  :-[

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Re: First build alien concepts
« Reply #16 on: Aug 21, 2015, 02:56 AM »
I was talking to my daughter about this today & it renewed her interest in doing a zygerrian mando, but she wants to go the full gamit & add the zygerrian ears under her helmet...what have I started  :-[

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It sounds like she also wants to go big or go home. I can't stand doing things half way myself. Maybe I will start on ears/face mask sooner than I planned so she has something to bounce off of other than furry ear patterns and elf ear casting. I'm hoping to do mine in latex or silicone so they have a real life movement and texture, but we will see what reality throws at me.

Re: First build alien concepts
« Reply #17 on: Aug 21, 2015, 03:36 AM »
Ok, update time. I thought long and hard about the pep helmet I had, and decided to build one just a bit larger. I was afraid that by the time I fiberglassed the inside there wouldn't be room for my head, let alone the tech I want installed. So I put that together today. I really like how much more room it gives me, and I feel like it will look a decent size once I have my kit all put together. What do you think?


I also played with the helmet ears today. Let me tell you, it is a pain to draft a 3d pattern when you can't measure your other 3d surface and just have to eyeball it.

It is hard to tell from these pictures, but I want the outside portion of the ear caved in slightly like the Zygerrian helmets. I don't want the square head like they have, so I plan to mold down from the ear to the dome like this (pardon the horrible paint job, there was just no way I was getting a curve out of paper) What do you guys think of the placement and angle of the ear armor? Also, any suggestions on actually making these come to life? I was considering paper clay or instamorph for the molding and then resin/bondo on the outside and hollowing out the inside and doing resin and fiberglass.

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Re: First build alien concepts
« Reply #18 on: Aug 21, 2015, 03:43 AM »
That looks awesome! Can't wait to see more!

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Re: First build alien concepts
« Reply #19 on: Aug 21, 2015, 07:23 AM »
I would 'glass the main section of the helmet so it is a stable base, minus the sections where you want to attach the ears. Then complete the ears before bondoing the entire thing.
To get the ears smooth I'd probably use the same method I used on my Twi'lek bucket. First I completed the main dome so it was a solid base to work from. I then used a thin card that I cut to the correct curve by taking darts out and attached it to the main dome. This was of course very angular as card just doesn't give a smooth curve. So what I did was turn the bucket over and used duct tape attached on the inside to smooth the card angles. The fibreglass was then applied on the inside and set to the tape shape. Once dry, I peeled off the card and tape.
I've only got one shot of the process and that's from right after removing the card and tape contraption to leave just the 'glass. As the tape leaves it pretty smooth I didn't have to go bondo crazy either so it's quite light which could be a consideration if you're planning on full prosthetics underneath at any point.

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Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
« Reply #20 on: Aug 21, 2015, 04:54 PM »
So awesome!

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Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
« Reply #21 on: Aug 21, 2015, 05:15 PM »
We need more alien Mandos! I've been thinking about starting one myself....  :rolleyes:

I like where you are going with the helmet. Yes I think the first one was too small, and I like the later ear designs very much.
I feel that an alien should advertise the fact clearly that it is an alien, and not a human with alien-like decoration. The new helmet does that well.
Kudos for considering being alien under the helmet as well. I considered this early on, but I decided in the end that it would be impractical for my build.

I haven't seen much of anything about Farghul, but you could take a ton of ideas from the Cathar in SWTOR. A braided top-tail on the helmet comes to mind right away.

I think that the helmet is the primary way of identifying a character as alien, but also that it is the little details in the rest of the build that sells it. For example, as Togruta, I look at all of the pictures I find and try to think of ways to translate their unique clothing styles into armor shape/colors/textures/etc. Also their cultural cues...what are their environments and social activities? What do they value? This informs me on what trophies they might take and how they would display them, what miscellaneous items they might carry...

Good luck to you. I'll be watching this thread for sure.

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Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
« Reply #22 on: Aug 21, 2015, 11:33 PM »
Ooo, I like those ears. Keep up the good work!

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Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
« Reply #23 on: Aug 22, 2015, 06:31 AM »
Thanks for the encouragement all! Today I got 3 coats of resin painted on my bucket, and then I got my first go at fiberglassing and bondoing another project I'm working on right now. I learned I desperately need a sanding tool, so doing Bondo on my bucket will have to wait until I can get to the hardware store. I also made up the templates for the ears by using half of the dome pep and pressing in a portion and measured out where I wanted them.

Then I did the REALLY scary part and cut out the holes so I can fiberglass up the ears from the inside (thank you Kris Jasra for the tip!)  :o

Hopefully I will get the chance to fiberglass later today.
In the mean time next week I will be away from home, so I plan to work up my soft parts and get materials for the rest of the armor.

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Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
« Reply #24 on: Aug 22, 2015, 06:52 AM »
Looking good. Watching this with interest, is always nice to have more aliens.

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Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
« Reply #25 on: Aug 23, 2015, 02:50 AM »
I was able to glass the whole thing before I left, but had to use some pretty unorthodox methods to do so. Nothing was cooperating with me at all this afternoon - tape wouldn't stick, glue wouldn't stick, resin wouldn't stick ..... so I ended up contact cementing the fiberglass cloth to the ear templates and then coating it with resin and another layer of fiberglass. It didn't have a chance to cure before I left, so we will see how it turned out next week, but it was looking decent though a little rough. I have high hopes for it, and bondo should cover up any messy bits.


Pardon the other armor bits, those are for my Samus build that I was working on yesterday

Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
« Reply #26 on: Aug 30, 2015, 03:37 AM »
While I had access to real stores I bought up all the supplies on my list I could find. Got the stuff for my mask, some much needed tools (I love me some power tools) and my favorite bit, while thrifting I found some boots! To remove the branding I am thinking of taking off the back strap, patterning it with new material and replacing it, and for the zipper I am thinking of adding a flap that can be snapped up over the top of it. I am pretty sure buckles are allowed, but if not I can take the whole thing off. Thoughts?




I finally gave up on settling for the material I had on hand and got some more along the lines of the colors I wanted originally. I also found scrap leather at a little hole in the wall in Tucson called SAS. (There is a larger version in Phoenix too)

I started the cut out process for my flight suit and figured out how I want my vest and kama to close up. Now I just have to pull out my sewing machine and get busy.
 
Over the next few days I plan to work up my face cast, get my mask sculpted and cast with latex, and get my soft parts put together while waiting for my rotary tool to arrive in the mail.

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Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
« Reply #27 on: Aug 30, 2015, 03:50 AM »
This is a really nice haul you've got.  Good job, vod!

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Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
« Reply #28 on: Aug 30, 2015, 03:54 AM »
Nice haul!

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Re: First build alien concepts/WIP
« Reply #29 on: Sep 01, 2015, 09:48 PM »
Last night I did a plaster gauze cast of my face and casted a positive from the negative so that I could sculpt today. Here is what I have.I wanted to raise my cheekbones a bit and give my brow more of a structure, along with elongating and flattening out my nose like a cat. I noticed that the male Farghul have more of a muzzle than the females, so I left my lips and chin alone. I think with the slight alterations to the bone structure really help make it look a little more gaunt and streamlined, especially since I have a roundish face shape. I think it is looking good enough that I am going to go ahead and coat my latex on it, and run my tests on the flocking that came in the mail today.

 


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